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Kairyu · Local time: Jul 21, 2007, 06:13 PM

I actually meant a round-robin type thing, but PBR calls it League Style... For anyone that knows what I'm talking about, it's Magma Colosseum.

But Pokemon League rules?

Oh I see.
Besides the DS battles I haven't actually played PBR to know the terms. I thought you were talking about a standard set of rules that were setup for these kind of tournaments.

Funny that you mentioned it I did score myself a Nintendo Wii earlier today but no PBR. I can't think of a good reason to spend 50 dollars on it ._.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Kairyu · Local time: Jul 22, 2007, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by Chaotic

Ugh, if there's anything that bothers me about this game, it's the damn PokeRadar. T_T

I've been trying to see if I could get some decent shiny out of it or something. Some people have gone on these massive chains with them, and I could barely break nine.

THERE ARE SO MANY FUCKING RULES TO POKERADARING. WHAT THE HELL?!

Also, I've seen people going on chains of three and get a shiny with them. T_T

WHY CAN'T IT EVER BE THAT EASY?![/rant]

Not sure how they do it with a pokeradar either.
Like you I've tried it a few times myself and got nothing. I even consistently ran into the same pokemon 15-20 times in a row. Still nothing.

I only follow one rule, just go for the grass that is farthest from you. And of course use lots of super repels.

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Kairyu · 02:05 AM

*bump*

Well I had some time to figure out the tournament layout and I came to this *click here for a bracket layout.*

Nothing fancy since my word/excel skills are rusty but this is a easy way to keep track of results. Ie, we can simply hold each bracket on a schedule (maybe every 3 to 5 days) instead of scrambling to find whoever you need to battle. Any input on this?

Q: Ok so it's round robin, what do we do next?
A: Well the next thing I'd like to know is the team of pokemon you plan to use. Once that's out of the way and If we're all ok with this setup. Then the next thing you need to do is contact the person you're supposed to challenge. Once you finish your match(es) for a bracket, you can report to me via PM/IM and tell me the results or post about it in this thread~ afterall we all like war stories.

From there, I'm still thinking.
There's only nine of us participating so I was thinking each player in a given bracket plays best 2 out of 3. In between each battle you can modify your team order if you want (hopefully that'll make the matches less boring.) I was also considering the idea of "bench warmers" but that might lag things a little too much. Any input there would help!

Or!

Same idea, just nix the "best 2 out of 3" stuff. It'll go much faster but that may seem a bit, I don't know. Less exciting.

As for rules I'll go with the standard I've seen around other sites, which is:

So what do you guys think? Questions? I'm pretty sure the Round Robin page is self-explanatory-- but if you're confused on the system just say so. I'll try to answer as soon as possible.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Kairyu · 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Chaotic

The Level clause. I don't have a single Level 100 Pokemon in my possession. I'm at least saying we should get an average so we can even out what the range of levels could be so we can have a fair competition for everyone.

Other than that, the Round Robin set-up is fine.

Oh neither do I =p
I meant lv.100 as in the preset level. That won't affect EVs or anything, will it? We could free-battle our way through this tournament but I get the feeling the level ranges will be HUGE. Even my current team is extremely varied. lowest being at lv.55 and my strongest one at lv.90.

Originally Posted by Identity Crisis

Whoa, wait, the tournament started already? Ack, I wanted to join. ;_;

Is it possible for me to sign up at this point in time?

I don't think it's too late =).
It'll actually be a good thing. That way everyone will get to battle in every bracket. But if more people join up, like say six more. I may have to switch out the tournament style to single or double elimination.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Kairyu · Local time: Jul 24, 2007, 07:56 PM

I don't think I quite follow you. How would a singles battle get situations like that? If you have any prime examples I'll consider adding the rule.

FELIPE NO

Kairyu · 02:03 AM

Haha wow. I didn't know about the One-hit KO Clause or the Species Clause. Though I don't think that's anything to sweat over. The Evasion Clause doesn't seem necessary in my opinion. Crash just said it for me, if you make a sweeper team it'll be your own fault for not preparing to fight a DT staller. You have Defog, Aerial Ace, Swift, Lock On, Foresight~ and they're all at your disposal.

Besides, this is more like a practice tournament. I'd like to see how our matches fold out. At least this way I will know what to improve on next time. IF this becomes a regular thing.

