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Cirno Mar 5, 2006 09:49 PM

Blood+ Discussion
 

Plot Summary
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Throughout the passage of time and the shifts in backgrounds, a particular war continues to leave its mark on history, extending its influence into the modern world. There are two major groups involved in the ensuring war. The first group consists of monsters known as Chiropterans who can change their appearances into that of human beings. They are actually immortals who feed on the blood of the living. The second group is an organisation known as the "Red Shield", formed to track down these monsters and exterminate them. Otonashi Saya is a high-school girl who lives a peaceful life with her family. The only problem is, she has no recollections of her life beyond that of the past year. However, her happy life will be destroyed by an event that will lead her to her destined fate.
This series is a sequel to the OAV "Blood: The Last Vampire" which was based on a manga by Mamoru Oshii and Benkyo Tamaoki (who did the story and artwork for the manga Blood: The Last Vampire 2002). It's rumored that Blood+ may be direct sequel to this manga (in fact, I think this was confirmed).

And for no reason at all, from the second OP:
http://img335.imageshack.us/img335/1...14315621vt.gif

The anime starts off slowly and actually doesn't build up a steady flow until around episode 12. For it's emphasis on character and plot development, Blood+ is one the more ridiculed anime for being "boring." I suppose it helped that I was a fan of the OAV and manga, since I've even gone so far as to download RAWs of the series. I'm an action nut and I must say that anime without shit blowing up is a major turn-off for me. Fortunately, Blood+ has some decent fight scenes that get better and evolve (slowly, unfortunately).

The anime's fairly dark, with gore (although not on level with Elfen Lied) and characters getting the axe. There are few moments of humor, but they're so often kept in the realm of "realism" that it feels more natural than the stuff you'd see in most other series'. If you're going to check this series out, I again give warning that it's a slow show ... but it's worth it.

The anime is scheduled for around 52 episodes.

Fansubbers
Shinsen-Subs
Bakakozou Subs

Spatula Mar 5, 2006 10:21 PM

I've been steadily following this series and it's alright. Saya is a pretty enjoyable character that doesn't have many annoying quirks, but sometimes I find her a bit too much on the "nice" side. Perhaps when she finally "wakes up" to her full potential as how she was in the Vietnam War, then she'll go nuts.

Also, with the last episode, 19, I believe:
Spoiler:
I'm curious as to how she's going to get her sword fixed, as that brings a pretty big blow to her offence, and Hagi doesn't look in a great state either. Tune in next time!

Cirno Mar 5, 2006 10:25 PM

I watched the raw of episode 21 earlier this morning. Very, VERY good episode action-wise.

Episode 21
Spoiler:
Hagi finally makes up for getting the taste knocked out of his mouth in recent episodes. He takes on a bunch of those cloaked "Schiff" guys pretty well, making use of speed we've only seen glimpses of before. It was a nice change of pace, even if he gets his ass beaten in the end.

lemonmanko Mar 5, 2006 11:28 PM

very good series i've been on it since day one

i loved it soo much im considering picking up all the blood manga soon ~nods~

rofl at gif
you just had to make a gif the most retarded part of the 2nd op didn't you Emmanuel Lewis :p

Peter Mar 6, 2006 08:22 AM

I have to admit, I stopped watching the show after the first few episodes, since it wasn't nearly as good as I expected it to be, until a friend showed me fragments from episode 12 I believe, the one with the little kids turning into bloodthristy monsters. It was pretty shocking, but it got me interested enough to watch it again. It's still only an above average show, with flat characters and rather boring fights, but the blood, the music and the overall story make it worth the time.

Arkhangelsk Mar 7, 2006 10:19 AM

I have a few eps of this that I haven't gotten around to watching, but I'm rather curious. Originally I was mostly interested in this because the BGM is of such high quality, and a little because the OVA pissed me off by its complete lack of real story.

Also, the man with the cello...intrigues me. Anybody in anime/manga that plays a string instrument intrigues me, even if it's not the focus of the series.

Cirno Mar 12, 2006 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkhangelsk
Also, the man with the cello...intrigues me. Anybody in anime/manga that plays a string instrument intrigues me, even if it's not the focus of the series.

Hagi is his name. He plays an enormous role in the story and is deeply involved with Saya's history. They recently revealed most of it in episode 22. Although it was a RAW and I didn't understand a word of what they were saying, the visuals provide an interesting look into who Hagi was and his behavior.

Spatula Mar 12, 2006 10:29 PM

I watched episode 20 recently, released by Bakakozou subs. It was a decent episode with Karl Solomon (that his name right? The one that danced with Saya back at the girls' academy) showing some skills. I TELL YOU! HE'S DANGEROUS.

