[General Discussion] Is Sonic losing his speed?

I've played Sonic games since the day I read the comics and watch the animated series in 1994. But lately, the games & the hedgehog himself have taken a turn for the worst in my opinion.

In beginning of the last year both SEGA & Nintendo were working together to make the 2008 Olympics game "Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games" which was good, but it wasn't all about the speed blue dude. After that, they recently came out with the first ever RPG version of Sonic called "Sonic Chronicles" and what made this game go "WTH", it was the fact that they turned Eggman into an ally, not the main villain. Once the DS game came out, so did "Sonic UNLeashed", now I hated the fact that SEGA had turned the hedgehog into what he's now being called as a "Werehog". I mean they really did it with another bad gimmick like with Sonic 06. Now what I like about the game was the day time levels that were almost good enough to say that it was just the thing to keep the speedy blue hedgehog going & going. But was really disappointed with the gameplay for the night time levels which it was like playing "Shadow the Hedgehog" with the Werehog looking like a cheep version of "Crash Bandicoot", and the attacks like "God of War". Almost none of this stuff was not original, and that should have never been introduced.

Even since the "Sonic Adventures" era, I stop playing the games until when they made a game all about the "Bad-Boy" version of Sonic "Shadow the Hedgehog" which wasn't has good as "Adventure", but the storylines were incredible. On the part of which side should Shadow be, Good or Bad, you made his fates by playing the game in a certain way to know what the outcome was going be. With now, the Black Knight out has made the facts clear that SEGA no longer wants to care about their original mascot any more. I mean they care more about "Condemned", "House of the Dead", and some others that aren't about Sonic at all. What do you guys think?

For me, I'll enjoy with watch all the sonic shows I haven't seen all the way, including the comics as well. Also playing the Adventure games too.



I've found some interesting articles & videos about this topic and they are

• (Article) The Great Sonic Continuity Debate by "Milo Amberlight"
  (Forum Topic) Sonic the Hedgehog Bible by "Nemesis"
  (Video Documentary) GameTap's Retrospective: Sonic the Hedgehog by "GameTap Inc."
  (Video Debate) GAME OVERTHINKER v21 presents, SONIC IN CRISIS: PART I by "moviebob"
  (Video Debate) GAME OVERTHINKER v22 presents, SONIC IN CRISIS: PART II by "moviebob"

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I, personally, wasn't disappointed with Sonic and the Black Knight. It was a fun, speedy game, especially later on, after the storyline was finished. Getting Five-star ranks on every mission kept me playing. Sonic Unleashed's Day-time levels were great fun for me, although, for the earlier levels, I felt I was just watching Sonic, and not actually contolling him. And the Night levels, although not as bad as what some people thought they were, were actually quite enjoyable for me, but still worse than the Day-time levels. I never played Sonic 06, so I can't comment on that, but I heard I wasn't missing out on much there. Sonic Adventure was really fun, excluding Big's levels. I hated those. Sonic Adventure 2 was really good as well. One thing I can say about Sonic games, is that they always seem to have great music. Shadow the Hedgehog's soundtrack was a little disappointing, but some of the songs were good. I actually found some enjoyment in Shadow the Hedgehog. Still, my favourite Sonic game was Sonic 3 and Sonic and Knuckles combined. Oh, the memories...

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As soon as Sonic games started trying to have Final Fantasy style story lines is when the series went down the crapper I think. Just takes itself so damn seriously now ignoring everything that made it good in the first place (gameplay and otherwise)

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Sonic 06 was trying to be epic like DragonBall Z or Final Fantasy, but it sucked. All though, did bring in "Silver" who was almost cool and the "well-done" CGI movies to make up for the game's creditability. If you haven't read the article about more problems with Sonic, you should, it is completely sound.

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I think Yahtzee best summed it up when he said that he thinks they really just have a board with ideas on it and throw darts to decide what their next Sonic game will be.

Eggman as an ally shouldn't be too much of a surprise. They're trying to steal Nintendo's ideas, look at some of the Mario RPGs where Bowser is an ally. I think this is partially because after the villain is around so long, he starts to grow abit of a fanbase of his own alongside the main character.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I had no idea that they were being "Copycats" to idea that was from Nintendo, and that right there proves some of my points. SEGA doesn't want to be original, anymore.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

The Sonic franchise is getting a bit worn out like an old glove. As long as it is getting revenue, I am sure they are going to keep abusing the franchise. However, I wish they would just dump the franchise to work on more ambitious, creative projects (i.e. Valkyria Chronicles).

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Originally Posted by valiant

I wish they would just dump the franchise to work on more ambitious, creative projects (i.e. Valkyria Chronicles).

