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rocketdog Apr 22, 2007 11:07 PM

How serious is a fist fight?
 
I was just wondering how serious a fist fight really is. Can people press charges against eachother for this kind of thing? Can you go to jail for starting a fight? I just ask because due to recent personal events, I suspect I might get into a fist fight sometime soon and I was wondering...

How liable is a person for throwing (and landing) a "simple" punch?

Lizardcommando Apr 22, 2007 11:15 PM

If you threw the punch in self-defense, would you get in trouble?

Paikuhan Apr 22, 2007 11:17 PM

It can be either a misdemeanor or a felony. Yes, you can go to jail. If you just make a threat, it's assault. Actually do it and it'll be battery. It can be either a misdemeanor or a felony depending on how severe it is, and whether or not the person happens to be a different race/religion/sex than you. You would probably be charged with simple assault and battery (misdemeanor), and you could go to jail. I'm not a lawyer, so take this for what it's worth.

Yamigarasu Apr 22, 2007 11:18 PM

I dunno about US laws, but here you will go to jail by punching someone if they press charges, usually it's just a one nighter, but it's still on your record nevertheless.

rocketdog Apr 22, 2007 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lizardcommando (Post 427533)
If you threw the punch in self-defense, would you get in trouble?

Yeah this one too. What if he tries to clock me but I dodge and instinctively return the punch and land it?

Infernal Monkey Apr 22, 2007 11:27 PM

You can't press charges against eachother, but you can charge and then press against eachother during a fight. Bit of shoulder barging, bit of yelling and spraying saliva on eachother, bit of loooooove.

Paikuhan Apr 22, 2007 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by rocketdog (Post 427541)
Yeah this one too. What if he tries to clock me but I dodge and instinctively return the punch and land it?

You're legally entitled to defend yourself (within reason). That means if he throws a punch at you, you can throw a punch back in defense, but don't start kicking him if he falls to the floor.

acid Apr 23, 2007 12:31 AM

As far as I understand it, yes you can be charged.

However this other guy has to actually go down to the police station and press charges against you. In the case of a simple fist fight, this probably wont happen (unless he's a massive douche and or pussy).

Personally it's the matter of fist fights escalating into knife fights that worries me more than charges being pressed.

No. Hard Pass. Apr 23, 2007 01:33 AM

I think if you have to ask this question, and you phrase it the way you did, that you should probably avoid anything that will lead to a fist fight. Because seriously, if the other guy isn't autistic, you're going to take an ass kicking.

Vemp Apr 23, 2007 10:25 AM

I dunno about the U.S., but in here fist fights aren't that serious unless one person becomes seriously injured. That's as far as I know, since the only ones I hear who press charges are rich kids who lose in fist fights, or people who get punched by someone famous (a celebrity of some sort).

SemperFidelis Apr 23, 2007 10:42 AM

I say fight in private if you can. End it as quickly as possible too.

Soluzar Apr 23, 2007 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SemperFidelis (Post 427771)
I say fight in private if you can. End it as quickly as possible too.

Fighting in private won't stop you being charged. Unless you mean some kind of an organised contest with rules, such as a Boxing match.

No. Hard Pass. Apr 23, 2007 01:34 PM

For the love of god, don't listen to Semper. He's widely regarded as one of the dumbest fuckers on this forum.

Seriously, if you can avoid physical violence, do so. If you can't, I suggest you run. You don't sound like the kind of cat that can handle his knuckles.

Finish it in private. Like that won't still get you charged. Grow the fuck up, fidelis.

rocketdog Apr 23, 2007 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Denicalis (Post 427608)
I think if you have to ask this question, and you phrase it the way you did, that you should probably avoid anything that will lead to a fist fight. Because seriously, if the other guy isn't autistic, you're going to take an ass kicking.

hahahaha

It's not that I don't like to fight, I definitely stand my ground, but the kid is 2x my size so it's evident I would lose unless I had combat training. Bitter ex-boyfriend, you know? And I'd stand up for the girl if he says dumb shit even though I'd probably get decked. Just wondering if I had the law on my side incase he does anything stupid...

Isn't there some rule where if you can clearly kick the other kids ass, it could be considered attempt at murder? :twitch:

Gumby Apr 23, 2007 02:16 PM

As others have said avoid fighting if possible, if not run to where there are witnesses. Once you are in front of a large group of people this idiot isn't likely to do anything

I suggest you do a simple search on the difference between self defense and fist fighting. An example is here.

