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Russian reporter shot dead. Assassination? Conspiracy?
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Old Oct 8, 2006, 03:38 PM #1 of 16
Angry Russian reporter shot dead. Assassination? Conspiracy?



Damn it has been awhile since I have actually posted here!

If you read the news, by now I am sure you've heard about a Russian reporter who was killed while in an elevator. She was best known for her critical coverage of the war in Chechnya.

In April, she contacted The New York Times and said she had evidence of torture by Mr. Kadyrov's police and other gunmen. She told the Times at least one witness had been tortured by Mr. Kadyrov himself. The Russian prime minister has denied the allegations.

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Now the 'lead russian prosecutor" has taken over the case.

The move by Prosecutor-General Yury Chaika came Sunday as colleagues of slain reporter Anna Politkovskaya said she was about to publish a story alleging torture and abductions in Chechnya by Russian servicemen.

There has been an international outcry over this.

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I don't know about you guys but I theorize the Russian Government had her assassinated because she was literally going to destroy them & they wanted to maintain their power. Specifically, that Chechen Prime Minister Ramzan Kadyrov had her assassinated.

I believe they are trying to cover it up now by bringing in the best Russian prosecutor. Because of the international outcry, I believe that they should have an international prosecutor handle it. Right now it smells even more like a cover-up to me. Five bucks say that they pull a bum off the street & give him to the death penalty.

Ten bucks says it'll be the end of the current Russian Government.

Discuss.

I did use some clips from the articles in this one.

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Old Oct 8, 2006, 03:46 PM Local time: Oct 8, 2006, 03:46 PM #2 of 16
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Russia has become one of the deadliest places for journalists. Twenty-three journalists were killed in the country between 1996 and 2005, many in Chechnya, according to CPJ. At least 12 have been murdered in contract-style killings since Putin came to power, Simon said.
This makes me think that your assessment is a little more optimistic than what will actually happen.

I hadn't realized Russia was still so adverse to governmental criticism, and certainly not that reporting had become such a dangerous profession since the cold war ended.

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Old Oct 8, 2006, 03:53 PM #3 of 16
Maybe I am a little optimistic but it could happen. This is the first time that this has caused such an international outcry. I did not realize until this that Russia had become so corrupt.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
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Old Oct 8, 2006, 04:22 PM Local time: Oct 8, 2006, 04:22 PM #4 of 16
Originally Posted by Black Hat
I don't know about you guys but I theorize the Russian Government had her assassinated because she was literally going to destroy them & they wanted to maintain their power.
When you say "the Russian Government", are you referring to the one in Moscow? The one Vladimir Putin runs? The one that controls the Parliament, controls the lower federal states, the security services, and, to top it all off, enjoys a great deal of support from the Russian public?

You're saying this one reporter was going to destroy that Russian government?

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Old Oct 8, 2006, 04:45 PM Local time: Oct 8, 2006, 11:45 PM #5 of 16
Yeah, that, combined with your saying that this may possibly be the end of the Russian government, and that Russia has become corrupt, makes me think that you have a quite vague understanding of the situation in that country.

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old Oct 8, 2006, 04:57 PM #6 of 16
I do have a vague understanding of that government and that country. I've never really cared about Russia until now.

@ Styphon: No. I am saying it's possible. Currently, we don't know how far up the ladder this goes. It's a remote possibility.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?
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Old Oct 8, 2006, 05:07 PM Local time: Oct 8, 2006, 05:07 PM #7 of 16
Originally Posted by Black Hat
It's a remote possibility.
A "remote possibility" that you apparently believe, since you said you thought the "Russian Government" was responsible (the Russian Government would refer to the Russian federal government, not the subject governments) and that you say you're willing to bet money that the death of this one reporter would mean the end of the current government (which would mean bringing down Putin).

I'm almost willing to take that bet.

