Can YOU imagine the Tenth Dimension? Stupid people need not click here

Seriously, how intelligent do you have to be to not only understand what this man is explaining, but to fully comprehend it in every sense?? This is some pretty grand shit.

Unfortunately I have to admit that I started getting lost at around 7, simply because my mind was having difficulty fathoming such massive amounts of theory. Open the menu on the left and click Imagining the Ten Dimensions.
http://www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php

If anything it's worth sitting through the Flash.

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It's a well-made flash, and it reminds me of Donnie Darko. I need to watch the Director's Cut.

edit: what was I thinking? This is 100% bullshit. 10th dimension, lol

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Intriguing stuff. I followed like you up until I got to about 7 or 8. I think what the flash is saying is that, like alternate reality in which you chose a different path and reached a different result, that our universe is one of many possibilities in which not only do people and things react differently, but the fundamentals of time and space may not have the same bearing on each other. It's easy to say, but harder to imagine. A universe in which gravity does not apply, for instance, would make it impossible for life to be sustained in our universe. But in such a universe, the rules of sustenance for organisms may not apply the same. Perhaps beings of energy rule, since they cannot maintain a corporeal form. Perhaps energy does not even transfer as we would expect it to, making atomic particles an unreality in that other, infinite universe.

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Yeah, their explanation of time, the fourth dimension, and how it would travel through the branches of the fifth dimension, that definitely reminded me of Donnie Darko, and actually better helped me comprehend the concepts of that movie.

This is a fascinating animation. I've dedicated a fair portion of my own idle thoughts toward figuring out how time functions within space and how, if there were a way, one could manipulate both forces. This doesn't provide all the answers but it does erect a solid framework from which better questions may be asked.

I understood the concepts of each dimension well, I think. The notion of one point which contains all possibilties and all other points along string theory is nothing new to me. I've just never seen it explained in this manner before; until now, it was mostly an abstract concept that I fiddled with in my own mind.

I've long entertained the idea of folding positions on a point (points on a point, making the larger point, in fact, a spherical construct of many lesser points which comprise the sum of its parts) over so that one could move along previously untravellable paths, or connecting diametric points on a point so that they collapsed upon each other, eventually forming a "donut". A donut still maintains the same unified surface as a sphere, making that form the most stable for quantum movements through space.

The video didn't address that part, but I expect that the principles that allow it lie between the sixth and ninth dimensions and would be better explained in the book.

I may have to get this book.

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It's weird, I kinda understand the whole 10 levels in a way it but I couldn't explain it very well to someone if they asked without looking back at it. If I said "the tenth dimension is everything and every possibility and every concept everywhere in everyting" they'd all be like "?"

It sorta adds clarity to a few life theroies of my own as well. Although the whole fold concept gets a bit confusing, i.e. how the hell does one fold a dimension to another, but I guess that's for the physics guys to do.

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Originally Posted by XSO

The whole fold concept gets a bit confusing, i.e. how the hell does one fold a dimension to another, but I gues that's for physicians to do.

I think you mean physicists.

Of course, this is what a Slashdot article I was reading the other day mentioned; that string theory has caused physics to come more or less to a practical halt as more people devote their theories towards string theory. Without any way to experiment and view the results of their theories, everybody's spinning their wheels, working towards a non-goal.

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I think the question is can humans even correctly perceive 10 dimensions? Watching this demo and it seems after the 4th dimension all that is being done is attempting to explain addition dimensions is trying to apply crude 3 dimension examples. We can't even being to understand dimensions above the ones we live in and can't perceive without using words like "stacked" which is really just applying a 3D concept to all dimension above 3. Or we just break new dimension up into a new 'alternate' universe that really is just a copy of our own 4 dimension universe.

I understand we can perceive the concept of 10 dimensions (which this demo explains) but I really do not believe we have the ability to understand the nature of a dimension above the 4th.


I just wanted to add, if this type of stuff is of interest to you, you might want to check out the 3 hour special Nova ran on string theory. Very interesting stuff:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html

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Originally Posted by Skexis

I think you mean physicists.

Of course, this is what a Slashdot article I was reading the other day mentioned; that string theory has caused physics to come more or less to a practical halt as more people devote their theories towards string theory. Without any way to experiment and view the results of their theories, everybody's spinning their wheels, working towards a non-goal.

Have you watched the show on Discovery Science called "Parallel Dimensions"? They were discussing the 5 theories of String Theory and how they may have solved String Theory by adding an 11th dimension (which turns it into M-Theory).

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Originally Posted by Visavi

Have you watched the show on Discovery Science called "Parallel Dimensions"? They were discussing the 5 theories of String Theory and how they may have solved String Theory by adding an 11th dimension (which turns it into M-Theory).

