I can't dance, going to clubbing
 

So yeah :(
I need the fastest lightning course the internet has ever seen on how to dance at clubs as I'm going with some girls this saturday.

Oh lucky you! My friend's having her party this Saturday and I'm staying for the eating part but ditching the clubbing because I can't dance :S

I guess you'll be fine as long as you don't flail your body around too wildly, injuring others in the process. Just enjoy the music in moderation. If clubs are packed, then it's not like the whole room will be intent on staring at you dance, therefore detracting from their own pleasure.

Nice tips :)
Thanks. More tips please :D

Nothing like the blind leading the blind.

Ok, what city do you live in? What type of club is it?

A few general tips:

1. Pregame - as in drink a few... like 3 before you go but don't get sloppy.

2. If you don't feel like dancing, nurse your drink and bob your head with the music.

3. Go ahead and dance. Just watch what other people are doing and go with the flow. There's no way to teach somebody to dance over the damned internet. Your best bet will be to walk up behind a girl who's already wasted and going to town, and basically just rock side to side, matching the movement of her hips. Drop your arms dead to your side, or put one hand in the air... or put one hand on her hip. You'll feel right at home when you've got a girl on either side of you doing a little bump and grind making a sandwich out of you.

4. Display confidence on all levels. Walk in like you own the place. Act like you do this kinda crap all the time. Every now and then if you don't feel like dancing just say something like, "I hate this fucking song" and go get another drink.

Watch what other people are doing, if they don't look stupid, just do what they do. :) No arm flailing, you'll take out someone.

The easy answer for club dancing in the U.S.: Dry humping

If you're not into raping girls from behind, then just moving to the music is also a really good way to dance w/o looking like a fool. Most men move their feet and upper part of their body, and it somehow causes their whole body to move. Avoid moving from the hips since it's mostly feminine, except for latin dances.

If you're the kind of person that does drink, then you may want to have a couple of drinks before you hit the dance floor. Just make sure you don't get too drunk. I was dancing with this one guy and he was a good dancer, but he kept saying, "Sorry I can't dance. I left my alcohol in my dorm and I can dance better when I'm drunk." He said that the whole night, so I made up an excuse to leave so I wouldn't have to listen to his whining.

Confidence is very important. You could dance like Usher, but if you keep apologize for how bad you dance then it could easily chase those girls away. It's better to be a lame dancer but have fun than to be a great dancer who is always talking and apologizing for everything.

Hmm....interesting tips...
Its a club near Long Island and its owned by some basketball player I think.
I have to dress nice.

Tips:
1. Jump up and down if everyone else is doing so.
2. If its more of a groovy song, stick your thumbs into your pants, with hands outside and bend hips
3. If a girl is dancing with you, stick your arms in the air and wiggle your body at a moderate pace.
Have fun =)

Any bars I go to (although few) are country-western. No real way to pick up on the dancing as you go. Requires coordination or you step on feet =I Be grateful for other clubs-genres!

First you tell everyone to clear the floor. You flip a quarter in the Jukebox machine from where you're standing. Walk over to the Jukebox and pick a song.
*Note: Smooth Criminal is the only song that works with this. If they don't have it... you're out of luck.*

Walk back over to the middle of the floor. Hit a pose before the music starts.
BUST out you best Michael Jackson moves for 1 min and 1 min only. (Going beyond that by yourself would be just foolish) Have 4 more people join you.

Dance for exactly 5 more mins and stop. If THAT doesn't have people asking for your number... Nothing else will.

Michael Jackson moves indeed! Crotch-grabbing is the new two-step, I hear! ;D

No, no...its crotch grabbing while doing a moon walk, all the while being dressed in a halloween outfit like in thriller.

One main thing you must remember; try to relax. If you feel tense you won't dance fluidly, however you do it. Though I couldn't help you with moves, I'm not much of a dancer myself. Just see what other people are doing, have a few drinks, take a deep breath and just dance.

It really does depend on what music is being played. From what you're telling us, I'm guessing there's gonna be plenty of r'n'b / hiphop tunes... in that case a bit of hip-movement is fine, just make sure you're up against a girl while you're doing it :)

Also remember to MOVE YOUR FEET. I see so many guys in the middle of the dancefloor standing on the spot and not moving, and it looks a bit lame.

