24 Season 5 Discussion
 

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Yep, discuss the greatest show ever made. The latest season only.

Proceed with caution if you have missed or not caught up to an already aired episode.

Spoiler tags are a must on unaired episodes AND aired previews

And don't forget http://otafterhours.com/Uploader/fil...pics/chloe.gif so I will know.

Next week's double Bauer hour is promising to be ridiculous. It sucks because I have a Monday night class that lasts from 5:30 to 8:30. And I usually make it back just in time for the episode. Next week, however...

I believe this is reason enough to skip the class, or at least leave an hour early. Hopefully, my professor will understand. I'm curious as to how many other students in the class will leave early/skip to go watch 24.

This show is off the hook. But am I the only one who hates seeing them kill off all the regulars? Jack is like the only one left from the beginning (Tony's dead as fuck).

Curtis: 1
Lynn: 0


Robocop: 2
Jack: 0

Care to explain the purpose of that?

I didn't mind seeing most of the main characters killed off or leave throughout the five seasons, but I still want some on the show. Tony will be back this season if the next (guessing) and kim and chase (not that main, only one season) are probably open to come back. From season 2 and 1, not many can come back, if any. Except that one guy who was on the boat at the end of season 2. Do you guys remember him? I forget his name, but at first I thought he was the Season 5 russian guy who just showed up. However, I am 100% sure it isnt after replaying season 2 in my mind. He was the one behind the bomb plot, but palmer mentioned capturing the men behind it in season3 episode 1.

Um, were you talking to me BZ?


EDIT: In case you didn't know, the actor as Jack's old "friend" that episode also played Robocop.

The guy who gives the order for the Palmer assassination attempt? I don't think it was him, and it seems like they already solved it. What I don't like about this season is that they killed off some major characters for a rather useless reason. Michelle didn't have to die, and the Palmer assassination was just too much, since he probably wouldn't have been able to prevent the attack anyway.

NO I was relating to the guy in SEASON 2, not season 5 assasination guy.

They left him out in the blue, but maybe 24 the game will clear him up.

I'm talking about the guy who ordered the chick to poison Palmer with the thing on her hand, the one who also gave orders to the guy who was shot in the stadion. Note that I said ATTEMPT, since it failed.

Yeah ok, I misinterpreted what you said. The guy that was on the boat is either still out there or palmers mention of the plot in the first ep of season 3 was the resolution.

Bah, forget all this talk about Jack Bauer. I'm telling you, Aaron will never be killed.

I'm just waiting for when Keifer asks for too much money (and mysteriously disappears with Audrey, like Kim and Chase) and they make a spinoff about Aaron's day.

Can't wait for the two hour goodness on Monday. Probably will have to resort to torrenting them though =/

Yeah, Aarron is fucking badass. Gotta love him. I like that he is getting a little more screentime this year. Basically, the only guys are who have been in every season so far, is Jack, Tony, Novick, Palmer and Aaron. And right now it's just Jack, Novick and Aaron who have had roles throughout each season primarily.

They cover Max in the video game.

I'm pretty sure he's apprehended / killed, but I'm only half-way through the game so far.

Best phrase ever.

Actually, Novick wasn't in season 3 at all. He got replaced by Wayne after he betrayed Palmer in season 2, remember? He didn't come back until about halfway through season 4, when Logan took over after Air Force One got hit. Sorry, I'm just a stickler for details.

LOL @ the hobit. Curtis said "STFU!"
Next week is two new episode of 24 from 8-10, don't forget and miss the first half!!

I miss President Palmer. That new guy is an crotch potato. Not only that but he isn't black. Why'd they have to kill off the most powerful black man on 24? That's just racism.

Don't get me wrong, i miss Palmer too, but seriosuly though, what else could he have done this season? team up w/jack?? he was limitied to a "consulting" role for Logan last year. the writers might have been running out of ideas for palmer.

Edit: This Monday's episode will have the new trailer for X-Men 3. SWEET!

So did they ever say what happened to President Keeler? I know he was incapacitated from S4, and Logan took over...but his fate was never told was it?

Nope, not yet at least. Maybe later he will bitchslap Logan.

They had a newsreport here about how hated President Logan was, apparently some people sent hate mail and threats to the actor who plays him. LOL

I higly doubt that we'll see Keeler coming back, since Logan makes a much better character. Keeler was a nice president, but he wasn't nearly as good as Palmer. I actually like Logan, since he's the total opposite of Palmer, and at least he's human enough to make mistakes, although too many, which was something I missed with Palmer.

Well, Palmer did make mistakes (probably moreso in season 1 than in the other seasons), but overall he did a pretty good job, as opposed to Logan, who seems to do nothing but make mistakes. I do applaud the fact that they made both presidents have a stark contrast to each other rather than just making Logan a (white) cookie-cutter clone, but overall I still hate Logan's guts (probably more than I even hate most of the villains). I said it in another post, but I'll say it here too: It amazes me how the best fictional president of all time and the worst fictional president of all time manage to come from the same show.

If you miss him so much, you could always watch him on the All-State commercials! :p

Or watch The Unit which will air on Tuesday on CBS.

I'm definitely gonna be watching that show, and mainly just because of Dennis Haysbert. If it wasn't because of him (and because it's also made by The Shield creator Shawn Ryan) I probaly wouldn't give the show a second glance.

I saw this clip from one of the previous seasons of 24. (I only got into 24 around the middle of the 3rd season) Well anyway the clip had some dude hook up to some crazy ass machine with all these asian fellers yelling at him. I think there was also some really hot asian neo-nazi chick with a whip or something just walking around and looking sexy. Well anyway what was that whole thing about?

That sounds like the very first scene in Season 2, I believe.

Someone was getting tortured in South Korea and gave up information that said that a nuclear attack on America was going to happen within the day. That's about it.

President Logan is hilarious to watch.

While Palmer was (written) like an awesome President, its nice to see a President that doesnt act like he has much control and freaks out at any given moment, like Logan does (or seems to do imo)

Not to mention...his facial expressions are funny as hell.


And the Hobbit. Another character that I thought "WTF" yet it worked soooo well.
This season rocks so far. Looking forward to the "double Bauer Hour" Monday.
Oh yeh, if you miss Dennis Haysbert, there is "The Unit", but I think he also plays Lambert in Splinter Cell's games (at least the 1st and 2nd one, I've never played the third one.). It's funny to hear him in Splinter Cell and think "Y'know, that guy played a President once..."

Dennis Haysbert plays Lambert in the SC:Chaos Theory as well.

I was mighty happy to see two explosions Monday. That was absolutely wonderful.

No haysbert, was only in the second one. The first lambert was actually better so he came back for the third.

I was amazed when I first played Splinter Cell 2 and herad his voice saying "Fisher, what are you doing ? The mission is over !"

I've watched up to episode 4 of this season, and so far it's been as great as any other.

"For ******'s sake Fisher, what the hell are you doing?"

Just imagine if Haysbert had to play one of Jack's CTU bosses or something.......haha...

It'd work.

didnt know he only did Splinter Cell 2 though.

I agree this show needs more explosions. But explosions aren't the reason I watch it. Anyway 2hrs of 24 comin liek > ^__^ >

There's a review for Monday's 2 hour episode in the new issue of Entertainment Weekly where they gripe about....


...but give the overall episode an A. There's somewhat of a spoiler in the mini-review so I'll tag it to be on the safe side:

fox.com has a clip of the first 15/20 seconds of mondays 2 hour special. If you go to www.fox.com, and at the bottom by the media player just press the icon with the 24 logo and it should play.

Damn, why did I watch that. I continue to be miserable for the next 42 hours.

Off-topic but, awesome = seeing Dennis Haysbert on SNL.

Oh spoilers, how you tempt me. But I resist! I'm trying to be pure for the coming 2 hour feast o_o

That is how it is done Rollins. I learned to be pure is 10 times better then not being so. I learned this when I caught up the episodes when season 3 was airing and watched a couple of them.

What a way to have 2hr premiere!

Oh my god, I had chills watching at the end of this episdoe. This is the reason that I watch this show.

I had just made a comment to my friends about how great an Edgar/Chloe sitcom would be when Edgar made his "Oh shit" face. ;_________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _______________;


Also, requesting a ytmnd with Curtis running down the hallway of the hospital carrying the canister with MOVE BITCH playing in the background.

What an event...X-Men 3 trailer was poop...I loved RoboCop's reaction to what Jack does near the end of the first episode. The second hour was even better though. Seriously is no one safe this season?

Haha, Edgar.

I just got back from school..

I missed the entire show tonight since my class started at 8PM and ended at 10PM.

Anyone care to give me a quick synopsis? No one in my house recorded the damn thing, so I'm at a total loss.

;_;

That would be fantasic. XD
Kim looks so much prettier with long hair.
oh yeah, did they forget about Lynn? LOL

Download it from a torrent site. Both of these are totally worth watching instead of seeing second hand (especially the second one).

Seconded. There is no way that words can adequately describe these episodes. You have to watch them for yourself.

Yea, good idea. I'll get on that right now.

As soon as I stepped into my house, my brother comes out of no where and says

"YOU JUST MISSED THE CRAZIEST EPISODE(S) OF 24 EVER!!"

Now I'll have to deal with all the second hand info while I wait for the download to complete..

All I can say is holy poo on a stick, that was my most exciting two hours I've had all day and it was a pretty darn exciting day! My socks have been officially rocked. Damn I have to wait another week to see what happens!! >_<

There's no way words can convey how I feel right now. Just know that that was the best two hours of TV so far this year!

First big OMG moment: Big pimpin Aaron Pierce! Man, you could tell he was enjoying that moment as much if not more than the first lady was. My love for that scene was even greater just because I hate Logan's guts, and becuse I think she's too good for him anyway. But man, that was so hella cool!

Second moment: Curtis running out of the hospital with the gas canister. I truly didn't know if he was gonna make it out of there or not in time, mainly because of all the idiots still standing in the hallway. I mean, what part of "Clear the hallway!" don't those people understand. A very suspenseful scene.

Third moment: Jack shooting Henderson's wife. I was truly shocked by this, moreso than all the other moments except the ending of the second episode. This was totally unexpected, as I just expected him to shoot Henderson himself like he would normally do. Truly jaw-dropping.

Fourth moment: Edgar's death. Holy fucking God that was totally unexpected. But everything starting from the cut back to the show from commercial up to the ending scene was perfect. I have to say, this attack on CTU was even scarier than the bombing from season 2, as we had to watch these people die while looking at Jack & Co. watch these people die. It felt terrible just watching the nobodies die, but to watch Edgar die (and to see Chloe almost cry like that) was truly the greatest shock of the whole two hours. By no stretch was he my favorite character, but that would have been a hard death to watch no matter which main cast member it was.

Not only were those moments good, but so was mostly every thing in between (though I have to admit that I still don't really care for this Bierko guy as the villain yet). But as great as those two hors were, next week looks like it could surpass it.

If they can keep pulling shit off like these two episodes, season 5 may just pull up ahead on my season ranking list.

I just have to say that I agree with you there. There was just something about that scene. And Aaron is one of my favourite characters, he's just so awesome!

I actually only just started watching "24" last Monday, but I'm with a good group of people, and I've been getting filled in. HOT DAMN this show is addicting.
Oh man, you cannot believe how floored I was by that. That was amazing on so many levels - especially the suddenness with which he did it. He just whipped the gun over and shot her in the leg - brilliant. That scene showed just how much of a real bastard that Henderson guy is.

I also liked when the ambiguously-accented dude who planted the gas in the CTU facility got shot by Jack. That right there, they should've just flashed on the screen "OWNED" for a frame or two. Or, when he took the guard hostage: "I'm in your base, killin your doods." Come on. You thought it, too.

