Any anti-FMA fans here?

O.K. Does anybody else agree with me that Full Metal Alchemist is the most over-rated anime ever to hit the shores of North America? I mean I watched the whole thing, and even the movie; but not once did i say: Damn this anime is good. In fact there were times when i said WTF? This is what people like? I'll admit I liked the story and the concept of the anime, but the presentation was horrible. Most of the anime felt like fillers and could have been cut-out as it had nothing to do with anything. The homonculus being named after Sins is also poorly done I mean just because you name something Lust doesn't mean its a representation of Lust. Nobody lusted after her and she didn't lust after anybody. Somebody else has got to agree with me that this anime is really not as good as everybody says it is. is it just due to the adult swim publicity it's receiving or am i in the minority here?

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It was pretty popular before it even got onto Adult Swim. However, I'm sure it did get a bigger boost because of Adult Swim.

I'm not sure how well the whole sins things works later in the show as I only watched up to episode 25 or so but it might be worked out better in the manga. I hear that early on in the show it departs from the manga's story and perhaps without a well-flushed out storyline and some details might have included the sins it falls a bit flat in that regard. However, I wouldn't call FMA the most over-rated anime to hit the US. I'd be more inclined to give that title to a show like Eva.

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I never had no hate for the FMA anime. I didn't think anyone would even sweat over it in NJ or my college friends for that matter. When I saw it (subbed and waaay back) I enjoyed the storyline, the music (michuri ooshima who's responsible for Legend of Legaia) The characters were well though out. Sooo.. nope. Not an Anti. However, Whenever i flip the channels to AS, I noticed that FMA is still airing. I ask why but in the end, Not many people/kids have access to internet or know what sub are so its whatever.

I never checked out the manga. Alot of people go nuts over it but I can't get into it.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I read the manga long before it became big, back in the day when Toriyama World scanlated it (who also started Naruto if I recall). I thought the manga was pretty good, then started watching the anime and thought that was decent. Most anime that becomes overrated are due because of American release (usually), like Evangelion and Naruto. If anything I think Naruto deserves that title now.

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I picked a random anime to watch when I still visited places other than A-S or Baka Updates, and chose Full Metal Alchemist before ever knowing what it was. I really liked the story and the quality, but I also agree with how overrated it became once it officially became licensed and hit NA shores. Then everybody got into it, and it was the coolest thing since sliced bread. The 7 sins thing made me squeal at first, but now that you bring up that point, I see where you're coming from. If each sin had died accordingly, then that would certainly be justifiable, so it seemed more to be for the coolness factor.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I'm not Anti-FMA, but I don't see what the big deal is. I enjoyed it somewhat when I watched it subbed years ago, but I would never watch it again. I hear the manga's better, though.

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I really don't see why you would feel the need to be anti-FMA, just because something is over-rated doesn't mean it has to be bad (even though it sometimes is). It's not the most amazing show ever, but compared to many other shounen actions it has an intelligent storyline and idea, and plenty of good, dramatic moments. Many great characters as well and at least the journey isn't a completely generic version of "I want to be stronger."

And you may feel that it was wasted potential and they failed to present or realise some of the underlying ideas in a satisfactory way, but again I think that's a pretty poor argument for saying that it isn't good. Many shows of this type don't even have any ideas to begin with. I don't quite agree with your filler comment either, I thought it was most often on track and much of it was relevant in one way or another. Besides, who says filler has to be bad? Some of the stand-alone episodes in Ghost in the Shell are my favourites.

Originally Posted by crabman

Nobody lusted after her

I did...

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When I watched the fan-subs as they aired in Japan, I knew FMA would be huge when it got licensed. It's got a good blend of action and comedy, a storyline that more or less makes sense and is easy to follow (unlike Eva), characters that I became emotionally attached to, and it doesn't go on forever and is fast-paced (unlike Naruto). Love it or hate it, it's worth the hype.

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Uh. I'm pretty sure both

Spoiler:

Scar and his brother

lusted after Lust's original human self, and it was this lust that caused him to try to revive her.

