elliptical training or jogging?

I want to lose weight, whats better for this,
jogging?

or an elliptical trainer?


id be able to jog for about 10 minutes at a time to start, i can do elliptical almost endlessly it seems.

thanks

How ya doing, buddy?

An eleptical trainer is WAY better. You get the exact same workout as jogging if you do it right, but there's no impact on your joints and you also work out your arms and abs at the same time. Jogging is free, though, and that definitely counts for something.

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I think alice gave away the secret to how she manages to look like a hottie. Yeah, screw jogging unless it's fairly "light". Even a stationary cycle is better (which is what I use) and they're probably cheaper than an elliptical trainer. "ELLIPTICAL" - man, that's tricky to spell at 2AM in the dark.

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Originally Posted by Ulysses

I think alice gave away the secret to how she manages to look like a hottie. Yeah, screw jogging unless it's fairly "light". Even a stationary cycle is better (which is what I use) and they're probably cheaper than an elliptical trainer. "ELLIPTICAL" - man, that's tricky to spell at 2AM in the dark.

Not once did she say "have naturally huge tits and be an unsatisfied house wife willing to let bad people do horrible things to her body." So no, her secret is safe.

How ya doing, buddy?

I swim everyday. after work I head straight to the pool and swim laps for a hour and 15 mins and go home to play some DDR. I am actually doing this to gain weight cuz food dosn't do it for me. I have gained 5 pounds of muscle weight, so that is good!

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

Not once did she say "have naturally huge tits and be an unsatisfied house wife willing to let bad people do horrible things to her body." So no, her secret is safe.

Well NOT ANYMORE! :O

Fuck Santa, I'd want another beardy weirdy - Deni - to come down the chimney. We'd talk long into the night about how materialism is destroying society and eat pies.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Ulysses

Well NOT ANYMORE! :O

Fuck Santa, I'd want another beardy weirdy - Deni - to come down the chimney. We'd talk long into the night about how materialism is destroying society and eat pies.

I've always said I'd make a great buddhist if I didn't like stuff so much. Secret of Mana > Enlightenment.

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Buddha only doesn't want you to have stuff so have can have more for HIMSELF! Isn't it obvious?

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I'm just like that too; if I try or actually run somewhere, I can last maybe 'bout a few minutes. If I'm on an elliptical machine, I can go for much longer.

Guess it's 'cause my knees hurt a lot when I jog (unless I "bounce" in my steps), and I'm not overweight (at least, I don't think I am...). Anyways, we have free gym access in our college, so my friend and I always use the elliptical training machine. I suppose it just depends on how much you're willing to spend on gym passes (or purchasing your own machine, though they're pretty big and expensive)

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I don't see what folks complain about jogging or joint-aches for. I probably have more injuries than most folks, and it doesn't bother me. I've got a bum leg, to boot. If you get joint pains easily from jogging, then maybe you just aren't used to it. Do extensive stretching (10 minutes) prior to running. Run half an hour. Finish up with more stretching (10 minutes), then do abwork and what-have-you.

Typically, I stretch, run, stretch, do other exercises (bodyweight typically), then run and stretch again. It's a cardio & leg workout that does wonders.

But then again, I'm biased. I'm a big fan of old-fashioned workout techniques. I do solely bodyweight exercises now and don't rely on any machinery.

The main cause of joint pain while running would probably be due to running on cement or something very solid. If possible, stick to a cork-floored track. Run in very thin-soled shoes, as the best workout for your legs (and feet/ankle regions) is running almost barefoot. Ideal conditions would be running (while barefoot) on grassy terrain, as the ground isn't too hard and your ligaments have to adjust differently with each step. However, most grassy places nowadays aren't safe to run barefoot in >>;

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Originally Posted by Denicalis

Not once did she say "have naturally huge tits and be an unsatisfied house wife willing to let bad people do horrible things to her body." So no, her secret is safe.

I eagerly await the day one of Alice's sons becomes a member of this forum.

But as far as the exercise is concerned, I'd do elliptical. You can watch TV or read. I find just listening to music and jogging so mundane.

Personally for cardio though, I prefer jump rope.

How ya doing, buddy?

You want to lose weight? Clean up your diet. Cardio means jack shit if your diet sucks. But you don't want to hear that. So do interval sprints up a hill. Twenty minutes per session, alternating between sprinting and jogging every minute and a half.

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I think it depends on what makes you more productive at exercising, whatever you find more enjoyable, you'll do more of more often and that's what really counts in the end.

I do both jogging and elliptical, just because I like how jogging makes me work out harder while the ellipitcal makes me work out longer. But that's just me.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I enjoy jogging more than anything else, especially when listening to music. I like the feeling that I am moving about.

Some of my friends ask me why I don't use the machinery for running, etc., its just mainly because I want purpose with my exercise.... even if in means running in large ovals.

But I guess for overall workout and satisfaction, jogging may not be the best.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

The joint pain doesn't happen while you're working out, and generally people your age won't be bothered by it. When you get my age, though, you will not want to do anything high-impact like that.

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I can't really force myself to do jogging or any kind of elliptical training because if I don't find it fun I'm not going to enjoy it.

I've been playing Dance Dance Revolution/In The Groove over the last three years. Over that time frame I've lost over 45 pounds. I am 6'1 and the lowest weight I reached was about 200 pounds. Unfortunately I've gained at least 20pounds since moving away to work. I guess when your working 15 hour days and you have no idea when your going to have your next day off its hard to have any free time to yourself to exercise.

I can't wait to get home and start playing my dancing game at home and at the arcade. Most days I usually play for 2-3 hours per day and I tell you this much, by the end of it I'm in a very sweaty mess. I personally think its great way to workout and its kept my weight down and I also consider it fun which is definetely one of the reasons why I'm still into it.

I will say its not for everybody, I also like to go downhill skiing; I have to thank my gf for getting me into that, and she is also going to help me conquer my fear of water when I come home for the christmas holidays. So I wouldn't be surprised if I took up swimming as well.

If I had any free time, I would like to have the occassional game of basketball, table tennis, and when I was in university I always enjoyed playing ultimate frisbee with all the visual arts and theatre students. They always had a rivalry going on at the university I went to.

So basically, in terms of exercise, do whatever you feel like you'll enjoy. Don't do anything that makes it seem like a chore. As long as you enjoy it each and every day you'll feel more motivated to do it.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland

The joint pain doesn't happen while you're working out, and generally people your age won't be bothered by it. When you get my age, though, you will not want to do anything high-impact like that.

High impact? I thought we were talking about jogging? Not pulling up stumps with our teeth.

Also, your still young and vibrant, Alice.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Yeah, what *AkirA* said =I We're talking about jogging, not football. However, sprints will fuckin' kill you in later years (I don't do 'em until the last lap of my running, to bottom out my stamina). But hell, my 75 & 80 year old grandma and grandpa (respectively) jog a mile every day. Never heard them complain.

If some people can do it for over an hour on end without aches, then it ain't high-impact. It's moreso a matter of just not being used to it. Got joint aches while running? Do Hindu Squats and Pistons. Those'll get your ligaments and joints fine-tuned.

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I consider elliptical training the more feminine thing to do, so GO FOR IT! Yeah, in my college gym, you only ever see girls using those machines. :/

That said, I'd prefer jogging/running over them, but I'd rather play sports, usually either soccer or basketball (or DDR! but I haven't done that for a while); work on reflex muscles. endurance, coordination, and all that jazz.

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Why jog? Do you think you're burning more calories because you break a sweat and pant a little? Eat broccoli. Raw. Put down your Lays and slice some cucumbers. Drop the Dr. Pepper and have some water. Have a salad. Hold the dressing. Make a sandwich. Hold the mayo. Eat meats and beans. Lay off the nuts. They're a double edged blade. Now you're ready to not only take a jog, but also notice results and have more energy to waste. Hell. Who cares what you do. Ride a bike. Walk on the ceiling. Spin a web. Anything to show those folds a little light of day.

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Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland

An eleptical trainer is WAY better. You get the exact same workout as jogging if you do it right, but there's no impact on your joints and you also work out your arms and abs at the same time. Jogging is free, though, and that definitely counts for something.

Alice is correct on all points. As well as in her later posts in this thread. Jogging and running is inherently good short-term, bad long-term. I know chiropractors and other "joint doctors" (as I like to call them) who kind of laugh and smile every time they see someone over the age of 30 running or jogging, and when I asked them why, invariably they would say "Well I feel bad for smiling about it, I just marvel at the stupidity of those people. And I'm also sort of smiling because if they keep it up, they're gonna be my patient in a few years." Just like girls who dance all their lives - invariably they develop hip and back problems. My three older sisters danced for years, and all have had problems.

Ellipticals reduce impact and therefore stress, ergo it goes easy on your joints but still works out the muscles in what is usually a more efficient manner.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Take a walk instead, for like a hour. Burns fat like nothing else. Walk swiftly but not jogging. And you work on your leg muscles at the same time, and you get some fresh air. we boxers do it to lose weight, trust me it works.

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Originally Posted by Leveless

Why jog? Do you think you're burning more calories because you break a sweat and pant a little? Eat broccoli. Raw. Put down your Lays and slice some cucumbers. Drop the Dr. Pepper and have some water. Have a salad. Hold the dressing. Make a sandwich. Hold the mayo. Eat meats and beans. Lay off the nuts. They're a double edged blade. Now you're ready to not only take a jog, but also notice results and have more energy to waste. Hell. Who cares what you do. Ride a bike. Walk on the ceiling. Spin a web. Anything to show those folds a little light of day.

This is not really good advice (well, some of it is okay). There's nothing wrong with fat. The fact that people fear fat and eat a lot of carbs instead is the reason everyone's fat. An olive oil dressing is full of good fats, as are nuts. Sandwiches are generally bad ideas.

A good strategy is to try to limit your carb intake to breakfast and after workout, and save fat for later in the day. Get rid of starches and breads. Drop all sugary drinks. Eat protein at every meal; protein has a much greater thermic effect than carbs and fats (i.e. it boosts your metabolism). Eat OFTEN (six meals a day, roughly). These are basic things, but there are so many misconceptions out there.

Originally Posted by Zip

Take a walk instead, for like a hour. Burns fat like nothing else. Walk swiftly but not jogging. And you work on your leg muscles at the same time, and you get some fresh air. we boxers do it to lose weight, trust me it works.

Come on, cardio is catabolic, plain and simple. You're lucky if you don't lose muscle. This is why short sessions of interval sprints are great. Look at any endurance athlete's legs--they're absolutely pathetic.

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Mm, Will has some good points here on weight. Carbs are the biggest problem when it comes to people getting fattened up. If you are going to eat carbs, make sure you've eaten them all before 12 noon, 2 PM at the very latest. As he said, limit it to breakfast and after workout. And eat often, because if you give your body what it needs and don't stuff it full of carbs that it doesn't know what to do with, it will have the fuel to burn off what you don't need.

But, that being said, cardio is good in a lot of ways - but not for muscle. It's cardio, it's not weight training. You want to increase your endurance and how far you can go on your next jog (or how much longer on ellipticals) that's fine, but don't expect to build a lot of muscle. You'll burn fat too, I'm sure, but most people seem to make the mistake of thinking that the harder their heart is pounding, the more fat they'll burn. Try going for a moderately fast but steady heart-rate while you work out. It keeps your blood flowing to where it needs to be but doesn't overwhelm your system.

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Originally Posted by Will

This is not really good advice (well, some of it is okay). There's nothing wrong with fat. The fact that people fear fat and eat a lot of carbs instead is the reason everyone's fat. An olive oil dressing is full of good fats, as are nuts. Sandwiches are generally bad ideas.

A good strategy is to try to limit your carb intake to breakfast and after workout, and save fat for later in the day. Get rid of starches and breads. Drop all sugary drinks. Eat protein at every meal; protein has a much greater thermic effect than carbs and fats (i.e. it boosts your metabolism). Eat OFTEN (six meals a day, roughly). These are basic things, but there are so many misconceptions out there.

Your approach is wonderful assuming that the dieter is ambitous enough to work out, but you may have missed a point. The plan is that this person is willing to jog for...10 minutes a day. There's a fair chance that they'll only jog 5 minutes, then turn around and jog halfway back and walk the last block or two. But let's just assume they do jog for 10 minutes. You have to start somewhere, right? Maybe they'll even gradually take up a routine that actually impacts their physique. In that case, certain fats can be considered good as well as certain eating habits. As of now, there is no contrast. You need to get fit to stay fit and you get fit by sweating, foremost. And there's a difference between being fit and not being fat. There's also a difference between a heart attack and cardiac arrest.

How ya doing, buddy?