This is a much slower paced anime than most I've seen so far. It doesn't really feel that Red Shield has done much, lately. Perhaps they're uncovering clues here and there, but so far I haven't experienced any real "tension" in the series so far, save for a few encounters with the Chevalier.

ALSO: That "gay" Chevalier freaks me out. Getting it up with the military men.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Diva's all about.

Cirno Mar 12, 2006 10:35 PM

His name is Solomon. Karl is the long-haired one with dual personalities, also known as ...

Spoiler:
The Phantom. Solomon danced with Saya at the girls' school briefly.


It was nice to see him kick ass, and I really can't wait to see what all they're capable of later. If the Chevaliers and Schiff are this strong and fast, I can't wait to see Saya actually awaken to her full potential.

As for Red Shield...

Spoiler:
They've just been trying to track down Diva, which has led to a few solo episodes, the latest of which featured Kai helping David and the other guy track down a scientist in Russia. In episode 20, Kai seemingly seals the deal and joins Red Shield officially.


Where this will lead the "siblings" Kai and Saya, I don't know.

Cirno Mar 21, 2006 02:49 AM

Episode 23 RAW
Spoiler:
Very interesting stuff, and I can't wait to see it fansubbed. Diva is finally revealed sucking Riku's blood, who is lured in by her song. Saya walks in just in time...


Best cliffhanger of the series so far.

Spoiler:
Diva's blue eyes are fucking awesome.

Spatula Mar 25, 2006 06:47 PM

SAYA! FIGHT!

Cirno Mar 25, 2006 06:51 PM

For some reason the sword doesn't look like it'd fit in the scabbard.

Spatula Mar 25, 2006 07:01 PM

You are correct. But then the way Saya treats her sword isn't exactly friendly either. Did her sword get fixed yet? Perhaps this is why in episode 21:
Spoiler:
she pretty much hid and ran away

Cirno Mar 25, 2006 07:28 PM

Spoiler:
No, not yet. She's still defenseless. Hagi's been doing all the fighting for her lately.


The end of episode 23 has me excited though. She has no weapon but...

Spoiler:
There's Diva drinking Saya's bro dry, and I can't imagine Saya being happy about that. I hope we see a berserker again.

Spatula Apr 27, 2006 12:36 PM

Wow, finally got up to episode 24 and I must say things are developing quite well. It was also nice to see in episode 22, I think, the long history of Hagi and Saya.
Hagi/Saya/Riku:
I always thought Hagi and Saya first met at the shopping center where he was playing his cello, and I thought that'd be a weird way to start a relationship where Hagi would protect Saya with his life. But seeing as they have quite a long history and friendship, it puts a more human face to Hagi. Also, he gets a HOT KISS from Saya to save his life. Yum! Also Riku gets one too.


Oooh Episode 25.

Saya's new "friend":
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i6...ANEWKATANA.jpg

I gotta say, I like that new katana, A LOT. It even glows! OOOooooo


Hokiki May 10, 2006 01:24 PM

umm hey there

i was just wondering if anyone knows what the name of the song Hagi plays with his cello. i'd appreciate any name, been searching for a while now and had no success. :doh:

thanks.

(sorry if i posted in the wrong section..)

Spatula May 12, 2006 10:19 PM

I checked out the new 3rd season OP theme opening and absolutely love it! I'm not too much of a fan of the animation sequence though, although it is very pretty to look at.

Hiro May 14, 2006 09:47 AM

BLOOD+ is one awesome show. I started watching around Christmas time, and I have to say that it's totally worth my time. The story is deep, there are believable characters, good music, and great action, you can't really ask for more!

Episode 26:
Spoiler:
They mention that chevaliers needs a lot of human blood to sustain themselves (whether for regeneration purposes or for every day life), so I was wondering as to where Haji has been getting his dosages. They could get it with Julia when they're with the Red Shield, but where was Haji getting his fill when they were separate from them in France? I'm not sure if they can drink dead people's blood either (I'm referring to The Interview with the Vampire movie). Does anyone know?

Episode 27: I can say that I've finally gained some respect for Kai, growing from what little there were (if any).

Episode 28:
Spoiler:
Was Haji foreshadowing his own death given his claim that he can't stay with Saya forever whilst talking to Riku?

Cirno May 20, 2006 12:42 PM

Well, episode 32 RAW was released. ...Pretty fucking shocking.

Spoiler:
Diva rapes and kills Riku. Everybody gets fucking owned, Haji, Karl, and Big Shield respectively.

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/9...60503416ob.jpg


I love me some Diva, but damn that was just wrong. Shinsen is catching up with the raws. The last episode they did was #30, so 31 and 32 shouldn't be too far behind. They released four episodes one week two weeks ago, I think.