The best advice I can give you has already been given though - see how other guys dance and assimilate some of their moves into your own. Its suprising how much you can learn, I learned the very same way. Now I'm usually the first one on the floor and I'll dance away to anything :D

Just hold your arms out and spin around in circles, after a while you're gonna want to fall down, but try and use this to your advantage and stumble all over the floor. Eventually everyone else will be knocked out cold and you'll be the winner.

Get intimate with the girls you are with. Even if they are not interested with you, when a girl dances she loves to be touched because dancing is very sensual. People don't go to clubs to dance alone afterall.

I remember the Clubbing. Before it there was Drinking. And during the Clubbing there was vomiting. I don't remember the Dancing.

I can't dance either. Never stopped me going clubbing, though. I just dance like a twat, and try not to care. Obviously I never score, but I never especially want to either. I'm there to be with my friends, not some random girl.

I would only agree up to a point. A good number of girls would rather dance with guys looking only - if anyone comes up to them they'll push them away, so choose who you grope carefully... or expect a slap :)

I remember while attending my first dance in 6th grade a girl whom I was friends with leaned and whispered, "You can't dance!"

As traumatizing at that could have been I paid her no mind. The more dance parties I went to the easier it was! I haven't necessarily improved my dance skills, but as the years passed I shed away any fears of letting loose with the music! Everyone has there own unique momentum and I think it's best to try and dance with your partner. Dancing is carnal form of communication. If you can your body work with your partner's then you're golden. Watch her body moves while countering them with your own! Soon, you'll have enough experience to literally LEVEL UP your dancing skill. :tpg:

Many people suggested having a drink prior to going out dancing. My buddies and I simply bring a bottle into the club! :D

Well..as long as these girls are rather close to you, I'd say just bump'n grind on those hoes, that would probably the best temporary solution.

No one is going to judge you at a club. Everyone else is busy drunk, staring from the sides and corners of the room like weird stalkers, or having a hell of a time. My advice is to just go with the flow, move all your limbs, and don't be afraid to use your arms. Too many people I see just stand there, two legs planted, and bounce around on their knees. Gets drab after a while.

And moving to the rhythm is the first step to looking like you know what you're doing. Just move to the beat.

Change of plans!
We went eating at a restaurant/pub at the beach instead. The clubbing was moved to next week.

Anyways, on our way home, I asked one of the girl if I could follow her home. She said yes and it ended up with us two sleeping on her bed (not sexually, just cuddling and holding). It was late and we were both tired. She said I could hold her so I did that and we stayed on the bed a few hours. Talked a little bit and took small naps.
Around 5.30 AM she woke up from her little nap and I told her I had to go home. I asked if I could have a kiss and then she said maybe another time. What's going on? :aargh:

I know from her friends that she likes me (she has also told me that directly) and we have even talked about marriage in a few years. Jokes most of the times of course... still...
It's ok to hold her against me, touching her arms, legs, butt, but no kiss?


Something tells me it's because she just woke up, but I could be wrong... any ideas?

I have a cuddle buddy, but I wouldn't let him kiss me because for some crazy reason I feel that kissing is more intimate than cuddling, but that's just me. I think she may have been caught up in the moment and lack of sleep caused her to become less shy possibly. Either that, or 5:30 AM was just too early and she was still sleepy, which is probably the reason why she said "maybe another time" to the kiss.

Give it a little time. See how she reacts the next time she see's you.

Congrats for asking, nice.

But then you didn't make a move, and then you asked the next day. So it's off to friends zone, unfortunately. :(

If there's a next time, sniff her hair a little and tell her she smells nice, and keep smelling her while not touching her. (It sounds stupid but it works). And deprive her of touching a little while when she wants it (bat her off if you have to); it's fun. ^_^

bat her...?

That sounds weird. If she wants to cuddle with you then, for me, that's a sure sign she likes you. I personally wouldn't get physically intimate with someone unless I like him. Maybe she thought that kissing was too soon or moving too fast. I wouldn't think too much on it. Instead, focus on how to deal with the situation next, like asking her out, etc. until she is comfortable to kiss. Asking is very polite. Pat yourself on the back for that!