If you intend on fighting this guy then you are not defending yourself, you are engaging in mutually agreed upon combat. If you run away and he chases you down and a fight occurs then you are defending yourself. If you are defending yourself then he will end up under the wrath of the law but if you engage in a fist fight and the cops are called, both of you are likely to get arrested.

Killy Apr 23, 2007 02:33 PM

You can get charged, if you start the fight. It turns serious the second someone takes a choke hold of his opponent, so don't do that and don't kick anyone who's already gotten decked, that'll definitely get you in jail.

Wait, just screw it all, avoid the fight if you can. Try and talk your way out of it and if the guy simply doesn't back off, just walk away. If he attacks you, give him everything you got, not much more you can do.

If this has anything to do with a girl and I'm guessing it does, as stated in your previous post, you should know that the girl might appreciate it if you walked out and ignored the guy. Furthermore, it's just a girl. If he wants her so bad and she's a sucker for idiots who like to get in trouble, then fine, let the moron have the trailer trash.

RainMan Apr 23, 2007 03:03 PM

In regards to the law, fist fights are only as serious as the injuries inflicted. Many fights end fairly quickly and in that case, the injuries MIGHT be minimal. If the fight is mutual, then the law doesn't need to enter the equation. Assault is a different story entirely.

I was assaulted at a Kansas City Royals game when I was 16. I was blind sided by a punch which shattered my jaw in 3 different places. At first, I didn't know what had happened. I saw white, and was obviously in shock. I think my brain got knocked around my skull...sounded like a slot machine and felt like a week after Vegas. Cheap shots. Gotta love em. Having your jaw wired shut for a month while eating ice cream, steak and tacos through a straw is best left to those who wish to go insane. :)

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but the kid is 2x my size so it's evident I would lose unless I had combat training.
David and Goliath comes to mind.

If there are no witnesses, take some large blunt object, like a fire extinguisher, and bang 'em on the head with it after pointing to an object in the sky and saying "Look! A bird!" He sounds big and dumb. Chances are he'll turn around. Then, you can just hit him really hard. If its inside, it should still work, depending upon how stupid and dumb he really is.

Gumby Apr 23, 2007 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Killy (Post 427862)
You can get charged, if you start the fight.

You can get charged even if you didn't start the fight...

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Originally Posted by RainMan (Post 427880)
In regards to the law, fist fights are only as serious as the injuries inflicted. Many fights end fairly quickly and in that case, the injuries MIGHT be minimal. If the fight is mutual, then the law doesn't need to enter the equation. Assault is a different story entirely.

I wouldn't want to put my freedom on the line on an assumption that the law doesn't need to enter the equation.

Killy Apr 23, 2007 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Gumby (Post 427892)
You can get charged even if you didn't start the fight...

Heh, yeah, point taken. What I meant to say was that he'll definitely be facing some kind of sentence if he starts the fight, getting charged is just part of the whole ordeal.

LordsSword Apr 23, 2007 05:37 PM

Too risky. Yeah you can get a visit from the cops but there is always the chance that somebody could die. Suppose the blow you deliver is lethal. Not that youre all pumped but hey the guy could be already be borderline and all it takes is for you to tap his scull.

Tell the guy you're sorry or that you dudes can work it out. It hurts alot less than getting your butt kicked. I've been in enough fights to know that it isnt worth it in the long run when its about nothing at all. Especially when its over a girl. I wonder if she would still like you with a few less teeth.

DragoonKain Apr 23, 2007 05:49 PM

If it is just a normal punch and just leaves a bruise then nothing is going to happen to you. Even if you press charges nothing would happen, but it wouldn't get that far anwyay.

If you hit someone hard and knock out teeth, then there is a chance something could happen. I still wouldn't count on it. Especially if it is a stranger and they have no clue who you are. They probably won't go around for a manhunt for one guy over a regular fist fight.

If there is serious damage with multiple connected punches like broken bones, eye damage, brain damage, then you are talking probable charges.

Smelnick Apr 23, 2007 08:38 PM

Wow, people call me an idiot, but even I know that it doesn't take much to get arrested. All you have to do is be aggressive with someone for charges to be laid. However I do know this. Let the other person swing first, and make sure any swing you take is in self defense, aka, any swing you make is an attempt to defend against one of the opponents swings. Don't start the fight, nor finish it. Only if you can make complete sure that your actions were 100% in self defense, and you have a good witness to back this up, should you partake in a fight. Otherwise, avoid it at all possible. Its not a shameful thing to leave the situation.


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