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God, stop being reactionary. No one here is asking for CH to fuck off and never come back. We just want them to learn to use the FTP servers.
There's nowhere I can't reach. John Mayer just asked me, personally, through an assistant, to sing backup on his new CD. |
Is there any way we can have a few people manage the sheet music and make torrents for it or something? $30 a month is a lot less than running a server? Is it really a lot to ask Concerthall people to donate money if they want their sheet music. Like I mentioned earlier, it costs $40 for a Barenreiter Urtext of the Prokofiev Piano Sonatas. Like I bet people download way more music than just a collection of sonata. Deni: People have actually suggested the concerthall move onto its own separate server, and that is a potentially legitimate solution. I really don't think Mersenne is whining. Rather he is considering the pros and cons of that possible course of action. You should be happy concerthall people are actually saying something. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
Last edited by Traumatized Rat; Feb 16, 2008 at 08:23 PM.
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Regardless of that, I think your suggested possible-solution of moving the whole shebang offsite is a good one and it seems like the benefits for GFF altogether will be excellent. Ever since the site passed out of Bobo's hands it seems as though it's been run much more for the community as a whole to keep up with all their friends on GFF - and I don't really see what it is we Concert-Hall-only types actually DO for the community rather than hog file space. As Mersenne pointed out, there ARE negatives, but just for the Concert-Hall-only people and I think we should be prepared to accept those. One thing I would ask about is the legality issue. As it stands, this is GAMINGforce, and obviously plenty of things apart from games get discussed here. It means the Concert Hall is kinda 'hidden' when it comes to people just out looking for sheet music, and given the ever-increasing copyright clampdowns, that's good for us. Setting up a separate site just for sheet music and recordings downloads might be a bit more obvious, but this isn't something I know much about - does anyone have any ideas about this, or is it a non-issue anyway? I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?
Composers shouldn't think too much - it interferes with their plagiarism.
--Howard Dietz-- |
I wasn't suggesting that that someone is asking CH to leave entirely. Neither was I trying to be reactionary. Every idea needs to be weighed up - my putting it out on the table for discussion. If you think that the only solution is to get people to learn FTP servers, that doesn't contribute much to discussing why FTP is better or worse than other options. EDIT: I'm not a technical wizard, but if one of the issues is disk space, could the CH attachments be stored on a separate harddrive owned by a CH member(s) but connected to the main GFF harddrive via WAN or some direct connection? I was speaking idiomatically.
Last edited by Mersenne; Feb 16, 2008 at 08:37 PM.
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What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?
Composers shouldn't think too much - it interferes with their plagiarism.
--Howard Dietz-- |
Maybe I read too much into it. In any case, I'd rather just let this rest now. Regarding the possible solutions, I've said on SB that FTP servers would be the easiest and best solution, definitely preferable to Mediafire etc in my opinion. There's nothing difficult at all about learning to use them. Alternatively, we could continue using attachments, which would get deleted after a while, and use FTPs for long term storage. This way, people who only care about new stuff or requests don't have to log onto an FTP each time, but those who are interested in the "archive" aspect of the thread can still find all the stuff ever posted. FELIPE NO |
Except you haven't gotten kicked in the butt for it. And this is the warning. Making your entire point, you know, without merit.
Most amazing jew boots John Mayer just asked me, personally, through an assistant, to sing backup on his new CD. |
Doesn't Zergrinch have space on his Dreamhost account dedicated for Concert Hall uploads? Dreamhost, for a low price, provides a ridiculous amount of space and transfer which is great for sharing purposes (although you can't run an active forum on there because CPU and memory are limited). In fact I'm using my own account as a VGMdb backup.
Jam it back in, in the dark. |
I really don't mind going the delete attachments in there after 3-6 months method I mentioned in my post. It wouldn't be that hard to do and the unused old attachments wouldn't be taking up space anymore. I don't want to be the bad guy and say you can't share music sheets anymore. I don't mind it at all. The only thing I don't like is all the space it's taking up and it's really my fault for not saying anything before it grew to the size it did.