Hiro May 22, 2006 11:53 AM

Spoiler:
I was rather surprised with how easy it was to pin Haji down as he's usually pretty resilient.

I'm curious as to when will we see Diva's back story as it'd be nice to see how she got her hands on five chevaliers.

Peter May 27, 2006 07:14 AM

Shinsen has released up until 32 today, and I have to agree with Kurada that it was pretty shocking. Even though Diva is one of the coolest characters on the show, she went a little overboard there. From the preview it looks like it'll be some sort of new beginning, I'm curious to see what happened after the events on the ship, and how the show will move on now.

Foshi Jun 10, 2006 01:19 PM

What a great series. The big surprise in episode 32 was great. Episode 33 takes place a whole year later. Can't wait to see what is in store for the characters.

Casaubon Jun 14, 2006 07:23 AM

Just a quick question, do you have to watch the OVA before the series? This looks pretty good and since most of you guys like it, it probably is.

kouri Jun 14, 2006 08:05 AM

are you talking about the movie?

no i dont think you have to. :)

Foshi Jun 14, 2006 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Casaubon
Just a quick question, do you have to watch the OVA before the series? This looks pretty good and since most of you guys like it, it probably is.

No, you don't need to have seen the movie to understand what is going on. Everything is explained in detail throughout the episodes. The movie is quite different from the series as well.

It's been awhile since the last subs were released. Hope they get them out soon. I really want to see what the characters have become and look like a whole year later.

Cirno Jun 15, 2006 04:39 AM

I've just been watching the raws because I can't wait for the subs anymore. I don't know what the hell's going on, or why Diva...

Spoiler:
...looks like a prepubescent boy after the one year timeskip.


I'll have to redownload the eps once they're subbed by Shinsen or Bakazo...something.

Roku Jun 15, 2006 09:10 PM

Dammit, I'm soooo tempted to watch the raws now. But I feel I'd just be waiting more eagerly for the subs if I watch it >_<

Spoiler:
For some reason I was expecting Diva to make Kai into her chevalier - I was gaping when I saw she killed Riku instead. Guess it's one of the few animes I watched where a main character who's been with you such a long time dies without warning :(


Would anyone have a translated script of episodes 33,34?

Jonus Jul 11, 2006 04:29 AM

Blood+ is great, probably the best show of 2006. Its fresh and it has more or less realistic characters. If you are tired of anime stereotypes, give this one a try.

Foshi Jul 13, 2006 04:50 PM

Episodes 33 through 37 have been released in the last week. Characters have changed in appearance but not in attitude. Seems Diva has taken Riku's body or something like that. She looks a lot like him now. Saya is shutting herself out from the others. Kai is more mature and is still in love with her.

Cirno Aug 5, 2006 07:21 PM

Anybody else still following this series? Things are moving along pretty nicely and the fight scenes are getting the sexy treatment they deserve. I believe the anime's on episode 43 or so, but the sub-groups are taking their sweet time subbing the goodness. A few of the raws are available on youtube for your viewing pleasure~

Spoiler:
Solomon's left Diva to protect Saya, Hagi's gotten a lot stronger, Diva IS pregnent with Riku's babies and has taken on Riku's physique, David got shot.


Spoiler:
SHIT FUCKING BLOWS UP.

Spatula Aug 5, 2006 08:14 PM

I'm still following it, mainly just because it's the "another anime under my belt" reason, but it's still enjoyable. Quite slow, but still nice. I don't like Saya's new "I'm a tough bad ass motherfucker" attitude, it's just not her, I don't think. Haji is still the same old Haji. I think I'm up to 37 or 38 with Shinsen subs, I think.

Hiro Aug 6, 2006 12:35 PM

Yeah, I'm watching the raws also. It's not that difficult to figure out what's going on and you can always check out anime blogs for summaries if you're a little confused.

By the way, does anyone know where I can download any of the three Blood+ mangas? I don't mind if they're raws or scanlations, just want to check out the quality of the art and all. Fifty episodes is a rather large investment for me in DVDs, so I'm thinking about picking up the manga instead.

Cirno Aug 6, 2006 01:24 PM

I've been looking for the three manga too, since I hear they're actually pretty good. I read the first three chapters of one and the artwork looked nice. The story's different, taking a direction the anime clearly isn't. There's new characters that show up early on who start shit and force Saya to mature a little bit faster.

Production IG released the first chapters from all three manga on their website.

They're in PDF format (bleh) but still viewable. I haven't downloaded them yet.

Also, on Saya's strength in the anime.

Spoiler:
Saya's still refusing to drink human blood, so she's still incredibly weak. Yeah it's kind of a drag that she isn't owning people left and right, but I imagine they'll make up for it toward the end of the series (which is coming up soon).

