And we hit the ground RUNNING!! (ff4 impressions)

Next up on this summer's Final Fantasy marathon is IV (I, II, VII, & VIII are all successfully behind me), and I have to admit, it wastes absolutely no time getting things started. Did anyone else feel this game is incredibly fast-paced? I just finished the part where

Spoiler:

Cecil defeats his dark self to earn the title of paladin

a mere 4 hours in, and so much has already happened. I can't help but wonder if this game is going to burn out soon.

It seems as though (so far) there's been a very minimal amount of actual travelling on the world map, and when there is, it's broken up by battles that occur about every two or three seconds. It's insane. Overall I thoroughly enjoy the characters, but I'm hardly given enough time to become attached to them before the next shattering plot point hits. Though I suppose given the amount of time that I have each character in my party and the frequency in which they're introduced, the game's done a fine job of assembling a distinguished cast. I'd like more time to absorb the story. I certainly was not expecting

Spoiler:

Kain's treachery

and I'm looking forward to seeing how that plays out.

I don't mean to imply that I'm not enjoying this game. I am. But it feels oddly linear so far for a Final Fantasy (walk here: plotpoint. Walk here: plotpoint). Are my trepidations groundless? Or did other people here have the same reactions at first as I am?

This is the GBA version for those who would give value to that fact.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

The GBA did a damn fine job on restructuring the storyline.

It's 20-24hrs essentially. It doesn't burn out. It is my favorite Final Fantasy, with FFVI a little behind it on the ranking. The story gets more and more interesting.

Final Fantasies are very linear by nature =p Remember that the original was an early SNES game. The storyline is still damn impressive to this day. Back then it was unreal. Just a game that was years ahead of itself. You might be looking at it from a modern-RPG perspective. If you played it back when it came out, it's significance and achievements would've *scalded* themselves into your memory. This was just an incredible game, you see.

Still, I like the De-Jap translation for the SNES version.

Spoiler:

Like Kain referring to Rosa as Cecil's "little whore". Badass ;D

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Originally Posted by Gechmir

Still, I like the De-Jap translation for the SNES version.

Spoiler:

Like Kain referring to Rosa as Cecil's "little whore". Badass ;D

Aww; I'm sure the Advance version got rid of that.
When you say 'restructuring,' what do you mean? There are changes from the original story? Significant changes? (no spoilers please)

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I dunno, I played through most of the game, up until the part...

near endgame:

...on the moon.

And I found the game pretty boring. The storyline was so basic. It was way beneath FFVI's storyline, which was so epic (and had about a bazillion really memorable scenes, with much better fleshed-out characters).

There are a lot of character deaths, if you could call those "plot twists,"

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...even though a lot of them don't stay dead. Kinda lame.

It was just "meh" overall to me.

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Originally Posted by Cellius

Aww; I'm sure the Advance version got rid of that.
When you say 'restructuring,' what do you mean? There are changes from the original story? Significant changes? (no spoilers please)

Well, the original English version (Final Fantasy 2 as it was called on SNES) had a lot of things changed/removed. A future relationship of sorts is COMPLETELY whited out in SNES. There's a guillotine you'll see at one part. For some stupid reason, it was edited into a giant ball o__O Cecil kissing Rosa was changed into a graphic of him hugging her. The storyline was staled considerably as they tried to, well, keep it happy-and-squishy on dialogue.

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I've played a bit of this on the ROM, and I'd hate to admit it, I never beat the game, as of today. Since then, I've been wanting to play it either 4 ways:

EMULATOR-ROM
SNES
PSX
GBA

Now, the ROM is obviously the easiest and most economical route to take, while the SNES, well first I need to buy an SNES, which my old one I gave away, stupid me, and I hear the PSX version is horrible, with shitty load times and such. Then there's the GBA version (which I'll have to borrow my sister's DS lite), which I hear is also plagued with its own glitches and problems.

It's basically been forever and a day since I last touched this, and I really should play this game again. I don't even think I got up to the part where I met Rydia. (sup Rydia lol). So basically I think I'll go with the ROM route, either that or if the GBA version isn't as sucky as I hear it to be.

BTW, Cellius , you said that you have FF VIII included as your completed list, but did you really beat the game, or did you just stop at the Adel boss fight?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Twin magic was the most memorable part of FF IV for me, since I never got to using it in a way that would actually help. There was no need to sync up when Fire 2 was right there to be abused.

Another teaser was the Meteo magic. Gee, thanks for the mp shortage!

It does get crazier from there on in, where you'll fight living doors, shoot music notes at monsters, fight freaky possessed dolls, etc. Quite the wild ride.

FELIPE NO

I have nostalgic love for FF4...It shouldn't take more than 20 hours or so to beat, but a LOT goes in that time frame. Whereas most RPG's nowadays need 5 hours just to get motivated, a whole bunch of stuff happens in that timeframe in FF4 and I often can't help myself from seeing it through to the end (similar to CT usually works out). Outside of good old FF6, easily my favorite FF cast and some of the boss fights are amazingly fun/tense. I also respect this game because it won't hesitate to kill you (though if you've played as much as I have, you'll learn a couple of leveling tricks that ease things...Just remember that characters come in at a level at or near your current ones, so if you beef Cecil up early enough, it saves a lot of time later).