Also, in regards to Aaron, I'm more of a fan of the way he ended the last episode - "Oops! I'm not dead! But you guys are!" BANG BANG!
Bad Guy: "Wait, I'm a terrorist! I've got this nasty flamethrower!"
Aaron: "Oh, so then it'll blow up bigger when I do this!" BANG!
Bad Guy: "OH SNAP!" (is blown up)

Aaron pwns hardcore.

Definatly reminded me of why I love and why I watch 24.



Double Post:
So what do you guys think it is that Henderson knows? I don't think that CTU is a target, probably something bigger. Smart move by the terrorists though...crippling CTU will help their cause, but fuels the Vice Presidents plan for Martial Law.

I forget, where did Curtis finish this episode?

RR, I think Curtis is still on the way back from the hospital, or still working there.

Was Lynn in the same room as everyone else? I didn't see where he and Bill ended up, though I thought Bill was in the conference room.

Wow all I can say is wow the second half was amazing poor Edgar… when you think about he died because he was trying to be a nice guy and check on the that chick in the blue shirt. Had he stayed at his desk he probably be in the room with Jack. Now next week:

I thought that too, but nah, it's boyfriend. "Boyfriend that is 20 years older than her." He said so in an interview on the news after 24.

I'm guessing the writers chose him because:
1. She was missing a romantic part of her life (Chase left).
2. She was missing a father figure (her dad "died").

Wha.. huh? Since when was this the Angel Discussion Thread?

Anyway! Holy crap, the second episode tonight was probably the most tense in 24 ever. The last 10 minutes were incredible. And fuckin' Edgar. :( Silent timer. :(

:( :( :( :(

does anyone have screenshots of when jack was going to cut out walt's eye?
i've tried google image search but they give pose pictures, no screenshots.

Haha, whatever would you need something like that for?

Oh dear god, I agree with the feeling I get from the thread here, it was just all levels of awesome tonight O_O It seemed to have all the best parts of previous seasons crammed into one season. We were due for another attack on CTU anyway.

I'm wondering a little though, the terrorists kept saying that their purpose was never to set off the gas on American soil, but they obviously had enough information/plan to know that Lynn would be at CTU, to contact Lynn's sister's boyfriend to mug Lynn for his keycard, and have a building plan of CTU as well. That seems like a bit much preparation for something they just made up on the fly.

And I really wanna know what Henderson is hiding. He let his wife get shot and would even let her be crippled (props on good acting as well, his face was super red after she got shot) to hide his info.

Oh man, I was just going "Holy Shit! Holy Shit! HOLY SHIT!" Throughout that last 10 minutes of each episode.

Great way to set up the next episode too, with Tony and Henderson in the same room.

Speaking of Henderson anyone have any theories on what he could possibly know that would make him say that it'd be like opening "pandora's box"?

And man, I hate how Logan is so easily manipulated. That guy is way too dependant on others to make his decision, I hope this is the last season that we see him as President.

Ahh, can't wait till next week!

(BTW, X-Men 3 looks awesome!)

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Click on Screencaps Season 5, 12:00 High Noon

EDIT: This is located under "Galerie"

I almost cried seeing Edgar die. So damn sad. :(

Oh man, Hantai, I had forgotten about the Vice President and how he's probably going to be the new "bad guy" on the president's side of things.

Also, you have to wonder if the president's wife said anything to the Russians while she was wigging out that we don't know about yet.

How do I hide spoilers? I want to talk about next weeks preview, but I don't want to spoil it for anyone who doesn't want to read it. Do I hightlight my text and change the font color?

No, type [ spoil] or [ spoiler], then [ /spoil] or [ /spoiler].

Just without the space.

That was amazing...

One of the best episodes this season, with one of the best twists I can remember

OMFG that SOB Lynn. He should've reported that his bloody keycard was stolen earlier! But in the current situation, I'd say that they're screwed. They had better not kill off Jack's daughter. I'd be extremely pissed if that had ever happened.

heheh, I wanted to make this:
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Thanks for the site, AC1

I wouldn't be surprised to see Kim go, she had been out of 24 for two seasons now and they pretty much just brought her back for a ratings grab (nothing like hyping up your two hour block with a special guest star!). While it would be sad within the storyline, practically for the show, she could be easily written off since she's found success (well, moderate) outside of 24.

I mean shoot, they killed Palmer.

Ha Ha that's great!

If you could edit out the annoying little Fox crap at the corner, if would be a bit better.

if this isn't the best show on tv, i don't know what is!!!!! centox in CTU?? jesus christ!!!! Honestly, i thought they were going to secure it before it went off. i didn't think they (the writers...) would let CTU, the most secure building in LA and a symbol of American security, get attacked like that.
poor edgar, yes, he was annoying, but he was harmless. i'm wondering something though, where did they put Lynn? Did he make it to the conference room??

Oh yeah and what do you guys think about that new 24 game that's coming out?

there were 3 rooms that they were able to secure from the gas getting in. The situation room is where they are all in right now, the medical area which is where Henderson, and Tony Almedia, and the doctors, and the other room is probably where Lynn is.

Double Post:
overall it stayed true to the show, and the storyline was top notch. The sound was also on the mark. Voice acting was the best I have seen in any videogame, and all the real actors used their voices too. The gameplay and camera is where the game kind of goes downhill. The camera especially can be really frustrating a times. Gameplay takes a little getting use too, but I hated it at first, and eventually liked it. Bottom line if you are a 24 fan then this game is a no brainer, you HAVE TO BUY IT. If you aren't a 24 fan or just haven't watched the show, I suggest you start watching now. You will just end up buying this game once you are hooked on 24.

Here is my breakdown of the game (on a scale of 10)

Graphics - 9.0
-The characthers all look like their real life actors. The environment is also pretty nice for a PS2 game. They also did a great job with the CTU building.

Gameplay - 7.0
-Not the best gameplay, but not the worst. Could be heavily improved upon if a sequel is possible. At first you might hate the way the game plays, but after a few missions it will be a lot better. Camera also needs to be worked, because at times it just becomes ridiculous.

Sound - 10.0
-Sean Callery does a excellent job in bringing the 24 music to the game. Similar music you normally hear on the show. The voice acting is top-notch, and doesn't sound cheesy. The gunshots also sound cool (especially when you are Jack Bauer shotting off a silencer in your surround sound)

Controls - 7.0
-The aiming system makes the game real easy, but also helps. At time you have multiple enemies going at you, and the quick lock on switch aiming thing really helps you take down enemies. Otherwise the other buttons are just your basic action game buttons.

Story - 10.0
-It felt like another season of 24, plus it helps answer a lot of questions that were left unanswered. The ending however ............was very weak, but at least the other 23 hours and 58 mins of the 24 "time" was good.

Replay Value - 8.0
-No multiplayer, but their are a lot of bonuses to unlock such as concept arts, videos, and pictures. Plus after watching a episode of 24, you jsut can't help but want to play the game and pretend you are Jack.

OVERALL RATING (out of 10) - 8.0

Pretty crappy game to play, but the production values are amazing. Wait for someone to rip the cutscenes.

It was never really stated that the terrorists contacted Lynn's sister's boyfriend (did this guy have a name?). I actually thought it was the other way around, that the boyfriend knew what he had and then contacted some people who he thought would want it. I guess either way was feasible, though.

And I wish their death scene would have had a little more detail to it. How did he manage to tie them both up? Hopefully it'll wind up as a deleted scene on the DVD.


I hated that bitch, so I'm glad she died. She was just a cheap Chloe clone (which came out of nowhere), which we don't need since we already have one.

I just realized somthing.

When this is all over, the Chinese is going to be all in America's grill like crazy when they discover Jack is alive.

The awesomeness of this show - and the many WTF moments of yesterday - made me forget all about them...

Wow. Just wow. Forty percent?! Now I understand why it said in TV Guide a few weeks ago that Homeland Security is going to get involved...

Ah good call. I guess that's more implied but still, it's bordering on too convienent for my tastes. Plus, there's plenty of this day still left, which equals many chances for more crazy storyline twists.

In regards to 24: The Game, after the brutal beating it took from IGN (who have rarely steered me wrong) I think I'll pass until the price goes down on it. Not really itching to pay 50 bucks on a game that most people see as average.

Lynn's sister should've known that the people that were supposedly gonna give them 20 grand were going to kill them and he should've reported the theft of his card earlier.

Look up the word "Convenient" in the dictionary, and there should be a picture of 24 right next to it. If you've been watching the show long, you must know that things like that happen all of the time. Either way you look at it, where the boyfriend called terrorist or vice versa, it makes no sense. The most annoying convenient thing is how in almost every episode, someone has a gun pointed at someone, and is about to pull the trigger, and bam, he gets shot instead by someone else. F'N ANNOYING. But as long as 24 provides some actual surprises(and there have been quite a few this season I'm happy to say), I will enjoy it.

For those who wanted to see the game cutscenes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kiulq...0the%20game%22

Its about 1hr and half long, and its of course missing things that are in game but i though you guys might enjoy it none the less.

Alright, no one can disagree with the statement who has been watching all 5 seasons, because it just makes them look like a retard and no one wants that...or...maybe.

AHHHHHH YOU SON OF A BITCH!, YOU SON OF A BITCH!... Jack: I SHOT HER ABOVE THE KNEE CAP, SHE CAN STILL WALK.

Nuff said on these episodes for now. :p

Yea im kinda down right now.

Spoiler Buttons are fun. I <3 them

You guys don't have to use spoilers since the episode already aired.

Anyway, I'm actually hoping that amybe Tony isn't dead, only because the silent clock wasn't used. I mean, if they used it for Edgar, it seems like it would be even more important to use it for Tony, since he's been there since season 1.

What I want to know is, when are they gonna release another soundtrack? That music they played when Lynn was out "sacrificing" himself was fucking excellent, plus there was also a whole bunch of music from the rest of the season and season 4 (especially in the finale) that was great as well. Hopefully we'll have one at the end of the season, and we won't have to wait until the end of season 6 or something.

I actually think Tony's scene was more powerful. The whole "Shes gone" in reference to Michelle was alot better than Edgars whole silent death. I was starting to choke up there, good acting on his and Kiefers part IMO.

I'm guessing Tony is dead, they seemed to make it pretty obvious. Then again yeah the silent clock wasn;t used but I dunno.

Anyway, what an emotional show. The scene when the guard was saying goodbye to his daughter ;________________; z0mg.

I agree Rockgamer. I noticed the music right away during that scene with Sam.

I think a scene like that would have been a tad corny and ruined a show filled with otherwise incredible performances. That's just my opinion though. = /

Yeah, Chloe surprised me in this episode, especially at the beginning when she cried. Even after all that just happened, I never expected to see her do that. I mean, I know she's still human and all, but it was just a shock coming from her. Of course, the yelling at Kim thing was classic, and so was her line to Barry (something like "Is breathing your solution to everything?") That was the Chloe I know and love <3.

Seeing Tony die was nowhere near as emotional as watching Edgar or even Lynn go down. Matter of factly, watching Tony go down was almost expected and pretty anticlimatic for me.

Meh, I stopped watching after Edgar died. He was the reason for my existence.

From a leaked NYTimes article, it seems that Tony was originally supposed to be killed off at the beginning of the season with Michelle, but Carlos Bernard suggested that he follows up his character's story with some sort of "revenge" plot.

Guys, he was marked for death from the beginning of S5, this is just a much more appropriate, tragic end. His words, "she's gone, Jack" were just so emotional, and in these past episodes, Carlos has shown more acting chops than any other season (instead of his constant "yeah"s with the speaking-out-of-the-bottom-of-the-jaw style).

