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College level Science class...your opinion?
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Old Mar 8, 2006, 02:45 AM #1 of 21
College level Science class...your opinion?

Well I'm about to withdraw from Physics 101 pretty soon, mainly because I fell behind in the beginning and i think it's too late for me to catch up, the most I can get is a C, and that's not worth it IMO.

I believe I only need some type of science class, like bio, chem, or phy.

Anyways, I'm asking peeps that have taken bio and chem, and if you don't mind, could you give me your opinion on it?

I'm sorting leaning towards chem, mainly because I was able to understand it in HS and get an easy A, while in BIO i got a C, because i didn't understand a lot of stuff (i was also a sophomore and sorta lazy.)

I took PHY this semester because I have never experienced it before, and it certainly is a time intensive class, and because of that, I dunno if I would like to learn any more of it.

Any opinion you can give me is greatly appreciated.

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Old Mar 8, 2006, 02:46 AM Local time: Mar 8, 2006, 03:46 AM #2 of 21
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Old Mar 8, 2006, 02:49 AM Local time: Mar 8, 2006, 02:49 AM #3 of 21
Maybe it's just where I am, but geology satisfies science course requirements just as well as physics, chemisty and biology. You might want to look into that.

And why is a C not worth it? Getting a C will give you the credits you need, won't it?

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Old Mar 8, 2006, 03:01 AM Local time: Mar 8, 2006, 01:01 AM #4 of 21
If all you are taking a science class for is to fulfill a general ed requirement, a C is sufficient unless you are already on shaky ground with your expected GPA. If the class is related to your major in any way, a C is a high enough to move on to the next level of courses.

Does is matter if the science course you take is life or physical? Are you required to take a lab along with the lecture? I've always been partial to the physical sciences, but choosing courses should also be a matter of weighing the skills and knowledge you'll be gaining rather than just the grade you receive.

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Old Mar 8, 2006, 03:01 AM Local time: Mar 8, 2006, 01:01 AM #5 of 21
If you can get a C, then why not take the class pass/no pass. Isn't it in most colleges if you're not going to grad school and just worried about graduating, then a pass is all you need to get credits and it won't affect your GPA

And to answer I like biology better. Chem adds a layer of math that just adds more work for me.

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Old Mar 8, 2006, 03:48 AM Local time: Mar 8, 2006, 12:48 AM #6 of 21
I really liked physics. I took 100 and currently take 200. If you're good with math, you should definately take physics.

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If you can get a C, then why not take the class pass/no pass. Isn't it in most colleges if you're not going to grad school and just worried about graduating, then a pass is all you need to get credits and it won't affect your GPA
My school has a deadline on when you can switch it. It's usually like the first month of class.

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Old Mar 8, 2006, 04:01 AM Local time: Mar 8, 2006, 02:01 AM #7 of 21
I kinda miss the sciences. I'm in the last semester of my BS Computer Engineering, and the only non computer science science course I took in my 4 years here was a 200-level Physics course just for fun. Now, as I help some of my freshmen and sophmore friends with their chemistry homework (since it's most of the stuff I learned in high school), I kind of miss it. Biology, however, was never my strong suit (I don't even consider it a science). But chem and physics... I miss.

....then again, I am in my last semester and am lazy as hell, so I'm most likely never taking a [non-cs] science course again, even in grad school, which I'll do later after I work for a bit.


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Old Mar 8, 2006, 04:39 AM #8 of 21
Originally Posted by Lord Styphon
Maybe it's just where I am, but geology satisfies science course requirements just as well as physics, chemisty and biology. You might want to look into that.

And why is a C not worth it? Getting a C will give you the credits you need, won't it?
I took Geology. If you decide to go that route, make sure you jump into the Intro course and don't do what I did. I jumped in the next course up, had a confusing teacher, and skated right out of that class with lowest possible passing grade.

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Old Mar 8, 2006, 09:14 AM #9 of 21
The question is: do you like, or are you good at, math?

If you are, or if you're one of the twisted subhuman mutants who enjoys math, then chemistry or physics are the ways to go, since they're all about formulas, plugging in, titration, etc.

Biology, unless you get deeply into certain aspects of it, it much more holistic, dealing in vocabulary and concept application, with some light statistics thrown in for good measure.

I'm a math hater, so I chose biology and did well in it. If it's a gen ed, there's no reason to take a C unless it's unavoidable. Geology is another option, but IMHO, rocks are boring, whereas critters are less so, especially in lab.

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Old Mar 8, 2006, 09:23 AM #10 of 21
Physics is math heavy. If you really want to get anywhere with Physics, you are going to need a good understanding of Calculus or it will be a big pain in the ass.

There was a saying that went around my school...'Cs get the Degrees'.

