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Old Aug 24, 2007, 12:16 PM Local time: Aug 24, 2007, 10:16 AM #1 of 28
How important is burial?

So... I've had this awesome dog for eleven years, and he started having terrible seizures last week. My siblings and I have spent every last penny we've got on vet visits, bloodwork and medications just to find out they can't save him. He's gotten to be quite wretched, and they say it will only get worse, so we've decided to have him euthanised.

The vet would charge us $120 to have him euthanised there, and they'd give us the body back to bury him. The rescue society would charge us $50, but wouldn't release the body because the chemicals they use are so toxic. We're going to have to borrow the money anyway.

Thing is, I really want to bury him here on our land. It's another $70 that we don't have, but I have to have that sense that his remains weren't thrown away. Usually I give sentimental people a hard time... but this is just... weird. And its even weirder to be trying to decide with the dog still alive and looking at me. This all just sucks.

How important is burial to you? Or are there other rituals or customs that it just feels wrong to not carry out?

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Old Aug 24, 2007, 02:03 PM Local time: Aug 24, 2007, 03:33 PM #2 of 28
Burial is not really that important to me. Even though a lot of relatives that have passed on have been buried. The way I look at it, is that frankly you can't bury everybody that dies, because eventually your going to run out of land to bury people as far fetched as that sounds.

As an environmentalist I choose to be cremated, and my fiance wants to be cremated as well. Its just we won't have to take up any land when we eventually pass on, we choose to get our animals creamted as well when they eventually die.

Besides I don't need a grave to remind me of my friends and family that have passed on. As long as I have memores of them or something to remind of them than I'm perfectly happy.

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Old Aug 24, 2007, 04:15 PM Local time: Aug 24, 2007, 02:15 PM #3 of 28
As an environmentalist you shouldn't choose to be cremated because it takes a lot of energy to heat an area up high enough to get you to burn into nothing.

A much more environmentally friendly method would be to chop you up, stick you into brown paper bags from the grocery store (hopefully made with a large amount of post-consumer content) and chuck you into the ground so you could decompose properly.

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Old Aug 24, 2007, 05:26 PM Local time: Aug 24, 2007, 03:26 PM #4 of 28
If I could, I'd love to be thrown in a forest and have my body decomposed and eaten by scavangers. Barring that, cremation. Burial is not at all important too me and quite frankly for humans, utterly ridiculous when it cost so much.

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Old Aug 24, 2007, 05:52 PM Local time: Aug 24, 2007, 05:52 PM #5 of 28
Bring some tissues. Take it from me, it isn't easy to watch your dog die.

If I could, I'd love to be thrown in a forest and have my body decomposed and eaten by scavangers.
Me too actually. Alternatively, I'd love if I were thrown into the ocean for plankton to feed off of. It seems selfish to only let worms feast...

I don't see the big idea in burying someone. Caskets are expensive and superficial. Once the mind ceases to operate, the body loses its meaning.

Alternatively, donating organs to people and/or science seems to have its merits.

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old Aug 24, 2007, 06:14 PM Local time: Aug 24, 2007, 04:14 PM #6 of 28
Don't waste your money. When it dies..did a hole, and bury it. Vet services for dead animals is a cash grab if there ever was one. If your yard is tiny, then toss him in the river, or bury him in the mountains. People can't seem to find enough things to waste their money on.

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Old Aug 24, 2007, 08:30 PM Local time: Aug 24, 2007, 10:00 PM #7 of 28
I don't want to be buried.

What would be cool would be cremated and have my ashes made into a gem, my first name is 'Crystal' so it would be cool to be one after I go. I could become a family heirloom! Here sweety, here is your grandma on a necklace.

Guess that shows how important burial is to me.

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Old Aug 25, 2007, 12:03 AM Local time: Aug 25, 2007, 12:03 AM #8 of 28
I dislike the notion of burial. The last thing I want is to have my dead, decrepit, disgusting old body preserved only to be dug up by robbers. Cremation seems like the most logical thing to do without having to go through a "let's just dump the body to decompose" ordeal. It might be better to cremate the pet, but that process seems expensive too.

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Old Aug 25, 2007, 02:15 AM Local time: Aug 25, 2007, 02:15 AM #9 of 28
here is your grandma on a necklace.
LMFAO. Its probably good you weren't named after a popsicle.

It might be better to cremate the pet, but that process seems expensive too.
There are alternatives. Though something about this seems wildly fantastical to me...

http://www.petpreservations.com/faq.html

http://www.anglerstaxidermy.com/pics/poodle_case.jpg

I'm sorry, but this is almost too weird. I'd constantly be aware that those eyes were looking at me, likely with disdain having been put to sleep on my watch.

