"Random" Japanese.
...So I'm curious about the usage of Japanese among non-Japanese users on the Internet. To be specific, I'd like to know about what people think about:
Also, I can vaguely remember a good post someone made here ages ago on picking screen names, which touched on the whole "random Japanese" issue. Can anyone point me to it? And yes I know of the irony of my screen name here. Anywho, thanks in advance! EDIT: Okay, no homework now. |
IN BEFORE YAMAMAN.... oh.
Anyways, NIHONGO is only used when you talk to NIHON-JIN. Aside from that, it's STUPID. |
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I've no problem with people using Japanese (or any other language) in their daily speech, but there has to be a bit of context to it. Using Japanese vocabulary, like ofuro instead of bath, is fine, but if they start going "this was really sugoi" or "did you see that kawaii nee-chan" is awkward and annoying usually.
I use it in my posts and speech (written, not verbal) on occasion, but only in a jocular manner, and only with people I am friendly with. I don't think I could ever in any seriousness sprinkle Japanese in my everyday speech without looking bad. I have had some studies in the language and visited the country once, but that's really all I can say about that. Wai~ |
No I don't use Japanese in my speech. I dont really mind it most of the time. It can get annoying when people continually mix Japanese and English (or any other language) over and over again when it doesn't match at all. My youngest sister is an example of this. She's constantly peppering her speech with Japanese words. (Yes, she has gone Oh god that's so KAWAIII!)
If I use any Japanese I attempt to actually speak it. If I ever do mix the two languages it's done when making fun of those who do. Which is normally only when around a certain few friends. Who really hate people you would call wapanese. |
I've yet to encounter anyone I know in real life who used "random" Japanese in their speech. I don't use Japanese words when I type online except if I know that those who read it will understand the humor behind it.
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The only time I hear random Japanese is always on an anime convention and boy, it is creepy.
I only use Japanese on the net and the words are those used to death already (like kawaii~ or similar) just for poking fun. |
One of the ten nerdiest things you can do is to want to learn and use Japanese for any sort of percieved chic, or 'show' factor. It's not chic, it's entirely the opposite. Anyone who dropped a word like 'kawaii' into real life conversation would be met with similar revulsion from me as would meet anyone who said the word 'lol'. They are both displays of that person losing touch, becoming entirely un-self concious, and slipping into some alternate geek reality.
It's little better using it on the internet, but there is more license to do so and less room for scorn because at least the internet already occupies that alternate geek reality. A particular point I want to mention are indeed those -chan style suffixes. When a westerner uses one they're just being a cringeworthy Japophile, but what about when someone with a Japanese background uses one? Why do that? It's so in-your-face. Is it important for them to have a big arrow pointing at their ethnicity and culture? Are they bragging about being Japanese? |
The only time I've ever had someone insert random Japanese into English conversation was with my Japanese professor, who is a native Japanese speaker, and also in a position of trying to encouraging me and others of her students to make Japanese a part of their natural thought process, which ultimately takes grueling repetition. In this case, inserting Japanese into conversation is perfectly legitimate since it encourages learning and, more importantly, is actually done correctly so that the correct things are being learned as a native Japanese speaker would naturally speak.
In situations outside of this, I generally agree with Kolba, although I do of course sometimes try so speak Japanese with other English speakers also learning the language (and of course, when granted the opportunity, with actual native Japanese speakers). But randomly saying sugoi, kakkoii, kawaii, and other such phrases that anyone who's watched a couple fandubs should know is just annoying. |
Back in high school there was a group of girls who would drop random Japanese words into their sentences while talking, and it was incredibly annoying. I don't have a problem with it when written, especially since it's usually joking, but it just sounds awkward when spoken. It would have been nifty if they had actually been interested in learning the language rather than just showing off what huge anime fans they were.
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I've only ever met one person who interjected random bits of Japanese into daily speech. However, he was a raging otaku faggot, so I tried to distance myself.
I'll say "kawaii" or the like out of irony, though. |
It is unacceptable. If you cannot hold a conversation in Japanese with a native speaker of the language, or some fluent equivalent, you have no right to butcher the language. This goes for any language, except since Japanese culture is so popular, it really applies only to this.
People who do butcher the language, add things like "-chan" or give themselves Japanese names, say "kawaii" or "sugoi" without knowing how utterly disgusting it sounds, these are the people that should burn in a fire and die. I'm lucky enough to be able to speak with a lot of native speakers, and a few of my friends are near-fluent. Most of the time with these people, touchy subject get talked about in Japanese (Because sometimes its easier to communicate that way). I have a friend and we constantly butcher Japanese, constantly, but its so exaggerated that its obvious its for humor purposes. The point here is if you don't know the language and you just say shit you (may think you) know to be cool, you actually are not cool at all. You just look like an idiot. I happen to know people who suffer from severe japanofaggotry and its a very sad sight to see. I'm very unforgiving. edit//Yama, for the record, you're disgusting and need to die in a fire, too. I don't want you to feel left out. |
日本語を正しく使えなければ、使わないでください。恥ずかしく, 気持ち悪いと思います。えひひ。>_<
If you can read and understand that, you're ok, I guess. The rest of you; JUST FU***NG STOP! YOU'RE EMBARRASSING YOURSELVES AND THIS COMMUNITY! |
Since I don't speak much Japanese and don't know very many Japanese people (Because the majority of them only stay in Canada for a short time), I don't have random Japanese language tendencies.
But, I know much more in Korean and I have been known for randomly speaking Korean, such as swears or saying hello, and when I am with Korean friends I speak it even more. As for writing, I know very little of the written, so I don't do any of that, Korean or otherwise. Japanese culture doesn't exist much where I live. Many just stay for short exchanges, while Chinese, and Korean stay for longer periods of time. |
The only thing more annoying than white people acting black is white people acting Japanese. Just stop. Do you people not realize how ridiculous you are. Okay, so Japanese girls are cute, but stop the god damn obsessing. Learning Japanese so you can watch anime is more retarded than those Star Trek nerds learning Klingon. Here's a hint. There is very good reason why the Japanese point and laugh at white people trying to be like them.
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Also people who clearly cannot speak Japanese yet spatter their English with the three Japanese words they picked up from their anime need to suffocate. |
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I definitely agree that it is helpful in an educational setting because of the whole "Use it or Lose it" deal. I found that after 2 years of not studying Japanese I still remember quite a bit of it having to keep on my toes when certain friends speak to me. Unfortunately, I've forgotten things like Kanji (most of it) and some Katakana. I'm really out of practice, and the opportunities outside of a classroom setting to write in Japanese are virtually non-existant. With that, I can definately tell when someone is obviously a Japanese student and is trying to use that technique in improving their proficiency w/ the language, and the people who watch too much Anime. I personally will never walk around going "OMG KAWAYUSU LOLOL SUGOI!" and use the suffix -chan on everyone's name. And I would refrain from speaking any Japanese in a Anime Convention or any Anime related event. I find that sort of thing awkward and grating. |
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Typical deviantArt anime-art comment style japanese "sprinkling," however, annoys the crap out of me. |
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I am guilty of randomly throwing out "kawaii!" with a select few of my girl friends and pinching their cheeks. As well as my more recent use of the phrase "Taihen, desu ne?" However, I don't randomly sprinkle it in my everyday talk with normal people or excessively with the people I say those phrases to.
I'm currently taking Japanese and hope to minor in it or go teach English in Japan one day, and have moved out of the fanboy phase for the most part. I know that I wouldn't want my friends coming up to me saying "mite mite!" or "Sasuga da yo...fufufufu~". |
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