Opera 9 Beta

Originally Posted by Duminas

Oh well? In retrospect, none of those engine add links ever worked for me. Nor did themes, and I had to manually install them. Don't mention the site security thing, since that's too confusing.

Great job failing at the internet, then. Those links have always worked for me, and so have themes and extentions.

And which "site security thing" are you talking about?

This one:


or this one:


or perhaps some other one.

Regardless, I bet the problem would be solved by reading.

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And yet you tout Firefox for ease of use? Firefox is a pain to use for me, and most I've tried to show it to because it whores memory, and has NO features worth note over IE (save Tabs) out of the box that people care about. Also, if you told Firefox to automatically act on Torrents with a certain program, then changed your preference, you'd have just as much trouble changing it, since it's in the configuration.

I like how you tell Eleo some of his things are nothing but "personal preferences," and then you go right on into your own.

Because that's what that pretty much is, those are all personal preferences.

And I don't get why people keep on saying that Firefox hogs memory. Granted, it does, I won't try to get out of that, but I don't know where people pull out numbers beyond 100 MB. My normal usage is anywhere from 50-70MB, and I can deal with that. I understand where a lot of it being used, but I know a lot of people don't understand this.

Firefox's RAM usage (minus all memory leaks,) comes from two things: 1) the quick back/forward browsing (which they've tried to fix,) and 2) how Firefox handles tabs. I can't stress this enough to people, Firefox stores it's tabs into your RAM, which will obviously force it to run higher in RAM usage, especially with a larger amount of tabs. This is opposed to Opera, which stores it's tabs in a cache on the hard drive, and just keeps reference to the tabs.

So it's a tradeoff, do you want a lower RAM usage with higher hard drive reads, or higher RAM usage. Some would argue the RAM swapping would be faster, but I've yet to notice any difference.

Then again, a lot of people who complain about Firefox using a lot of RAM have never tried or heard of the trim-on-minimize trick (hint: it works).

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If this is your version of internal, I'd love to hear how you came to think that. It's external--an extension, same as other things; same as the blocker I use (which is, factually, just a local proxy with the adzapper script installed).

By internal, he means more that it's a "part of the browser." Sure, you have to extend on the browser, but if it only affects the browser, and is only there when the browser is, isn't it pretty much the same as "internal"?

I find Opera's adblocking to be behind when compared to Adblock, though. A lot of ads are placed in an IFrame, and if you block the IFrame, you will kill many more ads than having block individual images. Adblock can block IFrames, Opera can only block images, from what I've tried to do.

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Regardless, whatever browser works for you works. I just don't understand how you hate Opera for being hard to use and crap, when it's not at all, and has a bunch of neat things integrated which Firefox lacks.

Opera has never "rubbed" right with me, for some reason. It's not that I hate it, it's that I don't like how "different" the UI is, and to get it how I'd like it to be is more than I'm willing to do just to browse the internet. In fact, I'm pretty much convnced I can't ever find out exactly what I don't like about the UI and make Opera work the way I'd like to.

I used to say I missed the extensions, but in moving to a "leaner" Firefox, I've found that I only install two extentions (Adblock+ and Filterset.G updater.) So that has become less of a priority to me.

(current Firefox RAM usage at the end of this post: 54,852 K, three tabs, with content)

Jam it back in, in the dark.