HDTV...a complaint

I think my 20" bulky phillips TV that I bought in 2000 is better than these HDTV's. I bought this TV yesterday http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTE...l_26%22to42%22 Well my pc hooked to it looks great, my xbox and ps2 and dvd player looks like shit on it. The quality looks like shit on it. I thought it being HD will make my games look at little better, but all it did was make it look like shit compared to my old TV. Nothing is wrong with my TV, every HDTV in the store looks horrible (they said it was due to the cable TV...), so I ended up wasting 1600$.

Are all HDTV's like this? I'm thinking of returning this and getting a plasma TV like in a year or two since the picture quality of a Plasma TV looks much better from what I've seen.

How ya doing, buddy?

...ofcourse your playstation looks like shit on a HDTV. The PS2 normally sends a 480i signal.. which is going to look horrid on any HD set.

Hell, the PS2 looks horrid on any good display period. The PS2 has no form of AA so everything looks aliased. The thing is meant to be played on regular definition televisions. Playing it on higher sets just shows off all the ugly.

The only time the PS2 looks a little bit better on a HD set is when you're playing a game that outputs a progressive signal. But not many games do this. And those are still only what? 480p?

It's not the hardware that is at fault. It's you who are at fault for expecting things that are outputting a lower signal to look decent on something that takes a higher one.

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It's like the idiots who buy a surround system and hook it up using RCA cables.

"MAN, SURROUND SOUND SUCKS"

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Are your dvd player, xbox or ps2 hooked up via component cables?
Also, that's Sony's new tv. If you use the right connections, it'll truly shine. We just got them in stock at Best Buy last week.

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No HDTV's suck, period. I've seen ps2's and xbox played on Plasma TV's and they look way better. Shit screw the gaming, even my DVD player hooked to it looks horrible.

How ya doing, buddy?

I bet your DVD player is connected to it through Svideo or composite, eh?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I'm thinking Shonos is right.

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I like how plasmas are classified as HDTVs.

Also, this guy comes home with a Sony, then complains that it looks terrible. Am I even supposed to be surprised, or what.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Your PS2, Xbox, and DVD player are gonna look like crap on ANY HDTV, be it CRT, LCD, DLP, or Plasma, if you don't use any decent connectivity on it.

Hook up the PS2 and Xbox via component (And be sure to turn on progressive scan.), and the DVD player with Component, DVI, or HDMI (And use a GOOD DVD player, like the Oppo PDV971H or something) and then you'll see the light.

And of course, using it for actual high definition content, like an Xbox 360 or your computer, will look great on it.

Spoiler:

Goddamn, people, do your damn homework before buying a new TV.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I got a monster cable for my xbox which doesnt improve shit even watching a movie on it sucks. Not sure what my DVD player was using, some bulky wires which I returned today (damn thing costed 39$).

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I'm pretty sure that he purchased Monster RCA cables.

Spoiler:

::everyone laughs::

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Devo, you're my hero.

Don't get discouraged with your HDTV. HDTVs look great with HD sources, using HD complient cables. Component cables deliver a HD signal via an analog connection. HDMI (High Definition Multimedia Interface) cables deliver a HD video signal, and digital audio via a digital connection. Standard definition picture quality on a HDTV however, varies.

If you like, you can purchase a upconvert dvd player, which uses a HDMI cable, and upconverts your DVDs to HD; you can choose 480p, 720, or 1080i. The Toshiba SD-4980 dvd player at Best Buy, is $79, and the least expensive HDMI cable, an Acoustic Research, is $54.99 (atleast at my local Best Buy). DVD Upconversion of course, is not as nice as a true native HD resolution, but its a bit of an improvement. Have an employee at your place of purchase, SHOW you the difference. Just tell them "Oh I'm thinking of buying a HDMI cable with an Upconvert dvd player but I dunno. Maybe you can show me what it looks like?" They practically be wetting themselves with excitment. Cables are a huge profit margin for stores.

Later on down the line, when you get a Xbox 360 and Playstation 3, you'll be much more satisfied with the connection, and resulting picture quality. For example, 360 runs Halo 2 at 720p, which looks amazing when compared to running it on a xbox. Playstation 3 will run ALL legacy (legacy being PS1, PS2) games at high definition.

edit: added more information about upconvert dvd players

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Originally Posted by LivingDreams

I got a monster cable for my xbox which doesnt improve shit even watching a movie on it sucks. Not sure what my DVD player was using, some bulky wires which I returned today (damn thing costed 39$).

