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FFVII case...weirdness?
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Old Apr 28, 2006, 03:10 AM Local time: Apr 28, 2006, 01:10 AM #1 of 23
FFVII case...weirdness?

So I bought FFVII again on Ebay because I somehow lost my copy. I get it today and it reads "Square-Enix" on the case and CD's. Don't think I said anything but "WTF?"

Doesn't make sense. I thought they didn't merge until 2001.

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Old Apr 28, 2006, 03:23 AM Local time: Apr 28, 2006, 04:23 PM #2 of 23
Maybe your copy is one of this possibility:
1) Fake (High possiblity now a days)
2) They re-release it on a platinum edition

How much did you pay for it?

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Old Apr 28, 2006, 03:23 AM Local time: Apr 28, 2006, 01:23 AM #3 of 23
Reprints mostly likely. There are STILL people today who are just starting to play the game, the recent release of AC will probably increase sales.

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Old Apr 28, 2006, 03:36 AM Local time: Apr 28, 2006, 01:36 AM #4 of 23
I won it in a bid for $15. It's a greatest hits so I guess I can imagine they are still reprinting. What sucks is I lost my copy of Final Fantasy VI, and I am NOT paying 50 dollars for that game again. Guess FF7 exploded cause of the movie that was released. (Which I want to see) And when you make an acronym of AC, you say armored core, right? Can't tell you how much I loved that game.

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Old Apr 28, 2006, 03:56 AM Local time: Apr 28, 2006, 02:56 AM #5 of 23
...ha

AC means both of those to me.

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Old Apr 28, 2006, 09:35 AM Local time: Apr 28, 2006, 09:35 AM #6 of 23
It's definitely a reprint and re-release.

Madden 2005 officially ended the PSone's new releases, but I guess S-E can't stop milking the teat. Besides, I can't imagine how easy it is to reprint PSone games nowadays anyway, so it's not like it would cost them very much in time or money.

Maybe if people keep buying it, it'll help them see that FF7 needs a remake.

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Old Apr 28, 2006, 02:25 PM #7 of 23
Originally Posted by SouthJag
Maybe if people keep buying it, it'll help them see that FF7 needs a remake.
What are you talking about?! The game was release not even a decade ago. The last thing the world needs is a remake of a game that the only thing it had going for it was the soundtrack!.

Heck, if they remake VII they might aswell remake Final Fantasy XII why they're at it.

And SE re-issued ALOT of their PS1 games with their new name on them(Both my GH copys of Xenogears and Anthology both have it).

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Old Apr 28, 2006, 03:27 PM Local time: Apr 28, 2006, 01:27 PM #8 of 23
Honestly I hope Square-Enix reprints a bunch of their games. I lost a lot of my PS1 games due to moving to Washington. Limited space. The only reason why I can see FF7 being remade is because of the response from the movie and everyones joygasm over Sephiroth. (Which I still don't understand. I'm glad that oversized nodachi son of a bish is only in one game)

There are plenty of PS1 games I wish I could get my hands on, but I was smart enough to forever cling to my Suikoden 2. Still amazes me how expensive it is..

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Old Apr 28, 2006, 03:31 PM #9 of 23
Several of Square's games have reprints with the SquareEnix logo on it. Not only Final Fantasy VII, but Im pretty sure I've seen the same for VIII and IX. I know Xenosaga has a Squeenix version out there as well. Rule of thumb for me is not to buy Greatest Hits games if youre a collector, that way you know its not some lousy reprint game. But of course, there is the Rhapsody/Persona 2 incident recently, where two of the rarest PS1 rpgs were rereleased and now run rampant on ebay. I mean, wtf Atlus, those two sold for 70 bucks a piece in auction and now you can get both for 40 together!? Im glad I didn't have to break the bank to finally buy two really great games, but so much for collection rarity, their common as hell now.

Boo on reprints!

Sorry, GEARS, not saga.

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Old Apr 28, 2006, 04:25 PM Local time: Apr 28, 2006, 02:25 PM #10 of 23
Dude, why would Atlus care about people on Ebay making money when THEY can make money. They don't make shit from used game sales on eBay.

And honestly, it's a GOOD THING when games get reprinted. I shouldn't have to pay $80 for a used copy of Rez, when it costed $50 when it first came out. Fuck that shit, I like being able to get a new copy of a game.

Why the fuck do you have to be so selfish? Don't you think it's a good thing that more people are getting the games you love so much, so there can be more fans and more interest in sequels and shit?

Why should we get screwed and be unable to buy games just because you want to have collector's value. Dammit man, you want to have an investment, buy STOCKS or something, not VIDEO GAMES.

EDIT: Oh yeah, why did you buy the reprints of Rhapsody and Persona 2 if you have a problem with it? The best way to protest something it to NOT SUPPORT IT with your money. Buying those reprints merely shows Atlus that it's profitable to reprint games and they'll reprint MORE.