I do agree that he deserved a silent clock, though. I wouldn't argue for a silent clock for Palmer and Michelle because it's only intended to be used if the death happens at the END of the episode, when the event is fresh.

I didn't find Edgars death to be all that emotional for some reason. Maybe it has to do with the fact that he's a fat guy(don't ask why). Hmm, Lynn is portly to be sure but not fat and I felt a lot more strongely when he died however like I mentioned the scene when the guard is talking to his daughter I found the most heart wrenching of all the events in that episode.

I'm pissed. My local Fox station cut to a commerical right after

That's too bad, his was the most talented death scene out of Edgar, Red Shirt, and himself.

You could tell he was a better actor. Louis Lombardi (Edgar) looked like he had no idea what the symptoms of nerve gas would be. His death was just "stop, act like you just gagged on your breath, then fall over," while Lynn's tossed in twitching and fetal position. Thumbs up, very emotional.

Are you sure it was a commercial, and not breaking news or something? If it really was a commercial, you should write a complaint to the station or something, because that's total bullshit.

First the screen went black, like they were having technical problems, then they ran a commercial for the 10:00 news. They aired a couple more commercials after it.

Can anyone get me a clip of that scene?

Ladies and gentleman, 24 just jumped the shark.

In one episode, they ruined what was turning into the best season yet.

What horrible and lazy writing. Okay, we get it, anyone can die at any time. That doens't mean you should just kill countless people for shock value. And you DON'T kill the MOST LIKED CHARACTER on the show that isn't Jack in such a cheap bitch way, like he's just a trash character that doesn't matter.

Not only that, but Robocop just fucking WAKES UP and overpowers Tony? Um, NO. It doesn't work that way.

Shame on the writers.

Thing is, where would Tony go from here? Become an agent again? He's completely devestated about Michelle, I don't think he'd be able to recover for a long time, and he probably wouldn't want to be involved in national security again.

Secondly, I don't think long-running characters ever have "saving everyone with their last breath" deaths. Those redeeming deaths are for characters that everyone's HATED up until now.

Thirdly, as I've mentioned, Tony was just supposed to die with Michelle in episode 1 of Season 5. Be glad he's been able to develop his character a little further.

24 can't jump the shark. Jack Bauer ate the shark long ago. Now 24 can only jump the water, and that doesn't mean anything.

Exactly, and GOOD writers would use that to their advantage and try to show us what happens to him, how he moves on, what happens to his personality, because of what happened to Michelle.

That's the problem. They didn't develop his character anymore. They put him in a bed for 10 episodes just to wake him up and kill him. It was a complete "HEY LET'S TRY TO SHOCK PPL AGAIN" moment.

Don't forget though, 24 takes place in one day. That kind of character development takes more than a couple of hours to happen.

Which is why you don't kill him and see what he's like next season. :P

But then that really would be dragging his character out, and that would be kinda lame. After what happened this season to his character, the writers knew there was nothing else to do with him, so rather than drag him out for another season (he really didn't even need to be in this season at all, and since they killed him anyway they should have done it back in the first episode), they figured they might as well just kill him off (since, you know, people don't just retire or anything in this series, they always die or just mysteriously disappear).

Exactly. :\

Predictable and unneccesary death.

But I just said it was necessary.

I thought Buchanan went in to the room with everyone else last week. This week he was in his office. I guess I missed something last week.

xman25

No, he went into his office. =P

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
And why didn't Lynn try breathing through the cloth he had?
It's not gonna save him but it's better than breathing without it.
And I think Tony is dead. His last words make it seem as if he's giving up since his wife isn't alive anymore; it's more dramatic that way.

Where was Curtis?


I don't think Tony is dead. He deserved a silent clock. I understand last week was dedicated to Edgar and 40% of the CTU staff but Tony is just as important. He's a Cubs fan for crying out loud LOL.

Yeah Jack was crying but Tony will pull a Jack-like revival. Except he will be revived by Aerit...er, Michelle's Holy Spell...

The day 24 jumps the shark is when Aaron Pierce joins a terrorist group. Or when Logan gets re-elected. Or when Chloe is on the field with Jack, AK-47 in hand.

Actually, 24 will get the highest ratings ever if the latter was true :D

DON'T FORGET THE CHINESE

Kim is suppose to get out of the city, but I can't shake the feeling that something crazy is going to happen to her. Crazy plot and Kim go hand in hand.

xman25

Are you really this stupid.

It's nerve gas, not cat poo smell.

Crap. He really is dead :(

Wow, there seems to be a trend picking up. Kill off a key character each episode.

Lynn's death was kinda expected, clearly done to redeem himself. Then Tony, who I assume is done for, he's got no reason to live anymore. Man, Henderson is really devious. Ah, then there's Logan, who's pretty much done after this season.

BTW, what was the section/department that's going in to take over CTU's operation? I didn't really catch the name.

Department of Homeland Security. It's what Bush set up after 9/11, remember?

I can forgive you because you're Canadian.

A few pages back Rollins talked a little about CTU getting attacked again. I've done some thinking on it and it makes no sense that CTU got attacked during this season. It made sense during sense during season two because the bad guys knew that CTU would be a big problem for them all day long so they took action. They obviously planned and prepared their attack many months in advance. It seems to me that the bad guys for this season planned on dealing with CTU for a couple of hours (airport) and then never think about them again because they were going to leave America and go bother Russia. So, there would be no reason for them to plan in advance an elaborate attack on CTU. I think that the attack that they did on CTU would have taken a few months to plan and prepare for. They put it together in an hour or two. How would they know that Lynn would end up at CTU-Los Angeles? How did they know about Lynn's sister and her boyfriend? Did the bad guys call them or vice versa? I don't know. Hopefully someone smarter than me can explain the whole damn thing. Maybe I missed something.

xman25

Sense and logic hold no sway in California.

QFT.

Haha excellent. I sense a Season 6 storyline involving some sick cats.

Another good episode, I seriously could not see Tony dying, despite all my experience watching 24. I kept calling for Kim's death though, but it looks like I picked the wrong Season 1 star.

But seriously, he was probably easier to write out of the storyline than Kim was actually. He lost his wife, who we all know means a lot to him. I'm not just saying that for kicks, Tony committed treason for his wife. I'm surprised that he wasn't able to kill Henderson if anything. But if Tony happened to stay alive, he would just probably live out his days as a depressing, moping person who would contribute nothing except his eventual suicide. Great character, but he had nothing left to live for.

Good for Chloe for reverting to her sarcastic state oh so quickly. It just wouldn't be the same.

And I think any part of "How Jack Bauer are you" test should be if you can hold your breath as long as he could in the episode. If not, you're no Jack Bauer. (Take that useless internet surveys)

Haha. When that part of the episode happened, me and my roommate held our breath as well. Needless to say, we failed miserably, lasting probably less than 20% of how long Jack held it.

Note: I am downloading the episode right now specifically for the purpose of re-watching Tony's death scene. I may change my mind after reviewing the scene but I doubt it.

Tony’s death:
I hated it but unlike most my problem is in the fine details of the scene. Like they say it is “the little things that count”.

First I agree with jazz: Tony should having had a silent clock. I can understand only wanting one per seasons but they already ruined that by using it twice for Mason in season 2.

Secondly, After thinking about I have discovered that the quality of the scene increases greatly if I pretend the word coma was never used. Really it was only one word but it hurt the believability of the scene considerably. One moment he is completely totally out, no hope of wacking up, gone; three seconds latter he is a spiriting out of ctu. Now 24 had some ridicules moments (such as Nina taking out an infirmary and nearly escaping ctu with a severed artery), I could suspended my disbelief then because it was necessary for the scene to work, but here the wording and tone was just a needless hyperbole that:
1) not only decrease believability, but also
2) reduces the impact of Tony not killing the guy. If he was out as bad as they implied he would be useless for questioning and be as good as dead for ctu. Sure there still symbolic impact there but still not a strong as Tony’s choice having real impact on the investigations. If his conditions was ambiguous it would increased the drama considerably.
3) I felt Marwan (sp?) in season 4 was too much of a super villain, and that the writers were lossing there touch for writing good villains. Guy waking up from coma (even if it was just a really good act) feels like they aren’t even trying any more.

Thirdly, there wasn’t enough subtext to Tony’s death. I would like too think that the real reasons that Tony lost was because he didn’t have the will to live with out Michelle, not that he was real not overpowered. (especially sense he had the advantage he was on top and had better leverage, we can assume that everything else is pretty much equal both are highly trained but in a weakened states one injured, one drugged up and tortured.). There was a bit of it there but not enough, too me Tony was overpowered but did not care, still dramatic but not as good as him just completly giving up. Part of this goes back too my above problem with the poor writing, if you can accept a guy waking up from a coma like he did overpowering Tony should be easy by comparison, if the scene was better written this problem would have likely corrected it self.
Also, this is a good time too note I don’t mind Tony died such un-noble and frankly pitiful death it adds to the tragedy of his charter and his last day on earth what I hate is the horrible execution of it.

Lastly, they ended it to quickly it needed just a little bit more time to let it sinki in. In fact just adding the silent clock would have been sufficient for me. Obviously this a minor compliant but a complaint none the less.

So in short Tony’s death as shown to us last night: 4/10 Had they made a few simple minor changes it could have easily been a 9 or a 10. As for the rest of the epp. Solid 24 8.5/10 great music!. I can’t give the episode an overall rating Tony death and the rest of the epp feel like too different shows.

I can definately see your points.

I loved the music in this episode, though. The last 15 seconds of the episode, where Jack is completely losing it and hugging Tony with this tragic, slightly choral music playing, is one of my most memorable scenes from the series.

I think the thing you need to ask yourself is if Jack could have done all that, Dan. If Jack could have, then it seems possible that Robocop could have, as well (since he knows all the tricks of the trade).

It's just stupid that CTU keeps the gas masks and Atropine in separate locations, neither of which is inside the safe zones. Government effeciency for you.

Personally, I've never been that attached to Tony, so I don't really care that he died. Edgar was easier to relate to, and his death was more tragic because he died as a result of trying to do something good (checking up on the missing woman).

^ This must be your first (or second, from Season 4) season. If someone pieced together a video highlighting Tony's life, you'll have a sudden change of..."heart." Yes, yes I'm a bastard :p

I'm beginning to think that this season has the best music ever. The cheesy heroic music that was playing when Lynn went to shut down that program was funny, yet catchy and appropriate.

Sean Astin is a great actor too. One fatass can't even die convincingly and the other does it dramatic as hell. :p

PROOF:

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Why is every episode a season finale episode for other shows. I mean come on brilliant episodes every week for like 5 years. CRAZZZy.

Silent clock should have been used if he is really dead, which he probably is. It was necessary and they failed on that. You can't have such a beloved character and such a badass (not jack level, but still) and not use the clock after what he has gone through throughout the 5 seasons. I kind of wish he makes it though, but I can see why they did it. This just gives Jack more motive to fucking kick ass because of the loss of all of his TRUE friends in the same day. Palmer, Michelle and now Tony. Tony and Jack were much closer then the former two as seen by Jack losing it like he did at the end of Season 3 cutting off Chase' arm.

Another Emmy/GG nom for kiefer next year no doubt about it. Probably win too. Also this season has been probably the best since season 1 and 2. 4 was a joke, still better then anything on TV, but not comparable.

And I can't believe that Kim is just leaving.

Also, PlutoKnight mentined with the spoiler tag, but everyone was using it when it was not necessary to discuss the latest ep. Do not ever EVER do this again because I don't want to READ ANYHING NO MATTER HOW VAGUE IT IS THAT RELATES TO LATER EPS. I know you used spoiler tags, but use them correctly please, so other people can read others thoughts with hesistancy. I hope that came out clear.

