Bush makes USA look bad
 

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I know its sort of repetitive, but i want to ask how ppl consider bushs actions at this point.

1. There has never been been a program for nuclear weapons in iraq
2. There has never been been a mobile biological-weapon labority in iraq
3. There has been no connection between al-Qaida and Saddam Hussein
4. There is no free democracy in iraq now, instead it's murder and mayhem

These are facts and if you still don't believe in these things then fox and co has washed your brain very proper.

In the last interview i saw from bush he compared himself to george washington. He said that coming generations have to judge him, because today no one has a clear understanding of his actions.

A day later or so he confessed that CIA indeed tortured supposed terrorists in the eastern EU. A half year ago he said just the opposite. Really, wtf

No, he admitted that the CIA had prisons in Europe. He didn't admit torture.

Well i know of a german who had been captured and turtured for month just because he had the same name as a terrorist. So keep spinning some words arround if that makes things righter for you.

And sorry i have to correct myself, it wasnt bush it was Condoleezza Rice who said that:

I support the installation of prisons in the eastern part of the European Union, we can save a lot of money that way.

matter of opinion. It's not less democratic than before the war.

But all these small things really don't matter to me at all. Its just that everything he made of the USA goverment makes USA just look very bad.

Remember the "Axis of Weasels"? Those guys didn't buy all that shit from day one. Thats why none of those nations set a foot into iraq. So please don't blame the US intelligence for anything, because no one with common sense would accept that they did knew less then those in the "Axis of Weasels".

And please don't think that anything of that makes me happy - Its saddening.

Yes money is all that matters ...

Well so you aggree that USA wasted billons of $$$ and 1500 soldiers lives down there for nothing?

Really now? What's his name? Who tortured him? Is there proof that he was indeed tortured? Where those who tortured him prosecuted?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_el-Masri

But i know one thing for sure Night Phoenix, that your "faith" in bush will never falter. You just keep words spinning and mixing up till everything is "right" in your kind of mind.

I tell you what, saying that something is true, doesn't actually make it true. And your stupid questions do nothing more then to let you look so.

The wikipedia quote that you attribute to Condoleezza Rice here says exactly what I said -- that they admitted to having prisons but not to torture.

All Night Phoenix did was ask questions, how does this apply in the slightest? Try to listen to you're own advice. The only source you've cited so far is a wikipedia page, and even then the information you cut and pasted didn't back up your point.

I won't look that up for you in the www, because i can't tell you what you have to believe or not. If you think the CIA has secret prisons and no one there gets tortured or anything, then thats fine with me.

Because i know that my words will never really reach NP.

I can't tell him what is true or false - Only Bush can.

And what backup does my point need? Is there anything that i could post here that would make you think about how bush makes the USA look bad? Just listen to him for a while and if you can't figure out that something is wrong with him, then something is wrong with you. In the last interview i saw he suggested that he is as important as george washington, do you understand that?

I live in Canada and politically I'm a left-leaning libertarian. I know how bad Bush is making the U.S. look. You can't assume that I support Bush because I correct something false that you have written. I have not stated whether or not I believe they used torture methods, simply that they have not admitted it. Liberals who have a "with us or against us" attitude are just as bad as conservatives in my books.

Where did i say you support bush?

Well to me that is a matter of common sense. Remember when Cheney tried to push senators for exemption to CIA torture ban? Why would you do something like that if you don't torture at all?

I doubt your words will really reach anybody. When was the last time you posted something and somebody responded with, "Geeze, Jonus, I never thought of it like that before! Boy, you've really changed my perspective!" Why the hell did you even make this thread? There are plenty of others in here where we rant on and on about differences of opinion about Bush.

And for the record, Bush and Washington are similar; they share a couple initials. :lolsign:

All I see here is a thread made to say "bush sux lolol" and a budding flame war, neither of which we need.