Originally Posted by Crash Landon

When we list our teams, do we have to list the attached items? I'd like to think that some of those things are supposed to be surprises (like Focus Band) and revealing them beforehand ruins the entire strategy.
I know some tourneys require item listing so that nobody has a team full of Leftovers or Petaya Berries, but I don't mind. They're all valid strategies in my book.

Nope!
You don't need to tell me or anyone what items you're using. Though after reading about this Enigma berry, it's pretty damn potent. So, I'd like it if that item would not be used in this tournament. I'll just edit that into the rules.

edit:

tournament info from the last page:

*bump*

Well I had some time to figure out the tournament layout and I came to this *click here for a bracket layout.*

Nothing fancy since my word/excel skills are rusty but this is a easy way to keep track of results. Ie, we can simply hold each bracket on a schedule (maybe every 3 to 5 days) instead of scrambling to find whoever you need to battle. Any input on this?

Q: Ok so it's round robin, what do we do next?
A: Well the next thing I'd like to know is the team of pokemon you plan to use. Once that's out of the way and If we're all ok with this setup. Then the next thing you need to do is contact the person you're supposed to challenge. Once you finish your match(es) for a bracket, you can report to me via PM/IM and tell me the results or post about it in this thread~ afterall we all like war stories.

From there, I'm still thinking.
There's only nine of us participating so I was thinking each player in a given bracket plays best 2 out of 3. In between each battle you can modify your team order if you want (hopefully that'll make the matches less boring.) I was also considering the idea of "bench warmers" but that might lag things a little too much. Any input there would help!

Or!

Same idea, just nix the "best 2 out of 3" stuff. It'll go much faster but that may seem a bit, I don't know. Less exciting.

As for rules I'll go with the standard I've seen around other sites, which is:

So what do you guys think? Questions? I'm pretty sure the Round Robin page is self-explanatory-- but if you're confused on the system just say so. I'll try to answer as soon as possible.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Kairyu · 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Slash

Okay, these are some rules that I read and have played by

This would be a very cheap thing to do which is why Double Team is pretty much banned

Ninjask
Substitue
Double Team
Baton Pass
Swords Dance

Now you could technically use mean look (not sure how it affects substitue, if you have it prepared but if you have someone use substitue for a long time, ninjasks speed will go through the roof, using double team and swords dance, then use Baton pass to pull in Gyrados and have him Use Hyperbeam or something. Thats why 2X team is banned.

So there's absolutely no counter to this strategy? I thought there are a few moves in the game that can go through substitute. But if there really is no way to break this combo aside from Choice Specs + Ice Shard or a Trick Room Team then maybe I should ban the use of evasion techniques.

Anyone agree or disagree?

Originally Posted by Slash

The OHKO rule is kind of one of those things that if you hit someone with Gillotene or something, it kinda takes any strategy out of the game. pop in 6 pinsirs all with G-tine and have em use it every time, its bound to hit.

Well the odds are extremely stacked against a team of all OHKO'ers if you think about it. So many things could stop them. Protect, abilities that cancel out OHKO moves, and probably Focus Sash to name a few. I don't see how it's a real problem unless everyone decides to use the move with all their pokemon.

Originally Posted by Slaash

And the other rule I've played with is a no Legendary rule (this also includes Zapdos, Articuno, Moltres and Mew2) And no Uber Pokemon rule.

Bleh I'll add them to the listing, the birds that is. Thanks for catching that.

Quote:

I don't exactly understand why wobba wobba got banned..sure his hp is through the roof but so is Happiny and Snorlax

I believe it has more to do with its no escape ability that's coupled with its move set. Wobbuffets seems to only have one purpose and that purpose is to just sit there and absorb/reflect hits.

Originally Posted by Slash

And EV's are affected with the lev 100 push...either that or Tyrannitar is naturally faster than a raichu

Maybe the Tyannitar had a Choice Scarf?

Even with a negative speed nature Raichu it's still faster than a Tyrannitar with a positive speed nature (if EVs aren't considered.)
Buuut it is possible if the Tyrannitar was trained with 252 speed EVs and the Raichu had no EV training in that stat. Of course this can only happen if Raichu had no positive speed nature while Tyrannitar did.

Originally Posted by Slash

And with items, usually there is a rule where you can only have ONE item, no duplicates and then also a no more than 2 baton pass rule as well as a no more than 2 pokemon may be asleep rule

Anyways, there is my view point

Well I'm not going to restrict everyone from using what they want. Use six leftovers if you want, though I can't say that's the best setup for hold items.
I'm sure most of us will stick with a different item on each of their pokemon. I know I will.

