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I poked it and it made a sad sound Sep 24, 2012 05:03 PM

Obama 2012?
I'm sick of looking at the Occupy thread. Can we please talk about the campaign this year?

I know some people are not too thrilled with Obama's past 4 years. Those people seem to range from super-liberals who wish he had gotten more done to the right wingers who frequent my Facebook page, and others who just like to yell at me about Ron Paul a lot.

How do you feel about Obama? Would you like to see him in a second term? Do you think he's done enough? Do you think he should have done more?

Are you a fan of Mitt? (Really?) Do you think he was a good selection to run against Obama? How about Paul Ryan? What do you think of them?

What about Congress? Those guys are pretty good at not getting anything done, too.

What are your thoughts and concerns with the upcoming election?

packrat Sep 24, 2012 05:42 PM

In practice, I feel Mitt will be only slightly different from Obama, excepting social issues and maybe foreign policy.
This isn't to say that they're not significant, but there is some serious shit that's been going on pretty much unimpeded since Dubya via this War on Terrorism, and I hold out little hope that any R or D has the political interest to change that.

Jessykins Sep 24, 2012 06:41 PM

I'm hoping that Obama, not concerned with having to be re-elected, will actually get some things he wants through. Not that it's that easy, I know, but I feel like he might play harder with the Republicans this time. If not, then I still doubt it'd be worse than the alternative.

Mittens kind of scares me. Well, not necessarily him, but the Republicans right now as a whole. All the shit I hear about abortions, legitimate rapes, invasive ultrasounds, etc. it makes me reeeeaally worried about what they would try and do if they had total control. I don't want to see this country set back by ridiculous policy that is influenced by religious or moral values, and that seems to be the brunt of what they want.

The decision is pretty easy for me, being a woman and a homosexual. The Republicans make it pretty clear that I'm not welcome (not that I'd want to be).

nuttyturnip Sep 24, 2012 07:22 PM

The problem with our political system is that nobody ever gets anything done in their first term, for fear of not getting re-elected. Everybody is all, "I'm going to stand up to [opposing party] and push my stuff through" but then reality sets in and they compromise or just flat out give in. Hopefully, in Obama's second term he'll stand up to the Republicans more on budget issues, gay marriage, etc.

packrat Sep 24, 2012 07:25 PM

Didn't Obama, at one point, declare that he would get shit done and do the right thing, or something to that effect, even if it meant he might not get re-elected?

EDIT: Ah, yeah. Here we go.
YouTube Video

Also, is there some political advantage over being a second term president, given the above? Maybe I'm missing something crucial, but it seems if anything, his political positioning is probably even better in his first term than he will be in his second.

I poked it and it made a sad sound Sep 24, 2012 07:29 PM

I don't understand this whole "he didn't get anything done" perspective.

I mean, he got healthcare reform done in the first 4 years. That's something pretty incredible if you ask me. I mean, whether or not you agree with Obamacare is one thing, but the fact that the Kenyan Muslim Nazi Terrorist pushed that shit through still astounds me. He's got a whole list of accomplishments, but some could be argued. The healthcare reform is what leaps to the front of my mind.

Meanwhile, I hate to point it out, but how can Romney talk so much shit about Obamacare when he was pretty much the guy who implemented it first here in Massachusetts?

Dopefish Sep 24, 2012 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by Ancient McOldington (Post 804901)
Hopefully, in Obama's second term he'll stand up to the Republicans more on budget issues, gay marriage, etc.

Either that, or he won't have to if the Democrats win control of the House and retain control of the Senate.

RacinReaver Sep 25, 2012 09:00 AM

Don't worry, even if the Democrats get the presidency and all of Congress they'll still manage enough infighting to prevent anything from happening.

It's good to know we don't even need two parties to have an ineffective government.

Maris Sep 25, 2012 09:18 AM

i suport what ever candidate is best for russian interests that means that i want a president who does`not fuck and interfere with russian interests in the world, then it`is okay to have a president at all !

datschge Sep 25, 2012 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by Sassafrass (Post 804890)
How do you feel about Obama?

As an outsider I think Obama is worse than Bush. Bush was plain dumb, Obama is vile.

Ah! Amoeba Sep 25, 2012 01:51 PM

As an outsider you don't really know what you are talking about.

wvlfpvp Sep 25, 2012 02:48 PM

So what about the documentary Obama 2016? You know, the one playing to all sorts of super fanatical poor white trash Republicans that I've seen reviews by conservatives saying is poorly researched?

Oh yeah, I'm not worried at ALL about whether we'll be saddled with Romney/Faggot

Ah! Amoeba Sep 25, 2012 02:56 PM

Black family violently arguing over the board game Monopoly.

Uuuhhhhh. What.

I poked it and it made a sad sound Sep 25, 2012 03:25 PM

"In theaters summer 2012" - Never heard of it. Maybe it's because I'm not in bizarro land up here in the north?

I don't even know what that trailer was trying to express.

Kenya. Scary music. Scary graphics. Obama is going to sneak into your house tonight, murder your dog and rape your wife. WATCH OUT!

wvlfpvp Sep 25, 2012 03:53 PM

Yeah, there were free showings when it was first released down here. And the intended audience is eating it up.

Ah! Amoeba Sep 25, 2012 04:01 PM

Let's not exaggerate things, Sass.

