WHAT HAS SCIENCE DONE.

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The Cernier Company or CERN, the world’s largest physics research firm, is currently in the process of building what would be the world’s largest working supercollider. Known as “Large Hadron Collider,” or LHC, the device is 27 kilometers (16.7 miles) long and resides in a tunnel approximately 100 meters beneath the Franco-Swiss border, just outside of Geneva.

By accelerating protons toward each other at 99.999999% the speed of light the LHC can recreate conditions similar to those that resulted from the Big Bang, ultimately alighting a great deal about the particles and forces that comprise our Universe.

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A press release from CERN better illuminates their intent for the project:

…Our current understanding of the Universe is incomplete. We have seen that the theory we use, the Standard Model, leaves many unsolved questions. Among them, the reason why elementary particles have mass, and why are their masses different is the most perplexing one. It is remarkable that such a familiar concept is so poorly understood.

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First Japan and now NERV CERN. I'm getting sick and tired of these motherfucking scientists taking motherfucking global-scale risks. Although it would be pretty cool to come out of a black hole intact and with super powers.

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I think it's cool. I'm 100% for advancing what scientific knowledge we have.

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I just hope their idea of simulating the Big Bang doesn't cause a new Big Bang that destroys the one we already have.

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Would that really explain why we exist, though? That's the biggest mystery. Sounds like we're going to look at how -- which is interesting, but maybe not as crucial.

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That sounds amazing. I always forget that this kind of thing is being done around the world. Like this huge tunnel being built 16.7km long! I think that anything that advances science is good and helps us to understand the universe around us alot more. Thumbs up from me!

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No matter what scientists learn about the Big Bang, they will never know what caused it. They can only study the laws of the universe, not what came before. So, this study may answer some questions, which many of us probably didn't even ask in the first place, but it will not answer all questions regarding the Big Bang.

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Oh dear us, we're going to accelerate particles at a whole 99.999999% of the speed of light! This might create a black hole! Yeah, I like how these articles never mention that particles with many, many orders of magnitude more energy are routinely created through various cosmic events, and that a lot of those end up hitting us or a lot of other stuff in the universe, yet don't seem to cause black holes to suddently appear. But hey, I suppose that's not worth mentioning when you can just try to make your article remotely interesting by trying to scare people who don't know much about physics. Oh and:

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The Cernier Company or CERN, the world’s largest physics research firm

What? I've never actually heard the CERN being refered to as "Cernier Company" or "research firm" before, probably because it's neither. Cernier appears to be a town in Switzerland, probably in the area the CERN is located, so unless it's some sort of obscure alternate name, someone just decided to make something up. As for being a "research firm", I guess it's true in the same way Los Alamos or Fermilab is a "research firm". It's not a private company.

I have serious doubts about the qualifications of whoever wrote that. Also, love the title.

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Originally Posted by The Wise Vivi

I just hope their idea of simulating the Big Bang doesn't cause a new Big Bang that destroys the one we already have.

Presuming the destruction was localized to our planet, I'd consider it a positive thing on the whole for the universe.

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And where do they plan to recreate these conditions? The Big Bang doesn't sound like something we should be in any hurry to recreate. Seems like all of this time and these resources could be better spent to me.

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Originally Posted by Jochie

Would that really explain why we exist, though? That's the biggest mystery. Sounds like we're going to look at how -- which is interesting, but maybe not as crucial.

Some people would argue that learning how we exist would tell us why we exist. Not everyone believes that our existance is somehow supernatural and there is no way to prove that. Care to venture an alternative?

Originally Posted by Krusty69

And where do they plan to recreate these conditions? The Big Bang doesn't sound like something we should be in any hurry to recreate. Seems like all of this time and these resources could be better spent to me.

Did you not read the part in the opening post about CERN and their supercollider? It's pretty obvious that is where they will be doing their experiments. Creating Big Bang-like conditions does mean they are recreating The Big Bang. Protons hardly contain the amount of mass that the universe did at The Big Bang.

