Mixed Martial Arts V.2

MMA is becoming more mainstream these days, hopefully there are more GFFers that follow the sport now.

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So, UFC 58 is tonight. GSP vs Penn is going to be a war. I'm definitely rooting for GSP. That guy needs to get another title shot. I also don't like Penn's arrogance. Also, GSP is from Montreal, gotta root for the hometown kid. Speaking of which, WAR CROW. I'd like to see him win, but Franklin's a good guy too.

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Am I the only MMA Fan? So ya. . . UFC 58 was really good. Props to Hominick on his win over Yves Edwards. That was really unexpected. I'm glad that my boy GSP came out on top. I wrote him a nice email. A friend of mine knows his best friend and told me that he's going to try to get GSP to come out for drinks with us (awesome!). Loiseau took a beating, but hopefully he'll bounce back like GSP did after the Hughes loss and dominate his division, earning himself another title shot.

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Haha.. I'm also an MMA fan. I've just never really looked at this forum. As for UFC, I don't really watch it. Maybe if I watched Ultimate fighter or something, I'd get more into it. Personally, I think elbows aren't really a good thing to have in MMA. From what I've seen, it makes early doctor stoppage more likely... and really, no one likes that.

I'm more into Pride FC, and recently K-1 Heros. Genki Sudo has a lot of fights in K-1, so I've been checking that out. Gomi, Sudo, Sakuraba, and pretty much all the current champions are my favorites.

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I'm surprised someone bothered to make a thread for this. I tried to a while back and the same thing happened....

I'm also a UFC, Pride and K-1 fan though is been a while since I've watched it. Doesn't seem to popular here in Australia ;_;

They need a Fight Club of some type here...

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There doesn't seem to be many people who actually watch that kinda stuff here I take it. Any good forums for mma fans? The trackers are hard to come by as well... -_-

I was speaking idiomatically.

Did anyone watch Shamrock vs Ortiz 3?

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That was such a complete letdown man. Shamrock got his ass whooped for the third 3 in a row, in the same position and with the same technique by Ortiz.

A letdown I tell you. Fight didn't even last 2 minutes.

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Letdown? Were you expecting anything else from that fight? I want to watch quality MMA bouts, like Silva vs Franklin. Also, it's going to be fun to watch Florian get dominated by Sherk.

I just watched a highlight video of Shinya Aoki... wow... that man has RIDICULOUS grappling skills.

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Originally Posted by Kamui

That was such a complete letdown man. Shamrock got his ass whooped for the third 3 in a row, in the same position and with the same technique by Ortiz.

A letdown I tell you. Fight didn't even last 2 minutes.

What I want to know, is why the hell did Shamrock even sign up for the match. He's fucking old, and Tito is in his prime. Maybe he was thinking... "if I can just get that old heel hook on him that I used to use." The only thing interesting about the match was how they seemed to burry the hatchet afterwards. And it happened even after Tito flips him the bird and puts on that shirt.

The matches that I'm looking most forward to seeing are in the PRIDE FC Real Deal event in Las Vegas coming up. I want to see Mark Coleman get crushed by Fedor Emelianenko. He deserves it after that bullshit the last time he fought when Shogun Rua got his arm broken. Shogun vs Randelman should be an interesting fight, but my money's on Shogun. He's just too dynamic.

For some reason, I don't see the UFC fighters being as good as a lot of the PRIDE fighters. PRIDE seems a lot more dangerous, considering the difference in rules. Even though they can't throw elbows, they can do head stomps, and kicks to the head while they're on the ground. Not allowing elbows to the face is a better way to rule it IMO merely for the fact that I hate seeing matches called because of a cut over somebody's eye. Fedor Emelianenko's only loss in his MMA career was due to a match being called because of a cut. Also, I really don't see any UFC fighter being able to take on some of the PRIDE FC fighters like Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović, or even Alexander Emelianenko.

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Originally Posted by Mucknuggle

Letdown? Were you expecting anything else from that fight? I want to watch quality MMA bouts, like Silva vs Franklin. Also, it's going to be fun to watch Florian get dominated by Sherk.

I just watched a highlight video of Shinya Aoki... wow... that man has RIDICULOUS grappling skills.

