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eriol33 Apr 12, 2006 02:37 PM

Do you believe ESP?
 
I wonder if any of you actually believe one of theese so-called Extra Sensory Perception... so has anyone here has experienced any of these stuff? What do you say about ESP? Do you believe if human could actually do these?

Wall Feces Apr 12, 2006 03:12 PM

I don't believe in ESP persay, but I definitely believe in connected brain patterns... Example, my roommate and I constantly have the same thing on our mind. If I don't bring it up, 9 times out of 10 he will. I think being in close quarters with someone sorta jumbles up the brain waves and gives you a connection in a way.

horseman85 Apr 12, 2006 05:13 PM

Personally, I dunno about ESP . . . once in a while, I think I may have dreamed of the future during my sleep. But it's never anything important either . . .

Do you know how happy I would be if I did all of my exams in my dreams? Anyways, my psych prof says that visions like that are pretty unreliable . . .

And what sprouticus said about connected brain patterns . . . could be true. They say that girls living in the same apartment will eventually tune the timing of their periods so they occur during the same time of the month.

Taterdemalion Apr 12, 2006 05:24 PM

I don't believe in ESP. If there was ever such a thing it would have been detected and verified years ago. Anything attributed to ESP is sheer coincidence. These coincidences may seem improbable but are coincidences nonetheless.

ArrowHead Apr 12, 2006 06:44 PM

I don't believe in ESP as such, but I think sometimes through a combination of the sense we can be aware of someone/something without being able to directly attribute it to one sense or another.

Also, sometimes you know someone has entered the room, not because you see or hear them, but because you feel the change in air pressure as they open a door or enter.

Diversion Apr 12, 2006 09:22 PM

Arrow, in my opinion, we get those types of signals all the time. If you were to walk outside blindfolded, you could probably accurately guess the weather. If there's a big storm coming, your eyes aren't the only things telling you of what looms. There's this feeling you get from it that's unnerving, and I think that maybe animals get that same feeling and react on something very similar to that.

We just choose to ignore them, attributing them to just chills from the mood. Animals are pretty keen with that 6th sense of natural danger.

splur Apr 12, 2006 09:35 PM

I watched something about ESP on discovery. Sadly I don't remember the guy's name, but there was this kidnapping and he was able to pinpoint the building and which floor on that building the guy was being held. I think this was during the cold war when they went into the really weird stuff like ESP and the space race.

I don't believe in it though.

Eleo Apr 12, 2006 09:40 PM

I haven't seen any kind of sound, scientific research on the topic. I've seen plenty of philosophy and pseudo-science on how telepathy, clairvoyange, telekinesis, etc are possible but I honestly don't feel it's possible or at least not on the level that would make it useful. Until science says something serious about it, I don't think I can really take it all that seriously.

splur Apr 12, 2006 10:25 PM

http://www.espgame.org/

hehe, it's kind of fun.

Fjordor Apr 12, 2006 10:28 PM

Wow... I'm agreeing with Eleo.

Yeah, pretty much going along with the stuff that he has said.
I do not believe that there is any sort of high density repository of electromagnetic energy in the brain or anywhere else which would enable communications between minds or enable changes in anything physical. Although I do admit that there is a significant amount of energy tied into the processes of the brain, there is no way in hell that it is enough to enable such things.

However, I cannot deny that there are some interesting things that go on with people's minds. I will attest that a lot of my dreams are of a clairvoyant nature. I have dreamed many situations, and upon experiencing them I remember that I had dreamt them before. I cannot explain it, but it does not seem that they can really be tied down to "random firings" of neurons.
There appears to be some level of the mystical tied in with the mind, but I do not think that it does nor can extend to any level such as seen in ESP.

J-Man Apr 12, 2006 11:38 PM

I'm pretty sure that, though cool, any of the things that are percieved as being ESP are purely coincedental (sp?). Me and my friend have things like this happen all the time, but thats just becuase we think alike, not because we are connected my some ESP garbage. It would be cool, but I don't think its real.

Kaiten Apr 12, 2006 11:44 PM

If ESP is real (quite possible), then we've barely even begun to tap into it. It's not just luck that causes some to be able to predict the future. But it could just be that they were better at anticipating events based on knowledge and wisdom than they thought. There still are many capablities of the huamn brain we have left to reveal, if EPS is in there or not, it's still nice to know we have room to grow as a species.