No they didn't solve string theory. They were just able to remove all of the mathematic anomalies from the string theory equations. That's only a first, very small step to proving string theory.

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Totally awesome. Man that was an interesting animation. I can't wait to watch that again while high. Infinite possibilities contained... geeze. Yeah, i've never seen Donnie Darko, but everybody tells me that it's a must see.

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It was a pretty simple Flash for me to follow, but I'm different. We had some really in-depth theory discussions in my Grav-Mag Course which delve in to String Theory. Also did some research on Electromagnetics which ties into String (lol~). But I've had more than my fill of research... >< It is a great Flash for simplification though.

When you get down to the bottom line on describing tenth dimension, it's really not that horrid. There's just nothing else to imagine beyond that, I'd figure.

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It's actually not all that hard to grasp the 10th dimension. It's simply all possiblities for anything to happen in any way, at any time and in any place. It's all encompasing, it is in essense the truest sense of the word "everything" you can use.

It would be like someone working out all the combinations to a mathematical formulae then solving every other formula; while so noting this in a book. This book would be the singular answer to every mathematical problem you could think of or witness. Where it confuses people, is this book could not exist in our reality, simply because if even we noted only 1+1, 1+2, 1+3 and so on, the book would already be infinitely big since 1+x could be 1+(-infinity) to 1+inifinity); so even if that was the only problem listed, it would still represent one infinity, we would still have every other infinite problem to account for.

Yes it does fly over many people's heads, it's simply because they haven't put much thought into inifinity. No matter how big something gets, it'll never get any closer to infinity (or farther away for that matter); let me rephrase that, unless you put something infinite into a sequence of events, it'll have a finite number of outcomes no matter how complex it is. So for our universe, no matter how many factors are involved, there is only a certian (obscenely high) number of outcomes for every situation bound by the laws of nature. Once how have a grasp of inifinite possiblity, you must also grasp those infinite possiblities happening in an any location of our universe (which may or may not be infinitely large, meaning infinite places). But let's consider place finite (as we will time, if you believe in a beginning and end to our universe), so we can move on to time. Time is easy to grasp, something happens at a certain moment, thus affecting what happens next. Time is (as far as we've proven) linear, it doesn't change what has happened before. But with possible outcomes for any moment in time and places it can happen at that moment makes the possible combinations staggering. And if we factor in the possiblity of time travel and every event imaginable happening everywhere all the time, at the same time IT STILL IS NOT INIFINITE IN POSSIBILITY (got that?).

The 10th dimension is when we factor in our dimension (and all of what it described in the last paragraph) with every other possible dimension. It is quite possible after, and only after all of these alternate realities have been factored in, after everything (as I defined in my first paragraph) is taken into account that we have true infinity and see the 10th dimension.

EDIT: Yes I realize the video described infinity before the 10th dimesion was met, but I'm not going back through the web I just weaved.

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Originally Posted by The site's preamble

The "theory of reality" that I advance on this website and in the book "Imagining the Tenth Dimension" is not the one that is commonly accepted by today's physicists.

Ah well. Although it isn't the theory that most physicists are currently studying, it is still very thought-provoking and I really like it. The website seems to give a simplified explanation of "reality," so I really want to read at least some of this book to get some more details.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Well, that's most likely because any and all physicists go limp if you don't prove something like this with a dozen pages'-worth of proofs.

They really dumb this down to a scale where a physicist could say isn't "technically" correct. I could follow this, but amid all the studying I've done in string & higher dimensions, I don't know *how* the Math ties in to physical depictions like this stuff. That's a huge problem with this stuff. You really get to a point where if you don't specialize in it, you really won't be able to explore, much less understand all the material.

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I'm actually really impressed on how easy it is to grasp, as the show couldn't be longer than about 5 minutes. I can see how it is more complex when you analyze "everything" in all it's full glory, but to give such a crammed lesson in five minutes, it really is impressive.

I have to take this opportunity to shamelessly brag that I used to be William "Bill" Buscombe's tenant. I used to rent the third floor of his victorian house in Evanston IL. He was a really nice guy, and was a phenominal physicist. Rest in peace, Mr. Buscombe. Your lectures will never be forgotten.

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DEEP stuff here, presented in a cute way! I really like how they simplified the concept of dimensions past the third. I think I got it, considering how far out the actual subject matter is.

I got the impression that each dimension is a part of successively higher ones that we cannot truly comprehend, but can at least try to theorize in our terms. I like how infinity becomes inconsequential higher up and how different timelines and possibilities are all absorbed into the elite highest dimensions.

This highly reminds me of a lecture about infinity I once attended for fun (yes, for fun) in which one of the most memorable parts was shown in which:
"we may see four dots on this paper, but in a higher dimension, those four dots could be the feet of a cow", which was quite humorous and logical at the same time, cutting to a cheesy 3D pic of a cow in a thunderstorm.

