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This Wednesday scientists will work to recreate the big bang
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Old Sep 9, 2008, 06:41 PM #51 of 106
and blowing things up underground? Who's brilliant idea was that?
Aside from the rest of your inane post, you do realize that "they" have been "blowing shit up" underground for ages now, right?

"They" would not go out on a limb with billions of dollars at risk.

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Old Sep 9, 2008, 07:48 PM Local time: Sep 9, 2008, 06:48 PM #52 of 106
Who's brilliant idea was that?
Some clowns called "Physicists". In addition, you clearly don't have a fuckin' clue what you're talking about.

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Old Sep 9, 2008, 07:57 PM #53 of 106
Well I'm not a scientist, I only know what I read, that's obvious, so you're right, but I don't like to read the ground I stand on might not be there tomorrow.

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old Sep 9, 2008, 08:05 PM Local time: Sep 10, 2008, 02:05 AM #54 of 106
I do look forward to the hundreds of little black holes they are actually going to create. A scientist is going to put his finger in one and be shloooped to the other side of the universe.

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Old Sep 9, 2008, 08:06 PM #55 of 106
I do look forward to the hundreds of little black holes they are actually going to create. A scientist is going to put his finger in one and be shloooped to the other side of the universe.
Yeah, that's gonna happen.

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Old Sep 9, 2008, 08:19 PM Local time: Sep 10, 2008, 02:19 AM #56 of 106
Just for comic effect, of course. Let me have some self-humour here. After all, I might die in 6 hours 10 minutes

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Old Sep 9, 2008, 08:40 PM Local time: Sep 9, 2008, 06:40 PM 2 #57 of 106
Well I'm not a scientist, I only know what I read, that's obvious, so you're right, but I don't like to read the ground I stand on might not be there tomorrow.

No, I don't think it's obvious you know what you read, unless you read scientific journals written by 3 year-olds. I will admit I know fuck all about physics, which is why I haven't posted in this thread. Nobody wants to read a post by someone talking about a subject they clearly know nothing about.

Although I know I am not innocent of sticking my foot in my mouth sometimes, I generally try to live by the following quote, whose origin I know not:

" 'Tis better to be silent and thought of as a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. "

Remember it, sweetheart.

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Old Sep 9, 2008, 08:42 PM Local time: Sep 9, 2008, 06:42 PM #58 of 106
If, for some ridiculous reason, this whole thing does bring about our collective ends... well, I'd like to be the first to say:

SEE YOU ALL IN HELL

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Old Sep 9, 2008, 09:41 PM Local time: Sep 9, 2008, 08:41 PM #59 of 106
f u jess. I like the opposite sex leik god intended so im goin 2 hevin lol ;3

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Old Sep 10, 2008, 02:20 AM Local time: Sep 9, 2008, 11:20 PM #60 of 106
Can't they stop this whole thing? We'll all die because of them!

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Old Sep 10, 2008, 02:32 AM Local time: Sep 9, 2008, 11:32 PM #61 of 106
Actually, I think this test is just firing up the particle beam. They aren't going to start any particle collision tests until October, as far as I know.

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old Sep 10, 2008, 02:39 AM Local time: Sep 10, 2008, 12:39 AM #62 of 106
Can't they stop this whole thing? We'll all die because of them!
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Haven't even started impacting particles you say? It's like saying you plugged in the blender to make a smoothie while the ingredients are all still inside.

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Old Sep 10, 2008, 02:45 AM Local time: Sep 10, 2008, 09:45 AM #63 of 106
Watch this shit live: Sky News Live

You won't see the black holes, but you can look at a room full of excited scientists.

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Old Sep 10, 2008, 03:29 AM Local time: Sep 10, 2008, 01:29 AM #64 of 106


If this guy shows up in a month, be very afraid.

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You won't see the black holes
Well, given their nature of absorbing all light I would think not!

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Old Sep 10, 2008, 07:05 AM Local time: Sep 10, 2008, 01:05 PM #65 of 106
Actually, all the scaremongering about the world ending today is bullshit anyway as even the scientists who opposed the thing said it'd take about four years before anyone noticed anything wrong. German chemist Otto Rossler said "Nothing will change for about four years. Then someone will spot a light-ray coming out of the Indian Ocean. The weather will change, completely wiping out life on Earth". Of course, he's retired and never published a paper in his life but he's the closest thing to a credible opponent of the project.

Quote of the day has to go to Professor Brian Cox who works on the project who according to the Metro said "Anyone who thinks the LHC will destroy the world is a twat".

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Old Sep 10, 2008, 07:46 AM Local time: Sep 10, 2008, 02:46 PM #66 of 106
Of course, he's retired and never published a paper in his life but he's the closest thing to a credible opponent of the project.
I think he has published a shitload of papers and several books. Of course, that doesn't mean he's credible in this issue. The continuation of that quote about the Indian Ocean is something about Armageddon and the Bible, so...

