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Well, isn't this retarded.
Idiots boycott the word "retard" used in a "disparaging way" in new Ben Stiller film, Tropical Thunder.
What do you think about these people? What do you think about the word "retard?" Is it "hate speech," or just people wearing their panties too tightly? Personally, I want to kick these assholes in the head. Sure, no one really likes a shitty Ben Stiller movie. But boycotting the word "retard?" Calling for the movie to be banned? Claiming the word "retard" is hate speech? Fuck these guys. Jam it back in, in the dark. |
I try to avoid using the word in the 'popular' way because that's not what it means. It has always been a faulty usage, regardless of how popular it is. This at least is using it in the original intended way, although there might have been better and less offensive terms the filmmakers could have chosen. Regardless of that I think this is a big old fuss over nothing. I also don't go along with the increasingly common usage of "gay" to mean "bad or deserving of ridicule", but I can't say either of them actually bother me that much... I certainly wouldn't let the usage of either of those words in a derrogatory sense to stop me from going to see a movie, much less call for it to be banned.
Although I appreciate there are limits to freedom of expression, this shouldn't be one of them. Some entertainment is tasteless and offensive. I may or may not choose to partake of it, but I support the right to make it. Most amazing jew boots ![]()
Last edited by Soluzar; Aug 12, 2008 at 05:53 PM.
Reason: Clarification. It's important.
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'Cause sticks and stones and all that jazz. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
While I'm all about people being allowed to use their full range and color of expression, putting ANY type of "bad words" or stereotyping in a mass media item like a film is going to end up calling criticism upon its self.
And in this day and age, they knew this would attract attention. FREE PUBLICITY, in fact. Because, lets face it, who doesn't think of "Ben Stiller" and "retard" in the same line of thought. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? ![]() |
I was speaking idiomatically. ![]() |
Doesn't surprise me. After all, there are people who think The Avalanches are a racist band because....
Well... Just see for yourself:
tl;dr version: Niggas got way to much time on their hands. What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
One important thing to consider is the context too. From what I've read and seen, the use of 'retard' in this film is to do with discussions about actors who portray mentally ill characters as a means of Oscar-baiting. It's taking the piss out of Hollywood and by all purely mocking actors and not those who are mentally ill.
It's all just political correctness gone stupid and it's ridiculous. It's especially ridiculous in any country that claims to allow freedom of speech. Edit: Ence I was about to prop your post for Avalanches goodness, but that video is fucking stupid and I can't in good conscience prop that. Most amazing jew boots |
The line is delivered by Robert Downey Junior in blackface. And they're taking it seriously.
THAT'S retarded. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? ![]() John Mayer just asked me, personally, through an assistant, to sing backup on his new CD. |
Who's gonna listen to a bunch of retards anyway?
Jam it back in, in the dark. ![]() |
From IMDB: "We feel that the use of the word 'retard' throughout the film 15 or more times is done without any regard for the dignity of people with intellectual disabilities."
Theres two problems here First off, they're only insulted by the number of times retard is said. It's *quantified*, which means that they're not offended by the use of retard if its under the number of 15. Secondly - "intellectual disability"? We call that FUCKING STUPID where I come from. GFF is FULL of people with "intellectual disabilities" but none of them take offense to that. Why? Because people who have "intellectual disabilites" aren't "intellectual" enough to know when they should be insulted. I suppose a rape victim is a VAGINAL INSERTION DISABILITY? There's nowhere I can't reach. ![]() |
This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. ![]() |
I also recognise the logic behind limiting freedom to shout 'fire' in a crowded theater, or threatening to kill (for example) the American president. It is of course arguable that these represent consequences for freedom of speech rather than limitations upon it. I also recognise that freedom of artistic impression is necessarily limited by laws such as the prohibition on producing sexually explicit imagery of minors. It's a matter of protection in that case. I can't say that I support unfettered freedom of expression, because if I say that someone is bound to bring up such an example, and they would have a sound argument to make. I don't think there should be limits to safeguard people's feelings enshrined in law though. I don't believe that the types of film we can make should be limited by who it might offend. We have laws against discrimination, but it's not discriminatory to use a nasty word. It's sometimes inappropriate, but it's not a matter for the law. Additional Spam:
I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? ![]()
Last edited by Soluzar; Aug 12, 2008 at 05:48 PM.
Reason: This member got a little too post happy.
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I was speaking idiomatically. |
That's how a lot of censorship occurs when it comes to language. It's not really the word itself but more or less how many times it is said. I guess the more times it is said, the more offensive it becomes. Imagine if Tropic Thunder had used retard 16 times! The horror! Out of sheer curiosity, how many of the mentally disabled who were at the protest were actually aware of what was going on? What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
FELIPE NO ![]() John Mayer just asked me, personally, through an assistant, to sing backup on his new CD. |
What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? ![]() |
Jam it back in, in the dark. ![]() John Mayer just asked me, personally, through an assistant, to sing backup on his new CD. |
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Perhaps they should use the term 'minimally exceptional'.
I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?
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Sounds like the usual extremist censors with allergies to even slightly insulting words, which, outside of their tiny world, is actually commonly used. ><
I was speaking idiomatically. ![]() |
What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
You just have to pay attention. Not everyone is good at that! FELIPE NO ![]() |
What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? ![]() |
Or plagiarize from George Carlin.
Jam it back in, in the dark. |