I don't understand what Shamrock's gameplan even was. He got totally overpowered and GnPed yet again. I'm glad the guy retired... I would love to see one last fight between Bas and Shamrock though.

My money is on Shogun too. Randelman is kinda one-dimensional. I don't think he can stand too well with Shogun, and Shogun is pretty hard to get onto the ground.

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Well, if anybody has a shot of taking him to the ground it might be Randelman. Remember the match between Randelman and Fedor where he dropped him on his head?! I'm pulling for Shogun as well, but either way, it should be an awesome match.

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Originally Posted by MetheGelfling

The matches that I'm looking most forward to seeing are in the PRIDE FC Real Deal event in Las Vegas coming up. I want to see Mark Coleman get crushed by Fedor Emelianenko. He deserves it after that bullshit the last time he fought when Shogun Rua got his arm broken. Shogun vs Randelman should be an interesting fight, but my money's on Shogun. He's just too dynamic.

BS? More like Shogun doesn't know how to defend a takedown. That was a legit win for Coleman. Lay off the Haterade.

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For some reason, I don't see the UFC fighters being as good as a lot of the PRIDE fighters. PRIDE seems a lot more dangerous, considering the difference in rules. Even though they can't throw elbows, they can do head stomps, and kicks to the head while they're on the ground. Not allowing elbows to the face is a better way to rule it IMO merely for the fact that I hate seeing matches called because of a cut over somebody's eye. Fedor Emelianenko's only loss in his MMA career was due to a match being called because of a cut. Also, I really don't see any UFC fighter being able to take on some of the PRIDE FC fighters like Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović, or even Alexander Emelianenko.

Not as good as the Pride FC guys? It depends on the division. The UFC now has a pretty stacked LW division. I could see Sherk giving a lot of the guys in Pride trouble. Then there's Jens Pulver, Hermes Franca, Clayton Guida, Tyson Griffin, etc... Pride FC has more top 10 talent in that division IMO, but the UFC division is solid.

Pride FC doesn't have a WW division, so I'll ignore that. As for MW, Rich Franklin, Terrell, Silva and a bunch of others make the UFC entertaining. Silva is definitely top 3 in my mind. Lindland is up there somewhere, either #1 or #2, I'm not sure which. Pride has some awesome talent in that division as well. Filho, Suolev, Kang (!!), etc... I'd really like to see some cross promotional matches in this division - especially since Silva has improved his ground game since his last outing in Pride.

LHW and HW is no contest - Pride wins easily. The UFC has who? Liddell and Tito? At HW they have... Arlovski. Besides him, maybe only Vera would do well in Pride. Sylvia is a joke.

Re: elbows. Leave em in. It adds more to the fight. GnP with elbows is totally different from GnP without elbows. Yes, they cut, but so do knees to the head of a downed opponent and punches. There's nothing wrong with elbows. In fact, I'd say that it makes it more entertaining. I'd love to see the US rules add in kicks and kness to the head of a downed opponent. That would really shake things up for the wrestlers in the UFC as they'd have to worry about turning into a Sakuraba vs. Arona if they fought against a guy with a good sprawl. I could do without stomps though - they look way too dangerous compared to the rest, especially when you see huge guys like Shogun JUMPING and putting their entire body weight behind the stomp.

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Originally Posted by Mucknuggle

BS? More like Shogun doesn't know how to defend a takedown. That was a legit win for Coleman. Lay off the Haterade.

Dude, did you even watch that match? It was a freak accident hyperextended elbow. Hardly what I'd call a legit win. Afterwards the ref tried to stop Coleman from continuing the match, but Coleman threw the ref to the side and kept at him. Last I checked, when a ref calls a match, you stop. And under no circumstances do you manhandle a ref. It was terrible sportsmanship on Coleman's part.

I was speaking idiomatically.

The elbow injury was a direct result of Shogun placing his arm in a horrible position while trying to defend the take down. The joint couldn't resist the force of the fall, hence, it got fucked up. He wouldn't have been injured like that had he not used poor form in his takedown def.

I was expecting Shogun to defeat Coleman, but tonight I'm rooting for Randleman. That guy has just not been where it's at mentally in like half of his fights, but he seems prepared tonight. When Randleman is on, he can take out the best (see Randleman vs Filipovic 1). The man has tons of heart.

