Parental rights denied by 9th Circuit Court
 

Although this decision was made in 11/05, I think it merits discussion. The 9the Circuit Court determined that parents have to exclusive constitutional right to determine what their children are taught regarding sexual matters. The court ruled that the parents rights end at the school door. The case revolves around a sex survey given to elementary school kids asking questions of a deeply personal and sexual manner. (How often do you touch yorself, etc.). The parents objected, saying they should determine what their kids are exposed to regarding sexuality.

Sound to me like an open door for any pro gay, pro abortion, etc. agenda that the schools feel are proper and politocally correct. It would seem to me like a violation of the parents first amendment right to practice the religion of their choice. The court held that parents still have to choice as to where to send their kids to school, but with the liberal fight against vouchers, how many parents really have this choice?

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Can we please ban the word, agenda, from Political Palace? Forever, ever, and ever?

Or a quota system unusable by Wesker.

What does the parents' religion have to do with a sexually aware survey?

Who's to say the parents know best? If parents wish to affect the education of their own child in public school, they are also affecting the education of all kids in that school. If parents want their kids to learn about something in a manner they deem apporpriate, they should teach it to their children themselves. And that, of course, is allowed. What is not allowed (and upheld by this court) is parents spreading their own agenda over all kids instead of just their own.

If this is the case I'm thinking of, these were SECOND GRADERS, people - not high schoolers. The parents absolutely should have a say over *if* (I was going to say "what", but that is totally out of the realm of rational thinking) their seven-year-olds are exposed to with regard to sex, religion, peanut butter vs. peanut butter & jelly, whether or not the sky is blue, or any other subject imaginable.

Are you people crazy?

Like I said, I thought this was referring to the case (in New Hampshire or Connecticut or one of those states) where second-graders were given a questionnaire regarding masturbation, homosexuality, etc. without parental consent.

Actually, when I was in fifth grade, they DID do that. >_>

We literally had to get a permission slip signed to take a sex ed/health class. It was taught by the lesbian gym teacher. No joke.

And I don't have a problem with this letter (in the article...thing)
Personally, I would do the homework on the CSPP and be sure they're legit. (which I am sure they are.)

I would sign that. I imagine they're not idiotic and they'll hold themselves in good taste with administering an evaluation. This is coming from a person who doesn't trust doctors.

I am sure they're not going to ask first graders anything terribly graphic - its more than likely geared towards a first grader's mind. These are psychologists. Not pedophiles. They're doing your community a service.

maybe it's just me but it seems kids of younger and younger age learn of these things and swearing and such.

I don't really get the POINT of the survey to start with - what was it's purpose being there in the first place? Or someone along the school board just curious what those little children do these days during their boutifull 'free times'? If they're going to teach sexuality just teach it for goodness sake, the kids are there to learn and not to conclude a survey on how often they touch themselves.

EDIT: OK. But still, throwing a survey like this at them is just strange to begin with. If they think they need to get covered over this sexuality thing a bit earlier or more in detail or on other topics as well, I think the media reveals this very well on violent acts on younger youth as well as all that's up on the news: couldn't they get the concenus off of that or they need some hard proof that they need to change the course or something?

After carefully reading all of this document, theres really absolutely NOTHING these parents could get upset about.

These seem like valid questions to me. I don't know.

These are still 1st-5th grade kids we're talking about....I mean I can see maybe starting the questionare (with the sex-related questions) maybe 5th and up....but not 1st-4th graders. I mean I have nothing against sex-ed or anything....it's just that most 1st and 2nd (and maybe 3rd graders) don't know where babies come from let alone what 'sex' or 'masterbation/"touching myself"' mean. At least that's the way it was when I was in school (I became home schooled after 4th grade). But then again....kids are maturing sooner and sooner now adays....so who knows....the kids in those grades probaly DO know where babies come from and the meaning of 'sex' :/ .....

I'm not sure what the survey intends to accomplish when the subjects don't even have a base understanding of sex. I mean, when you get into 4th and 5th Grade you're gonna have some kids "in the know" who get boners looking at swimsuit calendars, but 1st Graders?

In either case, if parents don't like it, they can send their kids to private school. It's a free country. :cow:

I considered that, but wrote it off as just a necessity to get scientifically acceptable statistics. Gonna need those for graphs.

"What Is Sex' has garnered seventy percent of the results, professor."

"GOOD! GOOD! Feed it to the machine!"

All I know is that I certainly wouldn't want my 7 year old asking me what sex was all of a sudden. Aren't I supposed to have time to prepare for these things?

Most first and second graders do know roughly where babies come from. Well, pretty roughly. The way my folks explained it, I thought parents made soup from which the baby emerged.

After reading the questions, I don't object. It's like how the doctor tells you that you shouldn't let anyone touch you in your bathing suit area.

When the hell did you guys first find out about babies and sex? Christ, did I drop into Lives-Under-A-Rock-land?

No, I don't believe I'll ever feel like doing a laid son, thank you very much madam.

Also, how far along is the pregnancy?

Double Post:
My mom claims that she gave me "The Talk" after the neighbor's kid knocked up his girlfriend and I saw her walking on the sidewalk all pregnant. Of course, I have absolutely no recollection of this, so she could just be feeding me lies.

I remember finding said kid's stash of girly mags, and that would be the first exposure to sexuality that spiralled me into an awkward perversion of pre-adolescent thought.

Isn't childhood wonderful?

That's not surprising. Parents are required to surrender their children to the state for their... education. Under threat of imprisonment. The state has and always will decide what needs to be taught.

School is a religion. Where you're taught to obey authority without question. It does wonders preparing children to be complacent members of a modern capitalist society. Smart people are dangerous after all.

The problem here, as I see it rests with the subject matter. Science, math, English, etc are valid subjects, usually without a moral bearing one way or the other. Inquiring as to a childs sexual thoughts, teaching certain sexual matters as normal when they perhaps are not for many people, well, this crosses the line.

I find it interesting the idea put forth by the court that parents have no "exclusive Constitutional right" to the education of their kids. Taken to its logical conclusion that though would end homeschooliong and private schools and mandate government approved brainwashing..i mean "education".

And what sick pervert is studying how many times a frist grader considers matrubation...thats just sick.