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Old Apr 28, 2006, 04:26 PM Local time: Apr 28, 2006, 02:26 PM #11 of 23
Originally Posted by Simon Belmont
Seceral of Square's games have reprints with the SquareEnix logo on it. Not only Final Fantasy VII, but Im pretty sure I've seen the same for VIII and IX. I know Xenosaga has a Squeenix version out there as well. Rule of thumb for me is not to buy Greatest Hits games if youre a collector, that way you know its not some lousy reprint game. But of course, there is the Rhapsody/Persona 2 incident recently, where two of the rarest PS1 rpgs were rereleased and now run rampant on ebay. I mean, wtf Atlus, those two sold for 70 bucks a piece in auction and now you can get both for 40 together!? Im glad I didn't have to break the bank to finally buy two really great games, but so much for collection rarity, their common as hell now.

Boo on reprints!
And deprive us cheap bastards the ability to get new PS1 Square Enix games for $20? If you really want collector's items just hoard boxed copied of FFVI and Chrono Trigger, that'll get you some money.

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Old Apr 28, 2006, 04:30 PM #12 of 23
Originally Posted by Simon Belmont
I know Xenosaga has a Squeenix version out there as well.
SE as nothing to do with Xenosaga >.> it's namco that did it, however they did make Xenogears and yes i have a copy of Xenogears with the Square-enix logo on it.

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Old Apr 28, 2006, 05:57 PM #13 of 23
EDIT: Sorry, I was talking about XENOGEARS. I was reading the IGN article on XS:3 as I wrote the post so I guess I was kind of confused.

And, stocks are boring, while games are fun. But that is totally besides the point, my argument stems from the fact that I personally take enjoyment out of bargain hunting, trying to find rare games for my collection, because its very much like collecting anything. I don't collect games for the money, or else I would have sold nearly all of my collection long ago. I will never sell them.

And whats this complaining about not being able to play these games unless they were reprinted? Maybe I have a lucky Gamestop and EB around me but even before these games came out with the SquareEnix reprints, FF7 and 8 and 9 and even 'Gears could be found used complete for 15 or 20 bucks anyway! And unless you were planing on NOT opening the game, its the exact same thing as a new one because if you just ask the sales person, you can choose the cleanest, not scratched-"est" CDs. They're just sitting on the shelves collecting dust. So, I don't think thats a good enough argument for reprints.

Now, I bought the games because I was one of the firt people to notice that this ONE guy on ebay was selling both games New, Sealed for 50 dollars each. I bought them thinking that I had made a great deal, and then it so happens that a few other ebay sellers popped up with the same thing. Arousing my suspicion, and having already recieved my copies, I contacted Atlus to make sure my games weren't a very well made bootleg. The Atlus rep told me that an undisclosed amount of the two games were reprinted. Apparently that was a big amount, because even now, almost a year later there are still a bunch of them online, and even in stores.

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By the way , I forget to bring it all back around. Its not being selfish really. See, if they decided to reprint a game like Greatest Hits style, where there is an obvious difference between an original version and the reprint, then I couldn't careless and am actually all for reprints that way. But the problem with the Atlus reprint is that it is completely indistinguishable from the original. It is even dated on the case with the original date, and no new copyright date for 2005, etc. So, it ruins its collectors worth. While a greatest hits version of a game has a different price on the collector's market, it makes it worth finding or buying a game when it first comes out to have an original. What Atlus did, while sure it is a great thing, is like having a #1 Superman comic reprinted with no difference in the new print and the orignal. Then, flooding the market with them, the price will drop significantly. Of course, Im not in it for the money but that is the best way to judge something's rarity.

Nobody here probably agrees with me but whatever. If you collect ANYTHING you must understand where I am coming from. So, I guess not "Boo on reprints" really, but "Boo on "indistinguishable from an orignal" reprints"

I was speaking idiomatically.

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Old Apr 28, 2006, 07:25 PM Local time: Apr 28, 2006, 05:25 PM #14 of 23
The problem is when you get down to it there really aren't that many great PS2 games coming out anymore. Sure there are a few, but once you finish them that could be it. Depends on how much you really like it.

When you get someone in a situation like mine, it becomes hard & frustrating to get a game without spending $50+ just to play it again. I've lost a handful of PS1 games. Entire Breathe of Fire series, Xenogears, Vagrant Story, Megaman X's & Legends, Legend of Dragoon, Persona 1 & 2, Castlevania SOTN...the list only goes on. I want to play these games again except I don't want to pay more than I would for a regular PS2. I don't care if it says "Greatest hits" on the side either. It's in your collection except there is ugly green on it. That's not bad. The fact still remains that it spins in your PS2/PS1/PC/Laptop. We all have our own opinion, and I'm for one glad they have reprints. I'm having fun on FF8 again, don't know why but it just is.

