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Keero Mar 27, 2006 01:57 PM

Swap magic w/o slide card
 
I wanted to know if it was possible using the swap magic discs without a slide card. I mean you are sliding only the white part you could do it with tweezers.

Look:
http://www.modchipstore.com/Slide-Ca...Manual-24.html

Musharraf Mar 27, 2006 02:35 PM

Well I heard it's possible but I know three people who tried it so far and they all fucked up their lasers. So if I were you, I'd get the slide card, I mean, it's not THAT expensive!

Onyx Mar 27, 2006 03:58 PM

Dude, just use a slidecard. You will seriously ***k up your disc tray and your laser if you don't.

Besides, you're paying more money for the Swap Magic disks than you are for the card. The card's not worth much.

Keero Mar 27, 2006 04:09 PM

Yea I hear you. I'll get me a slide card in a bit. Then I need to burm the games. Is it easy to burn the games? Or just stick in DVD and turn on nero?

Rock Mar 27, 2006 04:10 PM

Oh and of course you can create your own slidecard if you don't want to pay for it. All it takes is a pair of scissors, a piece of flat plastic (as used in credit cards, etc.) and the exact dimensions:

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/9...ipecard2na.gif

Cut away!

Keero Mar 27, 2006 05:42 PM

Thanks very much. Now All I gotta do is buy DVD-R's

Soluzar Mar 27, 2006 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rock
Oh and of course you can create your own slidecard if you don't want to pay for it. All it takes is a pair of scissors, a piece of flat plastic (as used in credit cards, etc.) and the exact dimensions:

Yeah, I did that. When I ordered my Swap Magic and Breaker Pro, there was supposed to be a slide card included. The Breaker Pro arrived long before the rest of the stuff, and I had imports to be playing. I made one, it worked fine wor the 10 days or so that I was without the real thing.

Double Post:
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Originally Posted by Keero
Thanks very much. Now All I gotta do is buy DVD-R's

Be sure to get ones that say "Made in Japan" on the pack. The brand name isn't really who made the disc, it's just who's selling it to you.All the brands of DVD-R have different batches, made by various companies in Japan, China, or Taiwan. The Japaneses make noticably better discs than either China or Taiwan. Good brands to go for at the moment include Verbatim, Maxell, and Fuji, but only the "Made in Japan" batches.

If you want to be certain of what you will get, go to http://www.rima.com and order some Taiyo Yuden. I can guarantee you won't have any compatibility or reliability issues with those discs. They are one of the very few brands that actually make the discs themselves, and they are regarded as one of the very best.

Keero Mar 27, 2006 10:22 PM

Those Taiyo Yuden ones have a pretty expensive name to them. So do you just use nero, alcohol 120 to burn the images? Or is there something special to do?

Musharraf Mar 28, 2006 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Keero
Those Taiyo Yuden ones have a pretty expensive name to them. So do you just use nero, alcohol 120 to burn the images? Or is there something special to do?

1) Use Verbatim DVD-Rs, they are really the best. If not, don't use anything below Sony.

2) Use DVD Decrypter or Alcohol 120% and write at 2x speed (for Gods sake, don't burn with 16x like some fagsites say, this will result in a totally unreadable DVD)

Kostaki Mar 29, 2006 09:08 PM

There's always the option to buy one of those flip top type case covers for your PS2, which doesn't take too long to install and isn't particularly dangerous. At that point, you can simply open the flip top up and change discs without having to slide a thing.

Most of the flip top covers tend to be $19, so it isn't a bad value if you don't want to deal with slide cards.

Megalith Mar 29, 2006 09:30 PM

It ain't that simple dude.

Some drives will actually achieve better burns at higher speeds than lower speeds.

Please don't ask me why. I only burn porn.

Musharraf Mar 30, 2006 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Megalith
It ain't that simple dude.

Some drives will actually achieve better burns at higher speeds than lower speeds.

Please don't ask me why. I only burn porn.

Well okay I know that, but in general, you get better results with low speeds, that's what the majority says and as for me, I can say that the only DVD I burnt with 16x so far (Radiata Fagstories) turned out to be unreadable (yay~)

Keero Mar 30, 2006 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Musharraf
Well okay I know that, but in general, you get better results with low speeds, that's what the majority says and as for me, I can say that the only DVD I burnt with 16x so far (Radiata Fagstories) turned out to be unreadable (yay~)

Yea, I was burning Dreamcast Games. Some of them that were over 600MB did not work unless they were burned at a slow speed. I think thats a must burning at slow speeds with DVD's, can't waste any.

As for the flip top. I have the SWAPMAGIC already, but forgot the slide card. Do you think its a good idea to get Fliptop?

Musharraf Mar 30, 2006 09:48 AM

Fuck this fliptop shit, it's not THAT easy to install as everyone's saying.

Dude, you can get a slidecard at ebay for two bux. Why lie.