In my experience girls aren't anxious to kiss early in the morning because their breath stinks, so that may very well be the reason. I've had many a hot night of sex (involving kissing of course) and then being rejected when I leaned in for a kiss in the morning. Some girls will tell you that their breath stinks and they don't want to kiss you and others will just rather let you sweat it out. Also your breath prolly stunk too.

But I have to ask you a question, what's your deal with asking? Show a little confidence and make a move. If she doesn't want to, she'll just tell you no. It's not a big deal. There's a very good chance she was put off just because you asked.

Or maybe I meant playful slaps. Ya know.

Hmmm...
We went to the cinemas today and saw a movie.
She told me that I was too young for her :( (I'm 25 and she's 27).

Am I doomed or is it a way to convince her?
I need help desperately... I really want to be with her. Being with her makes me really happy inside and I haven't had this feeling for a very long time...

Pretend like you don't give a shit about her anymore. And act like she's too old. Say that you don't want to date an old bag like her anyways.

Wait a sec... dude, why are you 25 and asking a bunch of kids on a gaming message board for advice? This is blowing my mind.

Also, how is it that you got to be 25 years old and you still ask a girl for permission to kiss her? Never ask a girl that. Never ask, just act in confidence. Why didn't you make a move while you were getting some ass grabbage? It was right there on a silver platter, and you did nothing! Nothing says, "let's make a bad decision" like being in a drunk girl's bed and playing the cuddle game with bonus points for heavy petting.

Do something special for her, see if you can win her over. Take her out on a magical date, candle light dinner, serenade the works! Picnic, watching the sunset/rise, you biking and her sitting on the back thing. Watch a movie, a chick flick unless she prefers otherwise, like if you can find one where the chick is older than all the better.

lol...i just thought of an idea (its cheesy, but it might work)
so let's say you watch notting hill (pretty good chick flick), at the end when he wants to ask her out, he says like "if i got down on my knees and begged you to reconsider" or something like that. so when the movie is done, ask the girl out like they did in the movie, using the exact lines. well depends if she likes the movie, but heck its an idea
But be yourself, tell her how you feel. If she still doesn't like you and can't get over the fact that you're younger than I don't think it'd work out that well anyways.

If she was a man and you were a homo that might work, sure.

As was already said, you're 25 and asking for advice on dancing and dating and you asked a girl's permission to kiss her? What the hell have you been doing for the past 9 years? I assumed from the thread content and your terrible writing skills that you were about 16 or something. Maybe she's saying you're too young not because of your actual age but because you need to grow the hell up a bit.

I think you've blown it already with this girl. Your best bet is to move on and try to find someone more on your level.

That's hot.

But he's right. Just take her neanderthal-style. She'll like it. Although if she's telling you that you're too young, that's most likely a brush-off, unless you can convince her that you're more mature than other guys your age she knows. And boldly going for that kiss might be a good start.

I've been living under a box and studying for the past 9 years... :(

I'm sitting in the middle of class and I seriously lol'd at that. :tpg:

Saying that she's too old for you is merely an excuse. A 2 year difference is nothing. I doubt there will be anyway to lift this relationship out of the friendship level, but who knows..

She may have said you were 'too young' possibly because you asked for a kiss. Moreso, as Gelfling also said, she may think you were immature because you obviously had the golden opportunity infront of you, but neglected to act on it. You may be able to salvage this, but don't get your hopes up.

Next time you're with her, tell her exactly how you feel. If she's still indifferent, move on!

Next time is tomorrow...
We're going to the carnival with her cousins. my aunt and some of her friends.
Any suggestions on how to get a moment with her? It's going to be hard as her little cousins likes me a lot. They tend to jump on me and hug me whenever I'm around with her.

Pull her behind the tilt-a-wheel and plant one on her. Then say, "There's more where that came from, sugar-tits."

What's the best thing to do?
Try to avoid all kinds of contact with her at the carnival and hope for that she wants me back aka acting hard to get

or

try to convince her of wanting me back?

play it forward, be assertive, but not overpowering

ouch...just ouch

Do NOT try to convince her of anything. Make her come to you. If you come off as begging, you'll never be able to recover from that. If you see that she's flirting back, make your move...with confidence.

Be confident, be flirty, and be positive. Absolutely no whining about your horrible social life or the fact that no one will ever love you.

I agree with the advice I have read about the trip for tomorrow. Let her know that you're interested, but don't seem too clingy. If she doesn't want you, give it some time and don't chase after her unless the signals are there.