Roku Aug 19, 2006 04:22 AM

Whao, just watched episode 42.

Spoiler:
I was actually laughing at the posts from some forums which yelled "RAPE! RAPE!" at Riku's death scene. Ok, it was questionable - considering his attire (or lack of) at the time of death.

But after watching this episode....... this is so twisted....

Erisu Kimu Aug 19, 2006 11:34 AM

I've watched up to episode 43 so far. This is by far one of the best Anime series that I've seen. Back when people were giving up on the earlier episodes, because it was "boring" to them, I kept going and found myself continuously intrigued. The development is excellent, both character-wise and story-wise.

Spoiler:
The change in Saya is cool too. I hope there are more scenes with the Schiff though. I also feel that Saya's current condition might not be enough to take on Diva's chevaliers and Diva herself. It seems that Saya is very low in her preparation too. She only has Haji...well, and Solomon. I hope they aid her against Diva. Other than that, there were tons of deep moments of bonding between Saya and Jahana, Jahana and Kai, David and Julia.

Jonus Aug 19, 2006 04:50 PM

Yeah hands down blood+ is a very nice show. I like how everything turns out at the moment (episode 43).

I don't think the first few episodes are boring, just the opposite, they are great.

Cirno Aug 21, 2006 08:34 PM

I just got done reading the first three chapters of the manga and reading spoilers regarding the manga. It's pretty different from the anime (well, sort of). For one there's a new character that screws with Saya near the beginning. He might be a Chevalier of some kind, but he seems to be pretty strong.

Other than that, the manga's very good. I wish the guy scanlating them would continue, but he can't seem to find any more RAWs and pretty much stopped after chapter 4 (I believe). You can find the first few chapters scanlated here.

Spatula Aug 26, 2006 04:14 PM

Holy fuck man, how many OP themes does Blood need to have. Just when I'm getting settled on the "new theme" a new OP replaces it. I'm at 40 and I really don't like it, but at least I can fast forward :tpg:. I personally like the first and third one the best. For a 50 episode series, I expected it to have maybe 2 or 3 OP themes max, but whatever. I guess this is the same with Eureka 7.

Cirno Aug 26, 2006 10:08 PM

OMG OSAKA.

But yeah, I hear you man. I actually found Season's Call to be my absolute favorite, with the UVerworld one my second. The 4th OP absolutely sucks, though.

Spatula Aug 26, 2006 10:59 PM

YOUR EX-WIFE IS NOW HITLERETTE, AND MY RIGHT-HAND (WO)MAN.

The 4th op thats in episode 39 plus? Terrible vocals man. It's been a while since I heard the first OP.

青空のナミダ (Aozora no NAMIDA) by Hitomi Takahashi(1-13), damn, gotta get that song, same with Colors of the Heart. I forgot what the 2nd one sounds like now =/ (Too lazy to take out that dusty DVD to just listen to it)

Cirno Aug 27, 2006 12:16 AM

Season's Call - Hyde

There's the 2nd OP. The first one wasn't memorable, IMO. Sounded pretty generic. But here it is anyway: First OP.

Spatula Aug 27, 2006 12:50 AM

I'm the opposite. Perhaps I prefer faster tempo Jpop rather than the Jrock/alternative. It's not bad by any means, but it's not
I generally prefer OP themes such as this to have a more of a variety of chances in the melodic intervals as well as if it's in the minor key.

EDIT: Nevermind, it's in the major key, just my lack of remembering what it sounded like, plus it's rock. :tpg:

Hiro Aug 27, 2006 04:05 AM

I can't say that I'm too surprised that there seems to be a lot of complaints about the fourth opening since the vocals aren't exactly what most would normally listen to. That's not to say that I listen to these kinds of "weird" vocals everyday, but I personally didn't really find any problems with the song myself when I first heard it on episode 39, and actual do listen to it on occasions here and there now. I never gave the third opening a chance, but I do like the first and second one. I wouldn't exactly call the second one "rock" myself.

Erisu Kimu Aug 27, 2006 03:35 PM

Spoiler:
Episodes 44 and 45 were depressing. The Schiffs (my favourite group in the series) have it the worst IMO. It was sad to see Moses and Karman both go like that. I hate James. It's coming very close to the end and most of Diva's Chevaliers are still alive. I don't know how they're going to end this one, but I hope Saya somehow finishes the job. It would've been better if Solomon had been befriended to their side. Now that the Schiffs are gone (except Lulu), Saya's team is only full of weaklings (except Haji).

Cirno Aug 27, 2006 04:02 PM

Well, after watching the raw for episode 46 and reading a summary of what happened, I can kind of see the series ending at episode 50 now, especially once you figure out what the promise was between Haji and Saya roughly a century ago.