Wrath is angry that his mother tried to, almost literally, throw him in the trash. Gluttony eats stuff. Sloth is gifted with the ability to transform into a viscous liquid, and is generally a slow-moving, slow-speaking character. Envy, which can be defined as the desire to be someone else, has the ability to, well, be someone else. Greed I don't remember because I last watched the series about two years ago, but I think the explanation had to do with his underworld cronies. Pride is the king of the frickin' country.

So, that's 1 out of the 7 humunculi that is not well-named. You may want to come up with a better reason not to like the show.

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I honestly didn't feel it was much of a hit here where I live so I never found it overrated.
And its definitely not the most overrated anime to hit the states.

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The BGM on FMA is quite nifty. But the anime blows. I sat through it a few times to watch some other show (can't remember what it was), but GOD I hated it. I read the manga since when it first got scanslated and knew it was fantastic. But then the anime came, which spins off and does its own thing. But it disgraces the name of the manga in my opinion.

The manga is intelligent and moves at a fast pace despite being a monthly sorta thing. The anime dotes on the whole philosopher stone and equivalent exchange ploy, but that was overcome in the manga rather swiftly. God is Wrath (in the anime) annoying as fuck... It is such a horrid anime and like many others that hit the shores of NA, it is overrated. Big time.

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Originally Posted by Pyocola

just because something is over-rated doesn't mean it has to be bad

That's probably the most important quote in the thread. Dragon Ball Z, Final Fantasy VII, Naruto, etc, each popular for being over rated for a t least a short period of time. Doesn't mean they are bad at all. There are two reasons why people can often dislike an overrated show/game:
1. After hearing so much praise about it, the person expects to have very high hopes for it, but when the person tried it out, it didn't live up to their expectations. In some cases, it can end here, but the hatred for the show/game could come from strong dissapointment, or disliking how often people give it such a good word when the person themself did not see it that way at all to the point where it gets annoying.
2. Another, more childish way is rebelling against it just for the sake that many people like it, and possibly they want their opinion to stand above others.

Your case seems to be #1. Just keep this in mind: There is not a single thing in existance that everyone will like. There will always be a decent percentage of people against it, and even hating it no matter how truly good it is. Always keep that in mind.

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FMA was the third or fourth full anime series I watched and it was the first one I got into. I really liked the storyline and how after the first ep there was some back story then they got on with it. I was disappointed with the end it started to wind up and I was thinking 'man that's pretty weak, you're really stretching it'. I've only read the first volume of the manga and it was more or less the same as the anime but I'll eventually get more.

Sure I think it does have weaknesses in the story but I like the concept of alchemy and liked the characters so I thought it was good.

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Originally Posted by Sacred X

1. After hearing so much praise about it, the person expects to have very high hopes for it, but when the person tried it out, it didn't live up to their expectations. In some cases, it can end here, but the hatred for the show/game could come from strong dissapointment, or disliking how often people give it such a good word when the person themself did not see it that way at all to the point where it gets annoying.

Your case seems to be #1. Just keep this in mind: There is not a single thing in existance that everyone will like. There will always be a decent percentage of people against it, and even hating it no matter how truly good it is. Always keep that in mind.

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You basically hate Fullmetal Alchemist because OTHER people praised it so much, and it didn't live up to YOUR expectations. I liked Fullmetal Alchemist. Sure it isn't the best anime ever (I could probably name at least 20 that are better in my eyes), but I watched the whole things and I got into it. The ending wasn't what I wanted, but I was satisfied by watching it - even if there were problems with it.

Then again, I watched it before it became hyped up (like Dragonball Z, Inu Yasha, Naruto, etc.). And it doesn't seem as if you hate the anime 'cause it's bad - you even watched the whole thing. Most people would stop watching after a certain number of episodes if it was bad (you even watched the movie). You probably enjoyed it (didn't love it, but you liked it), however you can't see the fact because you're clouded on expectation.

Also, I don't think too many people say "Damn this anime is good." They may think something along those lines, but I don't think too many people would go about it like that.



Anyways, towards the Lust comment:

Spoiler:

Lujon, remember him? He lived in the Fossil diseased town. He was suppose to get married, but things happened which lead to him getting a red stone from Lust to save the town from the disease. He fell in love with Lust to the point that after she left, he was devastated. He didn't get married like he was going to, and I think he even tried searching for her.

