Fragdoll Thread

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To those unfamiliar with Fragdolls, they are a group of girl gamers working with Ubisoft to promote female gaming. This year there is an election process going on at Gametrailers.com to pick a new fragdoll.

I think its an interesting idea. I personally would like to see more girl gamers.

What do other people think of this idea?

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Coming from a community like 1UP where most gamer girls just exploit their femininity, I've grown a tendency to not support these kind of gender-exclusive groups.

It sounds selfish, but I'm not a big fan of them or any other "Girl Power" group around. Guy, girl, fish, whatever, please just play the game and shut up.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

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I personally would like to see more girl gamers.

Then you do not want to see more "Frag Dolls".

The Frag Dolls, as you pointed out, are a marketing gimmick.

"GURLZ DAT PLAY GAMES LOL"

If they were really a "Gaming Clan" as they just love to advertise, you would see them on the CPL or MLG circuits. Not at UbiSoft PR events and the like. They're actually doing more harm than good in the process.

All female gaming groups are cool, but the majority of them fall into the "WE'RE GIRLS AND WE PLAY GAMES LOL WE KICK UR ASS BOYZ!!1 ACCEPT US!" groups where it becomes less about acceptance and more about exclusion by means of their own actions.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Faux girl gamers with shitty art to boot? COUNT ME IN

(seriously, I don't care at all, and I think it's kinda dumb)

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

i wonder what a girl's take would be on this.

personally, the girl gamers ive met have not been the crazy "feminist" "girl power" types. unfortunately, despite that ubisoft might say however, i do end us seeing these girls morea as booth babes than gamer girls.

i was also wondering, what would you guys propose as a suitable means to promote female gaming?

I was speaking idiomatically.

I wonder how Devo's application went...

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Hydelloon

i was also wondering, what would you guys propose as a suitable means to promote female gaming?

There's no need to. The margin between male and female gamers is smaller than it's ever been. There are plenty of women out there playing video games and this has never been a secret.

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I miss the early days, when every blog entry or whatever on their site was about UbiSoft.

"Today I played UBISOFT's Tom Clancy's Rainbow Splinter Ghost Terrorist Party, developed by UBISOFT, it was so cool! I played against some guys and totally won. I also read somewhere that UBISOFT is making a sequel, it'll be EVEN BETTER, because it's developed by UBISOFT. After I played UBISOFT's new game, I went and got some lunch, it was an UBISOFT burger. It was so coo-UBISOFT UBISOFT UBISOFT UBISOFT"

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

god, i love you infernal monkey, you silly silly son of a blueberry

How ya doing, buddy?

Why is gaming the only activity where attractive girls are maligned for their looks? Female actors, singers and even tennis players can get by on looks alone, talent not required. This it not the case with gaming it seems, even when the girls are good.

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Originally Posted by Devo

They go to Tourneys and events because that's what they're paid to do. Have you noticed they don't partake in the gaming? They are more an observation and cheerleading team at events like this. They encourage the girls and observe the atmosphere.

I'm curious about this, encourage them on what exactly?
"No one really even cares if you play or not since it really only comes down to good looks and even then you're better as a prop"?

I mean, I understand the ideal behind it and all, but the enactment just doesn't sound like it's sending a very positive message about gaming itself.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Devo - just out of curiousily, what is the application process for fragdolls like? i guess its not really applicable to me, but im still curious.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

I thought this thread would have something to do with Fraggles from FraggleRock.

I am sorely disappointed, sirs ;_;

Oh. Girl Gamers are (in my opinion) just for PR. And to sell some magazines...

"In this Magazine, Lindy says what she thinks of Halo!"
"omgirlgamers fap fap"

Yes. Some of them do start chanting "fap" =( It'd be refreshing to see the industry more half-and-half. Hell, I remember a few years ago, if you could type well and used the internet, you were quite the nerd. Nowadays it's the norm. But the internet is moreso of a necessity than gaming.

I was speaking idiomatically.

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Have you noticed they don't partake in the gaming?

Every Friday, Microsoft begs to differ.

Originally Posted by Me

the majority of them fall into the "WE'RE GIRLS AND WE PLAY GAMES LOL WE KICK UR ASS BOYZ!!1 ACCEPT US!" groups where it becomes less about acceptance and more about exclusion by means of their own actions.

Originally Posted by You

Girl gamers wouldn't be much of a PR move if our demographic was accepted and recognized.

You are the problem. You, for some reason or another, fail to recognize that you are, in fact, accepted.

In fact, you're not even a minority. So calm down.

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The female gamer, especially a competitive one, is constantly bombarded with negative images and stereotypes. If more groups like Fragdolls were in existence-

Wow. Stop right there please.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ubisoft...oll-170939.php

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alkaline - I understand where you are going with your argument but you are being 1) much too offensive and 2) far too close minded. I dont care if you are associated with 1up or IGN or Nintendo, you should respect other people's opinion and be a lot more tactful.

On one hand I have Devo telling me about her experiences and thoughts while all the males responding to this thread are bringing her down. You are feeding into Devo's argument. And personally alkaline, I dont think one internet article is a suitable defense for the rise of female gaming.

I initially started this thread as a means of discussing the given topic, not to turn it into a sexist and belligerent name-calling.

FELIPE NO

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far too close minded

You really couldn't be farther off from the truth.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by alkaline

You really couldn't be farther off from the truth.

Wow, you've convinced me.

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Also, I like how alkaline thinks his opinion is more valid than Devo's because he read an article about it on the internet and Devo only has life experience to validate her point.

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Hey, if Devo wants to help set back the Womens rights movement a couple of more decades, then she can be my guest. I won't stand in your way anymore

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How is it exactly that Devo is setting back the women's rights movement? By asking for fair treatment? Oh right, that's logical in the mind of someone with a questionable grasp of logic.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Meh, I have to agree with the sentiment that for the time being marketing girl gamers seems to be more of a marketing gimmick. Until we get used to seeing a girl playing games (until it becomes a norm) it will remain a gimmick.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE WANT, GIRLS TO REPRESENT 75% OF GAMERS OR SOMETHING? SHIT SON.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Devo

That's why everyday on live I get called "dyke, cunt, fat, ugly, bitch" or I'm told to "get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich." Right I'm SO accepted. Lovely words.

And that's just in our GFF sessions...

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Apparently this thread has revealed the true colors of the male gaming population at GFF. Its a sad sight to see

Its strange to see guys who still cling onto female discrimination, a vestige of a long line of petty male dominance that has no proper place in society and is constantly being equilibriated. You dont have to be a feminist or an egalitarian to understand the times or changes.

You also don't have to be a rude chauvinist male to get your point across. If your argument consists solely of denigrating the opposition and using internet articles and sources, then you are using poor means and insufficient evidence.

Alkaline, while you make think it is clever to pick on Devo, you are revealing a bad side of yourself. Devo is only defending her argument and she is certainy not taking the Women's rights Movement backwards. That is a silly clain that you do not back with any evidence.

FELIPE NO

Alkaline's argument regarding the womens right movement is that the fragdolls got where they are because of their looks and that this is wrong. The point of the womens rights campaign was that the fat ugly dyke would get a go.

If UbiSoft were serious about sponsering a group of skilled female gamers, then it would include the ugly as well as the hot. Instead UbiSoft chose to sponser a group of female gamers who we want to fuck. The girls themselves arn't to blame, they're doing themselves proud as Devo is pointing out but that doesn't change the fact that they are a marketing ploy from UbiSoft.

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Plus they're shallow and snobish cunts.

Jam it back in, in the dark.