Though with so many Chevaliers still alive, I am a little bit concerned.

Spoiler:
I mean, James, Nathan, and Amschel are all still up and running. With the Schif practically gone, that leaves only Haji, Saya, and possibly Solomon around to beat him. However, with what happened with Solomon in episode 46...


Saya needs to drink a shitload of blood to make a difference in the next four episodes. I can't see any other way for her to even stand toe-to-toe with Diva now.

Spatula Aug 27, 2006 08:40 PM

Honestly though, I'm somewhat disappointed that Saya hasn't fully wakened up yet. She still seems quite lacking in real combat skills and finds most of Diva's minions still difficult to fight.

Spoiler:
Well now I guess it's a three person team with Solomon on Saya's side now. I've only watched up to 40 and it seems he's not going to go full tilt on Saya like the rest of the gang. Amshel, on the other hand, looks like one bad ass mofo with attacks that don't really require much physical output. Haji has excellent reflexes, just seeing him stop countless projectiles aimed toward Saya with his "cello shield case".
On the other hand, I don't think Diva's full power has awakened yet. We still have to see her Chavelier form, unless her human form is it. Saya is a Chavelier but perhaps her human form is her only form as well. Correct me if I'm wrong but most of these episodes I've only had time to watch at like 1 in the morning, and let's just say my attention to details aren't great at that hour.


Cirno Aug 28, 2006 02:37 PM

In the manga raws I've been reading (or staring at, since I can't read Japanese), Saya actually gets her arm cut off in a fight. She's able to heal the wound/reattach it, but it was still something I haven't seen her do in the anime yet. We might see glimpses of the extent of Saya and Diva's powers in the manga before we do in the anime.

Spoiler:
For those who dunno, the manga appears to be at the Red Shield Raid arc of the anime. I don't think Diva stole anybody's sneakers in the manga, though =/


I imagine Saya will have to suck somebody dry just to stand a chance. I don't want any of this "I'll never give in to being a monster!" bullshit and she beats Diva on determination or some crappy 'fluke.' I want to see them both got at it full strength, no-holds barred, in gravy sauce (but only if Diva's not a shota).

Spoiler:
Nathan is somebody also to consider, as he seems much stronger than most let on. He was able to stop James' chiroptera form while he was only in his base human form. I can kind of imagine Haji whooping on him again. Solomon can take Amschel, Saya beats James with Kai, and then Saya against Diva. Or Diva kills everybody~

Spatula Aug 28, 2006 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurado

I imagine Saya will have to suck somebody dry just to stand a chance. I don't want any of this "I'll never give in to being a monster!" bullshit and she beats Diva on determination or some crappy 'fluke.' I want to see them both got at it full strength, no-holds barred, in gravy sauce (but only if Diva's not a shota).

I'd hate to say it, but with most traditional anime and Japanese script writing, it's usually when the good guy, or in this case, girl is getting wasted like no joke that when s/hes about to die or be defeated, some deus ex machina type method of resolution comes about to grant the protagonist some sacred power to deal a single coup d'grace towards the bad guy probably Saya will say something along the lines of:

Spoiler:
OH FATHER! I've come this far to defeat Diva, please...somebody....help me. Then we'll have the tpyical and cliched dreamy scene of her happy times, then it reverts back to the current sitation, with her saying some trite shit "I'll never give up to the LIKES OF YOU!!!! DIVA!!!! ARRHGHGHGHGH!!!!!"


I hate those endings too, but meh. It doesn't have to absolutely be an unseen or unpredicted force that will help conclude the final battle, but I won't be surprised that one of the fallen alies may come back again, some how, and grant Saya some life force to revive her. We'll just have to wait and see.

Diva killing everyone would be splendid.

Quote:

I imagine Saya will have to suck somebody dry just to stand a chance
Spoiler:
I've got a feeling it might be Solomon when he's getting his ass kicked later on. He'll tell Saya to suck his....neck. I mean, he's sorta a fence sitter, so he mind as well help Saya and be killed off peacefully rather than have to bear the consequences while he's still alive if Saya looses. It's a pretty logical thing, actually. Perhaps Solomon, if he did do that, didn't have faith in Saya, seeing what the other chiroptera are capable of.

TheFrenchLlama Aug 28, 2006 07:37 PM

Spatula...

Spoiler:
While it's not 100% confirmed if it would kill her, but Diva's blood does run through Solomon's veins. Saya taking blood from Solomon could end up killing her, though there have been no hints to justify this theory. Who knows, it could end up making her stronger, like you've suggested.

I suppose if Diva was able to "mate" with Riku, Saya's Chevalier, then perhaps a Chevalier's blood/DNA aren't harmful to them? It's kind of convoluted at this point.