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Old Apr 28, 2006, 09:36 PM Local time: Apr 28, 2006, 07:36 PM #15 of 23
Originally Posted by Simon Belmont
And whats this complaining about not being able to play these games unless they were reprinted? Maybe I have a lucky Gamestop and EB around me but even before these games came out with the SquareEnix reprints, FF7 and 8 and 9 and even 'Gears could be found used complete for 15 or 20 bucks anyway! And unless you were planing on NOT opening the game, its the exact same thing as a new one because if you just ask the sales person, you can choose the cleanest, not scratched-"est" CDs. They're just sitting on the shelves collecting dust. So, I don't think thats a good enough argument for reprints.
Except they are still used.

There are some people, such as myself, that don't buy used games for various reasons, the major ones being product quality (I must have things immaculate), and support of the game companies. Buying used games hurts game companies just as much as downloading them, so it defeats the purpose of buying them in the first place.

I mean, I'd personally like to own a copy of Suikoden 2 and Valkyrie Profile, but I'm not about to spend $100+ to eBay users who keep 99% of that profit, and give none to the game developers. I might as well pirate the games, since they don't make money anyway.

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Old Apr 28, 2006, 10:15 PM Local time: Apr 29, 2006, 04:15 AM #16 of 23
Originally Posted by Sarmoti
What are you talking about?! The game was release not even a decade ago. The last thing the world needs is a remake of a game that the only thing it had going for it was the soundtrack!
A lot of people seem to think that FFVII would benefit from a remake. I really can't agree, personally. I do like FFVII, to some extent, but I question the quality that a remake would be. While there is absolutely no doubt that the technical aspects of the game could have been improved on a more powerful console, there's no real need for that. The game looks and plays quite well enough.

The only aspect that I would like to see recieve any improvements is the story, and going on Square Enix's recent output, they clearly lack the capacity to actually make any changes an improvement in that department.

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Old Apr 29, 2006, 12:57 AM #17 of 23
Well like I said earlier Jason, I wouldn't mind if SquareEnix reprinted VP or Konami reprinted Suikoden. But, I think there should be some indicator, like the SquareEnix logo, or even something as little as an updated copyright date, like second, or third edtions of books that might say (C) SquareEnix 1999, 2006. That way, it is distinguishable from a printed years ago, and for those of us who are really anal about somethings in their collection, they can note that difference. Why do you think first editions of a book are more collectable? Its the same thing.

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Old Apr 29, 2006, 01:53 AM Local time: Apr 28, 2006, 11:53 PM #18 of 23
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Valkyrie Profile, but I'm not about to spend $100
Yeah I pretty much bit the bullet and got VP at such a stupidly exhorbant price. Oh well, I swear that'll be the first and last game I'll play that's in the triple digits. It doesn't really profit anyone except obviously the second hand seller, but hey, either VP or no VP, and I like to keep originals of games I love. Actually, my PS2 is still "virgin", so basically all my games so far are retail. It makes me have that warm feeling inside. ^_^ (okay whatever).

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Old Apr 29, 2006, 01:53 AM Local time: Apr 29, 2006, 12:53 AM #19 of 23
I can see the point you're making, but you're doing it more from a collector's perspective. From a gamer's perspective though, wouldn't you rather have as many people as possible play one of your favorite games so that they have a chance to enjoy it as much as you do, regardless of how much it ruins the value of the game? That's how I feel about it, anyway.

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Old Apr 29, 2006, 01:57 AM Local time: Apr 28, 2006, 11:57 PM #20 of 23
Originally Posted by reflectiVe
Doesn't make sense. I thought they didn't merge until 2001.
There's no way they merged 5 years ago. Was it really that long ago? I thought it was more like 2003 or something.

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Old Apr 29, 2006, 02:00 AM Local time: Apr 29, 2006, 01:00 AM #21 of 23
Originally Posted by Spike
I thought it was more like 2003 or something.
It was. Wiki told me so.

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Old Apr 29, 2006, 02:55 AM #22 of 23
well for most people when they want a game it's because they want to play it, so basicly they want it in good condition and I try my best to buy only new game. Most people don't want the game just because they can say that they have it, they want to enjoy it and they clearly don't want to pay thousand of dollars for only one game,(especially is it's for a used one >.>) so I think reprint are good but I still understand the collecter side...

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

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Old Apr 29, 2006, 02:59 AM Local time: Apr 29, 2006, 12:59 AM #23 of 23
So Spirits Within, the movie, was not made until 2001. I frankly remember the movie was released on the Squaresoft name. So I guess it was in 2003. Seems like a long time ago though, I know what you mean.

Frankly I don't care about buying used games. Why? Don't feel like paying fullprice, or it's simply impossible to find in EBgames or something.

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