C/C++
 

I am great fan of C/C++ and wan´t to start a forum for all that people that understand (or want to understane) anything from it.

And I wan´t to ask. Does anyone know if C/C++works fine with the Windows XP?
I always had problem with this.

Best Regards.

Am I correct in understanding that you want to make a fansite for a programming language? Y'know there are already lots of tutorial and help sites on the Internet. Just hit up Google.

Also, I'm pretty sure C/C++ was used to write portions of Windows XP. But don't quote me on that.

Yes, I know it, but somethings are either not easy to understand or not to find. e.g. I always try to make games with C/C++ but somethings I read in all possible places but I didnt find.

Best Regards.

yes, given that you have a compiler that is compatible with windows xp (such as visual c++ or vc++.net).

any programming will work with any os as long as the it has a compiler/assembler/interpreter written for it.

Also, the Mingw port of GCC is available for Windows through something like Dev-C++.

Thats correct :) with a some assembler

I have an industrial placement next year with www.gltrade.com and have to program multi threaded c++ code almost exclusivly, gonna be in interesting year :)

Very little code for Windows is actually written in asm. Sure, the base pieces of Windows are for new editions, but those are largely untouched between version updates. It is much easier to write a great compiler once and then write everything else in a higher-level language.

Just about the only reason asm is even taught in universities anymore is because it helps broaden the understanding of how computers operate, and not much else.

grodiens:
If you want to make games in C++ and have a $100 bucks to spend, go to www.garagegames.com and download the Torque Game engine. It is the best way to build / design a game that has even been made for so cheap a price and the help forums there are excellent. Any problem you possibly could have weith it has seriously been answered by at least two people in the help forums there.

Thank you all for the tips. Maybe I will try the Torque Game to make my games (I muss see my money first. :ashamed: )

I tried today to open the c++ but I can´t make it to work.
Does anyone knows a version that works simply with the XP?

Best Regards.

Right-click the source code, select Open With, then select "Notepad"

If you want to actually compile the code, get something like this.

Thanks a lot Moon!!

Or you could just use gcc.

Thanks Magic, It works fine:).

Best regards

Do you even now a thing about C/C++ or are you just a newbie at it?

I can program relatively well with C but I´m not good with XP (it always worked good with windows 98).

Best Regards.

I'm on the opinion C# would be THE language both for application developent and OS development if it was optimized to the degree of C/C++, allowed asm keyword for inline assembler, function calling convention mangling, forced inline keyword and native code generation.
Array bounds checking, the string implementation, and its clean syntax makes C# very neat, even better than Java since it allows gotos and pointers (not recommended maybe, but they SHOULD be even for a last resort).

(Although, in the case of writing new OS code, you'd first write all the memory management stuff before creating objects via the new instruction or threads, per example).

How much harder is it to program in assemly than it is in C/C++? I know it's much more arcane, but the tendancy is, the more assembly used in a program, the faster it runs (as painfully evident in my pure C++ emulators as oppsed to the likes of Kega, Gens and Zsnes).

C and C++ are not designed to be emulated languages, which is why any "emulator" would run so poorly.

Even when programming for giant Mainframe applications that take months, programmers use high-level languages instead of assembly. Compilers do their job well and it is about infinity times easier to program in high-level as opposed to assembly.

Well, you can turn on ultra-optimization when compiling C# code or you can even use a non-VS compiler. I believe, and don't quote me on this because I used VS.NET/C# very shortly after it appeared, but I beliee you can write C code, or, at least, call C functions from a C# program, meaning that you can do whatever the hell you want at a lower level. Now, I never tried asm, but I believe you can either do that through C.

Java doesn't allow goto because it is not a procedural language. goto does not mean that C# has a cleaner syntax. You can say that nothing in Java is a pointer because you aren't allowed to manipulate them directly, but, really, everything in Java is a pointer.

On C# - I'm no expert (I've just been learning it for a couple of weeks myself), but the entire point of C# is that it's strongly typed and prevents a lot of low-level activities that C and C++ allowed to that end. MS calls it a "security feature"; the rest of us call it "a pain in the ass".

Yeah but, and this might only be true in VS.NET, there was an easy way to disarm those restrictions. So perhaps it only relates to C# as it is in a .NET environment but, really, last I checked it hadn't branched out beyond that.

What. There are basically C/C++ compilers for every platform in existance. And if you want to make Windows programs, nab Visual Studio 2005 (Express, if you want a free compiler while the offer's still on), use the Windows SDK, grab the DirectX 9 SDK, and then code away. I'd think any of the basic window functionality hasn't changed since 98 for the most part, so writing a modern Windows app wouldn't be significantly different. Don't settle for GCC or Dev-C++, they're not near as well catered to the Windows platform, plus VS has the greatest API. Ever.

*Gag* What?

It doesn't even make sense to say that compiler had a good API. :\ If you mean the documentation, uh, no. Java still is king.

Well, this is what bothers me about programmers who pretty much rely on the ease of a high level language. It really isn't a pain in the ass, rather C# forces you into using proper programming techniques you should have learned from the start.

C# was designed mostly with network and internet programming in mind where a lot of proper programming practices need to be observed to maintain security. The problem is most C programmers simply never learned what those practices were and never had to face them being they only have dealt with a single local machine. As a result they had to make the C# language very ridged in hopes in doing so would teach programmers proper programming via the language structure.