Originally Posted by ^-^

What if you put your own to sleep?

You can put your whole team to sleep if you want. The clause is in effect when you make a pokemon on the opposing side sleep.

*updated July 25* Rules:

Anyway, once the rules are ironed out I think I'll close sign ups and begin this tournament by Friday, July 27th.

How ya doing, buddy?

Kairyu · Local time: Jul 25, 2007, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Identity Crisis

If the legendary birds are going to be banned, shouldn't the other legendaries be banned too? I don't know if that was an oversight or not, but I figure I should point that out before somebody brings a team of Regis through a technicality.

Yes it was an oversight. I'm out to lunch so I'm bound to make errors =p.
I'll try to correct that list again when I have time. But for now no legendaries means no legendaries!

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Kairyu · Local time: Jul 25, 2007, 04:13 PM

Alright I'm back, to answer Crash's question about Legendary Pokemon. It usually means the follow things:
- They are one of a kind
- Cannot be bred
- Have very high base stats (usually 580 and up)

Now I don't know if Phione or Rotom can be considered "Legendary" Pokemon. For all I know, they could be pre-evolution forms of a Pokemon in a future game. But their base stats kinda say otherwise.

So I've come up with a new listing of Pokemon we shouldn't use. Rather than saying "No Legendary Pokemon Allowed." Because even that is starting to confuse me with all its exceptions.
How about we not allow any Pokemon with a base stat of 600 and up? That would be:

Arceus
Mewtwo
Lugia
Ho-oh
Rayquaza
Dialga
Palkia
Giratina
Slaking
Kyogre
Groudon
Regigigas
Dragonite
Mew
Tyranitar
Celebi
Salamence
Metagross
Latias
Latios
Jirachi
Deoxys (all forms)
Garchomp
Heatran
Cresselia
Manaphy
Darkrai
Shaymin

Along with the few ubers like:
Wobbuffet
Wynaut

That seems to cover everything plus some of the overused pokemon like Tyrannitar and Salamence.
Eh, I'm still fairly shaky on what to allow and not allow since you can literally make a "cheap" combo out of any bracket. It's hard to find a good middle ground

.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Kairyu · Local time: Jul 25, 2007, 04:44 PM

Haha, I thought not.
I have a Dragonite too and as my only OU pokemon in the team I'll be severely weakened as well. If you want to start counting points.
So, maybe we should simply stick with the "standard" ban list everybody else seems to use?

That standard being...:

Yes that means you can use your Birds, Regis, Manaphy and even Rotom.
I need ideas people

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Kairyu · Local time: Jul 25, 2007, 05:02 PM

But the Birds, Regis and the Dogs are actually not all that strong. It's not like they have a one of a kind move set. Sure they are powerful but if I ban them then why shouldn't I ban pokemon like Metagross, Salamence, Dragonite or Tyranitar?

Manaphy, well I can't say the same since it's basically a Mew that can't learn the same variety of moves. Still with 100 base stats across the board it's not exactly weak either.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Kairyu · Local time: Jul 25, 2007, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by ^-^

Shaymin has 100 across the board too, I believe.

I think the only reason that pokemon is not allowed is because you have to cheat to get it. Otherwise, it is a rather harmless pokemon when compared to the others.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Kairyu · Local time: Jul 25, 2007, 07:40 PM

Well then I guess we finally have an agreement. Standard rules set it is~
Yeah we probably are blowing this out of proportion but it's good to talk about it now before the tournament starts. Leaves less room to complain and more room for actual battling.

We still seem rather split on the whole Evasion Clause issue. Not adding it in may causes some long drawn out battles. But if you guys don't care about that then I'll leave it out.

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Kairyu · Local time: Jul 26, 2007, 12:03 AM

Damn talk about last minute entry xD
Let me just get a recap of who's definitely playing:

Crash Landon
Chaotic
Slash
Identity Crisis
Rua
^-^
Lazyguy*
BigCN401*
Generic Badass*
Elmoogle
Kairyu
* = Haven't heard or seen them around this thread for the past few days. Expect a PM from me~

And also a update of the current rules:

Q: Ok so it's round robin, what do we do next?
A: The first thing I need you to do is PM me your team. Hold items need not apply.
I know, you'll have to trust me. I can promise you that my team is ready to go and I will not be making changes. Once all players have sent me a list of their teams I'll make a new "tournament thread" by Friday, you'll see everyone else's team by then along with a the new bracket listing.
Then the next thing you need to do is contact the person you're supposed to challenge. Once you finish your matches for a bracket, you can report to me via PM/IM and tell me the results or post about it in this thread~ afterall we all like war stories.

