Final Fantasy Tactics - The War of the Lions
 

I'm a bit surprised that there is no thread alone for this game yet. (And if there is, I'm a total dolt.) The game came out yesterday, and I picked it up right away. Has anyone else played it? I'd like to get some thoughts about the gameplay and translation.

It would seem, sir, that you are, in fact, a total dolt.

http://www.gamingforce.org/forums/rp...-alliance.html

And yeah, I got it. The slowdown is awful, just fucking inexcusable. Nice new translation though.

Still the best game ever.

Oh yeah a thread covering three popular games at once. Great fucking thinking.

Tis your faith and upbringing that wrong you, not I.

Yeah. Great translation there. Christians win again.

I'll have to buy a PSP when Disgaea comes out on the 30th though.

I'm sure the slowdown will be fine if I overclock the PSP.

I've heard from several folks who've tried it, that overclocking on the PSP 2000 doesn't alleviate the slowdown issue. After I caught wind of that, I got to wondering if it's the game itself, and not the hardware that's responsible.

I'm just happy it isn't as bad as the Japanese version.

PSP 2000 is? Slim?

I know how to test this. Basically, when I did have a PSP, overclocking it to 333MHz made PowerStone run smoothly. If you overclock the PSP Slim to the same speed, and try the game, and it works, it's FFT itself which has problems, not the PSP Slim.

Which it's been discovered is indeed the case.

I meant a thread alone for this game, as the other game focuses on PSP RPGs in general.

What do people think of the updated translation? Desperate for some responses, I happened upon the GameFAQs forum (trust me, I never linger) and they're all bitching that the new translation sucks, calling it "Old English". This doesn't even seem to be too Early Modern; the language to me seems fluid and more in-line with the game's setting. Or is that just me? I really like this translation.

I'm in Chapter 2, and I am very impressed that there are multiple points where those updated watercolor-looking scenes are to be found. I wasn't expecting this much work put in the game...

...too bad they didn't do much with the lag.
Damn straight.

I'll be playing Final Fantasy Tactics until either rheumatoid or death sets in. Definitely my favorite game of all time.

I wish they would release it beyond PSP as I have no intention of picking that up just for another FFT port, even if it has FMV now. I really like the pixellated storytelling of the original anyways though its good to know that the translation itself is beneficial.

I like the translation too. Comparing the PSX version and this, I like the PSP version better. It feels so natural to this game, and it isn't hard to read, even though english isn't my first language.
Only thing that bugs me though, is the changing of the names. Teta is Tietra, or something like that, and Algus is something I don't even remember, and what's with Zalbaag? What for did the translator change the names? I understand the Nanten Knights changing and so on, but peoples names?
The lag isn't as bad as I imagined, but it slows down the game, because every "special" attack is suffering the lag. I had to take counter attack off, because I grew tired of it slowing down the game every time someone attacked my characters.

I'm not going to touch this. Not only is there slow-down, but I read that there are voice-acting cutscenes, which were "mute" in the JP version. If this is true, I'd rather not see the sort of dubs they pick.

Plus, the usage of Olde English really drives me away further. The game is meant to be medieval-ish, but there are guns and the like =p I wouldn't tag the new manner of speaking as perfectly appropriate, in my opinion.

Plus they remove Cloud for Balthier. lolwtf. There are also two or so new jobs which supposedly suck quite badly.

I'll stick to the original PSX one on my PSP. Way sexier. The storyline in that was already impossible to beat (except maybe by Xenogears~), and I'd rather not see if the new game tries to get kinky with the story somewhere along the lines.

Is this really true? Because I have seen this question asked before, and it has been said that every secret character are in the game. I'm only on chapter 2, so I wouldn't know.

actually cloud is still in the game >.> as for me, I'll probably get over the slowdown but is the sound issue still there? I heard that some sound effect was pretty weird or just didn't "show up" in some special attack

Um, no? How did I have both Cloud and Balthier in my party, then?

Fixed.
There's nothing wrong with the new jobs. They're bonuses--not exactly meant to rewrite the entire way a player would approach the game. The Onion Knight proves a worthwhile payoff to those who drive themselves nuts doing everything there is to do in a game, for sure.