In addition, give me back hot Diva... none of this Bridget-shota-esque stuff. "It's a trap!" ;_;

Spatula Aug 28, 2006 08:30 PM

About Diva?

Spoiler:
WTF? I thought Diva basically took over Riku's (the little boy) body and basically morphed herself into it. I always thought they were the same entitiy since the time that Red Shield was destroyed on the ship. So they are seperate entities then? Riku is basically controlled by Diva rather than being part of her? I seriously must have missed out on some basic yet important details. Also, why would Diva's blood kill Saya? Weren't they born from the same chiroptera's "womb". I know her blood with her katana is basically lethal to most if not all chiroptera, so it would make sense that it would effect Diva. Just the thought of them being from the same blood line though...

TheFrenchLlama Aug 28, 2006 08:38 PM

Spoiler:
She didn't really take over his body... as so much stole his genetic make up (I guess?). She can still switch back between the two looks, one being Riku and one being her true self. I guess by raping him and taking his seed allows her to mimick his looks. I don't think they really explained this. Either way, I just want to look at hot Diva whenever she's on screen, not shota Riku-disguise.

And I'm guessing you missed something in earlier episodes... (pre-33 episodes, forget which). They pretty much say that their blood is poisonous to one another, despite them being born from the same womb. Saya's blood will kill Diva and her Chivaliers, which is how she killed Carl and nearly killed James. Diva's blood will kill Saya and her Chivaliers, hence Riku's death (and crystalized corpse) after she raped him. In episode 32, after Diva rapes Riku, Saya rams her sword straight through Diva's stomach... though Diva tells Saya she was too hasty in her attack and forgot to coat the sword with blood.

Hope this clears some things up. ^_^;

Cirno Aug 28, 2006 09:46 PM



Needs more psycho-cute Diva.

Spatula Aug 29, 2006 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheFrenchLlama
Spoiler:
She didn't really take over his body... as so much stole his genetic make up (I guess?). She can still switch back between the two looks, one being Riku and one being her true self. I guess by raping him and taking his seed allows her to mimick his looks. I don't think they really explained this. Either way, I just want to look at hot Diva whenever she's on screen, not shota Riku-disguise.

And I'm guessing you missed something in earlier episodes... (pre-33 episodes, forget which). They pretty much say that their blood is poisonous to one another, despite them being born from the same womb. Saya's blood will kill Diva and her Chivaliers, which is how she killed Carl and nearly killed James. Diva's blood will kill Saya and her Chivaliers, hence Riku's death (and crystalized corpse) after she raped him. In episode 32, after Diva rapes Riku, Saya rams her sword straight through Diva's stomach... though Diva tells Saya she was too hasty in her attack and forgot to coat the sword with blood.

Hope this clears some things up. ^_^;

Ah alrighty then.

Spoiler:
I sorta knew that Diva could change back, but I hate her new boyish Riku look. Ya know, I kinda wish I was Riku, that'd be an awesome way to die.


Kurado, that is basically the awesomest thing.

Let me see if I can find that Saya/Kusanagi picture...

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i6...76A/nishio.jpg

HOT <3

bahamuty Aug 30, 2006 12:16 AM

I recently found out about this anime and had a marathon so I’m all caught up for the weekly raws. I just finished watching episode 46.. Finally we find out Haji and Saya's promise, but with that promise I'm afraid this is going to turn out to be a depressing ending.

Spoiler:
I guess she wants to be killed after killing Diva so it finishes off their bloodline completely. That and she has a pretty bad schedule of having to sleep 30 years. At this point it’s going to take some kind of miracle for Saya to break free from her sad fate. I really don’t want to see everyone dead at the end just because it’s the predictable and straightforward way of taking care of things.

What was Solomon thinking he knows it takes Saya's blood to kill Diva yet he futilely attacks her. I hope he can be of some use to Saya during the final show down.

Saya needs to drink some blood she has weakened herself so much and Hagi by suppressing his powers all these years just because it freaked her out once in the past. Kai and the rest need to be equip with rocket launchers, grenades, something better than handguns. They need to get it together fast.


How's the manga series? Does it follow the same story?

bahamuty Sep 2, 2006 08:28 PM

Watched episode 47 raw...

Spoiler:
I guess that's it for Solomon what a poor way to die. Getting grazed by Saya's sword as James drops it. Glad James is gone he's survived long enough I wanted him dead on the island. I'm eager to see next week's episode it'll be the showdown at the Opera. I'm crossing my fingers for unexpected turns.

Cirno Sep 2, 2006 09:59 PM

Wow. I just watched episode 47 (RAW), too.

