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Attention PSN Users - Your Information Just Got Stolen
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Old Apr 26, 2011, 06:29 PM #1 of 76
Attention PSN Users - Your Information Just Got Stolen



Guess what? Sony screwed up big time, and someone now has your information! Just which information?

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Although we are still investigating the details of this incident, we believe that an unauthorized person has obtained the following information that you provided: name, address (city, state, zip), country, email address, birthdate, PlayStation Network/Qriocity password and login, and handle/PSN online ID.
But that's not all, they also might have gotten this stuff!

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It is also possible that your profile data, including purchase history and billing address (city, state, zip), and your PlayStation Network/Qriocity password security answers may have been obtained. If you have authorized a sub-account for your dependent, the same data with respect to your dependent may have been obtained.
And as if this wasn't bad enough:

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While there is no evidence at this time that credit card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility. If you have provided your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity, out of an abundance of caution we are advising you that your credit card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may have been obtained.
Now is a good time to change your passwords! It's also a good time to consider changing your credit card number! Check for emails from DoNotReply@ac.playstation.net to see which card they have on file. As for your password, well... right now you can't change or check it.

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Old Apr 26, 2011, 06:35 PM #2 of 76
I don't see how this is some INSANE issue. Okay, having all that credit card information (if the hacker(s) have it, I don't see how since theres been CC encryption since the advent of online purchasing) is fucking horrible and Sony is never going to get back the level of trust they once had.

But pretty much EVERYTHING ELSE IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD. And whoop-de-fucking-do that some guy might have my PSN password because THAT REALLY MEANS SOMETHING IF THE NETWORK IS SHUT DOWN.

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Old Apr 26, 2011, 06:41 PM #3 of 76
That's absolutely true. The CC issue is a big one, though, and people having your PSN password means something for those people (like me, formerly) that use the same password for everything.

More than anything I'm just letting people know so that regardless of how much they care they know what went out there.

It's inexcusable that they spent a week pretending nothing drastic happened. Up until today all we'd heard was that there was "an intrusion" and it was made to sound like they'd just taken the network down, not actually taken shit.

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Old Apr 26, 2011, 06:57 PM #4 of 76
More than anything I'm just letting people know so that regardless of how much they care they know what went out there.

It's inexcusable that they spent a week pretending nothing drastic happened.
I agree with these things as well.

However, a lot of people online are super alarmist and like to see people wave their arms so THEY know how to react. You have to be careful about the precedent you set when you open threads like this. Acting like the place is on fire is only going to make people think its the smart thing to do.

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Old Apr 26, 2011, 07:14 PM #5 of 76
Well, I suppose I sounded a bit more alarmist than I intended. More than anything I'm trying to come across as mad. I just came off of redoing EVERYTHING after Gawker got hacked and subsequently revealed to be absolutely incompetent chucklefucks, and I'm mad that Sony took as long as they did to reveal that the possibility of the information being stolen exists.

I'd just rather see the information get spread quickly so everyone who cares enough to go the full nine yards with protecting their info gets the headsup.

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old Apr 26, 2011, 07:31 PM #6 of 76
Yeah, I'm sad I have to change my passwords to everything now. I don't even remember all the shit I used that password for.

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Old Apr 26, 2011, 08:04 PM Local time: Apr 26, 2011, 06:04 PM #7 of 76
I think I may have had a PSN account with them, but I never used it for anything other then downloading a game or two for my PSP back in the day. At the same time though, better safe then sorry. I'll be changing my info whenever the network goes back up.

...and here I was contemplating getting a PS3 to play blu-rays with, with a couple games on the side as a bonus

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Old Apr 26, 2011, 10:15 PM Local time: Apr 27, 2011, 11:15 AM #8 of 76
I don't see how this is some INSANE issue. Okay, having all that credit card information (if the hacker(s) have it, I don't see how since theres been CC encryption since the advent of online purchasing) is fucking horrible and Sony is never going to get back the level of trust they once had.
The thing is, their CC encryption is shit. Crossposting from reddit:

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We know that credit card details, including CC number, expiry date and CVV were sent as GET requests in URLs to Sony's servers. The URLs sent look like this:

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creditCard.paymentMethodId=VISA&creditCard.holderName=Max&creditCard.cardNumber=45581234567812345678&creditCard.expireYear=2012&creditCard.expireMonth=2&creditCard.securityCode=214&creditCard.address.address1=example street%2024%20&creditCard.address.city=city1%20&creditCard.address.province=abc%20&creditCard.address.postalCode=12345%20
Since these were sent over SSL, they were encrypted while in transit but ultimately end up back in the same format on Sony's servers, and will almost certainly be stored in HTTP server logs in plaintext if nowhere else. The question is how long these logs are kept for and whether they resided on one of the servers which was compromised.

Here's a source: Report: PSN hacked, custom firmware could pose security risk to users (UPDATED)

Note that it's from 2 months ago

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Old Apr 26, 2011, 10:16 PM Local time: Apr 26, 2011, 08:16 PM #9 of 76
What a fucking mess. I never used my credit card on PSN, so there's that.