Spoiler:

Best thing to do is with the Cecil/Cid/Tellah/Yang team, go outside the Silver Town (forget the name), have Tellah and Cid dead (since you'll lose them shortly after) and power level Cecil and Yang for about an hour (they gain more experience with just the two of them than with all four characters alive). That way, you get Rosa, Rydia, Kain and Edge at great levels shortly after.

And while I have the spoiler tags up...I always enjoyed the ending, where Golbez decides to stay on the moon. At the time, that type of thing was unheard of in RPG's. Not to mention his entire turn, which caught me by surprise. The wedding bit was kind of tacky though...

Man, I'd love to see this game remade and milked out the wazzoo, like FFVII and FFXIII are getting.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I have to agree. FFIV was one of the first real RPGs I played on the SNES and it has always left a lasting impression on my mind. I was really young when it came out and I thought it was the hardest game ever to beat. But eventually I learned how to level up a bit then try to do all this stuff. And as for GoldfishX's post, I'd love to see this remade to. I know there are ALOT of fanboys and general fans out there of FFVII...but it's already had a movie made about it. Let's see the older games get remade into something totally awesome. FFVI is and always will be my favorite, but FFIV was a first for me and I will always love it. Even if there were some pansy characters...

Spoiler:

Edward...but I have to love him for at least having guts to sling music notes at enemies.

It's still a great game and I bet you'll have a great time playing it.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

FFIV is at least among my top three Final Fantasies (with FFVI and FFT) and will probably remain so. I'd like to play the GBA version someday, but I'll only be arsed if I actually own it. I've beaten it so many times on SNES/ZSNES that I can't tolerate the sluggishness of the GBA version via emulator.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Dalkaen

FFIV is at least among my top three Final Fantasies (with FFVI and FFT) and will probably remain so. I'd like to play the GBA version someday, but I'll only be arsed if I actually own it. I've beaten it so many times on SNES/ZSNES that I can't tolerate the sluggishness of the GBA version via emulator.

Yeah, agreed...The extra material in FFIV Advance almost isn't worth that hassle.

Almost. One of these days, I'll suffer through the slowdown and unresponsive enemies for the chance to finish the game with Cecil/Cid/Palom/Porom/Edward (maybe Edge instead, incase I need to steal the Dark Matter...but definitely Cid and the twins).

What I don't get: FFIV was practically an SNES launch title, FFVI was one of the games to push the SNES's limits...How the hell are they going to get FFVI even playable on GBA? :juggler:

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Spatula

BTW, Cellius , you said that you have FF VIII included as your completed list, but did you really beat the game, or did you just stop at the Adel boss fight?

I knew someone would bring that up. That thread was sort of borne out of spontaneous frustration before I sat down and thought about a strategy. But yes I did beat VIII fair and square, and I'm glad I did too, because it was one of the greatest endings I could have hoped for.

After hearing many many positive things about IV, I'm excited to see the rest of it, and also pleased that it won't consume days and days of my time.

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Best part of FFIV...:

Spoiler:

In the underworld, when Golbez kicks your ass at the Dwarf kingdom. Then Rydia comes out of NOWHERE and the music does that badass twist. I saved state just before it on my emulator and rewatched it a few times. I dunno why but it makes me cackle every time.

Plus, in De-Jap, Edge is hilarious. "Ahh, Rydia... She was a bitch, but I'll miss her."

I was speaking idiomatically.

I can't believe you skipped ff3(nes). That game is probobly the most fun I've had in years with an RPG. The only issue with it is that it starts off slow.

As far as ff4 is concerned the game is convoluted and full of nice things so I can see why people like it. I gave up at the moon too~

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Rasputin

I can't believe you skipped ff3(nes). That game is probobly the most fun I've had in years with an RPG. The only issue with it is that it starts off slow.

I'm not necessarily going in order. But I don't own a DS and it's too bad there isn't a GBA version for that. If there are any reliable ROMs for it I'll check it out, certainly. I don't mind things starting off slow; it gives you a chance to take things in. However, I would prefer to own a physical copy of the game (I am something of an obsessive completionist).

FELIPE NO

FFIV was one those games I played during my "let's finish everything EVER real quick" so I never stood to fully appreciate this one. Another title is FF7 which I started playing again recently (properly). I found FF4 to be well challenging though strictly linear. It's one where the difference between the characters are significant and you need to use each to their strength. I hardly have time to play through many games again but I can't see why not play this properly in the future.

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Originally Posted by Cellius

But yes I did beat VIII fair and square, and I'm glad I did too, because it was one of the greatest endings I could have hoped for.

That's good news. The ending of VIII is a great way to see how Squall developed and came out of his shell from the beginning in Balamb Garden all the way to Time Compression and finally back to the Garden, full circle. I think he started to change when he fought the ZORG guy (the giant Shumi in the basement of Balamb Garden). Then he just eventually opened himself up more to other people, I think.