Spoiler:
If Solomon's really dead, then ...damn. That was both cool, pathetic, and sad at the same time. He just kinda falls on Amschel. Had more of an impact on me than Karman/Moses' departure.

Big fight comin' up, though! Diva vs. Saya should be fucking awesome.

bahamuty Sep 12, 2006 12:21 AM

Watched 48 raw...

Spoiler:
Dang is Diva sly having Amshel stand in for her and having those broadcasting satellites on site. David and Co. couldn't have planned things better but Diva was still a step ahead of them. Well next week is when Saya and Diva finally face off. I can't wait!

I wonder if Hagi will really be able to kill Saya. He just keeps holding his feelings in, but he clearly doesn't want her to die. When the moment comes I don't think he'll be able to.


I downloaded the PDF sample of the manga from the Japanese website and it looks good. Anyone know of an online store that carries the manga?

Also has anyone played either of the video games? They’re out for PS2 and PSP.

bahamuty Sep 16, 2006 02:24 PM

Raw 49.. Wow, I can't believe it...

Spoiler:
Saya didn't die from Diva's blood!? I'm glad she's alive but that's the last thing I expected. Their show down wasn't as dramatic as I hoped. I expected it to be longer more crazy. Their little chat took up precious moments of fighting time. The fight with Amshel was more enjoyable. Nice way to kill him off. I couldn't believe after Diva's death that Nathan said "please kill me" that he wouldn't try to protect the babies. But anyway now Saya's about to kill the babies, she better not chicken out.


Ok the explanation was in the episode...
Spoiler:
Diva's blood lost the power to kill Saya when she became pregnant and she didn't know it.

Foshi Sep 16, 2006 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bahamuty
Raw 49.. Wow, I can't believe it...

Spoiler:
Saya didn't die from Diva's blood!? I'm glad she's alive but that's the last thing I expected. Their show down wasn't as dramatic as I hoped. I expected it to be longer more crazy. Their little chat took up precious moments of fighting time. The fight with Amshel was more enjoyable. Nice way to kill him off. I couldn't believe after Diva's death that Nathan said "please kill me" that he wouldn't try to protect the babies. But anyway now Saya's about to kill the babies, she better not chicken out.


Ok the explanation was in the episode...
Spoiler:
Diva's blood lost the power to kill Saya when she became pregnant and she didn't know it.

Spoiler:
Of course she's going to chicken out since Kai showed up at the end. I haven't watched this episode yet but from the summaries I've read it sounds pathetic. Really cheap way to end things off. Diva and her Chevaliers were pumped up to be big badasses, but they're all defeated in one episode. This is undoubtably going to be a happy ending with Kai watching over the kids and Saya in her sleep cycle while Hagi is just left wandering around.

Maybe they will find away for Saya not to go to sleep so she can stay with Kai and the Children.

bahamuty Sep 20, 2006 05:14 AM

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Spoiler:
This is undoubtably going to be a happy ending with Kai watching over the kids and Saya in her sleep cycle while Hagi is just left wandering around.

Spoiler:
Yeah that's probably what will happen. The final episode's title is "Nankurunaisa" their Okinawa saying that everything will work out somehow. I hope they will do anything but that ending.

Jonus Sep 25, 2006 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bahamuty
Spoiler:
Yeah that's probably what will happen. The final episode's title is "Nankurunaisa" their Okinawa saying that everything will work out somehow. I hope they will do anything but that ending.

Spoiler:
Now they did just that ending, well at least i didn't have to cry that way :).

Do you guys think there will be a sequel?
And sorry for being dumb, who lays down the pink rose?
http://randomc.animeblogger.net/imag...0%20-%2047.jpg Is it hajis?

SemperFidelis Sep 25, 2006 08:02 PM

I watched the first minute of episode one, and I've basically watched up to six now. One thing I noticed is that the makers of this anime LOVES bashing the United States and its military. They don't blatantly say things like U.S. military sucks, but it keeps with a good number of passing remarks regarding U.S. policy and how we desire to occupy parts of the world. The pot calls the kettle black.

Peter Sep 26, 2006 04:43 PM

Well, even you can't call the current treatment of Okinawa fair, and the American military is a real problem for the citizens. The Japanese make more passing remarks against that, and they don't blatantly oppose the US imperialism (for lack of a better word). Anyway, this is not something to discuss in an anime thread.

SemperFidelis Sep 26, 2006 10:38 PM

I think it is very pertinent to the anime because they keeping spewing this disguised propaganda despite it having almost no relevance in the anime as far as I can tell. Obviously the makers of the anime just can't resist taking political jabs in an anime that should focus on school girl monster slaughter.

bahamuty Sep 27, 2006 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonus
Spoiler:

Do you guys think there will be a sequel?
And sorry for being dumb, who lays down the pink rose?
http://randomc.animeblogger.net/imag...0%20-%2047.jpg Is it hajis?

