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speculative Sep 14, 2006 02:57 PM

Video games tied to school shootings once more...
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,213743,00.html

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"Work sucks ... school sucks ... life sucks ... what else can I say? ... Life is a video game you've got to die sometime."
Looks like a real copycat of Columbine. Once more, video games are in the news in the most negative connotation possible. I wonder if this plays on Nintendo's side?

"What else can I say. Life is a video game you've got to eat 'shrooms and jump on turtles head's sometime."

Lizardcommando Sep 14, 2006 03:05 PM

Didn't someone else say that exact quote somewhere else? I'm pretty sure it was that one asshole who stole a cop car and killed two police officers. Anyone know what i'm talking about? Apparently, that guy was obbsessed with GTA3.

insertnamehere Sep 14, 2006 03:12 PM

See the problem isn't the videogames it's those crazy folk who get to absossed

WolfDemon Sep 14, 2006 03:23 PM

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"He kept to himself. He always wore dark clothing."
I love how people still assume someone is crazy because he likes dark colors. Sure, in this case he was, but that's beside the point. >.>

Worm Sep 14, 2006 05:16 PM

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Gill also maintained an online blog, similar to Klebold and Harris, devoted to gothic culture, heavy metal music such as Marilyn Manson, guns and journal entries expressing hatred against authority figures and "society."
Such an unusual and specific profile will surely aid in targeting future offenders before they strike.

Helloween Sep 14, 2006 05:49 PM

I don't see anywhere in the article that they outright blamed video games for this shooting. They mentioned it in passing as they gave as much background information on the person as they could.

I think the title of "Video games tied to school shootings once more..." is jumping the gun a little bit. Wait until the wrong person reads the line
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Originally Posted by Fox News
The site said Gill liked to play "Super Columbine Massacre," an Internet-based computer game that simulates the April 20, 1999, shootings at the Colorado high school by two of its students that left 13 people dead.

Then this thread will be more valid.

avanent Sep 14, 2006 06:03 PM

The media is obnoxious. Correlational issues can't prove any sort of cause or effect issues. It also can't disprove the more likely concept that those who are likely to act violenty are likely to be attracted to forms of media containing violence.

Theres a higher probability of cause and effect concerning violent behavior from television and movies than video games actually. Although, we wouldn't want to mention that now... would we?

Helloween Sep 14, 2006 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by avanent
The media is obnoxious. Correlational issues can't prove any sort of cause or effect issues. It also can't disprove the more likely concept that those who are likely to act violenty are likely to be attracted to forms of media containing violence.

Theres a higher probability of cause and effect concerning violent behavior from television and movies than video games actually. Although, we wouldn't want to mention that now... would we?

Those two points sort of cancel each other out to a certain degree, don't they?

The person who is unstable to begin with is much more likley to commit acts of violence after playing violent video games than when a well adjusted person plays them. This is when steps need to be taken before the event of violence. If a person is unstable to begin with, then they shouldn't be ignored and left to their own devices in the first place.

avanent Sep 14, 2006 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Helloween
Those two points sort of cancel each other out to a certain degree, don't they?

The person who is unstable to begin with is much more likley to commit acts of violence after playing violent video games than when a well adjusted person plays them. This is when steps need to be taken before the event of violence. If a person is unstable to begin with, then they shouldn't be ignored and left to their own devices in the first place.

No, they dont really cancel each other out. Which of the three points are you meaning?

acid Sep 14, 2006 06:46 PM

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The site said Gill liked to play "Super Columbine Massacre," an Internet-based computer game that simulates the April 20, 1999, shootings at the Colorado high school by two of its students that left 13 people dead.
Is that even a real thing?

Snowknight Sep 14, 2006 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by avanent
Theres a higher probability of cause and effect concerning violent behavior from television and movies than video games actually. Although, we wouldn't want to mention that now... would we?