I know a few 12 year olds that could teach some 40 year olds a thing or two about sex, disturbing but the kissing situation isn't exactly shocking. Maybe the rest of his buddies have no clue and this could be a last resort since there are a few members that are over 25. Or, maybe he just feels more comfortable talking to on-line people than off-line since they're not face-to-face. I don't find it odd, in fact, having an older person consider the opinions of younger people as important is hard to find.

Granted, if he were 50 then it would be a creepy, but he's still around the age that some of the people on the fourm are, so why not ask for advice?

Alright, I'll go to the carnival with her and play with her cousins as if we just met.

I think that you should buy a hat with built in surveillance equipment like a camera and a microphone and an ear piece. Then when you go to the carnival tomorrow, you can call one of us to give you play by play advice. Record the whole thing and put it in this thread.

This thread is continues to gather the interest of the GFF community.

I don't know why she thinks you are too young. 2 years at your age is not a big difference at all. Like MetheGelfling said, show that you don't care about that and just keep moving foward. Hopefully she has feelings for you. I wouldnt give up just yet.

I don't understand the age thing either...
She did mention one thing when I asked her about dating younger guys.

"Young guys wants something different, you know what I mean?"
I said no and then she tried to explain but couldn't.

We need to break the unwritten society law that says that girls only date older guys...

A serious relationship maybe? Younger men usually want somthing fun, quick, and hot. Since she's closer to her 30s, I wouldn't doubt she's looking to "settle down."

Could be completely wrong as I didn't bother to read the thread. :)

At the carnival maybe pay more attention to her cousins than to her...I dunno only advice I can think of...

Stuff like that can horribly backfire...

well I was thinking give her space...and I don't know bout most girls, but I sure enjoy seeing young men interact (positively...not in a sketchy way) with children...it's incrediably appealing to me because I work at a day care...but that's just me...

Oh, took that the wrong way I guess. I assumed you meant "pay attention to someone that's not her." You know, because most people think if you ignore a woman she'll come crawling back pining for your attention and love.

It's a dangerous ploy and some women just hate kids.

Gaming - But more importantly, progress report please. Let the hand of internet losers guide your hand to a life of love

Well, the carnaval was interesting and fun.
I focused on helping and watching her cousins, making sure they had fun. I always tried to walk behind/in front with the kids instead of walking beside her. Sometimes she came up to me and started to talk. During the rides, she always made sure the kids had a partner first, ending with she and me riding at the back. During breaks to eat/drink, she pointed at the space beside her so that I could sit next to her. I did that too one time when she was standing.

But I think all of these signals are just because she was trying to be nice.
Also, I won this gigantic puppy that I gave to her :)

Hmmm, what else...
I got her cousins drinks, gifts, money to play games. I even carried one of the little girls to the parking space at the end of the day.


Here's the interesting part:
She drove me home and right before I was going to get out of the car, she touched my arm and looked at me. It was a few seconds glare (her cousins was sitting in the back), so I kinda just looked into her eyes too... Then I just went out of the car.
We're still going to go out (she told me she was going to mail me, so it's going to be today or saturday).

I still think all of these signals are out of kindness and friendship...

Seriously... don't play hard to get. I think women are more suited for that role, but men? That's just ridiculous in my eyes. If you really like her, show it. But don't be too obvious like stalker like, that'd be creepy. Play it cool. Ignoring her is the worst thing you can do.

On the topic of younger guys, if this girl doesn't like you because you're younger, maybe she's not for you. I know some girls stick to this terrible older guy stigma (I encountered one that solely wants to date guys 5 years older than her!) that makes me want to puke, and their reasoning is terribly outdated and molded by societal traditions. Age, especially two years younger, is not an issue for me. But if she assumes something about your personality that comes with your age, I would put that as a red flag.

Double Post:
Didn't read your latest post. It seemed like the day was successful. Hanging out with her cousins was good; it shows you're caring, good with kids. I would ask her on another date.

I forgot to mention that this is the like the 3rd or 4th time I've given my shirt to her cousins because they were cold. She has also borrowed my shirt twice.
Some of the times I asked them, sometimes they just took my shirt.

Get those shirts back. I fear they are gone forever.