If you think I'm stupid then I guess you wouldn't do anything to try to survive if your were in that situation.
If you had to choose between cloth or no cloth, you're saying you'd choose no cloth.
Everyone knows that trying anything is better than trying nothing even if you know it's useless. That concept is called Hope.
Furthermore, Lynn's room had the least concentration of nerve gas and the air conditioning system was turned on right away. It might not be much but it still adds a bit to the chance and hope of survival.

He still hasn't returned from the Hospital incident.

No, what he's is saying (and what actually makes sense) is that it would make no difference either way, so what's the point? You could use the cloth, put your hand over your mouth and nose, bury your face inside your crotch, but either way you would still die.

And another thing about Tony that didn't make sense, why not just shoot him? He had to know that either way (shooting him or injecting him with that stuff) would make him look guilty, so why not just go with the more surefire method? It seems like that would have been more satisfying as well instead of just injecting him with some drugs.

I was really wondering about Curtis. Didn't they say early in the episode that he'd get there in a half hour? So why didn't he arrive?

So Tony's dead. Wow. That was a rather disappointing way for him to go, especially since it isn't terribly clear that he did die.

I can't wait for those Homeland Security people get there and everyone still left from CTU get as mad as a March hare and demand to keep working. Hell, I expect Jack to shew that lady out quite harshly and possibly refuse to work for her. But, then again, maybe Homeland Security won't enact their plan until the place is cleaned up.

He didn't arrive because he did not want to die.

"Clearly," Tony is dead.

But realize: Jack Bauer rose from the dead twice. That's one more than Jesus Fucking Christ. You gotta give it to a beast like Tony the ability to rise from the dead once. Come on.

You're saying it's hopelessness, to just giving up, surrendering, it's not worth it??
When is struggling to live ever not worth your efforts?
Would you really surrender your life so willingly?
Would you rather lay down your weapon and inevitably die? or inevitably die fighting? What kind of person do you choose to be/live as?
Before this digresses any further, I'm simply saying Lynn should have tried even harder at staying alive even if death was inevitable. But this IS JUST a show and that's the way the producers wanted him to die and in a honorable way.

XD

You still don't get it. It's like choosing to die by getting shot or die by getting stabbed. The point is, either way you're gonna die. Hope has nothing to do with it. What good is a cloth (which is full of holes, I might add) gonna do compared to a whole bunch of nerve gas?

uh no, you're not understanding what I'm saying or ignoring what I'm saying.
I used the example, "give up and die, or die trying" so I clearly understand that he's going to die.
Hope is all in the brain and the brain controls the body so my emphasis on hope is don't give it up.
No, the cloth CANNOT save you but Lynn seemed to last longer with it than the guard without it so would you discard all hope of the cloth?
We're talking about mental state now, keep that in mind.
The best way to look at this is put yourself in their shoes.

Wouldn't you at least try to move further away from the door before trying to breathe? At least you'd have a chance that the concentration of nerve gas would be lower in the farthest corner of the room, but Lynn just plopped down right next to the door.

Am I the only one who feels like we are not getting to know the bad guy(s) as well during this season than in past seasons? It just seems to me that by this point in the season we knew a lot about past bad guy(s), but not the current one(s). Has Bierko given any specifics on why he didn't want the treaty signed? I remember him saying something like "I've worked too hard for this to happen." How is the treaty going to affect him? Have I missed something? I know we still have 11 more episodes to go and we can learn something, but I think we should have more information by now.

xman25

Well, I figure that once we break Henderson, we'll find out a huge plot along with a second set of baddies. I mean, with the terrorists planning to blow all of the nerve gas in one shot, there has to be another threat later on.

Oh, gee wiz man. Rolls eyes. Sigh...

xman25

So you mean to say that the Russian Seperatists aren't just a mere catalyst for the writer's ham-fisted attempts at social commentary?

Hollywood people can write all the social commentary, political commentary, and any other type of commentary they want into their products, I just can't take them seriously. Most of Hollywood is liberal and I'm NOT a liberal. And well, shot, never mind. I don't feel like getting into a political debate.

xman25

Well first of all, that's completely useless. And second, he DID use it. The moment he had to breathe again, he naturally took it away from his face since he had been holding his breath for awhile.

This isn't a political discussion, the facts are right in front of your face. Every disaster that has occurred so far in the show has been allowed to happen as a result of President Logan's terrible decision making and Impressionability. If that isn't a thinly disguised liberal view of President Bush, I don't know what is.

Think about it, he's receiving advice from his Vice President, supposedly which support said Vice President's personal agenda (Halliburton). He's a massive tool, while his wife is pretty solid (It's a very small amount of people that don't respect Laura Bush in at least some way). And he's currently willing to circumvent due process to "fight terror."

Yay, nuttyturnip sees my point.

Anyway, it seems Logan takes citizens safety as priority over finding the gas.
Bush on the other had takes priority of eliminating threats (although he's doing a sloppy job)

[QUOTE=jouhou]nyway, it seems Logan takes citizens safety as priority over finding the gas.QUOTE]


Isn't that the same thing? The citizens' safety is based on finding the gas and stopping the terrorists.

Not quite. Logan wants to stop the outbreak of nerve gas, but is unwilling to do anything that might jeopardize citizens' state of mind or safety. Although, like in the mall incident, he does seem to recognize that sacrificing a few to save thousands could work.

I agree. It was very dramic... and such but it just didn't seem like he was fighting to live for his life.

I feel horribly foolish, but I had not even recognized Robocop until you guys started calling him that. Jesus fucking christ... I knew he looked familiar, but couldn't place him. Hah!

:( x 100 @ Tony's death. He should have just shot him. Argh! No fair. And yeah, Henderson waking up from, or faking, a coma, was horribly contrived. And I also chuckled at how no one in CTU dying mattered until Edgar did. That's TV for you, haha.

Um dude, that happens in almost every action movie or TV show. Not much to do with 24 clichés here. ;)
I must be really tired, because I giggled hysterically for almost one entire minute at that comment. Good job mate.

Just thought I'd post this because it's sad, yet entertaining at the same time:

http://edgarballad.ytmnd.com/

Hmmm what a plot twist!

Okokokokok. Since Jack Bauer outshowed Jesus Christ, and Tony Almeida is slighter lesser of a beast, perhaps it too will take him at least 3 days to rise from the dead. We may see him again "next season" which could possibly be 3 days later. O_O

More and more signs are just pointing to that vice president being evil. But we gotta always be prepared for the quadrouple or even quintouple (times three) bluff. Ridiculousness.

If they had killed Wayne then this season would have had a ridiculously high body count, which is pretty bad since it's already about on par with season 3. Thank goodness they haven't killed him off (yet), but that still too close for comfort.

Not sure if everyone watches the preview so I used spoiler tags.

OMGWTFWOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wanted Jack to tell that chick to go post about how her heart was broken on LiveJournal.

Jack Bauer: "We don't have an hour!!"
Umm.. Since when, Jack?

I was pretty pleased with tonight's show. I haven't been able to catch an episode in the past 3 weeks so I'm glad I'm somewhat caught up. Although, I'm pissed that I missed the deaths of Edgar, Tony, and that other dude who got the vents working. I mean, how many more main characters must die in order for Jack to save the day?

I loved the look on the German agent's face when the memory stick fried his PDA. I could practically hear someone screaming "YOU GOT PUNK'D!!!" in the background.

Thank God Curtis is still alive.



The music in the next-to-last commercial break was epic. Even if the first one was the "Pulse Bomb" BGM from Season 4.

China. Germany. Jack. Season 6. LOL.

Aw man, more and more twists I'm loving this! Hey, is there some sort of connection between the VP and Henderson? Cause the VP was the only other person that knew Palmer's brother was on his way.

Interesting twists! Come on next week!

Jack Bauer: Horrible for America's foreign policy.

In any case, another great episode, despite Jack Bauer possibly causing the deaths of thousands of Germans. How many surprises do they throw at us at the end of episodes? Give me a predictable ending at some point, haha.

What are the odds that Theo will come into play later in the day? He did get his own little section of the screen at the end of the episode.

Well, hehe, they BOTH were on Robocop LOL. Behrooz and Dina were in a movie together last year too (don't remember the title) so it looks like 24 is starting a trend or something. :edgartpg:

Logan's more a takeoff on Nixon than Bush. Hell, that whole praying thing was something Nixon actually did with his chief of staff, who was Jewish by the way.

Well in today's episode we discover that Desmond actually escaped the island entirely. I don't know how, but now my guess is that Dharma is part of a larger conspiracy.

Uhh Wrong thread but interesting spoiler info lol

Guy who plays Desmond = Guy who plays Theo (Henry Ian Cusick)

All the big shows are coming together! I mean Palmer resurrected himself to be on "The Unit".

Audrey helping the terrorists???!!!! i hope not, but jesus, these writers come up w/the best plot twists in tv today.

I'm certainly going to watch next week to find out what that's all about... I mean, the preview was all like "TELL ME!" "It's not me, Jack!" "Fine, it's time I choke a bitch!" "Ack!" "Let's start over: TELL ME!" Seeing as I just got into 24 late this season, I actually haven't seen that side of Jack enough (save for shooting Henderson's wife), so I don't quite know what to expect.

Man, you guys buy into the constant cliffhangers too much.

Don't you realize this season is turning into a "HEY LET'S TRY AND SHOCK PEOPLE AT THE END OF EVERY EPISODE" gimmick?

Audrey? Come on, desperate writing or not? It'll end up just being some sort of "mistake" she made. She's not a mole or a bad guy.

Damn this is what i get for posting in the middle of the night. Damn if you weren't right about him being Desmond. Knew he has a familiar look about him. Well his life has certainly taken a turn for the better since living in a hole eating army rations for years lol

Man I bet it's going to be something lame like Audrey was working with the DOD on a separate operation to find the terrorist or something stupid like that. I hope they're crazy enough to make her into a baddie, but I have a feeling they won't. And David Palmer's brother getting attacked was so obvious. You could see it in the look of the VP's face when he got the news about the roadblock and when he was let through, you just knew that he was going to be attacked before he got there.

Also, is it just me or is Collette pretty damn hot.


Edit: typo

F U FAGGOT. LEARN TO READ.

"THAT IS NOT A THREAT, THAT'S A FACT BIATCH!

Another cool episode. I like how they keep replaying that new Season 5 track that is reminicent of the Season 1 "Jack Bauer on the Move" track.

I was working from memory, and trying to be funny. I know it's different than that, but I liked my summary more. Either way, I can't wait for the episode.

When did Curtis get back? I didn't see him arrive at CTU last episode, but there he was, prepping for a new assignment.

The plot is truly thickening. There are so many things going on that it's almost too hard to keep track. Each and every week I get more and more excited about how it'll all come together.

No posting previews - yours or theirs - ever.

Unless it's in the Spoiler Tag.

^ I agree.


I don't think the German dude is in such deep shit. When he confronts his German superiors with the leak of his lead on Collette and that he has nothing in return, all he has to say is that he was pwned by Jack Bauer... surely they'll understand he stood no chance. :D

I believe it was House of Sand and Fog. I haven't seen it, but I've wanted to ever since I heard they were both in it.

The thing I can't get past is why are the Homeland Security People so...evil. It seems like whenever any other organization takes control of CTU (like Division in the previous seasons, which makes me wonder why they didn't take over this time), they always have these misguided intentions. Can't one of these groups just want to help out their fellow allies for once?

Season 6: Germany + China vs Jack Bauer.