While I don't necessarily disagree with your statement, I would like to see some evidence that supports this. It seems to me that violent media are the same; no one medium is more inherently probable to cause violent behavior.

Lizardcommando Sep 14, 2006 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by acid
Is that even a real thing?

Yeah it's real.

It's made with RPGMaker 2000. I've played it before and it's pretty crappy. You can just get it to "borrow" some of the resources in it, heh.

SuperSonic Sep 14, 2006 07:53 PM

You know Hillary Clinton is going to be jumping all over this one.

Lizardcommando Sep 14, 2006 08:01 PM

I'm pretty sure guys like Jack Thompson are fapping over this issue right now. Then again, why would they care about stuff that's happening in Canada?

Snowknight Sep 14, 2006 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lizardcommando
Then again, why would they care about stuff that's happening in Canada?

Their argument could feasibly become "We need to stop this before it arrives here [again]!"

Newbie1234 Sep 14, 2006 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Helloween
I don't see anywhere in the article that they outright blamed video games for this shooting. They mentioned it in passing as they gave as much background information on the person as they could.

The gunman put this quote on his blog: "Work sucks ... school sucks ... life sucks ... what else can I say? ... Life is a video game you've got to die sometime."

Still, that's hardly enough to blame video games for the shooting. Even people who don't play video games could have made that statement.

Anyways, I actually know Dawson College quite well and have visited it on a number of occasions. I didn't attend that Cegep, but it's pretty much the largest English Cegep in Montreal and accepts pretty much anyone in terms of grades.

ramoth Sep 14, 2006 08:40 PM

"man whats with those crazy people obsessed with videogames? i'll bet my buddies on that online videogame forum i frequent have somethingto say about that!"

Infernal Monkey Sep 14, 2006 08:44 PM

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"Work sucks ... school sucks ... life sucks ... what else can I say? ... Life is a video game you've got to die sometime."
WHAT ABOUT GOD MODE? SHOULD HAVE GONE TO GAMEFAQS.

SonicPanda Sep 14, 2006 09:16 PM

Well, heck. Of course you blame video games if you're going to pull this sort of crap. I mean, otherwise you're responsible for your own actions, and who's going to admit that, right? I mean, hell.

Helloween Sep 14, 2006 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by avanent
No, they dont really cancel each other out. Which of the three points are you meaning?

I actually misread one of your points. Sorry 'bout that.

Lizardcommando Sep 15, 2006 02:28 AM

Well, it seems as though someone in the media doesn't think video games are the cause of all this pain and destruction. Good for them!

Click here for the full story.

guyinrubbersuit Sep 15, 2006 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Lizardcommando
Well, it seems as though someone in the media doesn't think video games are the cause of all this pain and destruction. Good for them!

Click here for the full story.


And it took a Canadian news site in order to state the obvious. Kudos to them.

Atomic Angel Sep 15, 2006 01:08 PM

I'm starting to see a patternt, the goverment attacks whats most popular atm. Like when comics first came out, or well after ww1, Congress attacked comics, and they weren't even that bad, well not near as bad as they are today. So now that video games, and MTV are popular, people blame them. What I can't understand is people can't see the real problem, the people who do it. Egh, stupids just can't understand that some people are evil, or atleast really really bad.

avanent Sep 15, 2006 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Helloween
I actually misread one of your points. Sorry 'bout that.

no worries.

Lizardcommando Sep 15, 2006 03:37 PM

You know what I realized? I think this asshole's trying to pull a Scream 2 on us from beyond the grave. Remember in that movie, the killer was going to blame his actions on the horror movies, therefore he'd be sentenced to be put in a mental institute instead of being put in death row or whatever? This is exactly what's going on!

Obviously, the pussy's dead, but since it won't be his actions that won't be blamed alone for this crime, he's putting some of the blame on some other thing so it would like he's a victim himself of brainwashing from the violent media and whatnot!

Who else sees this? Does anyone get what I'm saying here?


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