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Old Oct 8, 2006, 05:21 PM #8 of 16
You sound like you believe Putin had nothing to do with this. Have you forgotten about the war President Vladimir Putin has been putting on the media? Reporters have found it much more difficult to report these stories ever since he became president. Is it so far fetched to believe that Putin may be involved somewhere?

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I wanted to add something to strengthen my position/conspiracy theory.

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...The country's top prosecutor, Yury Chaika, announced that he had personally taken control of the investigation into her death, another familiar response to a wave of contract killings.
See the section I underlined? So appearently he has taken control of them before with no arrests/break-throughs. Don't forget, ever since Vladimir Putin took office... the media has been under serious fire.

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Old Oct 8, 2006, 09:35 PM Local time: Oct 8, 2006, 07:35 PM #9 of 16
The Philippines has a slew of journalists killed for exposing the truth about the current government so this does not surprise me at all.

Still, my condolences.

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Old Oct 8, 2006, 09:51 PM Local time: Oct 8, 2006, 09:51 PM #10 of 16
Originally Posted by Black Prat
You sound like you believe Putin had nothing to do with this. Have you forgotten about the war President Vladimir Putin has been putting on the media? Reporters have found it much more difficult to report these stories ever since he became president. Is it so far fetched to believe that Putin may be involved somewhere?

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I wanted to add something to strengthen my position/conspiracy theory.



See the section I underlined? So appearently he has taken control of them before with no arrests/break-throughs. Don't forget, ever since Vladimir Putin took office... the media has been under serious fire.

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I like how this post is entirely different from the post you originally made.

You said that you felt that the Russian government was behind this, and did it because she was "literally going to destroy them", and that her death was going to bring down the Russian government somehow. I scoff at the idea that she was a danger to the Russian government, either alive or dead.

Your underlined section isn't exactly conclusive evidence of a conspiracy, either.

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Old Oct 8, 2006, 10:32 PM #11 of 16
Originally Posted by Lord Styphon
I like how this post is entirely different from the post you originally made.

You said that you felt that the Russian government was behind this, and did it because she was "literally going to destroy them", and that her death was going to bring down the Russian government somehow. I scoff at the idea that she was a danger to the Russian government, either alive or dead.

Your underlined section isn't exactly conclusive evidence of a conspiracy, either.
It is not totally different, Styphon. I removed some parts of it, yes. Only because when I added the edit, what I said previously was no longer needed. And no, it is NOT conclusive evidence. That is why it is called a "Conspiracy THEORY". Please stop running my topic off-topic, Styphon.

You have not contributed one real thing to this topic.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
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Old Oct 8, 2006, 10:39 PM Local time: Oct 8, 2006, 10:39 PM #12 of 16
And now you're member moderating. Member moderating a moderator, at that.

Stop member moderating, Black Hat.

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Old Oct 9, 2006, 12:36 AM Local time: Oct 8, 2006, 10:36 PM #13 of 16
While I doubt that any info the journalist may or may not have had would have itself been enough to bring about the downfall of the government (almost no institutions have fallen because of a single incident), it doesn't mean that the government had nothing to do with it. Considering Russia's incredibly long history of corrupt governments, I would in fact be surprised if it didn't have anything to do with it.

Also, large text for emphasis.

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old Oct 30, 2006, 01:25 AM Local time: Oct 29, 2006, 10:25 PM #14 of 16
My understanding is that the real power in the government comes from the Russian syndicates that have placed puppet candidates, like Putin, in power.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

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Old Oct 30, 2006, 01:34 AM Local time: Oct 30, 2006, 01:34 AM #15 of 16
Originally Posted by Duo Maxwell
My understanding is that the real power in the government comes from the Russian syndicates that have placed puppet candidates, like Putin, in power.
If Putin was a puppet of the Russian monied elite, I don't think he'd be strong enough to do things like nationalize the Russian petroleum industry, or throw the richest man in Russia in prison.

Or course, this may hinge on whether "syndicates" refers to the Russian monied elite or to the Russian mob (not that there's much of a difference).

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