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Avril Lavigne is unrightfully spotlighted once again
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Old Jul 10, 2007, 08:08 PM Local time: Jul 10, 2007, 06:08 PM #1 of 34
Avril Lavigne is unrightfully spotlighted once again

So, it turns out that Avril's song-writing skills are in question again. Despite her proving numerous times that she is quite possibily the most talented female vocalist/song-writer to ever live, people still question her integrity.

Originally Posted by AOL MUSIC (lol?)
(July 10) -- Avril Lavigne's "The Best Damn Thing" album is turning out to be just the opposite for the Canadian mall-punk singer, as yet another very much similar song comparison has come forward.

This time, it's a song by fellow Canadian female artist Peaches -- "I'm the Kinda," which was released in 2003, which sounds quite similar to Lavigne's new song "I Don't Have to Try." In both songs, a simple staccatto synthesized drum beat plays as the lyrics are delivered in a rap-like spoken word delivery. The vocals in both have nearly the same cadence.
As if the description wasn't ridiculous enough, here's the comparison in video form:

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Old Jul 10, 2007, 08:12 PM Local time: Jul 10, 2007, 07:12 PM #2 of 34
Chantal Kreviazuk says Avril stole a song from her too. I hope her career ends.

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Old Jul 10, 2007, 08:37 PM Local time: Jul 10, 2007, 06:37 PM #3 of 34
No, I'm not. She was one of the most inventive and creative writer's of punk music, hands down.

I hope her career ends.
That would be the most awful thing to happen since 9/11. There's no reason to end this young woman's career so early in her prime.

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Old Jul 10, 2007, 09:37 PM Local time: Jul 10, 2007, 07:37 PM #4 of 34
Pull your head out ya ass, dawg. The girl's a biter and she doesn't even give head to those she plagiarizes from. That shit's just WRONG.

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Old Jul 10, 2007, 09:55 PM Local time: Jul 10, 2007, 08:55 PM #5 of 34
Y'know, Divest. This makes you look infinitely worse than that masturbating to rape/gore journal entry ever did.

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old Jul 10, 2007, 09:58 PM 1 #6 of 34
No, I'm not. She was one of the most inventive and creative writer's of punk music, hands down.
She was one of the most inventive and creative writer's of punk music
most inventive and creative writer's of punk music
inventive ... creative ... punk music
creative ... punk music

WHAT?!


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Old Jul 10, 2007, 10:07 PM Local time: Jul 10, 2007, 08:07 PM #7 of 34
You're right.

inventive.... creative... punk music

Too much of an oxymoron for one post!

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Old Jul 10, 2007, 10:08 PM #8 of 34
I know I was completely caught up at the thought of "inventive" and "creative" being applied to "Avril Lavigne."

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Old Jul 10, 2007, 11:13 PM Local time: Jul 10, 2007, 09:13 PM #9 of 34
Of course I was being serious.

Especially when I said I was being serious. I was serious about that too.

I'm also being serious right now, for those of you that are questioning my seriousness.

This is serious business, afterall.

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Old Jul 11, 2007, 12:10 AM Local time: Jul 10, 2007, 10:10 PM #10 of 34
She is a fantastic musician. I love her and all these scandalous rumors must die!

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Old Jul 11, 2007, 01:35 AM #11 of 34
So, it turns out that Avril's song-writing skills are in question again. Despite her proving numerous times that she is quite possibily the most talented female vocalist/song-writer to ever live, people still question her integrity.
Avril fails at taking over the world.
Spoiler:
By the way, this isn't the real video because it has the different languages she tries to sing.

YouTube Video


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Old Jul 11, 2007, 05:57 AM Local time: Jul 11, 2007, 02:57 AM #12 of 34
While I did liked some of her previous songs, saying that she's the most talented singer OR song writer is just far fetched and just fanboy bias. There are alot of better singers/song writers out there.

And whatever respect I had before for her is all gone thanks to the song Nahual posted. Seriously. All her talk about hating the blonde girls in the celeb circle cause they're bitchy or dumb and mean, and she releases this song that has a video that has her acting that way?! Hypocrite.

Though I do like the structure of the song, its like 'Mickey'.

And her stuff is not punk. Far from it. Just cause she has a pink skull as a logo doesn't make it punk.

Now to hear all this plagarism claims makes me wanan give up following English speaking female singers.

Though thanks to the interweb, its hard to decipher which are conicidental and which are downright copying.

However, my response to the video in the first post is that is leaning too heavily towards copying. The style, the drum beat, the fact that the singing is a monotone rap in the same goddamn monotone pitch? C'mon.

Though a more ridiculous Avril news is that she released a manga, and shes in the story, like a goddamn Mary Sue.

Bah.

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Old Jul 11, 2007, 07:33 AM Local time: Jul 11, 2007, 07:33 AM #13 of 34
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Though I do like the structure of the song, its like 'Mickey'.
Exactly what I was thinking. I get flashbacks. That song drives me batshit mad.

Avril Lavigne is cute but I definitely think there is more inventive punk out there. Typically in america, the musical mainstream would be far from innovative for any genre...but its sad that punk itself is being swept up in this maelstrom of conformist 'neutral music', music that neither gets us high, or takes us to the depths, but just is. Avril Lavigne's music is highly formulaic.

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That would be the most awful thing to happen since 9/11. There's no reason to end this young woman's career so early in her prime.
...I doubt that. Avril has enjoyed a mainstay in the front and center for a LONG time, especially considering her amount of talent. She's had a good run, has made lots of money. Maybe its time for her to go to make room for more impressive musical talents.

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old Jul 11, 2007, 07:51 AM Local time: Jul 11, 2007, 08:51 PM #14 of 34
If Avril Lavigne tried to copy one of my songs, I'd totally claim it wasn't my song and that it was just bad to begin with and that I never wrote anything like it. Peaches must be so embarrassed.

The fact that you guys can't pickup on Divest's sarcasm is truly depressing too.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

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Old Jul 11, 2007, 10:52 AM Local time: Jul 11, 2007, 09:52 AM #15 of 34
Well, the thing is his posts are absurd, but believable. And usually when someone asks you whether you're being sarcastic, you say yes rather than trying to be funny by being even more sarcastic, especially on the Internet where it's much harder to tell.

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Old Jul 11, 2007, 11:06 AM Local time: Jul 11, 2007, 09:06 AM #16 of 34
She wasn't bad in Over the Hedge. *shrug*

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Old Jul 11, 2007, 11:49 AM Local time: Jul 11, 2007, 09:49 AM #17 of 34
That's because she didn't sing SK8R BOI in that movie. Oh god how I hate SK8R BOI.

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Old Jul 11, 2007, 04:57 PM 1 #18 of 34
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This time, it's a song by fellow Canadian female artist Peaches -- "I'm the Kinda," which was released in 2003, which sounds quite similar to Lavigne's new song "I Don't Have to Try."
Am I the only one who found the title ironic?

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Old Jul 11, 2007, 05:19 PM Local time: Jul 11, 2007, 10:19 PM #19 of 34
There's another accusation flying around about "Girlfriend".

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Avril Lavigne has responded a lawsuit that has brought against her claiming she copied another song for her hit "Girlfriend."

As previously reported, Lavigne and co-writer Luke Gottwald are being sued by Tommy Dubar, founder of band the Rubinoos, who claims that the Canadian singer's track "Girlfriend" bears a striking resemblance to the 1978 Rubinoos song "I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend."


However, writing on her blog, Lavigne refuted the accusation, stating she has "never ripped anyone off."

Writing about the Rubinoos' accusations, she wrote: "You may have heard some news that two guys who wrote for some band from the 1970s I have never in my life heard of called the 'Rubinoos' are trying to sue me.

"They have a song called 'I Want To Be Your Boyfriend' that has no musical similarities to the song 'Girlfriend' that Luke Gottwald and I wrote together. They claim that a small part of the lyrics are the same and are saying that I took these from them. I had never heard this song in my life and their claim is based on five words! All songs share similar lyrics and emotions. As humans we speak one language.

"Off the top of my head, two other songs that I can immediately think of with this type of lyric are 'Hey, hey, you, you get off of my cloud' by The Rolling Stones and 'Hey little girl I want to be your boyfriend' by the Ramones. Simply put, I have been falsely accused of ripping their song off. Luke and I have done nothing wrong and there is no merit to their claim."

Meanwhile, songwriter Chantal Kreviazuk has said that she would never work with Lavigne again, saying she will "cross the ethical line and no one says anything. That's why I'll never work with her again," after suggesting her song had been ripped off.

Lavigne responed to this writing: "I was going to be the bigger person and not reply when I read Chantal Kreviazuk's article in Performing Songwriter magazine. Now that all the media have caught on to her little interview, I need to speak.

"Chantal's comments are damaging to my reputation and a clear defamation of my character and I am considering taking legal action. Chantal has accused me of taking a song idea from her because I happen to have a song on my new record with the same title.

"For the record, I wrote a song with Evan Taubenfeld which coincidentally has the same title as a song Chantal had sent me a few years ago. Our songs have no similarities and opposite meanings, i.e. different lyrics, different melody, different genres.

"In Chantal's own words 'the only similarity is in the title.' I originally wrote this with Evan for his record and I ended up with it. Funny enough when I decided to put 'Contagious' on my album we had to change the words from 'she' to 'he' in order for it to work on my record. There are hundreds of songs out there with the title 'Contagious' 75 on iTunes alone.

"Chantal has also made false accusations about my writing skills. I am so over this topic. This letter is not about this. I am not going to sit here and defend my writing skills. I don't have to prove anything to anyone. I know who I am and what I have done and accomplished and no one can take that away from me.

"My decision to discontinue working with Chantal after co-writing together on my second record was simply based on the fact that we had no hits together. That is why her name is not on this record, despite her numerous attempts to be included, which were always denied.

"From my perspective this is a clear case of bitterness. Chantal is upset that she didn't get to be a part of my record. She did email me after the article came out apologizing and I forgive her but I have to put the truth out there so my fans are not confused by these false accusations.

"Let it be crystal clear that I have not ripped anyone off or done anything wrong. I have never had to deal with anything publicly like this and surely never wanted to. I do not deserve this negative press and attention. I take pride in the songs that I write and appreciate the opportunities to work with some great writers and musicians.

"I would like to say more but my lawyers have advised me not to. Why is it when you get to a certain level people want to attack you?.... and now I have said my peace."

Thanks for the report to Yahoo! News.
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Old Jul 11, 2007, 06:25 PM Local time: Jul 11, 2007, 05:25 PM #20 of 34
I think that's what the "once again" is referring to.

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Old Jul 12, 2007, 12:13 AM Local time: Jul 11, 2007, 09:13 PM #21 of 34
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My decision to discontinue working with Chantal after co-writing together on my second record was simply based on the fact that we had no hits together. That is why her name is not on this record, despite her numerous attempts to be included, which were always denied.
So the songs she wrote for you didn't go platinum and you don't put the rightful credits in the album?

Ungratefulness is what this is all about.

I was speaking idiomatically.


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Old Jul 12, 2007, 12:48 AM Local time: Jul 12, 2007, 12:48 AM #22 of 34
So the songs she wrote for you didn't go platinum and you don't put the rightful credits in the album?

Ungratefulness is what this is all about.
As much as I dislike Avril Lavigne, you misinterpreted that quotation. She is saying that none of the songs co-written by Chantal on her second cd were any good. Because of this, Chantal was not allowed to collaborate on Avril's newest. She did not write anything for and thus, her name was not included on the newest record.

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Old Jul 12, 2007, 02:56 AM Local time: Jul 12, 2007, 12:56 AM #23 of 34
That would be the most awful thing to happen since 9/11.
...WHAT?


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Old Jul 12, 2007, 05:24 AM Local time: Jul 12, 2007, 02:24 AM #24 of 34
As much as I dislike Avril Lavigne, you misinterpreted that quotation. She is saying that none of the songs co-written by Chantal on her second cd were any good. Because of this, Chantal was not allowed to collaborate on Avril's newest. She did not write anything for and thus, her name was not included on the newest record.
Then why would Chantel wanted her name included in something she took no part in? I thought they were referring to the 2nd album.

Seems like one of them is quoting something wrong or mistaken something... Or we don't have the whole picture.

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Old Jul 12, 2007, 05:37 PM #25 of 34
Why do people keep falling for the OP's trolling?

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