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Milosevic dies in jail

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AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic has died, the UN tribunal said on Saturday, just months before his war crimes trial was expected to conclude.

"Milosevic was found lifeless on his bed in his cell at the United Nations detention unit," the tribunal said in a statement.

"The guard immediately alerted the detention unit officer in command and the medical officer. The latter confirmed that Slobodan Milosevic was dead."

The tribunal said the Dutch police and a Dutch coroner were called in and started an inquiry. A full autopsy and toxicological examination have been ordered. Milosevic's family has been informed, it added.

The tribunal did not say how Milosevic had died. French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy told Reuters Milosevic had died of natural causes.

Milosevic, 64, suffered a heart condition and high blood pressure which had repeatedly interrupted his trial in The Hague on charges of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes during the bloody disintegration of Yugoslavia in the 1990s.

Two cardiologists treating Milosevic in The Hague had warned he was at risk of a potentially life threatening condition known as a hypertensive emergency, when surges in blood pressure can damage the heart, kidneys and central nervous system.

Last month, the tribunal rejected a request by Milosevic to travel to Russia for specialist medical treatment, noting that his trial -- that has already lasted four years -- was in the final stages and he might not return to complete it.

The court said Milosevic's lawyers had not shown that his medical needs could not be met in the Netherlands and said experts from abroad could come to The Hague to treat him.

Milosevic, who was overthrown in 2000 and sent to The Hague in June 2001, said last month his health was worsening.

Milosevic's brother lives in Russia and prosecutors suspect his wife and son do too. The prosecution had opposed his release despite a promise by Russia to return him, fearing he could say his health stopped him from travelling back to The Hague.

The former Serb strongman was defending himself and had refused to cooperate with court-appointed lawyers who are on standby to fill in for him when he is ill.

He had used up more than four-fifths of the 150 days allotted for his defence, suggesting the case could be wrapped up in the next few months barring any new delays. Judges would then need several months to deliberate before a verdict.

Milosevic is charged with 66 counts of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes in complex indictments covering conflicts in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo in the 1990s. He declined to enter a plea.

Last week, former rebel Croatian Serb leader Milan Babic committed suicide at the tribunal's detention centre. Babic had testified against Milosevic and was in The Hague to appear in the trial of another top Croatian Serb.

Scource: http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/News...-MILOSEVIC.xml

I also heard it from numerous German and Serbian sources, so I think that reuters.co.uk is somehow telling the truth.

I wonder how badly this will interrupt the process of justice.

They'll probably continue the trial and posthumously find him guilty on all charges, for closure and shit.

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Originally Posted by Watts

I wonder how badly this will interrupt the process of justice.

I think you can forget the trial now since he is dead. First Babic, then Milosevic...I wonder how long Seselj and Gotovina will make it.

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Originally Posted by The Dopefish

They'll probably continue the trial and posthumously find him guilty on all charges, for closure and shit.

Or it will be like this, since he has defended himself without a lawyer all the time.

It is really a shame that all war criminals die before they can face REAL justice. Same will happen to Saddam, just wait...

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Originally Posted by The Dopefish

They'll probably continue the trial and posthumously find him guilty on all charges, for closure and shit.

Wasn't what I mean't. Now any suspected criminal brought before the Hague could claim that his life is being put under needless endangerment.

There was a suicide a week ago, so this isn't the first time a prisoner has died in the Tribunal's prison. This might open a whole new can of worms. But we'll see what the results from the atopsy says.

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Originally Posted by AlogiA

I think you can forget the trial now since he is dead. First Babic, then Milosevic...I wonder how long Seselj and Gotovina will make it.

Maybe.

Probably not long. Two within practically one week? Is this the way Europeans handle their death penalty?

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Originally Posted by The Dopefish

They'll probably continue the trial and posthumously find him guilty on all charges, for closure and shit.

Yes, and then they'll execute his corpse. Really, though: this should be done if only to prove to people that he really was a criminal (or so to speak).

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Originally Posted by Musharraf

It is really a shame that all war criminals die before they can face REAL justice. Same will happen to Saddam, just wait...

I agree! Itzebegovic and Tudjman were also war criminals, but they died before there were some charges. Karadzic and Mladic are still somewhere in Bosnia.

Some of the ciminals are even released from prison like Fatmir Limaj or the charges are dropped for no reason like the ones one Hasim Tachi.

But what about the war criminals like Bush and Blair? Will they face somday "REAL justice"? Somehow I don't think so...

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Originally Posted by Musharraf

It is really a shame that all war criminals die before they can face REAL justice. Same will happen to Saddam, just wait...

You mean, torture him?

Hopefully he was at least sodomized before he died.

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Originally Posted by kapsi

You mean, torture him?

Uhh no dude do I look as if I was a retard? It's just that without a sentence, you're not guilty of a crime, law is easy as that!

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Originally Posted by Musharraf

It is really a shame that all war criminals die before they can face REAL justice. Same will happen to Saddam, just wait...

Well, that's because the whole trial has incompetence written all over it. As soon as I heard it honestly took them a year to figure out how to charge him with anything I knew they had no clue what the hell they were doing. It's just one big political circus act with incompetent clowns running the show.

Criminals like Saddam or Milosevic should feel the same pain they made their victims feel. But im afraid you cant make someone feel a million deaths -.-

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Originally Posted by Taterdemalion

Hopefully he was at least sodomized before he died.

Probably not. That would be too fair. Sometimes people deserve worse things.

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Originally Posted by Myst'

Criminals like Saddam or Milosevic should feel the same pain they made their victims feel.

Ditto. That is, for Bush and Blair.

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Originally Posted by Atomic Duck

That 's right! Why else would it take them over 5 years?

The trial was often live broadcasted on RTS (Radio Televizija Srbija). Always when Milosevic had some very good counter-statements, the judges turned off his microphone.

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Originally Posted by Killy

Ditto. That is, for Bush and Blair.

Wow. I can't say I've heard this sort of thing too much.
Since when are people criminals for starting wars? (Don't get me wrong, I don't like the 'war' as much as anyone else, but to suggest that someone is a criminal for starting a war is asinine. To my knowledge, those two haven't committed genocide.)

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Originally Posted by Snowknight

To my knowledge, they're just as guilty as any other leading figure for killing civilians and sending young soldiers off to war. Genocide or not, they're just as bad as Milosevic was.

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Originally Posted by AlogiA

Very good counterstatements?
How can anyone justify attempted genocide and crimes against humanity?

Obviously he was being tried for those sorts of things, but he was never found guilty of them. Thats why they have these trials in the first place. Sure we could just go "YOU'RE GUILTY ITS OVER FOR YOU", but then what about the wrongly accused.

Not to say, that he wasn't probably guilty, but you know.

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Originally Posted by AlogiA

That 's right! Why else would it take them over 5 years?

The Nuremburg trials took four years. So it's not like five years is all that much more. Plus, they were supposively close to a sentence.

Investigation of Milosevic's 90+ counts of genocide and crimes against humanity take's time. Every single count must be throughly proven in the interests of justice.

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Originally Posted by Breakable

How can anyone justify attempted genocide and crimes against humanity?

Because it is not for 100% sure if Milosevic has the full responsibility for ALL massacres in Bosnia commited by Serbs. Karadzic and Mladic made many crimes on their own without Milosevic's oders.

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Originally Posted by Devo

I believe there is a charter within the UN the U.S. has not signed which keeps our leaders from being persecuted of war crimes.

Not exactly, we don't officially recognize the authority of the international crime court.

That doesn't mean they still couldn't try Americans for crimes against humanity, it's just that there'd be no point.