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Well, I really have never had an interest in FMA, and it didn't help that my roommate was 'into it' -- and she notoriously liked contrived, long-winded series like Saiyuki and Kyo Kara Maoh. I watched a few episodes, but it completely failed to catch my interest. I really don't care for the art style in either the anime or the manga, so there wasn't even an aesthetic reason for me to watch; Edward's character design is one of my least favorite out of any anime/manga, with the over-detailed body and extremely simple face, it just lacks a lot of congruence for my tastes.

These days I have little free time to watch much of anything, never mind anime series that are long-winded. Now I've been assured that there are no filler episodes to FMA (at 51 episodes, it's still a bit long-winded for my tastes), but I just couldn't get into it enough to make it worth my time.

Originally Posted by Sacred X

...the hatred for the show/game could come from strong dissapointment, or disliking how often people give it such a good word when the person themself did not see it that way at all to the point where it gets annoying.

Exactly. I just don't see anything remotely remarkable about the show, and the dub job they slapped on it for the US release doesn't help. I've watched a lot of other anime that had remarkable stories and characters that were also released here, but since a lot of people laud FMA, less 'experienced' fans go on and on about it (ditto for Naruto, possibly the worst case of this barring DBZ). I know this seems a bit of an otaku stance, but I really don't have that kind of mindset. Cowboy Bebop is lauded ad naseum, but I think that is a series that deserves it more than FMA.

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Originally Posted by BurningRanger

Uh. I'm pretty sure both

Spoiler:

Scar and his brother

lusted after Lust's original human self, and it was this lust that caused him to try to revive her.

Wrath is angry that his mother tried to, almost literally, throw him in the trash. Gluttony eats stuff. Sloth is gifted with the ability to transform into a viscous liquid, and is generally a slow-moving, slow-speaking character. Envy, which can be defined as the desire to be someone else, has the ability to, well, be someone else. Greed I don't remember because I last watched the series about two years ago, but I think the explanation had to do with his underworld cronies. Pride is the king of the frickin' country.

So, that's 1 out of the 7 humunculi that is not well-named. You may want to come up with a better reason not to like the show.

If i remember correctly; Scar's brother was gonna marry her. I GUESS you could call that lust but i really wouldn't since there's supposed to be genuine love when you marry someone. And i honestly didn't feel that scar lusted after Lust both pre or after homonculus. I thought he was surprised when he first saw her but no real sexual wants. Sloth is laziness, not lack of movement; and i remember the secretary being not very lazy. And Envy? He thought everybody else was ugly except for his one girl-boy form. He didn't envy anybody except for a figure he made up. How is that envy? And so what Pride is the king of a country. How does that make him prideful? He had like no screen time so neither of us could back up our statements with much. Greed I don't remember him being greedy at all; and obviously you can't either. Gluttony is the only one that fits his name. He eats and eats, i guess you win that one.

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FMA was waaaay overrated similar to Naruto and Bleach. I think those types of animes appeal more to the younger crowd and not to the 16-25's or so here. The older crowds tend to be more passive in their opinions (at least i am being 20). I mean an anime like Death Note is clearly better on every level then FMA but it hardly gets any press. Plus, since anime is "uncool" i never go talking about it in public unlike with younger viewers.

Note: EVA was not overrated. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's not good. In fact, I would put EVA in my top 5 for sure. I think you have to enjoy figuring out the meaning behind the show to get the most from it.

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Originally Posted by xen0phobia

Note: EVA was not overrated. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's not good. In fact, I would put EVA in my top 5 for sure. I think you have to enjoy figuring out the meaning behind the show to get the most from it.

Where's your evidence to suggest that Acer and the others calling it overrated didn't understand Eva? What if they understood it but hated it? I mean, it's got both good and bad points, but not everyone is going to like even the good parts. Personally I understood it just fine, and I don't class it as a favourite anymore.

OK so one person in this thread said they didn't understand it... the others just said it was overrated.

Personally I'm neutral on FMA. I watched it on TV for a while, but I won't be buying it. It's just not a favourite of mine.

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Alright, Jokes aside, I can see why people would dismiss this, but I watched it, and found it to be an enjoyable series, with some likeable characters and a story-line that for the most part kept you wondering what was going to happen next. The ending WAS rushed and its bad that they had to make a movie to wrap up the major unanswered questions.