How ya doing, buddy? |
Miles, what do you think as far as the negative sentiment towards the concerthall from certain prominent members? Do you think there is a larger problem or is it just idle complaining. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
Yeah, pretty much. The mass majority of us were ftp leechers of My Stuff at one point. So in the same vein there are bound to be music sheet leechers or Concert Hall-only folks that will eventually venture out and become a part of the community. Music has always been a big part of GFF and having a section for actual performers is something we really ought to keep.
Having some sort of organized archive ftps and attachments that are flushed every 3 to 6 months would be a very good idea. I wonder if we should give them their own My Stuff subforum for ftps/etc. to keep them from sinking under all the My Stuff threads and confusing all the sheetmusic leech newbs. war r mah sheet muxix ftpeees?!n i no seeee I was speaking idiomatically. |
SheetStuff?
What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
I think the general concensus is that FTPs become the norm in Concerthall. We should probably stop quibbling about possible solutions and start thinking about how to put this plan into action. A lot of us have already agreed that this is the best option for relieving the stress on GFF's server. The 3-6 month flush idea is great too. I've been to forums that have that same policy and it has worked without a hitch. And a reupload thread where you request things that had been deleted would be necessary as well. So hows about we start enacting some of our current decisions? Or are there any objections still?
FELIPE NO
"Give up on Beethoven... You've got Stockhausen now." --- Miles Davis
Interactive Collaborative Concert Hall Radio! |
My opinions are as follows:
That's where I stand on it all. Jam it back in, in the dark. |
I vote that we go the FTP route and remove the attachments from GFF once everything has been set up.
It's easier to upload and download from an FTP than it is from Rapidshare. There's nowhere I can't reach. |
I'm gonna go the purge all attachments over 4 months old route and see if that makes things better (which it should) and then do it regularly every month or two. This will pretty much eliminate the issue of them taking up so much space. You guys can still post requests as attachments. I don't care. Just remember that they won't exist anymore after 4 months.
I give it a week before I fall through with it but if you guys need more time to go back and download the rarer sheet musics let me know. If you'd like a FTP subforum to share a huge bulk of them all at once I can create one for you. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
Have the attachment auto-deleting themselves after a month or two -whatever you think more sensible-.
You will hafta say goodbye to the sheets index, but life is so: "Win some, lose some"..... I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
If we go the route of FTPs or upload sites, it might not be gone forever. And besides, the index might act as a good database once it is "useless". It guarantees that someone in the community will have what you are looking for, which means that if it isn't reuploaded after you request it, someone is a greedy bastard (instead of it plain not being on the internet or available from someone). So all is not lost with the index.
I was speaking idiomatically.
"Give up on Beethoven... You've got Stockhausen now." --- Miles Davis
Interactive Collaborative Concert Hall Radio!
Last edited by Buckwalt; Feb 17, 2008 at 01:04 PM.
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I appreciate the way things are going now. 99% of the sheet music has probably been downloaded by active members anyway, so I figure it shouldn't be a problem to get most of it up on an FTP even after the attachments get deleted. So is there anyone among the CH regulars who could easily set up a private FTP?
What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
I admit to not knowing too much about FTPs (just how to access and leech off them, somewhat). What would it require to set one up, exactly?
FELIPE NO
"Give up on Beethoven... You've got Stockhausen now." --- Miles Davis
Interactive Collaborative Concert Hall Radio! |
I'd be happy to set up an FTP with what little I have, but it would only be up when I'm home and not using my computer.
What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
Unfortunately I'm having trouble with my router disconnecting me at irregular intervals for no apparent reason, so my connection is not the greatest for an FTP atm. Jam it back in, in the dark. |
Well, I have all the necessary things for an FTP. I have a great university line and I have a semi-good line at home (when I'm there). And my computer is continuously on. If no one else would like to volunteer, I'd be willing to do it.
There's nowhere I can't reach.
"Give up on Beethoven... You've got Stockhausen now." --- Miles Davis
Interactive Collaborative Concert Hall Radio! |