Thanks for posting that article. I didn't know that Daley was endorsing him for the 2008 elections. Do you know why he's remained neutral until this election?

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I don't know why we're considered African American's either (my father was white and my mother was black) it's just how things are I guess, and I figure "African American" is better than saying black americans or colored americans.


I am going to listen to the candidates, it's just in my community it's either you see yourself as a woman first, or you see your race comes first (although I have established that I'm mixed). I dunno how it is everywhere else.

Not if the "African American" in question is actually from Haiti, or Jamaica, or actually anywhere in the Caribbean, or South America, or is a black person from Europe.

Or of course, like most black folks in America, they've never actually been to Africa.

I think its because for most people its easier to judge just with their eyes rather than read or listen and think about it, 'cuze we all know looks count for almost everything, almost. Not to mention its been a while since we've had a serious black president contender. Its obviously going to attract attention to his race and skin color.

If I recall Obama is'nt 'african' but he is black by american society standards :o.

Not to start a quote train but:


Most people look down on being led by a woman. Especially men. There will be a conflict of decision come time to vote. Obama though is ok as long as he doesn't come off like he has it in the bag - the perception the media is trying to accomplish.

African American is a PC term instead of black. It doesn't make sense, I mean what if they were black and lived in Canada? But you're right, you can't say Jamaicans are African Americans either. Weren't there people complaining that Obama isn't black enough? :rolleyes:

You're assuming that people follow politics, make intelligent decisions, and choose candidates based on their credentials. I think a good portion of voters vote because they should go, but they go with an uninformed vote. You might say that is better than not voting at all, but democracy is a joke if that's how people cast that vote.

How many people out there will not vote for a person simply because they are black or female? Bush got elected by people who simply think he's a "good Christian man" which is great, but good Christians don't necessarily make good Presidents. (that was just an example from an interview I saw - not implying that everyone who voted for Bush is that ignorant)

I thought that I might add that, from all that I know, Republicans are chomping at the bit for primaries to finish. Activists aren't confident about the Republican presidential ticket or their chances in the state legislatures, governorships, or Congress. However, with a Clinton/Obama/Edwards ticket likely, whatever the permutation, the G.O.P. can't wait to (and I quote) "**** them up." 3 very liberal candidates (by American standards) are absolute fodder for the behemoth that is the Republican fundraising and campaign machine.

I like Obama. If any one concept can impart upon Obama, "Lincoln-esque" (hate the concept) qualities, it lies with the issue of his naivete and therefore the capability to not get drawn into the crapfilled diaper that is conventional politics where he will then just stay the course of his parties will, living out the rest of his days mundaning himself with only with the stifling nature of the erstwhile political scheme, where change is feared and stability is king.
Unfortunately it seems that some mistake stability for continuity. Lincoln proved that great change is needed in order to grow. To put it in these terms, the giant crap filled diaper, otherwise known as the current political state, needs to be changed and perhaps Obama is just the man for the task.

He has many good ideas (probably all impractical at first glance) but his drive and his belief in what he is doing (and the people's belief in him) may allow him to make changes that this nation sorely needs.

Yes, because America so desperately needs to become a socialist country.

Night Phoenix, regardless of political beliefs, I can't imagine that we won't become more socialist after the past eight years. I mean, the majority of people are very wary of conservativism (well, neo-conservativism) right now. And it's probably the time that the pendulum will swing once again.

I like Obama in some regards, but I think his goals aren't direct enough. Even though he talks about change a lot and trying to go for the Presidency, I can't really tell you one thing the man claims he's going to do. And I've been watching his videos and all.

One thing that confuses me: why is one of his key points reconciling 'faith and politics'? Is that an eager bid to grab some theocrats on the right, or has he missed the memo that people are scared of a Christian fascist society?

Hachifusa, it's a lame defensive parry for the religious right juggernaut (short story: I'm 1 of them, currently in college with good prospects in several of the top ones, though I hope to change them to make them, you know, not insane). He's a Unitarian, so if he makes the top bit of the Democrat ticket, conservative Christians are going to absolutely hammer him on all fronts.

Hell, we've become more socialist over the past eight years than we did during the entirety of the Clinton Administration.

My problem with more and more socialism is that it is irreversible. Of course, I feel I'm helpless to stop America's decline into this destructive economic system and I see it as an inevitability. So it not like it matters anyway.

I'm still pretty new to politics (I'm finally able to vote this year, horray!), but Obama makes me want to learn about policies and laws. When he speaks, it doesn't feel like I'm being patronized when I hear Bush or other politicians; I feel like I can connect with his ideals and beliefs, and that he can listen to mine as well.

There's still a ways to go, but I'd like to believe that Obama does have a chance.

I don't suggest on voting for someone just because they can give a good speech or get ones blood going after hearing one. Many people can give "good" speeches hell most politicians can, that doesn't make a person qualified for office. Don't be swayed by charisma and a good tongue. Look up the Candidates record if he has one and do some good ol' research.

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The great mass of people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.

Whoever recognizes that quote is a wise man indeed, I just hope the world never sees one like the author of it again, even though we have had worse on our planet.

no googles plz

Why? It's a well-known quote.

Congratulations on Godwining the thread, though.

You can blame that on the current administration's continual idiocy.