Rock Mar 30, 2006 11:27 AM

Fuck this Swap Magic, slidecard and fliptop shit. HDLoader is where it's at for PS2 backups and imports. No modchip required.

Musharraf Mar 30, 2006 11:58 AM

Yeah except for the fact that a good quarter of all PS2 games doesn't work with it.

Rock Mar 30, 2006 01:30 PM

That's just plain wrong. I can name the non-working games off the top of my head: Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy, Shadow of the Colossus, Final Fantasy XII (JAP).

There are a few more, but they aren't even worth mentioning. Patches for the uncompatible games are being worked at, I might add.

You can always go back to the slidecard if you absolutely need to play any of the aforementioned games.

The more troublesome issue is that you can't use HDLoader with the slimline PS2 model without soldering.

Kostaki Mar 30, 2006 03:29 PM

Is there a compiled list of everything that doesn't work with HDLoader? I've been looking into doing the HD loader thing for a while now combined with the fliptop, but if I can avoid one or the other I'd like to.

chato Mar 30, 2006 06:16 PM

ff12 works normally on mine. what version of swap disc do you have?

honestly. the slide card thingy is ridiculous. the most decent one is the fliptop. i never have trouble with it. i might get a hdd , though.

Elixir Mar 30, 2006 06:38 PM

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/casey.m...patibility.htm

Here you go.

Edit: Holy hell. I've just checked through this list and Gitaroo Man, Gradius V, MGS 2, IIDX 6th Style & 8th Style, Pop'n Music 10, and Viewtiful Joe are all incompatible. Better stay away from HDLoader.

Keero Mar 30, 2006 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elixir
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/casey.m...patibility.htm

Here you go.

Edit: Holy hell. I've just checked through this list and Gitaroo Man, Gradius V, MGS 2, IIDX 6th Style & 8th Style, Pop'n Music 10, and Viewtiful Joe are all incompatible. Better stay away from HDLoader.

Yea I did my research before I bought anything. I saw HDloader was kinda bogus. I want swapmagic because you can do it between two ps2's and not just one. If you take the USB away from the ps2 the game crashes.

Soluzar Mar 30, 2006 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Musharraf
1) Use Verbatim DVD-Rs, they are really the best. If not, don't use anything below Sony.

Verbatim do not make disks, and nor do Sony. All they do is put their names on them. When you've had good disks from Verbatim or Sony, it's because they were really Taiyo Yuden, Ritek, or another good manufacturer. You never know what you're gonna get until you open the pack with Verbatim. Their "Made in Japan" batches tend to be good. I hear they've been using Mitsubishi Chemical as their Japanese source lately, but if you get a Chinese/Taiwanese batch of Verbatim, then they will suck just as bad as any other non-Japanese disc.

The reason I recommend Taiyo Yuden is because they really are the best, and they actually make their own DVDs. You'll be fine with Verbatim most of the time, but if you want a guarantee, then you have to know what you're actually buying. Personally, I've been buying Maxell branded Ritek-G05 media lately, because I get a hell of a deal on it, but I'm always taking the risk that Maxell might have switched manufacturers on me.

Quote:

2) Use DVD Decrypter or Alcohol 120% and write at 2x speed (for Gods sake, don't burn with 16x like some fagsites say, this will result in a totally unreadable DVD)
I don't know about 16x but I always burn at 8x for PS2, and it always works.

Kostaki Mar 30, 2006 07:47 PM

I knew I'd end up seeing some problems with HDLoader, and while the concept is great in theory a great deal of the games I have (and I have 110 retail + 20 ISOs) do not work. Looks like I'll probably be buying a fliptop and using HDLoader at the same time, with more emphasis on getting the fliptop first.

Thanks Elixir.

I tend to burn every DVD I make at 4x which takes around 14 minutes to complete. Never had a single coaster with over 300 discs made, and can easily wait the 14 minutes since I can play a game in the meantime.

Forsakenzoul Mar 30, 2006 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keero
Yea I did my research before I bought anything. I saw HDloader was kinda bogus. I want swapmagic because you can do it between two ps2's and not just one. If you take the USB away from the ps2 the game crashes.


Buy HDLoader?!?! WTH! thats retail HDLoader is crap! barely anything works for it. Use the Original one and it has a larger compatability list than the other and the games do get patches just have to wait for them. Also go here www.ps2hd.com to check if a game works with any method.

Elixir Mar 30, 2006 10:33 PM

HDLoader isn't worth it, and they're still acting as if they're helping Sony with their console.

Just buy games as usual, and use a swap magic. If you can't afford or are too afraid of getting a modchip, that's your problem, but otherwise you're wasting your time. Instead of buying a large, external hard drive to fit PS2 games on, you can add a dvd burner to your PC, download games, and use them with the swap magic/modchip and there's barely any hassle involved.


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