Obama would never sneak into your house to kill your dog himself.

Radez Sep 25, 2012 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by Ah! Amoeba (Post 804954)

He would send Seal Team 6 on a capture mission instead.

"Fluffy was reaching for an AK!"

Ah! Amoeba Sep 25, 2012 04:56 PM

His options on how to eliminate your pet are basically limitless.


i am good at jokes Sep 25, 2012 06:26 PM

From an outsider's perspective:

These look like they are good things.

- Attempting to socialize healthcare

Though the specifics aren't necessarily the best (mostly due to Republican obstructionism and insurance company lobbying), if you need an explanation YOU ARE RETARD.

- Snuffing Netanyahou

Hopefully this will lead to a more proactive peace-brokering, as Israel may start to feel a bit less invincible, though I am not holding my breath. At the very least, maybe Obama will start listening to the international community on this, for a change.

- Student loan forgiveness program

You guys in the States pay crazy money for school, and student debt is becoming a disaster. Any relief initiative is good in that sense.

- Not being Mitt Romney


These things are less positive in my eyes, though it may be due to my limited understanding of the magical science that is modern economics.

- Killing Osama Bin Laden while it seemed it would be possible to capture him instead, and disposing of the body in a less than orthodox fashion

I understand the vote-mongering mentality behind it, but that does very little to make it morally right

- Handling of the Wall Street bailout

I'm no economist, but on the surface it seems the people responsible for the crash were the ones most well rewarded in the end, and taxpayers who lost so much already are footing the bill.

- Handling of the auto industry bailout

Again, not an economist, but I've read many an article about shady parts of the handling, even though specific details elude me right now.

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Ah yes, also for good things:

- Does not think science is a waste of time when we have religion

This probably also works as an argument for Obama v. Romney.

Misogynyst Gynecologist Sep 25, 2012 07:29 PM

Mitt is basically a harmless posterchild for some bat-shit awful people. The crazies want their own puppet president and Mitt is it.

What the crazies don't get is that they'll never, say, overturn Rowe Vs Wade. If a president went into office and said he was going to do that, he'd be politically destroyed by the American judicial system within a year's time. Obliterated. Kansas wouldn't even be able to write a song about him - there wouldn't even be dust left.

(Alternately, no one wants RvW to go away. Both sides like to use it to get into office but neither ever act on their promises to restrict / enforce it. It's existence is exactly where every politican can use it until the end of time.)

I'm not big on Obama - he's sort of the Apple Industry for the political world: those that like him are fanatical about him and everyone else is an idiot to said fantatics.

Ron Paul has some good ideas but then so did Ross Perot. And that's all you need to know.

In the long run, the best thing to do is vote for Obama - despite him just continuing Bush Jr's military system NICELY - and wait for the Tea Party assholes to dissipate like the Wig party.

The unmovable stubborn Sep 25, 2012 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by LeHah (Post 804966)
Ron Paul has some good ideas but then so did Ross Perot. And that's all you need to know.

Of course, Ross Perot actually had a significant war chest and a reasonably competent political machine behind him, whereas Ron Paul has a few thousand autistic Redditors.

Additional Spam:
Not that a Perot presidency would have necessarily been good times — dude had a dictatorial streak a mile wide — but at least he had some apparent concept of actual reality instead of a big burlap bag full of unbending principles!

Sarag Sep 25, 2012 07:47 PM


Ron Paul has some good ideas
Ron Paul believes in personal freedom to the point where the FDA is abolished (because people should be free to choose what to ingest) but also believes that abortion should be outlawed.

Ron Paul built an entire mystique around being against government corruption (in that he believes all government is corruption). He also is pretty dang corrupt, giving campaign money to family and double-billing for travel expenses.

Also he is a big fat racist.

Misogynyst Gynecologist Sep 25, 2012 07:48 PM

The problem with Ron Paul is basically that the American political spectrum has narrowed so much that if youre not on one of two sides, you don't exist. A century ago, democrats and republicans were more centerists with batshit insane anarchists, socialists, autocrats and Corn Dogs For Dickless Amish Hampsters made up the far ends. One of the reasons American politics is stagnant is that, well, the whole system is stagnant.

This isn't to say I'd vote for Paul... but in another time, his ideas would be absorbed and refined into more mainstream concepts by other leaders. He was never getting into office. But now, no one will adapt any of his ideas either.

I liked Ross Perot but he ruined his chances with his crazy infomercials where he pointed at graphs for three hours and then brought on The Admiral as his running mate.

Sarag Sep 25, 2012 10:35 PM

I mean I don't know how many good ides you can get from a guy who thinks that taxation is an intolerable intrusion upon personal freedom, while an occupied uterus is no longer under the ownership of the woman (and thus she has no freedom to act upon it).

Or a racist. I don't know how many good ideas these days can come from a guy who straight-up runs with white supremacists.

I mean I see what you're saying; I too don't want to go to war against the world, and think pot shouldn't be as illegal as it is. I'm just saying, I would rather listen to the other guys saying these things.

Dullenplain Sep 25, 2012 11:56 PM

Voting the same person I voted for in 2008 to show that Texas isn't some mythical monolithic voting bloc despite all those fancy news infographics that grossly simplify how elections work because of a rather outdated, inefficient, and prone to quibbling vote tallying system.

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