I believe Jack has killed off more populated places in 24 hours, so we all know who would win this.

Why do I keep thinking they are just going to end this season with everyone dead and the end of the world and then subsequent seasons are just going to be prequels? :cow:

I've thought about prequel seasons before, but it seems like it would be a little too late now. All the actors are obviously older now, so it really wouldn't look that good now. They also have the books now to cover stuff that happened before season 1.

I'mg lad Curtis still gives Jack a chance with everyone. How many more times is Jack going to ask Curtis to back off so he can talk to someone?

Keep in mind, Jack did sleeper hold Curtis earlier in the day. He could have just asked, by the looks of it.

Was the sleeper hold when Jack slugged him in the face in the car (right after the airport incident) or at another part? I seem to remember it being at a different spot.

Yes, after he bashed his face, he then put a sleeper hold on him and subsequently dumped his body =p

It's okay though, because after that Curtis has his awesome moment, as he threatened to draw his weapon if a guard executed Lynn's command. That guard's life flashed before his eyes. Little did he know he would die of seizure gas.

And, the last season will be the 24-hour battle of Chuck Norris and Jack Bauer. It'll be amazing.

That battle would only be a minute long. The rest of the 23 hours and 59 minutes would consist of a close-up of Chuck Norris's grave, plus commercials. Why lie?

Thanks for spoiling that for me, fucker. I just started season 2.

No, no, no. You misunderstand.
The reference to Desmond means, "it looks like the actor got off the island and went to L.A. to meet Jack Bauer," not "in the latest episode of Lost, this is what happened."

Aha, I was so angry for a minute. I just go to the episode where

so I wasn't really sure what went on >_>

Anyway, HOLY FUCKING SHIT! I had to take my pants off as I bore witness to what was without a doubt the hugest explosion ever.

Pantsless and watching 24. Best thing ever?

Jack Bauer is the greatest man alive. Nothing more to say.

This episode's cliff hanger isn't as good as the past ones but the previews for next week look good.
What did they inject into Audre? Isn't is just truth serum?

Somehow I doubt that. 'The guy with the needles' has been a mainstay in the series, and everybody seems to be scared of him. This, along with the fact that everybody he encounters always winds up in pain, makes me believe that it's more than just truth serum (besides, Tony died from one of his needles, which also makes it look like more than just truth serum).

It's classic 24 for once. The whole "Is Jack alive?" thing. It would've been funny if, in the previews, they started with the question: Did Jack survive? And then 6 seconds later they show him beating the living crap out of the vice president or something.

Wow. I was like, no way is the gas gonna be released before the end of the show.
Then I was like no way is that c4 gonna go off before the end.
Then I was like...

Anyway. Damn good show! = D

Curtis and Jack owning those goons simultaneously was priceless!

That new chick...and that Homeland jerk...is the new Kyle Singer and Debbie. Seriously. Chloe still owns.

Wayne Palmer...please just be unconscious.

Aaron Pierce is STILL bad-ass. I long for the day that he, Jack and Curtis can team up together.

Jack is going to be Raiden before the day is over. Tasered 4x -including twice in this day - equals B,B,F pwnage. Damn...

Spoiler (highlight to read):

Uh, where'd you take that from? He's dead.

Anyhow, good episode by the end. I knew we were going to wrap up this villain and go onto Henderson.

Also. HOLY FUCK that was wierd when that new girl was starting to freak out about getting her shoulder touched. I hope they follow up on this. I just found it like SO odd.

Yeah, I just thought that guy was a real prick at first, but now it seems like that lady is a crazy bitch.

Nah. I still think he is a prick. He was a prick even before she arrived so. :P

Sexual harrassment lady OWNS. I hope she has a major freakout next week.

Oh, and I like your theory. The people I was watching it with came up with the same one. Good stuff.

Now we got two nutcases. <3.

True, I forgot about that. But still, crazy sexual harassment lady is way worst than him.

lol, yeah but I hope Buchanan doesn't get chewed out much, I like him.

Ohh, nice cliff hanger at the end. I actually thought Jack would have dragged his body in and step on the gas.

Yea and "sexual harassment" lady is fucked up. I can see Buchanan being hit with that ticking time bomb and Karen (homeland security lady) taking advantage of it.

Also, what was up with Collette's cuffs? Looks like she was about to break loose from them.

Ahh, and I can't wait to see how deep Henderson is on this. Oh and the soundtrack for this episode was particularly good this time.

Probably just wanted to show that Collette was idling her time being nervous and knew in the back of her mind that Jack would be back to get her. In any case, any breakout she was planning didn't really matter.

Looks like the beginning of a new story arc with Henderson as the main bad guy. I knew it was too well-planned for a simple "we'll attack America just because you didn't let us attack Russia" plan.

Nah, Jack is a freaking beast and he will rise from the dead until he gets revenge on Henderson.
Actually, I didn't like the songs played in this episode, especially the one during the chopper drop off.

Does anyone else want to see Heller come back and kick the shit out of some terrorists this season?

Also, I'm not sure how pissed off he would have been at Audrey getting interrogated. Just think of what he did to his son last season.



Also, lollin' at sexual harrassment girl's chemistry knowledge. I guess Caltech teaches that in their anti-terrorism course.

So that was all of the canisters right? The terrorists don't have any more?

Also, do they have to reiterate the whole plot every episode? That's certainly got to be annoying while watching the DVD. Every 5 minutes: "The terrorists have 19 canisters of Syntox gas! ZOMG!"

See I was talking about villains earlier in this thread when the beginning of season 5 was going and how the guy before Bierko wasn't a REAL villain compared to the guys earlier like the drazens, Peter Kingsley, Gaines and even Saunders. However, no one will be as great as Nina Meyers. Anyways, Bierko wasn't a true villain either, but he was better then the earlier guy. Although Henderson is definitely a great villain! Looking forward to seeing what happens. Season 5 could turn out to be near the top seasons if not the top one, if it keeps going this way.

That has to go to be one of the greatest explosions I have ever seen on television. And it wasn't just one explosion, really. It was several miniature explosions culminating in the explosion of the main tank. Nice.

Do we really need more tension in CTU? Why can't there be more people, like Buchanan, who are normal? Stupid weird new girl...

Re: Jazz's theory

Just a prediction on my part, but it seems that maybve we're headed for an attempted coup of the American government and thats what Parmer has knowledge of. Also...I think the Red Chinese may show up again, looking for Jack.

Just so you know tonight...

I don't want to know any spoilers, but how'd you get early access to the episode/info?

I can't wait for tonight's epsiode. Jazz's theory reall could go either way, I think, and while his has legitimate points, Morrigan makes legitimate counter-points. We'll just have to watch and find out what message was so important as to risk your life to deliver it.

You know that could be applied to almost any episode of 24, right?

OMFG AT THE ENDING.

OMG OMG OMG, WTF WTF WTF!?!?!?!?

HOLY CRAAAAAAAAAAAPPPP! This show....best...ever....

Ugh, talk about jumping the shark.

This latest twist just made most of the season not make any sense.

Why would Walt then hide himself from the president? Why would he (right before Jack interrogated him in the office) reveal his mission to the president when they were both "patriots" to begin with. And where does the president get the time to have all these secret personal calls with Henderson/whoever else. This is pretty silly.

And if the Asian assistant knew about the President being in on it, why wouldn't she have confirmed with Mrs. Logan? Ugh, this involves a lot of ret-conning going on in the earlier episodes this season.

If it was Mike Novick, it would have made a lot more sense and still have been a twist (as I guess the writers were making the vice president out to be the bad guy).

Holy Shit, no one saw that coming.

oh yeah, it's unfortunate but it looks like we won't get to see sexual harassment lady in action.

I think you have to be patient and dont assume things about the show, clearly you are wrong most of the time anyway. 99% of the time..it will be explained...and you will think "oh wow, that does make sense".

I figured it wouldnt be the vice president...since Jack was leaning towards that and the woman wouldnt give the info. It also makes what Henderson said a few episodes ago make sense onto why he was protecting what he knew.

Nah, there are a lot of times that 24 just glosses over things and drops storylines if they're not going anywhere.

Small example, Behrooz being rescued in Season 4 was dropped out, instead only becoming a deleted scene.

Big mystery: No one ever knows what Jack said to Nina in Season 2 when she was being led away.

Other question: When did the terrorists call the Asian assistant about her daughter? Recently, or all day? She was certainly calm up until this episode.

I'm just annoyed that essentially they're writing the season as it goes along and not considering when their plot twists contradict earlier scenes.

I agree with you Jazz. This really doesn't make that much sense. They're gonna have to do a lot of explaining to make this make sense.

And on another note, does anyone else think that Logan would be too stupid to be a part of any kind of secret plot/conspiracy? That's the first thing I thought when they revealed him.

Because our heads would explode.

No, Jack Bauer is a one-man army and a half.

Eh, it happens. It was still explained, they didn't forget about it.

Uh dude? That was the entire point. You're not SUPPOSED to EVER know that.

She's barely been in it for a while I believe.

Yeah, I don't like that either. But there are plenty of ways to make this make sense, even with the Walt thing. Walt worked for someone who worked for Henderson who worked for the President. The chain of command is so long, it could have easily happened like this.

By the way:

:biggrin:

DId anybody see this guy? I think it's kind of silly for people to make a small little cameo on this and actually expect to get noticed. I didn't notice John McCain when he was on a while back, and I certainly didn't notice this guy.

But if anyone did notice this guy, who did he play? I just want to know since it says he had a speaking role.

.........


I'm interested to find out how this plays out, but if it doesn't make perfect sense, I'm going to be pissed.

HOLY SHIT! That was a pretty big twist at the end! But, I don't really understand where they're going with this. Is he behind it all? Is his plot to get rid of Palmer's supporters? I'm expecting some serious ass kicking from Aaron now.

Also, man, I feel so sorry for Buchanan, you clearly see that he felt betrayed. Oh and Miles is a dick, I hate that guy, damn him for the blackmail! Good for Audrey turning him down, but I hate how she was given the dilemma of either backing up Buchanan or Jack (even though it was obvious she would support Jack's new lead).

As for Evelyn, I was surprised she didn't die, though she didn't come away clean so I guess that some what made it up. Where was the wound anyway? I couldn't make it out, looked like the leg.

I don't care if the whole gimmicky ending thing is being done over and over each episode, it still *works*. I'm so off on all my attempts to call whats going to happen next. I'm honestly surprised at each turn.

I pretty much thought it wasn't going to the be the VP after they gave him up a bit too easily during the course of the episode. Also, during one of the split-screen intros the VP was on his cell phone while Henderson was shown keeping watch for Evelyn (and not on his phone). Wouldn't make sense if the VP wasn't talking to Henderson at such a critical juncture.

Jazz brought up some points about Evelyn not consulting with the First Lady. Why would she consult with the First Lady? She obviously didn't want anyone to know about her daughter for her safety and telling the First Lady (with all her documented mental problems) she'd probably go right into the President's face with it, which would probably kill off the daughter.

I also agree that it was quite possible that Walt didn't know of the President's involvement. He was just taking orders from Henderson. Henderson was willing to let his wife be shot to hide the President's involvement, if it was something that Walt didn't need to know, Henderson wouldn't have told him.

I think it's also important to remember that we have yet to see the entire "plot" as a whole. Also, pretty much everyone involved in this plot has at most a link to one other person involved in this scheme and so there is still alot of unknowns about motivations, etc. My guess is that it's just impossible at this point to come to any conclusion at the moment.

Recently. She said that they had just called her and told her that they had her daughter.

I think his name was Jim Hill. He was the guy in the front with the Homeland Security people.