No company interested in making money would ever do that. Valkyria Chronicles is a game that has helped to show folks that a relatively unimpressive Sega in recent years can still make interesting games. However, if anything, Sega would rather turn Chronicles into a parallel franchise, milk it for all its worth, and 5-10 years down the road, people will be saying how great the Valkyria games used to be. Most of the major game companies these days want to establish a roster of stable franchise properties like EA or SquEnix, because the monetary risk of development without an established fan-base is just too large.

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Originally Posted by Araes

No company interested in making money would ever do that.

Sega hasn't been interested in making money for eight hundred and fourty seven years. Luckily for them, they're damn good at it and have been successful in their attempts to hemorrhage cash like it's going out of style for just as long.

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Originally Posted by SKYFALL

Sega hasn't been interested in making money for eight hundred and fourty seven years.

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- The Holy Roman Empire conquers and sacks Milan.
- SEGA announces that they have given up all attempts toward profit, and will henceforth focus on losing money.

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Originally Posted by Sonic-Dude

But lately, the games & the hedgehog himself have taken a turn for the worst in my opinion.

Define lately. Sonic Heroes came out in 2003, and giving the Adventure games a bit of leeway because R.I.P. DREAMCAST, SH was arguably the point where things hit rock bottom and never got better ever again.

I haven't been arsed to play any of the games aside from uh, Sonic Rush, but that's a DS title and was somewhere better than all the console attempts they've done thus far.

Shadow the Hedgehog? Trash. 06? Trash. Unleashed? Trash. Secret Rings? Who the fuck plays Wii games. Black Knight? Not even going to bother.

I'm sure that Miles however, will be more than thrilled to tell us all about why he keeps playing these fucking games.

EDIT: Oh and I think I have Sonic Battle somewhere. I believe that came out the same year as Heroes and was pretty decent fare.

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I was speaking idiomatically.

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Man Acer where the fuck do you find that shit.

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Here a sample of the one article that pretty much explains all questions on the continuing problems with Sonic

The Great Sonic Debate:

Research Article: The Great Sonic Continuity Debate
3/09 - Written by Milo Amberlight

Sonic Team LogoAh, the continuity debate. Which version of Sonic is the real one? It's one of the most controversial and misunderstood subjects in the Sonic the Hedgehog fan base, yet also one of the most fascinating and fundamental to its existence. Whenever a question arises regarding the legitimacy, officiality, or canonicity of a particular piece of Sonic media (game, TV show, or comic), it invariably results in tension, gnashing of teeth, and—of course—the proverbial flame war. It is a veritable mine field of a topic, at times simply avoided or banned from discussion altogether.

Why? For one, human beings are sentimental creatures. On one side we have the fans who grew up with the Sonic of the early 90s, many of whom recall fondly the days of the "Freedom Fighters," "planet Mobius," "Dr. Robotnik," "Chili dogs," and clever catchphrases like "way past cool." On the other side, we have a newer generation of fans, more familiar with "Dr. Eggman," "Shadow the Hedgehog," "Station Square," "Blaze the Cat," and "Chaos Control." Of course, I am simplifying a bit for the sake of brevity. There are many different persuasions of Sonic fans, and not all fans fit neatly into these two categories. You may be a self-proclaimed games purist, or perhaps even a universal fan who enjoys just about anything with the name "Sonic" on it. That said, the idea is the same: we tend to reject what we don't know and cling to what we do.

Motivation aside, some fans take the disparities between different depictions of the Sonic universe to mean that certain games, publications, or cartoons should not be counted as part of the Sonic "canon" (list of genuine or accepted material). An example of this is the common use of the term "SegaSonic"* to delineate products viewed to be part of the "one true/official continuity," from "unofficial" material created outside of Sega or Sonic Team. In reality, this is an over simplification—a somewhat narrow-minded one—that ignores the vast majority of Sonic media, past and present.

So how did the Sonic franchise get to be such a seemingly inconsistent and contradictory mess of characters, locations, and stories? To really understand the nature of this debate, it's necessary to delve into a bit of history. Let's start with Sega itself.

See the rest right here

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Tails

Man Acer where the fuck do you find that shit.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Sonic-Dude

Here a sample of the one article that pretty much explains all questions on the continuing problems with Sonic

The Great Sonic Debate:

Research Article: The Great Sonic Continuity Debate
3/09 - Written by Milo Amberlight

Sonic Team LogoAh, the continuity debate. Which version of Sonic is the real one? It's one of the most controversial and misunderstood subjects in the Sonic the Hedgehog fan base, yet also one of the most fascinating and fundamental to its existence. Whenever a question arises regarding the legitimacy, officiality, or canonicity of a particular piece of Sonic media (game, TV show, or comic), it invariably results in tension, gnashing of teeth, and—of course—the proverbial flame war. It is a veritable mine field of a topic, at times simply avoided or banned from discussion altogether.

