Dead Son will become New Father

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I thought that this article was very interesting. It makes me curious on who the mom exactly is.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

That's kind of insane. Talk about not being able to let go.

I don't think it's fair to take a dead guy's sperm and inject it into a perfect stranger who is willing to carry dead man's baby.

Personally, I think the soldier's mom should let it go - face reality and come to the painful conclusion that her son is dead. I can't imagine injecting some stranger with my dead son's sperm and getting myself a brand new grandson.

I think it's obsurb. But I am sure some will surely disagree with me.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

I think it's absurb. But I am sure some will surely disagree with me.

Probably. I'm not one of them though. It seems lilke we only have the mother's word that he wanted to be a father in any case, so I can't help but see this as trampling on his rights, and his dignity to a certain extent. How can we know that he would want this? A lot of people might say they want children some day, but how many are entirely certain? How many follow through with it? I doubt it is all of them. The majority, perhaps do, but not all.

Even if he did want a child, he probably wanted to have it with someone he was in love with. That's the way it is done. Most people seem want to have children because they dream of raising it with their partner. If it was enough to just have a biological offspring 'out there' somewhere, then you would probably see a lot more babies put up for adoption.

From the comments: "You deserve to be a grandmother".

What.

Seriously.... what?

How exactly does one deserve to be a grandmother? Does that mean that if my parents deserve to be grandparents, then I would be a bad son if I don't provide them? I don't think so, ya know. My life just isn't going in that direction right now, and it might never go there. I don't feel like a bad son.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Soluzar

Even if he did want a child, he probably wanted to have it with someone he was in love with. That's the way it is done. Most people want to have children because they dream of raising it with their partner. If that wasn't the case, you'd see a whole lot of adoptions, if just having a child was enough.

I was considering raising that point (about being in love with someone), but I thought it was a little too wishy-washy. But yea, I believe that.

I do not, by any means, feel that the mother should pick the mother of her grand daughter. It seems like she just wants a grand kid at any cost. Sure, it may not be! I mean, afterall, she dreamed of her son coming to her and asking where his kid is! Thats not projection at all!

I just wish people were a little less adamant about their own desires, I guess. I don't think you should be allowed to extract sperm from a corpse to reproduce in any circumstances (I could have to eat those words - I just can't think of any circumstances where it would be an absolutely necessary thing).

It seems almost greed-driven, in a way. I want to slap the bitch.

EDIT: Man, YOU edited. ;_;

Yea, see? She just wants to "be a grandmother." The woman is a crackpot. Take her behind the chemical shed and shoot her. ^_^

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass

I was considering raising that point (about being in love with someone), but I thought it was a little too wishy-washy. But yea, I believe that.

I really do believe it. Imagine that he's watching right now. This satisfies his dream, presuming that it was really a dream he had? I don't think so - his dream involved a loving wife and a good job, most likely. It probably involved getting to hold his child, and be a part of the life of that child as it grew older.

It may be a wishy-washy argument, but it pokes a dozen or more holes in the mother's claim that she's doing this for her son.

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I do not, by any means, feel that the mother should pick the mother of her grand daughter. It seems like she just wants a grand kid at any cost. Sure, it may not be! I mean, afterall, she dreamed of her son coming to her and asking where his kid is! Thats not projection at all!

I just wish people were a little less adamant about their own desires, I guess.

Or at least a little more honest. If she would just say that she wanted this grandkid for herself, I could at least not laugh at her. As it is, I just see her being dishonest to herself and to others, and trying to pretend that her selfish desires are anything but.

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It seems almost greed-driven, in a way. I want to slap the bitch.

You said it. I don't think I'd go as far as a slap, but it's purely self-centred behaviour. The fact that she is claiming that it's all for her son is just irritating. Probably most women with kids would like to be a grandmother, but this is no way to go about it.

Editing my posts when I get extra thoughts is a bad habit, I'm trying to break myself of it. I need to think more before I hit that "submit" button. I didn't change my main point too much though. I just made it look more tidy.

How ya doing, buddy?

The case probably went through because he probably expressed it in his will or there were multiple witnesses. Though because it took 4 years, It probably didn't take as long as thought.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Article

It was a mother's instinct that led Cohen to request doctors to freeze her dead son’s sperm. Cohen said she had a dream one year after her son died.

"He appeared in my dream and asked me, mom what’s with my child? Please hurry," said Cohen. "I woke up with a big sweat and decided to go ahead, all the way."

Wow, if there was ever someone in need of grief counseling she's it. That dream bit makes her sound like a really screwed up Kevin Costner. If you freeze it, they will come...

What kind of "mother's instinct" is harvesting sperm from your son's corpse? Not only is that a highly disturbing way of dealing with the loss, but it's not fair to the child or the memory of her son. This woman is using the grandchild as a replacement, and no one should have to be born with that kind of burden. Its life will already be rough enough with the knowledge that it came from the frozen sperm of a long-since dead man without adding that kind of pressure.

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What will happen to the child after it's born? It sounds like this woman all-too excited to be a grandmother is expecting to have it for herself. Will the mother even get a chance to raise the child, or will it be snatched away by the grandmother?

I can just see any arguments now...
"It's MY child!"
"I'm the one who ALLOWED you to have that child! I could have picked any of 200 women, you should be GRATEFUL!"

Ah, the drama.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

It's odd, sure, but so what? The son's dead. If he was an only child, perhaps he WAS concerned with legacy. Even if not, he's dead. If his family was concerned about it, that should be enough too.

I'm hearing this argument "Let's end a bloodline because it might be disrespectful to the corpse." Come on.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Does that mean you accept that if it were necessary to extend the bloodline it'd be acceptable?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

They way I see this, this is selfish. Think about it. The little kid is going to grow up with no father. Even more so the kid is going to find out that daddy died before he/she was even born. Isn't that being rather calous to the child?

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I can't believe that they do that extraction stuff!

I agree though, its kinda selfish as it gives nothing to the kid in terms of positivity. Hopefully the child will be strong and very independent that it won't affect the child's life.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

The Judge probably ruled in favor of the mother because the son was probably an only son and they wanted to continue the lineage.

Still rather Calouse.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I'm rather disturbed by the whole thing.
The mother should've learned to let it go, even if that was her sons wish to become a father it would've been with a woman he knew, loved and wanted to have a child with. Not some stranger that his mother picked out.
Secondly why would any women really want to mother a dead mans child? I know that many women want children and pay for them to have them and never actually know who the father is. But a dead mans child is a bit weird.
Thirdly it's not really fair to the child is it.
"Mommy wheres daddy?"
"Well you see, he died four years before you were born, I was picked out of 200 women to have you."
Not a nice thought.

Also, what happens is the mother wants a grandson and she gives her a granddaughter? Is she going to be mad with the woman about it?
Could the mom turn round and say thats my sons child I want custody? And what happens if the pregnancy fails or something? will she try it again or will she interview another 200 women for the job?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

This woman has issues.
I have to agree with many of the comments on the article and the posts made so far.

What this woman is doing seems quite selfish. Yes I am sure her son's dream was to have a child and family, but he would need to be alive to do that, seeing that he is now gone, his mother is obviously doing this for herself.

I really liked how the article said "It was a mother's instinct that led Cohen to request doctors to freeze her dead son’s sperm."
I have never heard of any mother saying, 'my poor son is dead, quickly! save the sperm!' what kind of instinct is that?

I agree that once the child is born, there is going to be a custody battle between the new mother and grandmother. I can only imagine how that is going to turn out, let alone what the kid is going to think when it gets old enough to figure out what is going on.

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