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Old Apr 26, 2011, 10:36 PM Local time: Apr 27, 2011, 11:36 AM #10 of 76
Ahahaha holy shit I just realized

From that article 2 months ago:

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The hackers joked that the next update will remove the PlayStation Network, just as Sony removed the Other OS feature when it became compromised.


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Old Apr 26, 2011, 11:46 PM #11 of 76
The thing is, their CC encryption is shit. Crossposting from reddit:




Here's a source: Report: PSN hacked, custom firmware could pose security risk to users (UPDATED)

Note that it's from 2 months ago
That is inexcusable. Best practice is best practice, for a reason, assholes.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
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Old Apr 27, 2011, 01:32 AM Local time: Apr 27, 2011, 12:32 AM 4 #12 of 76
It's also a good time to consider changing your credit card number!
Did this within an hour of reading the press release; between the option of putting a fraud alert on my card and potentially tripping it myself as I went out of country to the meet in a few weeks, figured this was the much better option.

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Check for emails from DoNotReply@ac.playstation.net to see which card they have on file. As for your password, well... right now you can't change or check it.
Hilariously fucked up: Only US accounts have gotten these emails, even though all regions everywhere had the information stolen. Clearly they just don't give a fuck. Awesome!

The only possible way I can think of to check passwords is if you saved the password in your browser and used their site or store.playstation.com for anything.

I'm lucky all mine are unique but still.

That said, saw this via GAF.



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Old Apr 27, 2011, 02:23 AM #13 of 76
What a clusterfuck of bullshit.

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old Apr 27, 2011, 05:35 AM #14 of 76
Sony Shuts Down PlayStation Network Indefinitely - Digits - WSJ

Sony shuts down PSN indefinitely

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Old Apr 27, 2011, 06:12 AM #15 of 76
They'll probably rebuild it with some new features and decide to make us pay for it.

sony are a bunch of jerks

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Old Apr 27, 2011, 06:21 AM #16 of 76
They'll probably rebuild it with some new features and decide to make us pay for it.
Uh, I'm pretty sure they're aware that would only compound the problem and then finish them off.

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Old Apr 27, 2011, 06:54 AM #17 of 76
LOL our card expires this month, so no biggie. SD went and changed all of his passwords though.

But wow @ indefinitely down psn. What a lame way to go. :\

I suppose we should give those psn cards a chance now?

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Old Apr 27, 2011, 10:33 AM Local time: Apr 27, 2011, 09:33 AM #18 of 76
This is really bad wording.

It's not down forever, it's down for the moment as they don't know when it's going back up. It's not gone. WSJ here is just being sensationalist.

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Old Apr 27, 2011, 11:22 AM 2 #19 of 76
This is really bad wording.

It's not down forever, it's down for the moment
Perhaps you need to look up what the word "indefinite" means before you complain about wording.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
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Old Apr 27, 2011, 12:22 PM Local time: Apr 27, 2011, 11:22 AM #20 of 76
Words have multiple meanings. You know as well as I do that indefinite can be and often is used as a synonym for unlimited or endless. Especially in business speak. That headline is a touch misleading, yes.

A better one would have used indeterminate. But this is picking nits. There's a tonne of misinformation out there right now.

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Old Apr 27, 2011, 01:11 PM Local time: Apr 27, 2011, 10:11 AM #21 of 76
Something to consider, and a reason for everyone to change their passwords regardless of how insane you get over all of this:

If you have a CC tied with your PSN account, even if they don't have the CC info itself, they can log into PSN accounts with said CC info and rack up a huge CC bill in psn purchases. This is unlikely, but something to note.

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old Apr 27, 2011, 02:40 PM Local time: Apr 27, 2011, 10:40 PM #22 of 76
Well, right now they can't, but should the service come back up, and people DON'T change their password, then yeah.

I think the bigger issue will be when the service does come back, and people don't change their security question. Or date of birth. Assuming Sony does not remove the option of resetting your password WITHOUT an email verification. Since you know, changing your password won't do much good if some dude has every other info one needs to reset the password.

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Old Apr 27, 2011, 03:18 PM 1 2 #23 of 76
Words have multiple meanings. You know as well as I do that indefinite can be and often is used as a synonym for unlimited or endless. Especially in business speak. That headline is a touch misleading, yes.
Uh, yes - words have many meanings and "indefinite" doesn't mean what you suggest unless you're a functioning illiterate?

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Old Apr 27, 2011, 03:58 PM Local time: Apr 27, 2011, 02:58 PM #24 of 76
I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying that the word is used often enough in other, obviously incorrect contexts that one can easily draw the wrong conclusion from it's usage.

Why is this rocket science for you?

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Old Apr 27, 2011, 04:02 PM 4 #25 of 76
Man I didn't really want to reply but "being a pedant is not the same as being smart" doesn't fit into the tag editor? Well, bye.

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