My belief is that the nerve gas and the President aren't related. Logan has been trying to glorify his presidency, as evidenced by his willingness to sign the treaty. To assist in this, I believe Logan contacted Henderson to create a terrorsit attack that the country could put down, providing proof of his "effective leadership." Keep in the mind that the nerve gas thing was supposed to be against Russia. Henderson probably orchestrated the Russians finding Walt's inside man and the whole gas complex blueprint thing. Logan simply had to agree with Hal's Martial Law proposition to make it easier for the attack to occur, all the while not knowing that the nerve gas plot was the very one he had set in motion (he's naive like that).

I agree, Logan is too dumb to be part of any such plot, and it does seem like it'd require retcon.

However, we don't have a lot of information yet. We shouldn't jump to conclusions. Perhaps it will turn out that the president is (thinking he's) doing something completely different than orchestrating the whole terrorist plot.

I'm pretty sure she said they called her "around an hour ago", so that certainly explains her previous calmness.

Confirmed.



Anyway, yeah. Logan's name pretty much never came up in any conversation theorizing who the "man behind it all" was. We agreed it was someone high up, like Secretary Heller or something. I'd say the President is pretty damn high up. 24 did a good job at drawing away any suspicision on him, basically due to his dumbity and weakfulnessness. The season still could make sense. Let's just see how they make sense of it all in the next.. what, 7 hours? osnap.

WHAT?!?!

Oooohhh WHAT NOW?!?!

Sources! I refuse to believe until I get sources! If what you're saying is true, then we've got some major reaching done here by the writers I feel.

Sources: Jack Bauer, Dikembe Mutombo, Jesus F. Christ, the Democractic Republic of Congo, and the Socialist Republic of Congo in Uraguay.

I also think that the President wanted to get the Subarovs killed, but his wife wasn't supposed to get involved. Hence, the praying.

When they cover someone up with a plastic sheet, that usually means they're dead.

If Jack can't man-hug him back to life, then there's no coming back.

Dude, in all seriousness, I hate spoilers if I can avoid them, but.. please just be honest and say if that was a joke or not. Heh. I take that character too seriously. :(

In other news:

http://www.variety.com/article/VR111...4&cs=1&s=h&p=0

Sutherland signs on for 3 more seasons of 24. :D

Double Post:
Is it that hard to understand that what Logan did was the PERFECT plan? Pretend to be dumb so people don't suspect you. Who are you to say he's too dumb to be part of any such plot, when he was more than likely acting?

However, we don't have a lot of information yet. We shouldn't jump to conclusions. Perhaps it will turn out that the president is (thinking he's) doing something completely different than orchestrating the whole terrorist plot.

Well, I re-watched the very first episode and Palmer was distracted with Logan's meeting with the Russian president. When Martha heard of the news of David's death, she kept referring to others about meeting with Palmer about something related to Logan that was very important. When Logan "comforted" her, as he left the room he had a very evil stare followed by a sigh before confronting Cummings...

Of course, I didn't think much of that at the time due to the crap that almost happened to Tony and Chloe after Michelle and Palmer died, so it's not like I (or anyone else) could have just predicted that out of the blue, due to Logan's doofus and childish mannerisms, as well as the aura surrounding Martha's mental stability that everyone was playing up to. Gregory Itzin deserves an Emmy for his performance.

Rewatching this season makes it better, IMO. But now I'm going to wait until the last 8 episodes are finished before I do anymore backtracking.

Joke joke lang. Or is it? My sources say otherwise...

Sutherland bumped to executive producer for the next three seasons eh. Pretty cool, pretty cool. And the film is still looking like it is going to happen. This would occur even when the TV show is going on I guess.

To tell you the truth, I think The Sentinel is 24: The Movie lol.

Yeah I saw that long ass preview for it somewhere. It actually looks decent, and he is playing a Secret Service agent I think. Of course, he would never play it the same way as Bauer.

However, I may actually like to hear him in The Wild moreso. He has been voice acting that movie for the past 5 years at least.

You know when you hear his voice in The Wild you're just going to be waiting for him to shout, "MOVE MOVE THERE'S NO TIME GET OUT OF HERE!"

I'd actually be kinda disappointed if he didn't get to say that.

I'd go see The Wild just for the chance of hearing the Lion yell "You have to trust me!" I believe that would make it worth my money, but only because it's Jack Bauer. As a Lion. Or something.

This post sucks

Shoot, Keifer's voice just demands you to pay attention.

Point in case, I now a Verizon phone (after having Spring PCS for awhile) and have a large desire to get an Apple with the Intel chip.

The only part missing from this puzzle is Allstate Insurance.

(By the way, has anyone taken a look at Kiefer's full name? You can find it on Wikipedia. Dear god, even his name kicks other names' asses).

His name is longer than two Mexicans at the same time, it's ridiculous. I wish my name was that cool, but it's stunted at a measly 4 words, none of which are particularly great. Keifer's full name makes me and every other male to ever have a name jealous, in fact, most people period, except perhaps Ed from Cowboy Bebop. She's the first one I thought of when I saw his name.

That's great news about him being an executive producer now, FOR THREE MORE SEASONS! No more anticipation like there was at the end of season 4 about whether the show will come back or not. This way guarantees that I'll be watching new episodes of 24 up until I graduate from college. Hell yeah!

Ultima | "YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING DOWN ON THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES."

Yeah, Jack Bauer is our fucking hero. I went ahead and started a wiki page for 24. It contains some in-depth information and summaries about 24.



I like how the it's really only the women of 24 fuck up everything. The only chick who hasn't failed has been that lesbian chick. Audrey and Chloe have been solid this season, though. Mad props.

LOL.

What's the lesson for today: Don't leave a fucking tree stump right next to your goddamn fence. It defeats the purpose of the fence, and you'll most likely wind up dead.

Tonight's episode managed to explain a few things, but it still hasn't completely revealed Logan's intentions for participating in this conspiracy. Until it's completely revealed, I'm still gonna be a little skeptical about his connection to this whole thing.

Question: Why is crazy sexual harassment lady still there? Since they got rid of the majority of CTU, why keep her? Chloe's reason for staying is obvious, but they never explained why they kept her (not that I can remember, anyway).

How about that make-out music for the Logans? I know it was making me randy.

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooool

(Also, Chloe with another best-line-ever "If you care so much I can write up a report for you." I was totally on the edge of my seat during that scene.)

Edit: I think sexual harassment lady came from DoD, not CTU.

Maybe, I'm not sure. I don't remember them bringing in anybody after the attack except people from Homeland Security, which I know she's not a part of. I thought she was someone who worked in another section of CTU and was brought up to the floor to replace Edgar.

I was digging that secret agent music when Chloe was in the can with her l33t hacking skillz. LOL.

Also made this: http://logantraitor24.ytmnd.com/
Thought that music fit the mood perfectly.

Can someone suggest better music for this one? http://bauervslogan.ytmnd.com/

You win for that first one.

Second one needs some HALO lovin'. You know, Jack Bauer is obviously just some guy that wants to be Master Chief.

Mike M.I.A. again...

Yeah, I was totally waiting for Mike to meet up with Aaron or something this episode. He reminds me a bit of the son from the Dick Van Dyke show, they only write him in when it's convenient.

I'm also surprised there weren't any scenes with Buchanan or Curtis this episode.

Whoops, I meant to say Homeland Security. Wasn't the guy she filed a report about from Homeland Security as well?

Also, what did you guys think of the chick that took over for Buchanan tonight? When she snapped at her annoying side-kick dude for constantly deriding CTU it made it seem like she might not be as bad as they originally made her out to be.

(And I'm still laughing at the music during the Logans' moment together.)

Yeah, that might or might not be important to take note of. I'll err on the side of caution and say it's meaningful. Mike Novick not being around at all for two episodes in a row? Where's he gone to for 2+ hours?

No, it's the other way around. MC can't even handle the power of the Bauer.

Is it just me, or is Kiefer Sutherland going to be typecast as the government agent badass the rest of his career? (goes and watches The Sentinel)

Hahaha, The Sentinel. That film looks like it's basically applying the "24" formula with a slight twist. I think, when The Sentinel comes out on DVD, there should be a new "24"-themed drinking game: Every time Keifer's character does something cliche Jack Bauer, take a drink.

I anticipate being loaded well before the plot has twisted to a climax, if I drank, that is.

Yup, I can see that happening.

LOL, in 24 Keifer is trying to take down the President and in The Sentinel he's trying to protect him. They should just make a movie where Keifer Sutherland fights himself.

lol... Keifer Sutherland fighting himself.

ACTUAL DIALOGUE TAKEN FROM THE SCRIPT

Bauer: "DROP THE GUN!"
Sentinel: "I CAN'T DO THAT!"
Bauer: "YOU HAVE TO TRUST ME!"
Sentinel: "Oh my God, we have to tell him now."
Bauer: "TELL ME WHAT I NEED TO KNOW!"
Sentinel: "WE'RE OUT OF TIME!"

The Badass-vibes would either exactly cancel each other out and both Keifers would disappear into oblivion, or they would reinforce each other, destroying the universe.

I would so pay to see that. Why hasn't anyone thought of this yet and gotten rich? If only I could patent the idea somehow....

Well, maybe someone else has addressed these concerns, but wasn't Carrie (I think that's the new girl's name) from a lower branch of CTU? So how does she still have a job? Wasn't Chloe supposedly the only remaining member of the old team, per Audrey's request? And when did Bierko get back?

For those who still don't think Logan has a reason to do what he did, it couldn't have been more obviously stated in this past episode. He wanted to get the chemicals overseas to increase the interests over there, like Walt mentioned. He did not intend for Palmer to be assassinated, or for the gas to remain in the USA. At this point he is scrambling to cover his ass, but I think there could still be someone else pulling the strings, as Logan doesn't seem to be able to control Henderson, treating him like a collegaue rather than a hired hand.

In any case, the situation now has the spin that he was able to get thrgouh everything, and he couldn't be more elated. Now if this Jack problem would only dissapear...

And for all you Tony conspiracy theorists...

http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/pl...php?id=1051603

Please don't insert Jack into Chuck Norris jokes, it belittles him. If anyone mentiones something about Jack's tears curing cancer, I will resort to something horrible.

Tal, the thing I'm still wondering is how the other people at CTU got targeted (as in people like Tony). Was Henderson using this as a vehicle for revenge on CTU?

Also, way to go for the writers not doing anything for the first lady's aid. Henderson shows up, the kid screams, and you know they're going to die, but I'm wondering why should would have even told him where Jack went since I'm sure she knew he was going to kill both of them. =/

Maybe she thought that either Jack was going to get ahead of him or would outsmart him, possibly killing him. And what do you know? A few terrorists died because of it. So did a few officers and bank manager, but I digress.

I would think Henderson would want revenge on Jack more than anything. As he said, Henderson never thought Jack was dead, and killing these people would do nothing better than smoke Jack out, which he did. I doubt his intentions were anything other than that, and Logan seems to realize that Henderson is certainly accountable for not being able to solve a problem he initiated. (Not to mention that the assassins beared more a resemblance to a Henderson "team" than a governmental hit squad a la Walt.)

As for the aide, I would think that she was either tortured or felt she would be able to barter her way out of it, as she was originally convinced that giving up the information would save her daughter. Heck, if Henderson threatened her daughter with anything, she's probably give it up willingly. I don't think we needed to see that as it would have been rough and/or redundant. We know it's going to happen, we've seen Henderson's ruthlessness, why bother going through the paces while so much other excitement (satellite issues! OMG!) is going on?

Yeah, but we all knew that she was going to die as soon as he busted down the door (as did her daughter, evident by her screaming). Why would she even talk in the first place?