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Didn't I already read this in Dan Brown's "Angels and Demons"?

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Are you guys illiterate, or just dumb? They don't want to re-create the Big Bang lol, they're recreating "conditions similar to those that resulted from the Big Bang". Simulating post-Big Bang conditions does not mean recreating the Big Bang. How could anyone rationally consider that possible?

I was speaking idiomatically.

On a non-serious note, as I started reading this, Futurama came on for its 2am slot... it's the episode that starts with a robot on stage saying "So I says, 'Super collider? I just met her!'" Which I thought was pretty ironic but anyway... I am all for science and discovering the mysteries of the universe... but I get a bad feeling that we are teetering on the destruction of Earth, possibly the universe every time I read something like that. There was a similar thread with creating a mini-universe in a controlled environment. I feel like doing things like this will tear apart the fabric of space and time. They are trying to recreate the after-effects of the Big Bang, but that is all unknown. The universe is infinite and always expanding... To create something similar (be it the creation of a mini-universe or post-Big Bang conditions) would, in my mind, possibly create another infinite entity... and one space can't contain 2 infinite, expanding bodies. That’s my 2 cents anyway, based on the little I remember from physics... I'm probably wrong; I just don't like meddling in the unknown, especially when it can cause an apocalyptic scenario.

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Originally Posted by The Wise Vivi

I just hope their idea of simulating the Big Bang doesn't cause a new Big Bang that destroys the one we already have.

But if it did happen it would be great. Just make sure your near your biggest Christian friend so you can give him/her a big huge with tears rolling down your face and say, "I always knew I was right."

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Originally Posted by ionuk tomb

But if it did happen it would be great. Just make sure your near your biggest Christian friend so you can give him/her a big huge with tears rolling down your face and say, "I always knew I was right."

...Apart from the fact that it doesn't prove atheism in the least.

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Ok guys, let it go. The General disscussion forums is not for religious bashing, and I believe it isn't allowed in any of the forums on GF.

Anyway, its good to see that they know the consequenses of what they are going to do. Its great to see that scientists are willing try try things to prove their theories. If this proves successful, the understanding of how things have come to be will be greater. Can't wait to hear the results.

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Originally Posted by SCHNEE-1

Are you guys illiterate, or just dumb? They don't want to re-create the Big Bang lol, they're recreating "conditions similar to those that resulted from the Big Bang". Simulating post-Big Bang conditions does not mean recreating the Big Bang. How could anyone rationally consider that possible?

But how do they, or anyone for that matter, know that creative post-Big Bang conditions will not destroy the Earth in the process. Maybe I don't understand physics well, ok at all, but how can they predict what IS going to happen?

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Honestly, there are too many people starving to death on Earth anyway. Isn't it better we all go out in a bang (I made a pun), than to die a slow death?

Sure.

Go science!

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Originally Posted by The Wise Vivi

Ok guys, let it go. The General disscussion forums is not for religious bashing, and I believe it isn't allowed in any of the forums on GF.

You forgot the rule on member moderating.

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Originally Posted by GALM-2

You forgot the rule on member moderating.

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I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Krusty69

And where do they plan to recreate these conditions? The Big Bang doesn't sound like something we should be in any hurry to recreate. Seems like all of this time and these resources could be better spent to me.

Maybe they could have spent some of the time and money on giving you a semi-decent education for example?

It's not as if particle accellerators are anything new. Scientists have been smacking sub-atomic particles into each other for years now. The only difference is that this one does it a bit faster. As has already been said, the amounts of mass and energy involved are miniscule compared to those present at the birth of the universe so anyone worried this is going to be the end of civilisation as we know it is frankly, retarded.

I'd be more worried that the Chinese claim to be close to achieving atomic fusion with a net energy increase. If they build a fusion reactor before the Americans do there's gonna be an arms race that'll put the cold war to shame.

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Originally Posted by Arainach

Most. Ironic Post. Ever.

Sorry, the most ironic post ever was when Pang mentioned being sarcastic was for idiots.

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I concede. I must've missed that one.

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