Wow, talk about mixed signals. I can't tell now if she wants to be friends are she wants to get closer to you. Go on a couple more dates then be foward and ask her. Because after another weeks of so if she is still not interested, then honestly, I do not think it is worth it.

ps: Don't tell her, ever, that you have been receiving tips from a gaming site. Don't even drop a hint of it

Unless you want to become a (sort of) reincarnate of Densha Otoko.

Hey man i've dealt with similar situations and i hope i can help with something :

First of all : Going for 'bribery' is not the way to create any feelings, you buying her cousins stuff is not as good as you think it is, and so is giving her the toy you won (Although i support that, since you'd look gay going home with it, but next time use a little care-free approach to giving to her, i hope you didn't give it to her like a Valentine's day gift :D) But like i said, 'bribery' most cases gets you nowhere fast and even may backfire. You're better off with what you offer as a person, not a 'provider'.

Second : Don't play hard to get, don't throw yourself at her, and don't wait neutrally for her to 'come and get you' (the chances for that are VERY slim).
Confusing? I'll tell you what works for me alot, try being as cool-headed as possible, but use 'golden moments' like that look in the car, women - unlike men- value looks and body language much higher, and tend to detect them with much higher sensetivity. When you look try to make your look mean something like 'i'm into you' (simply by thinking of it) but not 'I'm desperate for you', it's hard and i sound like i don't know what the hell i'm talking about but believe me it's much easier than you think.
Merely thinking of something while in the moment is usually enough to convey it. But always remember that you kinda 'put yourself out there' and got pushed away, so consider the next try your last and don't put too much hope on it, always think "If it works out then cool, if it doesn't then we're probably not 'compatible' anyway" that should give you a little 'laid-back' mood which shows a little more confidence which is always sexy. Women -as far as my humble experience has shown me- enjoy knowing that you KNOW what you want but don't let what you want degrade you. Before this is taken the wrong way lemme tell you this : Confidence is sexy only when you do show interest, totally ignoring a girl isn't confidence, it's dumb and how can she know that you've not really "ruled her out" instead of just playing it cool?

I guess all i mean to say is, you have to KNOW that you're worthy of her and act upon that, don't be all like "I just did that, will she like me now?", be confident that you have a multitude of great things (And that she at least knows most of them, which is what those signs show, even if they don't mean attraction) Now all you have to do is create some more attraction and act quickly when you see a spark, if that doesn't work then it probably never would have, and you just saved yourself staying lost more...ponder that =) .

Hope that helps at all .. =)

She wants to go to the beach tomorrow and watch the sunset...
I want to give her a little present or something when I meet her tomorrow. Any suggestions?

Scrap the present, until you're in a full-fledged relationship, did you not read what i said? Bribery doesn't help...!!

Also, tomorrow's 'date' MUST end in a kiss, or else believe me you're very probably off into the friend's zone..

Save anything from your first date? If so, give her that. It's gotten me a few tears before.

Can any girl on GFF confirm this please? Given the previous happenings, isn't it unwise to give gifts before the relationship is established? How many times have words and actions spoken to you much better than physical gifts (No matter how insiginificant in physical value and significant in emotional value, such as saved stuff from the first date..etc)?

Trust me dude, forget the gifts, you should think for now that YOU are the best you can offer to her, let the gifts come in when they mean more. Like in her birthday or your anniversery.
For now it's a definite don't, trust me.

I agree that bribery isn't the way to go. I've seen so many women use men or stay with men just so they can get as many gifts as they could and then leave. Not say that she would do that, but it's just something to be cautious about. After all, you gave her that stuff animal, so you don't need to shower her with gifts yet.

However, I also agree with vampiro and if you have a little something from the last date, you could give it to her. Or, if you do want to give her something, give her a flower or some candy--but don't go all out and buy her a dozen roses and a box of imported chocolates. That way, it's not so extravagant that she feels guilty or could use you, but it's still semi-romantic and it could blend well with the sunset viewing. Even asking her if she wants to borrow your jacket could be counted as the gift. I know it seems lame, but you're not yet in the relationship and she seems like the romantic type if she likes to watch the sunset.

What I'm saying is, you really shouldn't give her an extravagent gift that will last for a long time. However, if you are one of those people that HAS to give her something, make sure it's small, inexpensive, and can't be taken back to a store in exchange for cash (a poem, the jacket offer, etc.). I've seen too many men hurt by this and too many women corrupted by it.