Also, I felt like a completely heartless bastard for shouting DON'T CALL 911! DON'T CALL 911!!!! at my TV during that scene.

Edit: All that was in response to acro-nym's post, I guess tal makes a good point. :(

Well, a lot of dumb things happened during that episode.

I totally called the fact that Evelyn was going to hit her head on something and keel over when she got up from the bed. I was telling my friend, "heh, I bet she falls and cracks her neck on something" and 2 seconds later... *TRIP* OH SHITS *CRACK*

So lame.

The writers also need a better reason for Logan's reasons behind everything. Geez, it being the same as Walt's reason is too stupid. Henderson was prepared to die (and cripple his wife) to keep the "secret."

Also, working in how and why Evelyn obtained the phone call is near-impossible. Especially when the call mentions the need to "take care of Walt" or whatever. That would mean that Evelyn SOMEHOW recorded the conversation off of the President's secret cell phone that he's using, and BEFORE Walt even got caught. THEN she had the time to drive over to this bank and deposit the digital recorder, THEN SOMEHOW HENDERSON found out about it and had Evelyn's daughter kidnapped...

TOO MUCH FUCKING RET-CON THAT DOESN'T FIT IN REALITY.

Yeah, I'm with you there JazzFlight. Same questions, same curiosities. Nevertheless, Jack Bauer get to fucking take down the fucking President of the fucking United fucking States. That better fucking be fucking amazing.

Also Henderson mentioned before about "opening Pandora's box." I want to say there is still a lot to HOLY SHIT moments to come (wait, "no shit" :p). Nevertheless, 24 is the best show ever.

That guy (Miles, I believe) was from Homeland Security, but she definitely wasn't. Why else would she have been so surprised to see him?

I've been thinking about this all day (I've even considered downloading the episode to go back and check this), and I'm pretty sure she was from another section of CTU, so it still doesn't make sense that she's still there. I guess the writers just got so caught up in trying to make this plot for her (which they really haven't even touched on much, especially since Buchanan is gone now) that they forget to apply her to the rest of the show.

I called all of that too and also the bank manager getting shot, but Jack and Wayne being unscaved during their escape. But I've gotten used to the fact that there is too much predictable scenarios and too much logic thrown out the window. They've been doing it for the last 2-3 seasons. The worst predictable thing they do constantly is have Jack(or whoever) in a situation where a terrorist is about to pull the trigger on them, then at the last split second, the terrorist is shot by someone else. I FUCKING HATE THAT!

I still like this show, but it has really disappointed me for the last couple seasons, because of problems like this. It used to be my favorite show by far, now it's probably one of the least favorite shows that I always watch every week. I think they need to get some new writers with some new ideas. Other shows that I watch, like The Shield, The Sopranos, The Wire, and others, are almost never predictable, yet this show is plagued with predictablity and false logic almost every single episode. Oh well, maybe next season.

I thought "The Sentinal" was going to be something like how Henderson was framed and taken down by Jack. So it's like a prequel to Henderson's and Jack's relationship.

LOL@Chloe's scene.
*comes out of the bathroom*
"What were you doing?"
"Are you kidding me? If you want the details I'll write you a report."
Oh yeah, I wasn't feeling the "James Bond" music, it was kinda corny.

You already said that earlier in the thread, didn't you? And I said that it's an ACTION MOVIE cliche, it's not specific to 24.

I don't think she cracked her head. I think she just passed out from the pain. I didn't see blood on her head or even a scratch. I clearly saw that she did not hit the table. So, no hitting "her head on something."

Forgive me for not remembering I posted it earlier in the thread, and forgive me for not reading every post in the thread so I didn't even read your comments on it being an Action Movie cliche. I agree that it isn't a specific cliche to 24, I never said it was. But I think of a season of 24 as a big long movie, and there have been 5 of them, and it happens several times a season. If you watch a single 2 hour Action movie and every 15 minutes they do that same cliche(which is probably the equivalent to how many times it happens in a season of 24), it would get old very quickly. I can't think of any movies that do that more than once the entire movie(there probably is 1 or 2 that do it twice). So since it think of a season 24 as a big long movie, if they do the same thing repeatedly many times per movie, plus they do it in every sequel, you better believe it's annoying.

By this logic, that would be about eight times. Can you name eight moments in any season when this has happened?

Honestly, I can't name 8 times in a single season off the top of my head. That's not the point though. If it only happens 7 times, does that make it okay? The point is, it happens way too much, period. 3 times in a season is too much, let alone 5,6,7,8....every season.

Anybody see this?
http://www.catscape.com/wordpress/?p=12

LOL, old lady thinks she's Jack Bauer bringing the bad guys down on a bumper sticker!

I know that wasn't point, as I already knew you couldn't actually answer that question. My point is that you are over exaggerating about how many times it actually happens per season. It probably doesn't even happen three times a season like you say. I think you're just getting so caught up on hating this cliche that you're thinking it happens more than it actually does.

Some parts are predictable but it's all enjoyable so just enjoy it and watch it.
just for fun

I was really surprised by the way Heller handled the whole situation. On the one hand, I know he's a 'play by the rules' type of guy, so him screwing over Jack is reasonble, but it still didn't seem like something he would do (you would think he'd treat the guy who saved his life with some fucking dignity). But, if he was gonna play by the rules, why try to blackmail Logan at all? It seems like he would be the type of person who would just go the attorney general with the tape, but instead he's made to look almost evil in the way he goes about getting rid of Logan. They really screwed up his character, and not for any good reason, either.

And I was praying that Jack would keep the tape, even though I knew he wouldn't. The whole way that scene was setup, with the Jack/Henderson angle and the Heller/Logan angle, practically gave the whole thing away. Had this episode been the second to last episode, it could have went either way, but it was still to early for both of them fall already.

Oh, and Homeland Security is a bunch of idiots. I mean, they were able to let Chloe to slip by them in such an easy manner.

Fucking right. The music usually does a decent job of complementing the action, but between the "James Bond knockoff" tunes and the terribly, terribly bad music that appeared in the episode with Theo Stoler (er, I think that was his name), it has started coming off as really cheesy.

I was surprised as well, but it seems plausible enough when you consider what he said about a public spectacle destroying the integrity/image/whatever of the Presidency. After all, if he was willing to have his son tortured last season for the sake of getting information about a terrorist group, he probably wouldn't have any qualms about doing what he did in the last episode for the sake of protecting the image of the Presidency.

OSNAP. Obligatory most recent episode of 24 post:

Man, Heller dropped the ball on this one. :p

I can't help but wonder, with all the available technology they have, why they didn't send the recording over to some other source by phone. :rolleyes:

Ditto. You'd think that they'd be able to send the recording over some kind of network or something along those lines.

I don't think it's a tape-based recorder, I think it was a digital voice recorder.

That being said, I also don't know why they couldn't have made a copy.

Personally, I don't think they had enough time to do that.


-Jack & Wayne escape, bearing in mind that the martial law and the hunt for Jack is still in effect

-Jack meets Bill and tells him to take Wayne somewhere safe.

-Jack couldn't give the recording to Bill and Wayne because he was going to present it to Audrey, who in turn would reveal this to Daddy Day Care

-Jack hands Heller the recording after playing it to him.

-Heller pimpsmacks Jack and ties him up, giving the recording to Bauer Victim #2130

-Jack takes a while to escape.

-Henderson's chopper and TIME CRISIS GOONS show up just when Jack was about to high-tail outta there

-Henderson goes apeshit on Audrey while Jack has the recording, forcing him to give it up

-Chloe arrives at Bill's house to track down Jack


Had Bill known that Chloe was going to show up beforehand, everything would have went peachy. But he didn't.

Also, I like how "Where's Mike?" is becoming "Where's Curtis?" Can't have two lead black people not named Palmer on the show, eh?

I hope Aaron just left the phone there for security reasons or something. No way Nixon...I mean Logan could have known he was off.

Lastly, THAT WAS A LOT OF SPLIT-SCREENS at the end :edgartpg:

The other silly thing is that in Season 2, a nerd made a program that could fake any voice in an audio conversation with no detection. So... in 24 world, how much weight would a recording have?

Yeah, let's just forget about that, I guess.

I think it would have been the most bad-ass scene in all of 24 if when Logan asked Heller (in front of the vice president), "...and where is this evidence?", Heller pulls the audio player out of his pocket, showing that he fooled everyone about the location of the actual one (and the one that Henderson had was a fake).

Kinda like in Season 1 when Palmer fooled his wife about the location of the actual mini audio tape.

That reminds me. What happened to the transcripts that Martha had until Walt took them? Destroyed, right?

Ha! Heller would play that role perfectly.

6 more episodes to go. I liked how Logan brought up the Chinese to Mike, so they're not forgotten...

...or Ze Germans...

There was all that time while Jack was tied up for Heller's people to make a copy (Jack was tied up around the ten minute mark, and he didn't escape until at least about the forty minute mark, leaving about a half hour to make a copy). I'm sure they didn't plan on Henderson coming though (or Jack escaping), and they probably thought they could take him if he did, so they figured they didn't need to make a copy.

And yeah, I noticed all thos screens at the end. I'm pretty sure that was a first.

I thought what Heller did was actually pretty in character, even though it still surprised me. He's a pragmatist, and doesn't believe that taking down Logan in a messy manner would do anyone good. Especially since Jack's role in the situation would have to be made public and that really isn't good news for the US's relations with China.

Also, I think he did slip him a different recorder. The one they had in the bank was this really sleek digital looking one that I thought looked more like a thermometer than a recorder. The one Jack passed off to him was definately the old-style mini-tape recorder with a mic at the top.

I like when Logan said "I know my part!". Sounds like MGS2 LOLILULELO!

If that wasn't enough, Chloe stoled Miles' ID Card like it was a dogtag :tpg:

That would be fucking beast. Haha.

I was also toying with idea that while Logan is the "big name" involved with the events of today, I still think Henderson still has his own agenda. His "pandora-boxness" is still yet to be seen. No information has been exactly extracted from him yet.

Well, it could be argued that he was most likely referring to Logan's involvement when he mentioned the whole Pandora's box thing. If he had admitted that back then when he first said that, it probably would have been an "OMG WTF!?" moment, but now it just seems like he was overstating it when he mentioned all that.

Personally though, I'm still hoping that there is something bigger, something that will create an "OMG WTF!?" moment, but considering how late in the season it is, it would be hard for them to really establish another major baddie and still give them a good plot. Even using an existing character, it would be hard to do without making the plot all nonsensical and stuff.

It was all part of poor Edgar's master plan to win Chloe's heart. :(

Even without making a copy, you'd think that a digital recording stored on a CELL PHONE would be easy to send over by email (or SMS, or phone, whatever) using the actual phone. That's quite irritating, especially since they always have the perfect gadget or software to read and analyze every sort of data (building schematics, security cameras of any building, traffic, satellite, decryption of any sort of data, etc.). And now, they are powerless to do anything with a digital recording and a cell phone. :confused:

I'm hoping Jack tossed over another cell phone, but maybe Henderson would have noticed too soon somehow and shot Audrey, and he wouldn't risk her... Hmm, we'll see.

Just pointing out:

...the voice recorder wasn't a cell phone. It appeared to be a digital voice recorder (or a mini-tape recorder).

Okay, that program from Season 2 doesn't fake a voice, it can fake a conversation, i.e. the words (or the sounds) have to have been said by the sources. Then it could be supposedly seamlessly rearranged as desired, to create an undetectable fake recording.

I don't think anyone smart would send something this important across the Internet. There's no telling who could gain access to it if that occurred.