However, its not overrated to the point the OP suggests. I even found myself becoming emotionally involved at a few moments, so there is the ability to draw the viewers in. After all, if a show is hated because of its popularity, then obviously the show must be enjoyed by a lot.

Well, to each his own I guess. I'm not saying it was the greatest show or anything (And some characters I felt were underused or introduced in a rushed manner), but its a nice way to escape from our world (At least, until near the end xD) and explore one where things work a bit differently.

Like Soulzar said, I'm fairly neutral on it: Yeah I liked it and had a good time watching it, but now that I have, its on to other stuff.

Essentially, how it played out at the end:

Me: Hmm, that was a pretty good show! ::nodsheadapprovingly::
Me: ...Ok, what to watch next? ::looksontorrentpage::

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Honestly, I thought it was pretty good, except the last episodes which, IMO, were retarded.

I saw the fan subbed eps, and I do think there are better animes out there than this.

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Does the movie count? Because it followed that common anime tradition of falsed wtf crappy endings, I can't remeber the last time a climax to an anime had made me badly want to see the next part only to be like:

Spoiler:

"we're stuck in world war 2... oh well least I got you bro let's go make a rocket! =D" playing to the yoai fans much?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by xen0phobia

I think those types of anime appeal more to the younger crowd and not to the 16-25's or so here. The older crowds tend to be more passive in their opinions (at least i am being 20). I mean an anime like Death Note is clearly better on every level then FMA but it hardly gets any press..

QFT.
Death Note is quite possibly the most mature and well-thought-out story put out by Shounen Jump, which notoriously pushes its stories to go on and on until their plots devolve into utter crap. Even DN was pushed for length a little, but at least it ended within a logical amount of chapters.

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Evangelion is definitely overrated. But I think many people get the false impression that it is a bad anime from the English dub, which happens to rank among the worst crimes ever commited against humanity. It's definitely a great anime.

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Originally Posted by Ryuu

Quoted for truth.


You basically hate Fullmetal Alchemist because OTHER people praised it so much, and it didn't live up to YOUR expectations. I liked Fullmetal Alchemist. Sure it isn't the best anime ever (I could probably name at least 20 that are better in my eyes), but I watched the whole things and I got into it. The ending wasn't what I wanted, but I was satisfied by watching it - even if there were problems with it.

Then again, I watched it before it became hyped up (like Dragonball Z, Inu Yasha, Naruto, etc.). And it doesn't seem as if you hate the anime 'cause it's bad - you even watched the whole thing. Most people would stop watching after a certain number of episodes if it was bad (you even watched the movie). You probably enjoyed it (didn't love it, but you liked it), however you can't see the fact because you're clouded on expectation.

Also, I don't think too many people say "Damn this anime is good." They may think something along those lines, but I don't think too many people would go about it like that.



Anyways, towards the Lust comment:

Spoiler:

Lujon, remember him? He lived in the Fossil diseased town. He was suppose to get married, but things happened which lead to him getting a red stone from Lust to save the town from the disease. He fell in love with Lust to the point that after she left, he was devastated. He didn't get married like he was going to, and I think he even tried searching for her.

I'll admit that a large part of why i posted this was because of the disppointment I had espiecally after all the hype it received. But I really thought it was bad; I've watched a bunch of animes that took a really long time to get good, but once it did they were pretty amazing. FMA was not one of them IMO. I just couldn't find a point in the story I liked besides it being original. I don't know about where you live; but where i live it's gotten to the point where it's not uncommon to see a guy in a cheat red coat with a alchemist thing on his back, or a fat FMA badge across thier chest or something know waht i'm saying? Basically i just don't understand, why. And no i'm not one of those anti-trend people who are all like awww naruto sucks cuz um.... other people like it. I actually liked naruto up until the fillers. Know what i'm saying?

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I watched the FMA anime several months after the last episode was released and after everyone else had finished it. I was already aware of what others thought about the story and characters, so I decided to give it a try.

I managed to finish the entire series in about a week or so, and I thought it was an enjoyable anime. The main characters were interesting and the story held my attention until the end, so it was a solid anime for me overall.

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