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Old Aug 25, 2007, 06:36 AM #10 of 28
If you own your own land, and you want to lay your dead there, I think it's fine. It ties you more closely to a place you can call your home. It gives you a sense of history, and imparts a certain significance to the land.

I don't think burial is as nearly important when it's in a community lot with a bunch of other people who have absolutely no relation to one another. People are right, after death, bodies are just bodies, and dumping bodies where all the other bodies are dumped seems kind of shallow.

If you can say, though, that your family members were born, grew up, and were laid to rest on this land, it gives you a stronger sense of where your home is.

On the other hand, a diadem composed of 7 generations of relatives would be pretty awesome too.

What I don't get are the people that say they want their bodies chopped up and fed to wildlife, because it's just a body when you're dead. By that same token, when you die, you won't care what happens to you, so why not do something with your body that actually helps the people who are still alive, ie. the ones that actually matter.

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Old Aug 25, 2007, 06:45 AM Local time: Aug 25, 2007, 06:45 AM #11 of 28
What I don't get are the people that say they want their bodies chopped up and fed to wildlife, because it's just a body when you're dead. By that same token, when you die, you won't care what happens to you, so why not do something with your body that actually helps the people who are still alive, ie. the ones that actually matter.
If I have my way, I will likely die of old age. In that case, organs will likely be a bit faded and unsuitable for secondhand use.

I think the power of knowing that I will be feeding living things in a forest with my remains brings me a sense of peace in the present. It is the final choice a person makes. It seems fitting to me that a being of the earth should return to it...to feed small animals who will survive and flourish because of it. Its a symbol of rebirth, sprouting from death.

In that, its hard for me to look at death as a dead end.

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Old Aug 27, 2007, 09:40 AM Local time: Aug 27, 2007, 07:40 AM #12 of 28
If you own your own land, and you want to lay your dead there, I think it's fine. It ties you more closely to a place you can call your home. It gives you a sense of history, and imparts a certain significance to the land ... If you can say, though, that your family members were born, grew up, and were laid to rest on this land, it gives you a stronger sense of where your home is.
Yeah. We have a few acres and, quite frankly, by the time anyone else decides to develop it the dog will be long gone. In the meantime it is reassuring to have family buried here, and that includes the pets.

We decided to pay the extra money for the vet to do it so we could bury him. I'm glad we did. This is going to sound a bit macabre, but digging the grave was cathartic. It was kinda finalizing, like, it's really over now.

On the other hand, a diadem composed of 7 generations of relatives would be pretty awesome too.
That would be so cool... and creepy. Especially knowing that you'd one day join them.

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Old Aug 28, 2007, 02:05 AM Local time: Aug 28, 2007, 01:05 AM #13 of 28
Since it keeps getting brought up, www.lifegem.com . Terribly expensive, though. Must have caught on, because I'm pretty they've raised their prices considerably since I last looked. It's too bad, because I'd love to have that done with me.

What I'd really love in a less-than-serious way is to have my body given to a taxidermist. Stuff me, stick me in the closet, and trot out Crazy Uncle Monkey King every Halloween. No seriously, I love the thought of making my descendants the coolest kids on the block every October. Stuffed dead body for a Halloween decoration. How can that not be awesome? Assuming it's treated so that it doesn't smell, of course.

Obviously I'm not too hung up on what's done with me after I die. Once I'm dead, I am no longer using my body, so as far as I'm concerned the living should put it to some sort of practical use. At the very least, plant a tree directly over my grave so I fertilize something other than weeds. Or donate me to forensic researchers, and so on.

Funerals are for the living, so people shouldn't get too hung up on the body. Unless your soul is inside it, it really shouldn't matter what happens to it.

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Old Aug 28, 2007, 02:32 AM Local time: Aug 28, 2007, 12:32 AM #14 of 28
What would be cool would be cremated and have my ashes made into a gem, my first name is 'Crystal' so it would be cool to be one after I go. I could become a family heirloom! Here sweety, here is your grandma on a necklace.
As far as I know this costs about a million and a half... I think it's a sweet idea, but definitely not for me; wearing jewels made out of dead people seem creepy to me.

However, as my parents are generally mostly Buddhist I'm pretty happy with being cremated to become ash. Seems the most natural to me. Return to the earth in the closest form to it. Either that be drifted away in the Pacific Ocean so I can ride the waves back and forth between Japan and America, since I feel both are my home countries.

Having a place / hole in the ground to lie to rest in peace doesn't seem to sit right with me, especially if that particular spot I was to be buried barred no special meaning to me during my lifespan. I would feel like I'm bound to that burial ground. As my heart's always been partially with my family in Japan and rooted here in America, burning my body so that the ashes could be distributed amongst where I spiritually feel at home seems to be more important to me.