Definitely try to sneak in a kiss if you can. You don't even have to start off full-lips, you could just sneak one on the cheek or a kiss on the hand to coarse her into kissing. If she rests her head on your shoulder, sneak one in on the head or forehead. Hopefully, this will cause her to give you a full view of her face and lean in for the main kiss (it also keeps her from freaking out since you've basically gave her hints to what you want to do).

Good luck.

Yeah see what i mean.. Visavi paid attention to a detail i totally missed, cuz she's a girl and like i said, females detect stuff more accuarately.. That she sounds romantic And you wanting to give her gifts also means you're a bit romantic too, at least that's how we guys try to get romantic. So she sound slike a perfect fit for you and i need to shut up :P .. Just don't go overboard with anything.

Nice Visavi, discussing stuff like this does help, i should pay more attention to shit like that in real life myself !

Giving her a bunch of gifts might make her feel uncomfortable. I know that I would feel awkward if a guy gave me a present everytime we hung out.

I think Visavi has given you some great advice. Try and sneak a kiss on her forehead or cheek. Honestly, a forehead kiss has always seemed like the cutest thing a guy could do. It shows that you really like her and care about her.

Thanks, I'm a female with more male friends, so I try to get into both minds in order to help them. I think you made a good point about avoiding gifts, but there are men--like some of my male friends--who feel that they have to give/buy a girl something on the first date or else they feel rude. Small things like flowers or candy can be romantic, or even a poem. However, gifts aren't necessary for the first date.

Thanks. The idea of receiving a lot of gifts without giving back in return would make me feel guilty, but I know quite a few girls who will actually forbid to tell a guy she's not interested in him b/c she wants more gifts. I got the idea of the forehead kiss from a former crush that decided to go out with a friend of mine. The guy is Catholic, so whenever my friend was sitting down, he would either stand up or walk over to her and kiss her forehead.

Yeah, I hate it when someone gives me a gift and I don't have one to give back. I feel selfish. Oh well.

My ex always used to kiss my forehead, and a good friend of mine has done it a couple of times. It's a really sweet thing to do.

If you must give a gift, give a single flower, but not a rose. I feel like a rose is too early in the relationship; it also might give her a signal that you're moving too fast. Give something summery, like a lily or daisy or something. I would like that more than a rose. That is, unless you know for sure she likes you. Watching a sunset with you is a sure sign she's hinting at you, and if that's the case, by all means I would give her a rose, maybe even a red rose.

If she's not interested, gifts will definitely lead to awkwardness. But I think a gift will be fine.

Change of plans guys.
She was busy today, so she asked if we could go to the beach tomorrow instead. I said yes.
But I'm going to San Diego Zoo first, before I meet her tomorrow. Would it be a good idea to get her a little gift from the zoo? I really don't know what they sell in there besides stuffed animals and t-shirts.

I love how you're ignoring every piece of advice not according to your wuss-built mind.

If you wanna look like a kiss-ass pussy go ahead.

Wtf is the point asking advice when you're not gonna take it, you idiot? It's like talking to a brick wall, god you remind me of my cousin.

What a douchebag...
Go ahead get her a gift. I'd advise you to buy her a car while you're at it, and why not offer to clean her house every day when she ain't there? How about taking the laundry out for her?

My god, where are the real men??!!

Hmmm...
Sorry about that then. But she does know that I'm going to the zoo. In fact, she were going to go too, but something came up. I just figured it would be nice to bring her something nice and little back from the zoo.

Dude where is your backbone? Don't apologize ,be a real man, do whatever you feel that is necessary. Advice is there to pick and determine which is useful for yourself.

Here is my two cents...
Who cares if she knows you are going to the zoo? A gift isn't necessary, just show her pics or something of what you did there...and HENCE a good way to spend time with her by instigating conversation of your experiences in person. I personally like conversations that kill time (usually taking hours...wondering if this is a bad thing?) with the opposite sex. Then recommend dinner afterwards and have a great time one on one. It is nice to have some quiet time afterall rather than going from place and event.

Though anyone could help me out just to clarify from a girl's perspective since I never asked...do they they enjoy long haphazard conversations? (usually when I sit down and chat with one...they usually last 3-6 hours...).