I really should get FFIV. LOL.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Gechmir

Best part of FFIV...:

Spoiler:

In the underworld, when Golbez kicks your ass at the Dwarf kingdom. Then Rydia comes out of NOWHERE and the music does that badass twist. I saved state just before it on my emulator and rewatched it a few times. I dunno why but it makes me cackle every time.

I actually remember that I had already put down the controller when I assumed that the battle was going to end at that point. I was never good at predicting if something unexpected would occur in a battle.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I remember when I first played it. Geez was that ages ago. But I was all like "Wha. Wha. What? How do I beat him? ;_;" I actually turned it off every time I got wasted. It'd get down to just Cecil and I'd hit the power, all angry-like. Third time, I sat and stared, thinking "wait. Why is Cecil always the only one left?... Oh. Oh! OHH! ;D"

ahahah!:

Rydia-outta-nowhere in this thread as well!

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

FF4 is probally my favorite Final Fantasy so far. I have never played any playstation Final Fantasies except 7 which is ok but I prefer the SNES games. I will play more of the playstation ones to make sure though

One difference between SNES/ GBA version

Spoiler:

Near the end of the game on the GBA version you have a choice on which characters to bring to the moon with you. They have their own ultimate weapons, and there is a new dungeon to play for each character you beat the game with

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Originally Posted by Cellius

Next up on this summer's Final Fantasy marathon is IV (I, II, VII, & VIII are all successfully behind me), and I have to admit, it wastes absolutely no time getting things started. Did anyone else feel this game is incredibly fast-paced? I just finished the part where

Spoiler:

Cecil defeats his dark self to earn the title of paladin

a mere 4 hours in, and so much has already happened. I can't help but wonder if this game is going to burn out soon.

It seems as though (so far) there's been a very minimal amount of actual travelling on the world map, and when there is, it's broken up by battles that occur about every two or three seconds. It's insane. Overall I thoroughly enjoy the characters, but I'm hardly given enough time to become attached to them before the next shattering plot point hits. Though I suppose given the amount of time that I have each character in my party and the frequency in which they're introduced, the game's done a fine job of assembling a distinguished cast. I'd like more time to absorb the story. I certainly was not expecting

Spoiler:

Kain's treachery

and I'm looking forward to seeing how that plays out.

I don't mean to imply that I'm not enjoying this game. I am. But it feels oddly linear so far for a Final Fantasy (walk here: plotpoint. Walk here: plotpoint). Are my trepidations groundless? Or did other people here have the same reactions at first as I am?

This is the GBA version for those who would give value to that fact.

FF4 is my favorite video game of all, all, all, all time. Your reactions to it are just normal to most players I see playing it. Have fun seeing the rest of the storyline and come back here as you get farther.

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Originally Posted by Borg1982

... and come back here as you get farther.

I find it maddening that the only kind of character deaths the story allows for are sacrifices. There's more than one way to die, guys.

big spoilers:

Anna: I must take this arrow for you so that you may continue to live and thrive, Edward. Dead
Porom & Palom: Oh no the walls are closing in! Allow us to turn ourselves to stone so that your quest may succeed, Cecil. Dead.
Sage Tellah: I must summon Meteor to destroy you, Golbez, even though it will kill me. Avenge my daughter, Cecil! Dead.
Yang: There's no way to stop the cannons. Go on, get out of here; I'll blow the place up. Tell my wife I'll always be with her! Dead.
Cid: Take care of Rosa, Cecil. I must stay behind and seal up the underworld with this bomb by jumping out of the airship. Dead.

That's as far as I'm at. Must everyone have a noble end? If I recall rightly, FFII suffered from this syndrome as well. If there are any more upcoming deaths, please don't spoil them.

Spoiler:

And I thought Rydia's return was awesome.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Cellius --
They aren't all dead. A few of them have mentions later in the game or you come across them (ie: wounded). Besides, how else will you take them out of commission? At least it's better than:
"WE'D BETTER TAKE FIVE PEOPLE AT MOST :O"
"why?..."
"INCONSPICUOUS. LISTEN TO ME. USE CELL PHONE TO CALL US~"

FELIPE NO

Don't assume automatic death on all plots. Keep the game going and you'll see what happened. Come again when you have new reactions to my favorite video game storyline ever and favorite game ever.

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Originally Posted by Borg1982

Come again when you have new reactions to my favorite video game storyline ever and favorite game ever.

OH I SEE SO

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THEY'RE ALL OKAY AFTER ALL. How did the twins get resurrected? I thought they sacrificed themselves willingly so no spell would work (Esuna)... unless the Msydians have some super secret magic that contradicts that assertion. The Golbez/Cecil twist was pretty cool, but I sort of saw it coming. I knew something was up when I met the old guy (FuSoYa or something) on the moon who explained who Zemus was.

I actually haven't beaten it yet. I'm back at the

Spoiler:

moon

for the second time for what I presume is the final battle right around the corner. I'm really anxious to see what the final boss looks like to see if he resembles

Spoiler:

Culex, the Dark Knight of Vanda, from Super Mario RPG, since his music was an obvious insertion from FF4.

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