Rules *updated July 25*:

Anything I missed?

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Kairyu · Local time: Jul 26, 2007, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Generic Badass

Yeah I got your PM, Kairyu.

I've been furiously training my pokemon, but there's not a chance in hell I'll be done in time for tomorrow. I thought it would've been a few weeks away! It's also been infuriating since my planned Feraligatr can't get Ice Punch and Dragon Dance on it until I get to trading (which isn't available to me right now).

EDIT: Wait a minute. What the hell am I thinking, I couldn't participate even if I wanted to! My wireless has been dead for weeks.

If it's more time you need I think I can postpone the tournament date to sunday =o. I seems like everyone isn't ready anyway! But hey, how many of us is actually using true lv.100 pokemon? I trained a little so I got everyone up to lv.70, a couple are at lv.80 or 90.
In the mean time I can help with fixing your wireless problem. Unless the wireless portion of the ds is broken D:

Originally Posted by BigCN401

If I do participate in the tournament I would only do it for fun and laughs because I'm not really "hardcore" when it comes to training my Pokemon (I only EV train 2 Pokemon and then gave up lol >_>). I haven't battle much people online lately.

Well if you want to practice you can PM me for a 6 on 6. Plus I'm not exactly hardcore either, I barely have anything EV trained since I'm more in it to just have fun.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Kairyu · 07:01 PM

Ok, I've decided to move the tournament date to Sunday. Hopefully this will give everyone sufficient time to prepare their teams (I only got two private messages on team selections so far ;_;.)

Oh and Crash. I do plan on making more tournaments if this one turns out to be a success. I may even consider prizes.
And yes, about once a month is what I'm aiming for!

Originally Posted by identity Crisis

Likewise, I also have a team of Lv. 100's already made, but I'll need to revise the team that I sent you earlier if were doing a Free Battle system, Kairyu. I still need to level up a couple of members on the current team to Lv. 100, and I doubt I'll be able to do so before the tournament starts.

Oh! Sorry for the confusion. The battle is not free-style, I don't have enough information on what level everyone is at to make that kind of decision. So I'm sticking with the lv.100 preset.

Additional Spam:

Originally Posted by Crash Landon

I have a bit of a question, can't quite figure this one out.

Let's say I'm raising a Magnezone. Apparently Mirror Coat is a move it can learn upon its own, but only at level 1. Naturally, you cannot get a Level 1 Magnezone; it's just not gonna happen without major hacking. The trouble is that a level 1 Magnemite will not learn Mirror Coat.

I tried the Heart Scale guy, but since Magnezone never had Mirror Coat in the first place, it couldn't be remembered.

I'm genuinely stumped by this. It seems like there should be a simple answer but I'm not seeing it. Does anyone know how to get these Level 1 moves onto evolved Pokemon?

Hm, you can relearn moves a pokemon never knew in the first place. This is how I got my Dragonite to know Fire Punch (Though it's only available when it is in its final evolution.)
According to serebii's pokedex entry you should be able to go to the heartscale guy to learn the move. Unless that entry is a massive typo.

I'm not trying to insult you or anything but did you look through the entire list of relearnable moves available to magenzone? My only other conclusion is that you need it to learn the move as a magneton in pokemon emerald. I can't say that for sure becuase I didn't check.

Edit:
wait a minute, is the pokemon you're raising a magnezone right now? It needs to be at that evolutionary form in order to learn it. Magneton and Magnemite simply cannot learn Mirror Coat

.

How ya doing, buddy?

Kairyu · 11:41 PM

Just a reminder,
The new tournament date is Sunday, July 29!

So you have until noon Sunday to send me your team roster and movesets.

My messages seem to be getting lost in the shuffle real fast. I should start the tournament thread tomorrow anyway (don't worry I won't post any vital information yet.)

And for those that did submit a team to me you can still tweak them if you want just remember to update me when you do! If I hear nothing from you by Sunday I will assume that is your team and movesets. Changing moves or Pokemon during the tournament will probably get you booted from the tournament, just so you know.

edit:
haha I just realized. It will also help to add your pokemon D/P friend code along with your roster information.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Kairyu · 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by Crash Landon

I still think it's a bit wonky that you get to see teams and movesets ahead of time, Kairyu. Individually, the benefit is limited, but as a conglomerate, you might observe that a lot of people are using Tanks, so you'll know that packing a Hazer will be statistically advantageous.