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Old Aug 30, 2007, 02:47 AM Local time: Aug 30, 2007, 01:47 AM #15 of 28
my family has gone through a lot of pets...and we've buried them all (not including fish...), mostly because we have the space, and we get really sentimental and connected to our pets.

as for me, when i die...i guess its up to my loved ones. It'd be awesome to just be cremated, and put into a necklace (we did that with my uncle), so then it can be like "i has mah mommy in mah necklace ;~;" kind of thing.
I dunno.
burial i really only want to do if i'm going to be buried next to my significant other...

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Old Sep 3, 2007, 10:58 PM #16 of 28
I definitely wouldn't want to be buried into the ground. I would like to get my head neurally cryofrozen, then donate the rest to science and/or those in need of my body parts. I would have the rest of my body cremated. I haven't decided what I would do with the ashes. I suppose it doesn't matter.

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Old Sep 10, 2007, 03:42 AM Local time: Sep 10, 2007, 01:42 AM #17 of 28
I absolutely do not care what happens to me when I die. I care so little that I can't comprehend why everyone here is so set on the issue. I'm DEAD. Put me in a casket, burn me, rape me, whatever, I'm not THERE anymore.

But thinking on the idea... I decided that as long as there is a little memorial, that's cool. Gravestones are really quite pretty.

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Old Sep 12, 2007, 06:19 PM #18 of 28
I hate funerals. I hate how people you don't know are invited, how everyone acts so PHONY and they don't even know you half the time, and I really hate when the body is left open for the wake. Burials depress me (I guess they are supposed to), and I don't like them at all. I would rather just die, and be cremated (because I hate bugs with a passion and I don't want to be eaten, even when I'm dead).

As far as rituals go, as long as someone remembered me on the day I died, then that would probably be enough. But, I don't know. As time goes on, people tend to forget.

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Old Sep 15, 2007, 02:48 AM Local time: Sep 14, 2007, 11:48 PM #19 of 28
I want to be dressed in a Darth Vader costume and burned on a funeral pyre a la Return of the Jedi.

Not sure about the legality of all that though.

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Old Sep 15, 2007, 04:38 PM Local time: Sep 15, 2007, 10:38 PM #20 of 28
I'm really sorry about your dog Hydra

As for myself, I'll be donating any organs that still have use, and then going for the cheapest form of body disposal it is possible to find; any money saved for a funeral will be spent on a massive party for anyone who cares to attend.

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Old Sep 16, 2007, 09:00 PM Local time: Sep 16, 2007, 07:00 PM #21 of 28
Depending on how sensitive you are, you could have just had your uncle (or whoever you know that owns a gun) shoot the poor dog. That wouldn't have cost a dime.

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old Sep 17, 2007, 09:09 AM Local time: Sep 17, 2007, 02:09 PM #22 of 28
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Old Sep 25, 2007, 05:29 PM #23 of 28
At the very least, plant a tree directly over my grave so I fertilize something other than weeds.
This is what I want done to my corpse. Buried three feet into the ground and have a tree planted over my abdomen. It would be epic.

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Old Oct 6, 2007, 06:34 AM Local time: Oct 6, 2007, 03:34 AM #24 of 28
With just myself in mind, I don't really like the idea of a funeral or burial. Seems like a huge waste of money to me. If you're spiritual then you believe that I've simply left my body behind as I've no more use for it. It's just an empty shell I used to inhabit, nothing more. If you're not spiritual then I'd be even more surprised that you'd be interested in a religious service such as burial. In either case it just seems like a waste, I'd rather be remembered as I was when alive, not laying in some box waiting to be lowered into the ground as a bacteria buffet... Although in thinking about it more I guess that the funeral isn't for my sake at all; it's for the closure of the people I leave behind when I die rather than myself, so I'd let someone know I preferred cremation and leave the final decision up to them.

As far as my own loved ones I'm of the same opinion as stated earlier; funerals and burials are wastes of money. I'd rather celebrate the lives of the people I cherish where they lived, not go to some cemetery and reflect upon the fact that they're not around anymore.

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Old Oct 7, 2007, 12:54 AM #25 of 28
That's terrible about your dog. =( I've only recently begun to get pets and I never really understood why people get all sappy over them, but I understand now. I'm not sure if I'd want to bury my pet, but I wouldn't want to just have one of them put down and never get the body back. As for myself, I've never liked funerals and I think they are a big waste of money. If you want to remember and honor someone you loved, you will. I'd much rather be cremated.

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