The guy in the flash sounded like he was surpressing himself from laughing at several points I couldn't fathom the "superstrings" mentioned at the end, that was just overkill.

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Presented this way, I have no problem understanding what he's talking about; I'm very good at visualizing this kind of stuff in my mind. Normally, I'm a total word thinker, but I seem to have a knack for picture thinking when it comes to physics...

However, there is no way I could ever understand the math behind it. *Dunce*

Also, I don't agree with the whole infinite possibilities thing. As a determinist, I believe that there is only one possibility, and it was decided the moment the universe came into existence. But that's for a different thread.

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I watched it a second time with my bro, and we found the flaw of explaining the travel of light (a dimension between the fourth and fifth) that Einstein theorized.

If you want to get in to string theory, that is a 26 dimension ball game that I rather stay out of. I'm really afraid I'll look like an idiot if I talk about it, because I know I'm going to miss a few details.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
I can't wait to read this book, now.

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Originally Posted by Skexis

I think you mean physicists.

That's why I edited it to "physics guys" in the last second because I couldn't remember which one it was and couldn't be bothered to look it up on Google. >______________>

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Don't laugh at me, but in my eyes, visualizing the 10th dimension is simple:

Let q be a 10-tuple such that q = (x1,x2,x3,x4,x5,x6,x7,x8,x9,x10).

Depending on what number system each xi is in, then q can be an element in the reals, rationals, integers, or natural numbers(or doesnt neccessarily have to be exclusive). If there exists a natural number j such 1<=j<=10 and xj = a+bh, where h is an imaginary number, then q is in the complex domain. Simply put, anything that is 10 dimensional is just a vector in the set of all elements in the form of q.

In 1 dimension space, we view these elements as a line.
In 2 dimension space, we can view them on a coordinate axis
In 3 dimension space, we can view then in space as volumes, etc.

There is no geometry for anything greater than four, but the principle is the same. In other words, I don't think physicists can give you a geometric representation of a 4 dimensional string theory function, hehe.

Sorry I just see things from the perspective of a mathematician.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Strangely I was actually lost trying to follow this up until the dimensions 7-10. (It's always like that with me; I get baffled on the easy stuff and make sense of the difficult stuff.)

What I don't actually understand is how something can be "in" a dimension. As a "3 dimensional creature" I don't quite understand how, theoretically, a conscious being of any kind could perceive these higher dimensions by observing the immediate surroundings using light and sound. Furthermore I didn't understand how a creature could NOT perceive 3 dimensions; even if you flatten 3-dimensional space visually, I'd imagine you'd still understand the 3rd dimension there. Isn't this obvious in say, an animation?

It seems like all of the other dimensions are just conceptual explanations, and while I understand them I don't see their actual practicality. I mean, sure, the fourth dimension being time makes sense, but how the hell does anything perceive the past/present/future in space, realistically?

Are other scientific concepts reliant on an understanding of these dimensions? I feel that there is an unseen simplification to all of this.

My original understanding of dimensions beyond the third came after I saw Cube 2: Hypercube. Admittedly a bad movie; it introduced the concept of a tesseract, or four-dimensional cube. I looked up the concept and saw a 4-dimensional cube get drawn. It's basically just drawing another a cube perpendicular to another cube and connecting the points; which in hindsight is what the flash animation tried to explain - the previous dimension merely becomes points for the next dimension. Drawing the tesseract was simplistic, but seeing it in motion was much more mind-boggling; because it wasn't until then that I could really see how it was more than just two cubes with their vertices connected.

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Oh god this isn't something I should've watched just before going to sleep. Now I'll be up all night thinking about shit I cant possibly comprehend. So there are millions of me's existing in the 5th and 6th dimensions but I won't ever meet them because I'm stuck in the 4th, or 3rd, dimension. Awwww.

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Originally Posted by RABicle

Oh god this isn't something I should've watched just before going to sleep. Now I'll be up all night thinking about shit I cant possibly comprehend. So there are millions of me's existing in the 5th and 6th dimensions but I won't ever meet them because I'm stuck in the 4th, or 3rd, dimension. Awwww.

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Originally Posted by Gechmir

When you get down to the bottom line on describing tenth dimension, it's really not that horrid. There's just nothing else to imagine beyond that, I'd figure.

But when you get down to it, maybe it doesn't stop there? Most people find it hard enough to wrap their minds around the concept of a 6th or 7th dimension, let alone a 10th. Maybe we just don't have the capacity to imagine anything beyond that? We say that the 10th dimension is pretty much the 'be-all and end-all', in that there's nothing left to imagine.

...Maybe there is, and we're just too 'simple' to realize it.

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