I should just hand you a list of nine Pokemon. From that list, I'd select my team to use throughout - and they'd all be confirmed legal - and the rest would just be left out.

Ah, but which six is Crash bringing? What's his team strategy? Will he bring the Special Sweeper or the Healer? You don't really know!

I like it better that way, honestly. Keeps it all fair.

Hmm that's why I was toying with the idea of using bench warmers. At least that way you'll always keep everyone guessing

.

I'll go head and modify the rules accordingly (for a while I thought you guys didn't care for that idea since I got no comments about it!)

Rules *updated July 26*:

Originally Posted by Chaotic

But just to be certain, 3v3 or 6v6?

I leave that up to the battlers. I suspect there will be times where one of the players can't stick around for a full 6 on 6 match for whatever reason. So I'm allowing the players to shorten the matches, as long as both players agree.

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Kairyu · 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by ^-^

But... ugh okay.

Hm? Is something wrong?

Originally Posted by RABicle

Why is Lati@s banned? It's not banned in Standard Cup/Battle Tower. Just ban Soul Dew.

I looked at both pokemon and I can see why some would just ban them while others would allow them in tournaments by banning Soul Dew.
It seems like the consensus on this duo is mostly "no, they're too strong." Probably because of the addition of Draco Meteor and their unique type advantage, they're even harder to take down. Even without their Soul Dew. Soooo, unless I should consider otherwise I think I should leave them on the ban list for this tournament.

Originally Posted by Crash Landon

Other than the Enigma Berry, will there be any other item clauses?

I doubt it, unless someone can put up a good argument on why I should ban more items.

Edit:
As promised, I went ahead and made that tournament thread: http://www.gamingforce.org/forums/sh...974#post479974

If you can, be a good sport and look for any horrible typos or things that need to be added.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Kairyu · 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Crash Landon

Might wanna include the part about submitting teams of 9 instead of 6, then choosing which 6 before battle.

But it's mentioned in the rules. It's pretty much a given that we can only use up to 6 of the 9 every battle =o.

Also the tournament thread title could use a better name

.
You're welcome to change it if you can think of something better.

How ya doing, buddy?

Kairyu · Local time: Jul 28, 2007, 12:28 PM

Check the tournament thread dude it's all there: http://www.gamingforce.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=23788

If everyone submits their rosters by tomorrow I'll have the first backet setup by Sunday. You will have at least 3 days to find your target and win

.
Again, check the tourney thread for more details.

FELIPE NO

Kairyu · Local time: Jul 28, 2007, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Metal Sphere

Hopefully someone can help me out here, especially after I saw that advanced moveset discussion a while back. I was thinking about putting one of my favorite pokemon on my team, Kingdra, but I've never actually used it in battle before (mainly because of the whole trading requirement). This isn't for serious battling mind you, just want something that can cream the elite four and get the monsters I like in the hall of fame.

Brine
Dragon Pulse
Ice Beam
Toxic

Anything I should watch out for/glaring holes in this moveset? Ah forgot to mention, I found out these moves for it from this site if you're curious.

Aside from being almost completely vulnerable to steel types it's actually not a bad moveset. I might suggest this moveset (it's also the moveset I'm using on my Kingdra)
People in the tourney might want to write this down

Dragon Pulse
Ice Beam
Surf
Toxic
(Scope Lens to assist its ability Sniper or Leftovers if you intend to last in a match.)

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Kairyu · 07:16 PM

For competitive play I think Swift Swim is ever so slighty better to have. If you play your guessing game right you can sweep with Kingdra by using Waterfall + Raindance and a choice band.
But if you get lucky with his Sniper ability you can take down just about anything in one hit. Just watch out for dragons that are faster than Kingdra.

How ya doing, buddy?

Kairyu · Local time: Jul 29, 2007, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Slash

Kai. you send me a pm but I think I said earlier in the forum that I can't be in it since I'm kind of on vacation

*runs a search* Ooh, so you did D:

I didn't even see that, with your posting in this thread I must've assumed you wanted to participate in the tournament. Ok, I've removed you from the roster.

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Kairyu · Local time: Jul 29, 2007, 10:35 AM

Yeah I have given it some thought on themes like a little cup tournament (lv.20 and under) or a UU tourney. But in order to pull off stuff like that I'll need more participants in the future =o.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.