Are you sure? It looked like a cell phone to me. And I could have sworn they brought that up... :scratches head:

Uh, right.

But it's incredibly easy to get audio of the president, and you could just fake another voice for Henderson.

Hey guys, we're special, as Fox it letting us help choose DVD covers! Just take the survey here.

I chose the first one, because it uses the logo that matches all the other seasons, and it's all over black, which makes it somewhat different than the other seasons. I didn't like the two that didn't use the circle logo, because they didn't really match the other DVD sets, and I didn't choose the other two because the color schemes were a little too close to the season 4 set.

The choice was a little bit harder in whether or not I wanted thinpaks or not. On the one hand, I want it to match the other sets, but on the other, I like the thinpak format better overall. Ultimately I chose to keep it the same, just so all the seasons could be uniform (except season 1, which will always be smaller).

I already voted for the first one since it reflects the premise of the entire season, in that very image.

I voted digipacks for continuity purposes. They should use the thinpacks for Season 6 on up, as 24 isn't the same with all the people Jack knows or love dead or gone. So everything, including the packaging, should change with the show starting next season.

I'd rather have them keep it the same throughout the whole series. But if they were dead set on changing the packaging, I'd rather have them start with this season, so that (using Kiefer Sutherland's new three year contract as a basis) half the series (season 1-4) used digipaks, and the other half (seasons 5-8) uses thinpaks.

OSNAP FRANCE. WHO KNEW?

So the President says "Henderson"? WHO KNEW?

OH SNAP HELLER

Wow, I kinda sorta respect him for doing what he did there... he's almost like the new Sean Astin, except for the part where he didn't save everbody's life.

Okay, I know Heller wasn't at his best last week, but his death was pretty stupid. I mean, he didn't even try to evade them or anything. The three minutes weren't up yet, so he could have done something to try and escape them.

Why is it that once again everything comes down to an audio recording?

'Sup Paul McCrane.

Instead of making Chloe run, why not just tell the tac team to step down? I'm glad to see Karen Hayes is realizing the truth, but she's doing it in a stupid way.

'Sup Curtis.

I fucking Lol'd when Audrey was all like "KILL HIM JACK!". I don't know, but the way she said it was extremely funny.

Thoughts:

-Curtis is missing for two episodes, and comes back for two minutes. <sigh>

-Bierko...I forgot all about him...

-For some reason, I don't think Heller is dead. He probably faked his death like he faked his heart attack last season. HA! But then again, Martha's assistant and daughter...

-Jack sneaking onboard a LEVEL 8 SECURITY carrier. Man, he's better than all the GTA protagonists combined! :tpg:

-I like how they explained why Henderson didn't destroy the recording, tying it to Walt Cummings' suicide and knowing his and Logan's place.

-Well, Aaron's not dead. I hope. I liked the scene between Logan and Martha. Very intense. Both deserve awards dammit.

-Chloe ordering Bill around, trying not but somewhat failing to emasculate him while doing so AND while apologizing! She owns!

-Who was that person Logan talking to, and his people? Are they part of the Sentox placement or the oil plans or what? Or was that even revealed yet? I wasn't paying attention...

-Miles...why is that name so vile? :tpg:

They never really said it, but I'm guessing that's the 'ultimate bad guy' for this season (like Max, Saunders, and Marwan from the other seasons). I really don't care who he is though (I believe his name was Graham, though), I'm just glad to see Paul McCrane on here.

As was said before, the person only needs to say certain "phonemes" (I think thats the term). Basically it's each consonant and vowel sound, so that any word can be made up in a speech synthesis program.

Jack sneaking onto the plane was the goofiest thing ever. He's already dressed like the Unabomber, and then he grabs a couple of pieces of luggage. What's he trying to do, disguise himself as a suitcase?

Also, Jack Bauer + helicopter + Paul McCrane = VICTORY.

I just remembered that Paul McCrane was the dude who shot of Murphy's arm in Robocop! Along with himself, Robocop and V.P. Gardner are reunited together again lol. Not to mention Samwise and that doctor on Virtuosity (Miles). Great casting this season!

Ya, I've made such a program before back when I did some Digital Speech Processing work. "Phonemes" is correct. The prorgram in Season 2 used voice samples that were stitched together. Nothing was synthesized. Though, Logan could have said "HEN!", "DER!", and "SON!" then that program could be used.

IT'S BEEN A STRANGE NIGHT.
IT'S BEEN A STRANGE NIGHT.
IT'S BEEN A STRANGE NIGHT.
IT'S BEEN A STRANGE NIGHT.
IT'S BEEN A STRANGE NIGHT.

Novick wins.

I've never seen Robocop, so I'll always just remember McCrane as Dr. Romano from ER, who got his arm chopped off...by a helicopter. He later died...by a helicopter. Something better happen to him on 24...involving a helicopter.

oop...I was under the impression that everyone had seen it. It IS 20 years old :tpg:

The Scene: (not for the squeamish/non-desensitized)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzwWkqTIDrA

Hmm, looks like the "Patriots" (La Li Lu Le Lo?), have some sort of commanding role in all this. Kinda wish they'd clear up the situation Martha's assistant and daughter (who I'm sure are dead, but some clarification would be great). Aaron's mysterious disappearance, Novak who appears to be in his office or something just thinking about (more mystery). And Heller, he could have survived that I'd think, just gotta swim out of it.

And Jack sneaking onto the plan, haha, kinda ridiculous that no one noticed him.

Oh well, still can't wait to see what happens next week. Especially to find out what exactly the outside group (the "Patriots") contacting Logan are plotting. Oh and to see what they're going to do with Bierko and Henderson.

Heller must live to be President next season, though I doubt it due to his involvement with other series. (Curses!)

However, the favorite part of this last episode was the revelation that Walt Cummings did not kill himself. Nice touch there.

Heller was one of my favorite characters from Season 4, and I was glad to see him come back to the show. As for his "death", I don't believe he is dead either. I've learned that if I do not see them actually die, then I cannot assume them dead. He probably pulled the trick from the "007 A View to A Kill" where Bond used the air from the tires to stay alive until Mayday and Zorin left the scene, ;).

Wait...Henderson is Robocop? O... M... G... This changes everything! It also makes much more sense of this:
http://bauervsmurphy.ytmnd.com/

Does that even work?

Totally in for Heller being president. Only problem is that he'd probably have to get assassinated during the season to give them something to possibly top this season's events (that would make it three presidents killed/maimed in three seasons, though).

I also totally called Cummings not having kill himself back when it happened, but none of my friends remembered it. :(

Hahah, the la li lu le lo. If Jack is Snake then who's Raiden?
For some reason I keep thinking that

Hmmm, don't know who Raiden would be, but Henderson must be Liquid/Ocelot and Chloe = Otacon + Mei Ling. Maybe Buchanan is Colonel Campbell.

Wayne was/is Raiden.

Great episode. I wasn't sure if Kim Raver's performance as Audrey was funny or excellent. Probably both. I laughed when she babbled "stop, shut up" hysterically, but it seemed convincing enough, and Audrey is normally very calm so it'd be difficult to make her "lose it" convincingly.

Martha vs Charles was great. I cheered a little. Now the president's stress level must be at its peak. :D

Nah, for the most part, I haven't seen that many older movies. In fact, compared to most people, I probably haven't seen that many movies at all (I only go to the movies twice a year at the most, and I only own 7 movies on DVD). TV is where it's at for me!

But anyway, yeah, that scene was pretty cool. However, I still believe helicopter death tops it. That's just a crappy way to die, especially after you've already been attacked by a helicopter once.

That didn't stop him from being on this season. You know, since no one watched Crumbs.

I'm betting this whole diplomatic plane thing is just some diversion that Henderson setup. This is how I see the rest of the season now. For this coming week, Jack gets the intel of the person who apparently has the recording and torturers him. He has to be at the least French or British since I definatly saw those limo's at the airport. We then find out the recording isnt even on this guy or on the plane, which exposes Jack on an internatioal level, since he has now gone over the edge with a foreign diplomat. Meanwhile, Bierko launches a contingency plan that Jack has to stop, which he does. Finally, at the end of the season, we find out that this diplomat has tipped off Jack's name to thier intelligence, and leaks him being alive to the Chinese. Seems the most plausible to me now.

oh yeah, Wayne would be Raiden. Since they've only done training and never any field operations. heheheh. It's all coming together now.

Oh man, I need to add that. But I'm not sure if it's awesome enough.

"There's always a contingency plan." ~ Christopher Henderson

More Awesome Quotes. Help out, yo.

Don't forget season 4's "Mr. President, it's been an honor"

Pretty good episode, nice "victory" scene when Jack finally got the recording at the end.

REALLY stupid how they're not playing the file over the phone to Chloe/CTU/etc... Geez, suddenly they're making it seem like audio can't be copied in "24 world."

Oh, and gotta love the comedic Chloe zapping scenes.

Chloe has been "electrifying" this season :tpg:

I can't believe there's 4 episodes left as this show still has me on the edge.

However, if there's something that's disturbing me a little, it's that this episode should be the last where people don't know anything or want to say anything due to who they're after (Logan) and the lack of evidence (for both Logan and Jack, the latter of which there is none). The pieces should be put together by all parties so we can focus on Bierko, Graham, Logan, Henderson, etc.

Also:


Where's Bierko?

Where's Gardner?

WHERE'S CURTIS?!

WHERE'S AUDREY?!?!?!

...

....where's Heller? :tpg:

After all that stuff Jack did in this episode, Chloe still wound up being the best part. I fucking lol'd to no end after she tasered that guy.

Overall though, this was a pretty good episode, especially compared to the last few couple of episodes.

And what's up with Logan? For someone who's supposed to be a part of a conspiracy (and, you know, the President of the United States), he really isn't in control of anything. It seemed like Henderson was in control before he got arrested, and now it seems like Paul McCrane (Graham) is. You would think he would try to make sure he was in control before joining a conspiracy of this magnitude, but alas...

The last 2 episodes are on my graduation day...my party better end early.

WHERE'S TONY???!?!

I would seriously miss my graduation to watch 24. Seriously.

"Hey, I know where you can get free bandwidth."
Taser
XD

*Wakes up*
"Whoa...what...?"
Taser
XDDDDDDDDDD

I missed the first 20 minutes 'cause of work. My brother told me that Jack Bauer punched a guy in the face so fast that nobody noticed. Awesome. Requesting animated gif of said event.

I have no gif, but I just want to tell you that he didn't punch the guy, he elbowed him. You know, because he'e too cool to use his hands.

Pretty awesome episode tonight. Chloe's scenes are always classics.

I don't see why Logan doesn't just let the plane land and have his people capture Bauer. Why should he keep listening to that four-eyed baldy asshole (Not Mike Novick, btw)?

Because too many people already know that Jack has something, so if he were to get captured and nothing was said about him, it would cream cover-up. However, if the plane mysteriously gets shot down, all those people just look crazy. That's how I see it, anyway.

Because he's Paul McCrane. That alone is reason enough.

Still doesn't make sense to me... What can Baldy do to Logan? He's not the not the one with the recording, Jack is. If Logan refuses to do what Baldy says, what is he gonna do? Send some guys to kill him?! XD.

No wait, Baldy's gonna work with Jack Bauer to bring Logan down if he refuses! :lolsign:

Well, this guy also had Henderson under his control as well, so he must have some kind of power. It probably won't be revealed though until the third to last or second to last episode.

PLEASE tell me Dr. Romano is with the Illuminati. I think I'd just kind of die right there, a happy man.

Come on. How stupidly awesome would that be.

I'm figuring Baldy's probably some Kingsley-type character from Season 2. Oh wait, has there been any new information on this guy? I forget...:doh: