Split:Was Czecholovakia part of the Soviet Union? Or: Semper is still an idiot.
 

Yeah, I know this is Croatia, just saying they're from the same region, lol. I think it'd be a mistake to underestimate these guys after seeing how the U.S. got demolished yesterday by Czech.

Except that the Czechs are ranked number 2 in the world, and everyone expected them to run roughshot over the US. Seriously, mate. You live in a fantasy world.

US IS A MEXIAN SATELLITE NATION WHY LIE

See the difference there Devo is that Eastern Europe was once "united" by something called communism. This parallel doesn't work for the U.S. and Mexico or the rest of North America because there was no communist bloc around here unifying the nations. Get it?

Oh, and I don't watch much soccer, heh. I live in the U.S. damnit.

Actually, England, France and Spain aren't too shabby at football either. Weren't some of them part of the NATO alliance? Mexico went pretty far in the confederations cup recently. Don't let your shitty reasoning hit you in the ass on the way out.

p.s. Brazil must be united by the South American Alliance.

I'm not talking about NATO.. I'm talking about the former Soviet Union. Way to go misconstruing what I said and getting cleats in your balls.

:rolleyes: Look, AmeriMarineEagle. You obviously don't know much about the sport. How about you quit while you're ahead and stop embarassing yourself? I used NATO because the Czech Republic (or Czechoslovakia) was in the Warsaw Pact, not the Soviet Union. It's called equivalents. How's that for cleats on your balls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_union:
Established by four Soviet Socialist Republics, the USSR grew and from 1956 to 1991 politically contained 15 constituent or union republics — Armenian SSR, Azerbaijan SSR, Byelorussian SSR, Estonian SSR, Georgian SSR, Kazakh SSR, Kirghiz SSR, Latvian SSR, Lithuanian SSR, Moldavian SSR, Russian SFSR, Tajik SSR, Turkmen SSR, Ukrainian SSR, and Uzbek SSR — joined in a strongly centralized federal union. After the USSR's collapse, all 15 SSRs became independent countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_pact
Members
* Soviet Union
* Albania (withdrew its support in 1962 over ideological differences, formally left in 1968)
* Bulgaria
* Czechoslovakia
* East Germany (joined in 1956; left in October 1990)
* Hungary
* Poland
* Romania

You can stop embarassing yourself now.

Wait, do you see the point I'm trying to make here? I'm asserting that I'm surprised countries that nations in the former Soviet Union made it to the World Cup. I don't know why you're bringing in all this extraneous shit.

Okay, now, read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovakia
But since, you're amazing on going off on tangents, I'll pinpoint it for you.

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/5854/czech2jj.jpg

Yeah, you're right about the Warsaw Pact, but it is incontrovertible that Czechoslovakia was part of the Soviet Union.

This is like the equivalent of a gorilla ripping off your genitals here, buddy. Quit it.

Except it wasn't.

"Satellite nation" doesn't mean it was actually in the USSR.

Right. If I was a country and was a "satellite nation" of a bigger entity, I AM IN NO WAY TO BE AFFILIATED WITH THE AFOREMENTIONED ENTITY DESPITE THE FACT THAT I AM POLITICALLY AND ECONOMICALLY DEPENDENT ON SAID ENTITY.
This is the crux of your argument, and it's absolutely unconvincing.



A Satellite nation is a country that is dominated politically and economically by another nation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_nation

edit: And if you're under a country's influence, you're basically their bitch or a smaller reflection of them, thus, in practice, Czechoslovakia was part of the Soviet Union.

Except when the "extraneous shit" disproves your assertion completely.

You're right.

You still lose.

Why? Would it shock you to know the USSR was itself a power in football?

Am I? Is 600,000 troops storming the nation and indefinitely occupying it not good enough to be considered being under the thumb of the Soviet Union?


http://library.thinkquest.org/10775/czecslov.htm

Before the collapse of the Soviet Union, I didn't think that Eastern Europeans even had time to play soccer. Of course that's all changed now but it's relatively a quick recovery. It's good stuff, of course. :edgarrock:

I thought you had incontovertible evidence? Red circle and all? :rolleyes: So now it's in "practice"? Hard facts eh?

Edit: You know what, I would really question an academic source that can't even spell right. Also, where do it say, even when occupied, that the country becomes part of the Soviet Union? Well, it does say that it becomes a "suuprter". Whatever that is.

Actions and actual events are far stronger than some words retelling the facts with a different interpretation.

And if you're going to discredit Think Quest over a spelling error, I laugh at you.

So basically, you're telling me not to discredit Think Quest, but basically say that due to the nature of the invasion, you're right and all the other fact-books are wrong? Woah. I guess you win, then.

p.s. Czechoslovakia wanted to leave the Warsaw pact and reform to a different form of government before the other countries in the Warsaw pact invaded it to make it stay as part of the alliance. Way to twist facts, cowboy.

Seriously, can you stop going any further. First you argue with "incontrovertible facts', now it's in "practice" and "Actions and actual events are far stronger than some words retelling the facts with a different interpretation. " What rubbish is that? Argue anywhere else and they would laugh your ass out the door.

I got a source that delves deeper than any factbook because factbooks just give the gist of a country's history in a summary. You can discredit the source all you want over a spelling mistake and the fact that it isn't a factbook, go ahead.

Yeah and appealing and appeasing the communist government to maintain the communist party is twisting the facts right?

So what if I lowered my standard of proof, you are the funny guy that totally disowned the Soviet Union from Czech's history. I'm still sticking to my guns because it's hard to deny that the Soviet Union had some design over Czechoslovia.

Oh yeah, except that ThinkQuest listed down the facts and you gave your own interpretation of it. Not once did ThinkQuest say that it became part of the Soviet Union.

Yeah, that means that they had to stay in the Warsaw pact, right?

Which is not what you said in the first place. You said it was part of the Soviet Union, which is not the same as saying that "the Soviet Union had some design over Czechoslovakia. Yes, yes, we all know that the Soviet Union was the driving force behind the Warsaw pact. Yes, yes, we all know that it had major influence over it's allies, but that has nothing to do with what you said. So in the same vein, we can say that the Phillipines are part of the United States of America, since the military was stationed there for a period of time along with the fact that America had some influence over their political decisions.

For posterity's sake, so you can't change your argument now.

I don't understand the crux of this argument.

Czechloslovakia certainly was a puppet of the USSR, but Croatia (as part of Yugoslavia) was not. They may all have been buddies in Communism, but Yugoslavia was not behind the iron curtain, and had more contacts with the West.

It's completely silly to claim that the US soccer team has to watch out for Croatia because somehow it was part of the Soviet Union's communist machine.

The US does have to watch out for Croatia because Soccer is a distant fourth in the US in drawing athletic talent, whereas in most countries, it's the top sport.

The crux of the argument is that SemperFi is a mouth-breathing idiot, and everyone is having fun dragging the argument out and throwing him enough rope to hang himself with. :D

But it's the CIA factbook.

The CIA KNOWS EVERYTHING.