... >_>

It's really simple. I want you to go back to the store and walk into your Audio/Video section. I know it's scary but I'm sure you can handle it. Now get those shiny new component cables.

It says in big bold letters

C O M P O N E N T C A B L E

You know, the big black cord that ends in blue, green, and red? Yeah see those plug into the tv with the matching colors!

All you have to do is plug them in. Yes it's really that simple~

I was speaking idiomatically.

After pluggin them into the dvd player, LivingDreams might want to set it to progressive scan.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Btw shouldnt a DVD look better when I play it on my computer that hooked to the HDTV? Cause it looks the same when played on a dvd player, ps2 or xbox.

FELIPE NO

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Btw shouldnt a DVD look better when I play it on my computer that hooked to the HDTV? Cause it looks the same when played on a dvd player, ps2 or xbox.

Only if your HDTV supports DVI in.

How ya doing, buddy?

That TV have a ATSC digital tuner. Try watching some primetime shows in HD.

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Originally Posted by LivingDreams

No HDTV's suck, period. I've seen ps2's and xbox played on Plasma TV's and they look way better. Shit screw the gaming, even my DVD player hooked to it looks horrible.

Shit in is shit out, son. HDTV isn't a miracle device that turns crap into diamonds, it's a device which takes advantage of certain features that are available on certain devices.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Yup, I tried playing PS2 with the A/V cables that come in the box; looks like shit. My guess is the HD is emphasizing the lack of detail, making it look actually worse on a high definition set than it would on a standard def television.

Get some component cables, punk.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

The problem is exacerbated on non-CRT HDTVs.

Regular content on LCDs are not only interlaced, but also don't meet the native res, so it's painful to watch.

How ya doing, buddy?

Congratulations on buying a way overpriced HDTV regardless.

Buying a new tv for PS2/xbox/GC games is a waste of time, mostly because the highest possibly quality you can get out of them is from either a PS2 SCART cable, or an upscan convertor.

The only console to ever properly upscan it's quality was the Dreamcast. You can buy a VGA adaptor for Dreamcast and all the games will look like HDTV quality on your monitor. Buying a VGA adaptor for PS2, Gamecube or xbox is otherwise pointless because it won't upscan properly. The best possible quality out of a PS2/GC/XBX title would be from a monitor fed through an upscan convertor. Like this one.

If you have a 360, it's just a matter of using component cables or SCART on your new tv. However for other consoles in this current generation, for example PS2: Most games are 15KHz, and if you try using a typical VGA adaptor with them you end up with some disaster like this:


Ibara for PS2 on a monitor via a VGA adaptor without upscan.

What you need to do, is something sensible! This is an easy process: Return tv to store, use 1/10th the price to buy an upscan covertor, and enjoy your HDTV-like games.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Actually, the Xbox has a great solution:

http://www.x2vga.com/

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

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It says "Component Video Input offers the best video quality for DVD (480p and 480i), and digital set-top box (1080i, 720p, 480p and 480i) connections."
Does that mean I need to get a digital set-top-box for the ps3 or xbox 2 if I wanna play it at 1080i? Or is that only for tv broadcast?

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by LivingDreams

It says "Component Video Input offers the best video quality for DVD (480p and 480i), and digital set-top box (1080i, 720p, 480p and 480i) connections."
Does that mean I need to get a digital set-top-box for the ps3 or xbox 2 if I wanna play it at 1080i? Or is that only for tv broadcast?

No, set-top boxes are only for broadcast TV shows. If you've subscribed to your cable company's HD package, they'll send you a new cable box with a component out on the back as well as DVI or HDMI. Technically, keeping the signal digital for as long as possible will keep the picture quality high, but component is fine.

The PS3 and Xbox 360 will simply output an HD resolution (be it 720p, 1080i or 1080p) and the TV then takes the signal and scales it to whatever the TV's native resolution is.

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I've seen the Gamecube Progressive Scan on HD TVs (And Computer Monitors) and it looks awesome. It's the device's capabilities, not the TV. :\

Jam it back in, in the dark.