Why? For one, human beings are sentimental creatures. On one side we have the fans who grew up with the Sonic of the early 90s, many of whom recall fondly the days of the "Freedom Fighters," "planet Mobius," "Dr. Robotnik," "Chili dogs," and clever catchphrases like "way past cool." On the other side, we have a newer generation of fans, more familiar with "Dr. Eggman," "Shadow the Hedgehog," "Station Square," "Blaze the Cat," and "Chaos Control." Of course, I am simplifying a bit for the sake of brevity. There are many different persuasions of Sonic fans, and not all fans fit neatly into these two categories. You may be a self-proclaimed games purist, or perhaps even a universal fan who enjoys just about anything with the name "Sonic" on it. That said, the idea is the same: we tend to reject what we don't know and cling to what we do.

Motivation aside, some fans take the disparities between different depictions of the Sonic universe to mean that certain games, publications, or cartoons should not be counted as part of the Sonic "canon" (list of genuine or accepted material). An example of this is the common use of the term "SegaSonic"* to delineate products viewed to be part of the "one true/official continuity," from "unofficial" material created outside of Sega or Sonic Team. In reality, this is an over simplification—a somewhat narrow-minded one—that ignores the vast majority of Sonic media, past and present.

So how did the Sonic franchise get to be such a seemingly inconsistent and contradictory mess of characters, locations, and stories? To really understand the nature of this debate, it's necessary to delve into a bit of history. Let's start with Sega itself.

See the rest right here

Yeah I agree the main problem with Sonic is its complicated and confusing storyline

Hardcore gamers like myself require better storylines in Sonic games but they cannot be so complicated I mean it's too convoluted for gamers like me

Sega needs to recognise the hardcore gamers and hurry up and make a Sonic game that focuses on the story and answers all the questions about Shadow we are desperate to have resolved

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Ever since the Retro day's of Sonic, the stories have been contently changing. But I'm surprised that the comic has always adjust the changes of Sonic & Friends stories from the games or by thought.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

You know, if you're interested in the Sonic comics, one of our members works on them all the time. I'm sure if you sent him a PM he'd love to discuss any ideas you might have. You know, for story ideas and things like that.

Here is his profile

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Originally Posted by Axelrod :punch: Axelrod

You know, if you're interested in the Sonic comics, one of our members works on them all the time. I'm sure if you sent him a PM he'd love to discuss any ideas you might have. You know, for story ideas and things like that.

Here is his profile

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AND I WILL ANNIHILATE YOU.

I was speaking idiomatically.

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What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Axelrod :punch: Axelrod

You know, if you're interested in the Sonic comics, one of our members works on them all the time. I'm sure if you sent him a PM he'd love to discuss any ideas you might have. You know, for story ideas and things like that.

Here is his profile

Yes, I'm definitely interested in the comics so I'll give him PM later this week. Just soon if I think of something good I would like to add the comic book series. Thanks for the "heads-up" on this topic.

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Originally Posted by Sonic-Dude

Yes, I'm definitely interested in the comics so I'll give him PM later this week. Just soon if I think of something good I would like to add the comic book series. Thanks for the "heads-up" on this topic.

Oh god. OK, seriously, no. Panic mode: Not tryin' to be rude to you Sonic-Dude but I gotta squash that now. Please don't do that. Seriously. I can't read that stuff. None of us on staff ever want to be accused of taking somebody's fan ideas and doing self-inserts or whatever so if you send me a PM with that stuff in it, I won't read it. Ever. I will delete it. Just sayin, hi? Cool. Random question? Cool. Wanna find a link to a messageboard that actively talks about the comic? Cool. Fan-submitted ideas? NOOOOOOOOONONONONONONONONONONONONO.

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LOL! OMG I HATE YOU SO MUCH AND I SWEAR THAT WHEN I GET HOME FROM SCHOOL AND BACK IN IRC I AM GOING TO KILL YOU YOU ARE SO FREAKING DEAD >8(

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O,no, dude. All I was going to say is "I can't Believe that this comic book series has lasted an decade after the first 3 games were released, I've been lacking in the stories so I'm going back to the beginning and read my way to the current state of the comics. PS: Have you guys there at Archie comics made a record for you long running comic book series? Your comics can "in way" beat the games anytime. Congrats."

Jam it back in, in the dark.