DeadHorse++ Apr 12, 2006 11:49 PM

Whole-heartedly believe. Of course, it helps if it occurs/occured semi-regularly for you, and is accurate a good 95% of the time (and only not accurate when you realize you're sooth-saying and consciously make changes to avoid a certain predicted outcome). This includes full conversations, events, etc.

The_Griffin Apr 12, 2006 11:58 PM

Ohhhh yeah. I can definitely say that I believe in it. I've also had quite a few dreams of the future. I used to be able to recall them when I woke up (and one time was mistakenly lead to believe a site I was following was updated because I dreamt I was browsing it), but now it almost never happens. It's odd, though. When I'm in the middle of experiencing what I dreamed, it's almost like "Okay, so and so is going to happen," and it does.

Eleo Apr 13, 2006 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaiten
If ESP is real (quite possible), then we've barely even begun to tap into it.

Can you name any other useful, innate human ability that took several hundred years to discover?

DeadHorse++ Apr 13, 2006 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleo
Can you name any other useful, innate human ability that took several hundred years to discover?

???

People have been talking about ESP in one form or another since the dawn of known human history...

Rachelle Apr 13, 2006 02:21 AM

have they? i've never heard of it though.... personally i find esp hard to take seriously cos i don't see how it could work at all...

Eleo Apr 13, 2006 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dead Horse++
???

People have been talking about ESP in one form or another since the dawn of known human history...

Along with other fantastical things that don't logically exist.

My point was, unlike obvious abilities such as walking, ESP is not a self-evident human ability.

That said, I found the idea of it needing to be "tapped in to" unlikely as it seems illogical to say that it exists even in a very weak, undeveloped state. Walking, for example, is something a human learns and gets considerably better with over time. Wouldn't ESP follow the same trend, if we truly possessed such an ability?

ESP is conceptually useful, so one would think that at an early age - if it existed - that we'd learn to use it to our advantage. Such is not the case.

Gumby Apr 13, 2006 03:04 AM

Eleo your assuming that such abilities are present in everyone, which may not be the case.

Eleo Apr 13, 2006 04:45 AM

I'm assuming that because I find it to be logical. I'd imagine that such abilities would permeate a group of people - genetically, if anything - large enough for it to be noticeable.

I mean, can you name any other abilities that are known to exist but be incredibly rare? When I say that, I mean specific things most people are totally incapable of; not innate proficiency in abilities that most people possess like music or mathematics.

DeadHorse++ Apr 13, 2006 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eleo
I'm assuming that because I find it to be logical. I'd imagine that such abilities would permeate a group of people - genetically, if anything - large enough for it to be noticeable.

I mean, can you name any other abilities that are known to exist but be incredibly rare? When I say that, I mean specific things most people are totally incapable of; not innate proficiency in abilities that most people possess like music or mathematics.

I don't know that many people who are able to dislocate every joint in their body and fit themselves inside a suitcase, then fit themselves back together again. Nor am I able to perform this feat myself or could I with practice. Therefore, this is an ability that some people have and some do not.

ArrowHead Apr 13, 2006 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dead Horse++
I don't know that many people who are able to dislocate every joint in their body and fit themselves inside a suitcase, then fit themselves back together again. Nor am I able to perform this feat myself or could I with practice. Therefore, this is an ability that some people have and some do not.

Actually, you probably could do it. With a lot of painful practice and training. I think it's an "ability" than everybody has, to dislocate their joints. Some can do it much more easily than others, earning it the status of "talent".

eriol33 Apr 13, 2006 02:02 PM

You know, I saw some advertisment promoting ESP below this thread. does any of them actually work? Or they just fool curious people, believing that they could have some telekinesis power by joining some ESP centre?

Sian Apr 13, 2006 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by splur
http://www.espgame.org/

hehe, it's kind of fun.

oh man i'm having fun with this, can you tell i'm incredibly bored.

As for the subject I have to agree with sprouticus on it all, the whole connection thing with people who you live with or know for a long time I get a lot. Other than that I don't believe in anything else since i've never encountered it, i'm a i'll believe it when I see it person.

TheHobbyMan151 Apr 13, 2006 02:37 PM

i don't belive in ESP


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