About the screen shot...
Spoiler:
That's Hagi's hair ribbon tied to it. It's also a pink rose the same type that he brought to her as a child. Kai also says "that guy came" when he sees it. So it's safe to assume Hagi lived. Too bad he couldn't get back in time. Yes, I think they might make an OVA or movies in the future. They left things open enough. It's coming out in the US so if it does good here there's even more chance for sequels.



Episode 50
Spoiler:
My feelings were conflicted with what I wanted and what's best for the world which would be the vampire race not existing so they can't be used as weapons. I didn't want Saya, Kai, Hagi, babies etc. to die. I also didn't want Saya to go back to Okinawa and start a romantic relationship with Kai and raise the kids. None of those things happened so I'm happy. Hagi stopped denying his feelings finally. Kai looks like he's being a good father. Julia and David are having a kid together. Mao is traveling round the world with the reporter. Lulu won't die from thorn. Nathan's alive. They left things open enough to continue the series the future. Maybe Julia will figure out a way to prevent Saya's sleep cycle during the next 30 years. The kids will be grown up and who knows what will go on in their lives. I'm up for more if they ever want make it. Overall it was a fun ride. I'll miss watching it every week.

zzeroparticle Sep 27, 2006 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bahamuty
Episode 50
Spoiler:
My feelings were conflicted with what I wanted and what's best for the world which would be the vampire race not existing so they can't be used as weapons. I didn't want Saya, Kai, Hagi, babies etc. to die. I also didn't want Saya to go back to Okinawa and start a romantic relationship with Kai and raise the kids. None of those things happened so I'm happy. Hagi stopped denying his feelings finally. Kai looks like he's being a good father. Julia and David are having a kid together. Mao is traveling round the world with the reporter. Lulu won't die from thorn. Nathan's alive. They left things open enough to continue the series the future. Maybe Julia will figure out a way to prevent Saya's sleep cycle during the next 30 years. The kids will be grown up and who knows what will go on in their lives. I'm up for more if they ever want make it. Overall it was a fun ride. I'll miss watching it every week.

Spoilers just to be on the safe side...

Spoiler:
Out of curiosity, how did you think the writers left the story open for a continuation? Diva and her Chevaliers are gone. There's basically no one out there left to fight. The possibility for a continuation is heavily dependent on the writers coming up with some sort of nemesis for Saya and Co. to take on. And to come up with something that's as awesome as Diva and Co. is going to be really damn hard.

Sosei Sep 27, 2006 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zzeroparticle
Spoilers just to be on the safe side...

Spoiler:
Out of curiosity, how did you think the writers left the story open for a continuation? Diva and her Chevaliers are gone. There's basically no one out there left to fight. The possibility for a continuation is heavily dependent on the writers coming up with some sort of nemesis for Saya and Co. to take on. And to come up with something that's as awesome as Diva and Co. is going to be really damn hard.

Spoiler:
Even though the Chevaliers are gone, who was that in the crowd when Van Argeno was being lead into the courthouse? ;p I mean, we can assume it's Nathan (there were only two blond-haired Chevaliers on Diva's side, and Solomon died awhile back) but then again, he was supposed to have died too.

Jonus Sep 28, 2006 07:29 PM

Spoiler:
Maybe there will be a new enemy of the world that saya needs to fight. This time it could be:
- aliens
- some other vapire related brood like: werewolves, ghosts, mummies etc
- robots with laser beam eyes

Including same story arc that shows how bad japan military is specially for SemperFidelis.

The bottom line would be, "hey see you are good to exist saya neesan"


... runs off to watch berserk. ---->

Erisu Kimu Oct 1, 2006 12:44 AM

Spoiler:
In the end, this series was satisfying. The realism of Saya's struggles throughout the series was top-notch. The ending was pretty sad and I did find it somewhat surprising that Nathan lived. I thought more people on Saya's side would be goners (ex. Lewis and David) during the fight against the chiroptera.

Foshi Oct 1, 2006 09:38 AM

There were too many ups and downs in this series. Some episodes were just perfect while others lagged.

Spoiler:
Riku's death was great, but too many episodes after that had nothing happening. Saya was just lamenting all the time. Also, I find it unbelivable that Saya's gang decimated the enemies so easily. Her group was displayed to be so weak and Diva's so strong, but in the end "Oh, we only need to weak episodes to kill off all these super strong characters."

eriol33 May 26, 2007 08:48 PM

Yay, I just started watching the series up to the 12 episode, and so far it's very interesting. The story is quite unusual for a vampire-themed anime, and I like Aya's character, she's far from the cliched, typical heroine in most shoujo-anime.


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