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In defense again of that elbow injury; it was Coleman doing the same thing he always does... run in and grab the leg. And besides, he fell... it wasn't a result of defense.

Coleman's run in and grab the leg technique didn't do so well against Fedor. It was good to see Coleman humbled, although it was stupid as to how much camera time he got when all he was doing was bleeding and crying all over his teamates and kids. During half of the interview with the greatest fighter in the world, all the camera guys showed was Coleman leaving the arena.

Randleman also, was too cocky and emotionally charged for the fight. He's lucky Shogun didn't break his fucking leg. And what the fuck was with Randleman hanging on the ropes? He knows it's not allowed. He was merely stalling the inevitable.

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There wasn't really anywhere for Randleman to go, he sorta looked like he was about to get pushed out at one point... I'd say its natural instinct to grab onto the ropes sometimes.

I'm looking forward to seeing Shogun improve and grow as a fighter, but I don't think there's any way he'll be able to take Fedor in the near future.

I think all in all Coleman, even before the fight realized that Fedor was the best fighter already. I give him props for the insanely quick single leg, but he's just too one dimensional. Against fighters with good takedown defense, his weapons are severely limited.

And hateration is given where it's due. Not stopping when the ref tells you a fight is over is an act worthy of it.

Anderson Silva is trained by the nog brothers if that gives any indication to his level of skill. But Franklin being one of the top 3? That's kinda sad. He didn't do anything to try and escape Silva's clinch. My prediction is that Silva stays champion for a long while.

Oh, and the elbow thing I must disagree with. They cause cuts a whole lot more than knees do. I'm not gonna go and count every case, but I'd hypothesize that cuts from elbows cause at least twice as many doctor stoppages than those from knees and footstomps combined. In my mind, mma is still a sport, and not streetfighting. To get better quality fights, you don't want fights to end prematurely. The danger involved with it really isn't the issue... they know what they're getting into. Its the entertainment value.

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Humbled? Coleman went in their knowing that he didn't have much chance against Fedor. He admitted that the man is THE best fighter. Randleman is always emotionally charged like that. It's what he does. I just wish that he would channel some of that energy into learning SUBMISSION DEFENSE. Seriously, Hammerhouse knows nothing but wrestling.

Somebody at Sherdog actually analyzed the whole elbow stoppage thing (due to cuts). It really wasn't as big of a deal as everybody claims it to be. Seriously, fights don't get stopped due to elbow cuts that often.

Was anybody else impressed by Nastula? He really brought it to Barnett (who really needs to take a break - he's had 7 fights this year). I'm looking forward to more Pride in the US. I hope that they can eventually convince the athletic commissions to allow knees to downed fighters. Knees + elbows in the same org would be amazing, but that's apparently never going to happen. The Pride execs think that elbows cut too much and stop too many fights (cut yes, stop too many fights, no) and the UFC execs think that knees and kicks to downed opponents is too brutal. *sigh*

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I honestly don't see how knees to a downed opponent are any more brutal than elbows to the face.

I personally don't find fighters who try to win by cut stoppage very entertaining, so I don't think the addition of elbows is a good idea. Ex: Florian. It's a sport, so people will take advantage of these kinds of technicalities.

I think knees are good for making ground game more than just ground and pound, and footstomps are good weapon to use when attacking someone on the ground, so I really hope those are added. They cause massive damage and don't seem to cut people as easily, so I'd rather have those added.

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Melendez dropped out of his fight on the Bushido card this weekend I was really looking forward to seeing his war with Aoki.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

MMA is great is great but i'd like to see more stylish fighting with better technique not brawling

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GSP is going to take it tonight. Anybody want Hughes?

I was speaking idiomatically.

I was there live in Sacramento and it was fucking crazy. I am glad that Hughes lost the title. I haven't been a UFC fan for long, maybe 2/3 months, but I never liked Hughes since I watched him fight BJ Penn for some reason.

Anyway, it was great to watch and can't wait until the next PPV

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Shockwave 2006..... Great card and great fights! I don't wanna spoil anything... but just make sure you watch it!

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I was up live for it. Now I just need to see the K-1 card.

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