A bit late on this, but this thread is ANGST material. Moved. :judge:

It depends on the girl. As long as the conversation is interesting and they get to add to it then it could be enjoyable. I do agree that if you really want to get her a gift from the zoo, pictures would probably be the best thing since they are not expensive and allows her to believe that you care enough about her to think of her in taking pictures with a less chance of her expecting expensive gifts. Besides, the pictures could tempt her for future dates that may include the zoo, and if you already buy her one thing from the zoo, then what are you going to do if you do become a couple?

However, like Cry Havoc said, you REALLY don't need to give her a gift since you're not dating yet. I know that some people find it very hard not to shower people with gifts, but it will let you know the real her and she won't feel guilty about receiving the gift. Also, it keeps you from thinking back and saying, "I can't believe I wasted $25 and she still turned me down."

There's no need to get her a zoo gift: it doesn't seem personal. A gift that relates to your visit to the zoo without her is going to end up in a corner of her room. Just do something with her.

I'm surprised at the post count turnout for this thread.

Keep it coming gaming. My advice from earlier remains the same. At some point, you should ask her directly and be upfront.

:tpg: most people don't know how to dance in a club, they just wiggle to the music cuz it's so crammed after a whlie >__>"

Cookie only reads thread titles !

lol jks.

But yeah, just chill on the beach and chat. Bring a jacket incase it get's cold, so you can lend it to her.

Do not buy her a gift yet. You will look needy and pathetic if you do.

Hopefully he sees that.

I'm agreeing with Alice twice in one day. The apocalypse is near.

An unexpected person came with us yesterday.
Her little girl cousin that I carried to the parking space a few days ago at the carnival. She had been crying or something, so that's why she came with us.
I don't know if it's true or just because she's not feeling safe with me.

I think I'm giving up on her. I do like her and all that, but something tells me that this is not going to work out. It's also taking too much time, something I don't have.
She promised that I would see her again another time, but I don't think that will happen.
I'm not going to e-mail her and remind her because I don't want to sound needy. I believe that if she really wants to see me again, she'll make contact.

Oof, feel better bro. =(
Girls make no sense anyways

Why don't you have time? Do you have a terminal illness or something?

Because I'm only here on vacation... and I'm leaving soon... july 28

So basically this wouldn't be a relationship anyway, then, if you don't live near her.

Oh well. This thread was fun while it lasted. I wish all Angst threads were this enjoyable with updates and such.

btw: Hi Alice!

But I'm going to move here soon...
I can wait for her, but I'm not sure if she can...

Does she know you're moving? But yeah...bringing a little cousin doesn't make her not feel safe around you...i think you mean like the cousin might have been there incase you were planning anything awkward. Heck if you aren't feeling it, then don't, if anything, try to pick it up when you move in.

I pulled the same trick with my ex-cuddle buddy. He has this fascination that I want to spend 24/7 with someone who just wants to cuddle with me and sleep with men. He's using me as an escape from his parents, and spending more than 2 hours with him starts to get tiring, so in order for him to bring me home within 2 hours, I made my little brother come with me. She may be telling the truth, but from what you've explained about her, I'm willing to bet she's using her as a distraction or barrier.

Moving to a new place could give you a better opportunity at more women. I don't know about the whole "she'll make contact" if she wants to see you since some women believe that the men should make contact first, but from what has been explained, I think you're better off not worrying about her. Good luck at your new place.

The surest way to figure her out is to just spill the beans. Tell her that you enjoy her company, and ask if she feels the same way. If she fumbles, chances are your fears are right. And the part about you moving, tell her that too, and regardless of how she responds to your question (about liking you) end with a positive note about how you'd like to meet up with her again and how maybe another day you'll like to spend more time with her and her cousins.

Its what I've been saying all along... ;_;

Kudos to that.

Wow, a legitimately useful post. Cool. (Can see this being helpful both ways...)

Yes, it is harsh and I should know better, but you live you hopefully learn right? Also, the guy is very thick in the head and doesn't understand the meaning of curfew.

More like the guy's very thick in the head, period.

We're still going to the theatres with her cousins on thursday.

That sounds good. What movie?

"You, me and Dupree", I think... It's still undecided.
Anyways, last night she asked if I wanted to go out with her before the cinema on thursday (which is later today).

I don't know where to go yet, have to mail her later...