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Old Mar 8, 2006, 09:26 AM Local time: Mar 8, 2006, 08:26 AM #11 of 21
Originally Posted by orion_mk3
Geology is another option, but IMHO, rocks are boring...
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As a Geophysicist, I've gotten a Minor in Geology. Most classes are conceptual knowledge. A Geologist is meant to do footwork in the field, not sit in an office and crunch numbers or research for a living.

A GEOL 101 course should consist of Mineral Identification, followed by Rock Identification according to its type of Rock ( Lab for Sed, Met, & Ign each). It'll also pack in Strike & Dip notation and usage, topography map reading, and some brief topics in hydrology. But I had to take 104 since I'm a Geoscientist of sorts.

I enjoy Geology immensely. I can tell you that there is little to no math, to boot. But you'll spend a lot of free time in lab memorizing rocks & minerals.

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Old Mar 8, 2006, 09:27 AM #12 of 21
In high school, I was an A student in all science classes and I never studied.
In college, I got mostly B's in my required basic science classes and I never studied.

The thing is in college you have to study. It's not like high school where you have class daily, which is a constant review of what you do everyday so you don't have time to forget what you learned hence why I never studied and got A's. College is like class only twice a week so if you don't study then you'll forget everything; this goes for all courses.

So the things you want to consider are:
Will this affect your GPA greatly?
Is this Class required in general? for your major?
If it's for your major then find out if you need minimum grade requirements.
Also, in some colleges, there's a Pass or Fail option. P(pass) grade WILL NOT average in the grade to your GPA. F(fail) grade WILL average in your GPA. Check your school's bulletin (the guide book) for more details.

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Old Mar 8, 2006, 09:50 AM Local time: Mar 8, 2006, 08:50 AM #13 of 21
Pass/Fail is largely constricted wherever it is at. We have it here at Texas A&M but the only courses I've heard it is used in is Kinesiology. And only one of our two requireds in it can be held as Pass/Fail. I don't think you can equate the option to trickier courses. I don't think, that is.

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Old Mar 8, 2006, 10:35 AM #14 of 21
It depends a lot on your mindset. Mathematics comes naturally to me, and because of that Physics is a breeze. On Bio vs. Chem.... I'd take Chem any day. Chem here wasn't exactly "easy", but it's much, much simpler than Bio (heck, Bio has Chem as a Prereq) and more interesting, at least to me.

/me will be very glad when this semester (and thus his last bio class for all eternity) is done.

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Old Mar 8, 2006, 01:37 PM #15 of 21
I'm an engineering major, so I'll have to take all of them anyway ^_^. Though I really hate Chemisty, and I like the rest.

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Old Mar 8, 2006, 02:19 PM #16 of 21
Well, around here chemestry is considered "hell"; you have to take it with a three-hour lab that counts as one hour of credit (in addition to a lot of pre/post lab assigments that took hours outside of class). You might want to consider the whole lab thing before you choose.

Also, I can't imagine you doing too stellar in chemistry if you're having trouble keeping up in physics.

Otherwise, I'd just ask around about classes. It seems to me a person's performance in their classes reflects more about their reaction to the teacher (or their style) than the subject. Ask other students about the teachers and how they run their classes, and you should have a good idea of how you'll fare.

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Old Mar 8, 2006, 02:23 PM #17 of 21
Originally Posted by Gechmir
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Old Mar 8, 2006, 05:11 PM Local time: Mar 8, 2006, 02:11 PM #18 of 21
I tend to do better in biology just because there isn't a lot of math involved. All my bio classes have always required me to memorize material, and you'll find yourself doing that if your professor requires it in chemistry as well (polyatomics, periodic table, formulas, etc).

All science classes at my school require a 3-3.5 hour lab per week along with attending lecture. There are exams in the lab and lecture as well.

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Old Mar 8, 2006, 05:27 PM #19 of 21
Originally Posted by Gechmir
It'll also pack in Strike & Dip notation and usage, topography map reading, and some brief topics in hydrology.
I failed this part miserably because my teacher had her own weird interpretation of what it should be versus what was actually asked on tests and quizzes.

I did enjoy the mineral and rock identification, though. Quite fascinating.

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Old Mar 8, 2006, 06:34 PM Local time: Mar 8, 2006, 05:34 PM #20 of 21
Yes'm, it is nifty stuff. I'm gonna try and TA 101 next semester ;D Which topic was she screwy in? Strike-Dip? SD notation has a lotta ways but the standard is "Strike, Dip" in order, all in Quadrant-style coordinates. Some folks do Azimuthal but it's easier this way >_> Unless you're hauling around old-school Brunton compasses.

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About time you geologists had the stones to hit back against your critics
Hey now =p Geoscientists enjoy their alcohol tremendously and oft at times don't care about hecklers. I'M SOBER ;_;

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Old Mar 8, 2006, 06:47 PM #21 of 21
Yep, she screwed up Strike-Dip, all map subjects, and streams and rivers. I think if I had a better teacher, I would've really enjoyed that class and done better in it.

I was speaking idiomatically.
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