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Old Sep 10, 2008, 08:07 AM #67 of 106
I just finished watching the live feed this morning here. They were just doing test laps and weren't collilding anything. Sure takes it a long time though...... 1hour or something for one lap.

Watched it here: http://webcast.cern.ch/index.html

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Old Sep 10, 2008, 10:05 AM Local time: Sep 10, 2008, 07:05 AM #68 of 106
Can we get a youtube of the LHC rap interrupted by the Japanese "world destruction to funny music" clip?

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Old Sep 10, 2008, 10:29 AM Local time: Sep 10, 2008, 05:29 PM #69 of 106
Can we get a youtube of the LHC rap interrupted by the Japanese "world destruction to funny music" clip?
Got a link to the world destruction clip?

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Old Sep 10, 2008, 12:37 PM #70 of 106
I wonder what it means to "discover other dimensions". I know very little about these theoretics and the definition of what exactly a dimension is escapes me.

I doubt very much that they're talking about finding another level of existence or conciousness but rather a position in space in time.

What eludes me is what "other dimensions" they're hoping to discover.

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Old Sep 10, 2008, 01:10 PM Local time: Sep 10, 2008, 12:10 PM 1 #71 of 106
Actually, all the scaremongering about the world ending today is bullshit anyway as even the scientists who opposed the thing said it'd take about four years before anyone noticed anything wrong. German chemist Otto Rossler said "Nothing will change for about four years. Then someone will spot a light-ray coming out of the Indian Ocean. The weather will change, completely wiping out life on Earth". Of course, he's retired and never published a paper in his life but he's the closest thing to a credible opponent of the project.
Four years huh? Sounds awfully convenient timing-wise, if you ask me.

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Old Sep 10, 2008, 04:16 PM #72 of 106
All I ask of physicists is what I ask of God - if you're going to bring down the end of the world on me, just give me enough time to get a gun to blow my brains out before you super ignite all the oxygen in the world with molten ash.

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Old Sep 10, 2008, 07:37 PM Local time: Sep 10, 2008, 07:37 PM #73 of 106
I can't wait for those hardons to collide.

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Old Sep 10, 2008, 08:33 PM Local time: Sep 11, 2008, 03:33 AM 1 #74 of 106
I wonder what it means to "discover other dimensions". I know very little about these theoretics and the definition of what exactly a dimension is escapes me.

I doubt very much that they're talking about finding another level of existence or conciousness but rather a position in space in time.

What eludes me is what "other dimensions" they're hoping to discover.
Existence of extra dimensions is predicted by the string theory. The string theory is one proposed 'theory of everything'; a theory that would unite the going-ons of the smallest scales (quantum mechanics) with the macroscopic scales (general relativity). It's the Holy Grail of physics today, and without such a theory we can't explain what happens when a lot of matter is packed in a very small space − the singularity of a black hole or the beginning of the big bang (hence the reference in this thread's title, I assume).

String theory says that the smallest building blocks of everything are little 'strings' (around the Planck lenght or 1.6 × 10-35 m) that can vibrate in different ways. Depending on the manner of vibration they can manifest themselves as different elementary particles, like photons (light) or quarks, which combine to form protons, which combine with neutrons to create atoms, which create macroscopic stuff that we know.

Now about dimensions. Here is an illustration, courtesy of professor Richard Wolfson:



In the upper part, you are looking from afar, and you see an ant that appears to be able to travel on a stem in one dimension only. When you move in close enough, you see that there is actually another dimension. That dimension is 'curled up on itself', in a kind of sphere. You couldn't see it before, because you were looking from a great distance.

Now, remember that these strings in the string theory are small as fuck. They operate at Planck length, the smallest physically possible length. What if there are more dimensions curled up there, and we simply aren't close enough to that tiny scale for them to have any effect on us? Of course, we can't really imagine another dimension very well, so to us it's just extremely complex mathematics, but for subatomic particles created by the strings, like the protons that they will be colliding in LHC, it may be a different story. It's also theorised that the hypothetical graviton particle, which supposedly 'carries' gravity, 'leaks' into these curled-up dimensions (since it's small enough to access them), which is why gravity is such a weak force and only becomes considerable when dealing with massive objects like planets.

I know this is not very clear. Since I don't really know what I'm talking about, I can't explain it very well, but hopefully this gives you at least some idea.

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Old Sep 10, 2008, 08:59 PM #75 of 106
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Now about dimensions. Here is an illustration, courtesy of professor Richard Wolfson
Looks like Professor Wolfson read A Wrinkle In Time like the rest of us did in 4th grade.

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