Epic Western RPG battle
 

Bioware vs Bethesda, go!

Lesser of two evils I guess. You should put in OTHER.

I may not like what Bioware did with Dragon Age 2, and what they're "adding" for Mass Effect 3, but they have a more consistent track records of games I've enjoyed against Bethesda, who have.. Morrowind.

A rather hard choice to make, but I have to go with Bethesda on this one. I've played Morrowind, Oblivion and Fallout 3, and all 3 games hooked me in good. Fallout 3 was too short, and I haven't had a chance to get a go at New Vegas yet.

I've played Neverwinter Nights, KOTOR, Dragon Age and just this week Mass Effect 2. All worthy games (NWN especially so in my book), but in general they didn't pull me in the same way. Too much chitter chatter, methinks. Especially Mass Effect. At least in Dragon Age your actions would affect your party members' like / dislike of you, whereas ME2 just feels like they threw in the dialogue to make you spend more time in the ship than blasting aliens. I haven't finished it yet though, so if the ending is a worthy climax maybe my opinion of it will change a bit.

And now I'm thinking back to NWN and it's making me feel like I might have voted wrong :erm:

Tunnel snakes rule!

I haven't had much fun with games from both companies and my love regarding WRPGs goes to CD Projekt RED.

KOTOR 1 and 2 are two of my all time favourite games so based on those alone I vote Bioware.

Neither are as good as Ultima VII or The Bard's Tale though.

I'll probably get shit for this, but I've honestly never played a Bethesda RPG that I actually liked.

Bioware it is.

Hard to compare the two since I believe Bioware is quite large nowadays and Bethesda is still relatively small. Bethesda can't push out as many games.

Bethesda really only developed Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind and Oblivion. They all are similar type games since they are Elder Scrolls. And then came Fallout 3.

On the other hand, Bioware has had many different western RPGS. Baldurs, Neverwinter, KOTOR, Mass Effect and Dragon Age. Maybe it is just me, but these all seem much more varied since they are different series.

Bioware at this time.

Werd. The fallout sequels are a sad comparison to the first 2, most of their games don't work until fans mod the hell out of them, and all of them suffer horribly from the 2 refrigerator problem.

For all the problems that Bethesda games have, I don't see how anyone could compare them negatively to Bioware with a straight face. I'm not really sure Bioware's even made anything I could really call an RPG since, what, Throne of Bhaal? Super Captain Badass McTrollface's Space Shooty Adventure is fun and all but roleplaying it's not.

And if you really think BG, KOTOR, Mass Effect and Dragon Age are "varied" I don't think there's any way to respond to that. I like The Hero's Journey just as much as the next guy but it's getting just as tired as their Towers of Hanoi fetish.

Obsidian is the only real correct answer here but token Bethesda vote since idiots think they developed New Vegas anyways

Both KOTORs have ridiculous plots and are jammed with cliches but it's the combat system I love. I've not had such fun super-specialising characters in any other rpg. Also lightsabers make anything 1,000 times better, it's just the soundeffect, it makes me 10 years old again every time.

KOTOR 2, Fallout: New Vegas, and Neverwinter Nights 2 are all Obsidian games FYI.

Also, hi.

I have it on very good authority that Bioware is getting the shit beat out of them because of The Old Republic MMO. "Expect greater oversight from EA" on forthcoming Bioware games was the word. This may be why theres a continued "playing down" of RPG elements in ME; to make it more accessable to non-RPG playing doofuses.

I straight-out blame Dragon Age for this failure. Dragon Age and ME both are nothing more than Lovecraft re-writes (giant ancient evil comes back to enslave humanity, no one believes them, in the ME universe they're literally GIANT TENTICLE MONSTERS FROM OUTSIDE OF SPACE and one of the ships is named Hugo Gernsback, who was one of Lovecraft's publishers, etc) but DA is just a dismal failure because not only did it come out immedeately following ME but its the same fucking story. Yes, all Bioware games are generally the same but this was note for note. The combat system is barely touched. And then DA2 was a gigantic fucking mess I heard - all the dungeons look the same, etc - and so here we are. One huge property they have to dumb down and its retarded kid sister who follows it everywhere.

Fallout 3 was great fun but its as much of an RPG as Paperboy on NES. New Vegas I don't even know how to talk about oh god.

And fuck KOTOR. I played them both. The first one has a story hanging on the laziest cliche plot-twist ever written and the second one, though it tried to do something interesting, spectacularly dies in every way in the last tenth of the game. Lazy fanservice bullshit for jerks.

Basically, unless you're playing with pen and paper, fuck RPGs.

Haha! 8 voted for FFVII!

After checking the list of the games by Bethesda and BioWare, it turns out that I haven't played a single game by Bethesda! I did try 30 minutes of Fallout 3 though, and it did feel very much like a "Western" game.

I did play Mass Effect 2 and a bit of Dragon Age, and they both feel like modern RPGs, which is guess fall under WRPG? Or not? Also, Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 are more like FPS games now, aren't they?

My vote goes to FFVII. Because Cloud is the best WeabooRPG character.

Baulder's Gate *cough* *cough*

I've not played anything from Bethesda which is probably appalling to most people. I would like to try the Elder Scroll series at the very least. I absolutely adored Dragon Age and Mass Effect (and to a lesser extent ME2), but I'm not very happy with the way Bioware is headed recently, so screw them really.

However, I still love FF7 after all this time. Not the spinoff crap, just the original. That got my vote. :D

Dragon Age was horrible. A complete and total waste of time and money.

HEY YOU ARE THE GREY WARDEN AND HERES SOME MONSTERS YOU HAVE TO FIGHT AND IN THE END YOU HAVE TO DIE AND BLAH BLAH BLAH MORE OF THE SAME.

And then Dragon Age 2 was just fucking garbage. The series is just Mass Effect's retarded little sibling.

Having started playing Mass Effect 2 the other week, having bothered to get my ME1 character to level 60, I can confirm that ME2 is a lot more fun than the first one, although the scanning mini-game is only borderline less retarded than driving around planets in the tank thing. At least the conversations are slightly more amusing although the continued lack of a button to skip dialogue that doesn't trigger conversation choices if they pop up early is criminal. The sooner developers learn that nobody wants to listen to crappy voice actors reading things out when they can read them themselves three times faster the better in my opinion.