It doesn't. It just has a better script. The only thing actually holding the PSP version back from being the definitive version is the lag and slowdown in battles--and some people will even disagree on that point and call the PSP version the better of the two, regardless of that.
Pros of Lions War:
+New bonus jobs
+Bigger army capacity (24 instead of 16)
+A couple of new cameos (both optional, and they don't play big parts in the story).
+New, amazing-looking cinemas.
+Rewritten script makes the story read way better.

Cons:
-Lag/slowdown in battle.
-Sounds effects, particularly with magic spells, is dumbed-down quite a bit.
-Certain cinemas take a small stutter-step in their first few seconds.

Could go either way, depending on who ya are:
+/- Voice acting.

Oho ;O I was informed that Cloud was removed. I'm not an FFVII fanboy, but I'm a supporter of "leaving things as they were" in these sorts of instances.

What do you mean by "read" better on the story? :( It's not like the old PSX version was suffering from bad localization/translation.

It sounds like words people would actually say. It flows better, sounds more natural, goes down easier like a smooth...um...like something smooth. Better than this post I am making, at least. ^^;
Well, an awful lot of people saw the dialogue/translation as the PSX version's biggest flaw, which is why S-E saw it fit to retranslate the thing in the first place. And having played the Japanese version, I'll toss in that in a lot of places, FFT's English translation was a bit too literal at times (making things just sound choppy or not like they should in an English-language version of a game), and sometimes there was some poor choice for the order of words/phrases in a given dialogue.

And you're sure that some of the slowdown and what have you is not improved or at least less present when played on the 2000 SKU compared to the original model?

Cause I know Crisis Core has a HUGE difference in at least loading performance. As shown in the video below.

http://laptoplogic.com/news/detail.php?id=3226

Yep. The problem within FFT:WotL is not a problem with teh PSP, but a deep-seated problem in the coding of the game. Lots of people on lots of message boards keep asking this question, but it's never turned out fixing things with FFT.

Well then. Here's to hoping for a patch for the game which is probably 2% likely to happen ^^;

What? Quit shitflinging. I made that thread ages before any of those games were released; it's not an attempt to cover gameplay discussion.

Yes, the slowdown is something that it should have been fixed but tough luck. Some people find it annoying, some others say it's not that bad. I played the japanese version a few months ago and had no "ZOMG THE SLOWDOWN IT'S GAME BREAKING!" problems.

After seeing translation works like Vagrant Story or Final Fantasy XII (done by Alex O. Smith) and considering that FFT was the debut of the Ivalice world and that the translation for the original game was not that good (anybody remember the Ruvelia-Luveria thing? or "Stop Bracelet"?) it was more or less expected that they would rework the whole thing.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/Xaekid/Cloud.jpg

Cloud is still in the game.

And about Dark Knights sucking... I would really really, really doubt it. Onion Knight might have good uses too.

There's a chemist named FUCHS in this game. Best game ever 10/10.

I don't have the game yet, but wasn't Gafgarrion (is that his name) a Dark Knight? I remember his abilities kicking ass...I wouldn't think that job would suck :/.

You know why this game rules? Because you can have an army with a HEAVENLY KNIGHT, A DIVINE KNIGHT, AND A HOLY SWORDSMAN.



AND NOW A DARK KNIGHT (and an onion knight, but i don't know wtf that is yet).

Could a patch fix the slow down issues I've been reading about, and will it REALLY probably not happen? I want this game to be the flawless awesomeness that it truly is :(

It's a class which, for most of the game, would completely suck ass to have in one's party. The thing is, it gets stronger as the character in question masters more classes. Mastered Chemist and Squire? Well that's nice, but it won't have much of an effect on your Onion Knight. Mastered Archer, Thief, Monk, and Ninja? Getting closer. You need to master as much stuff as possible to really get an Onion Knight worthwhile. And when you doooo...it's a force to be reckoned with. Most people won't log the time though. That's why I mentioned earlier that it's a great thing for uber-completionists.

I just grabbed this (which was on sale locally for like 15 bucks, not that it mattered though just shocked me), now I need to find my PSP so I can enjoy the game =(

I honestly doubt the slowdown would bother me, I haven't even played FFT in ages so I don't remember how it used to run.

Now if I only remembered how to get Cloud and all those other dudes. Although I guess I will certainly try to have one person master every class at least once for an Onion Knight to be super.

Holy flurkingschnidt where did you buy it for that price?