Battlestar Galactica New Series
 

Okay, first off: I didn't watch the original BSG, so I can't take part in the heavy "which is better" discussion. But feel free to hold this discussion here!

Well, I kinda like this series, the characters are pretty good, the story is awesome and the effects are astounding.

The only downside would be the cameramen's parkinson, but oh well, I guess you get used to that after a few episodes. The soundtrack isn't too good, either :(

I do not like Battlestar Galactica.

As I've expressed before, I find it wholly generic. Look at the discussions in the show -- ooh, big explosions, sex robots, etc. These things alone are not entirely bad, but Battlestar Galactica has also somehow managed to convince masses of fandom that incredibly generic things it does are somehow brilliant. That alone bugs me. If it were the most entertaining show in the universe - and it's not, it's a very very generic drama that's set in space - it would still have had no clever commentary whatsoever. It's ER at its worst in space.

I've been thinking about all this lately, and it's begun to crystalize in my mind that modern mass media science fiction is very, very selfish. It's my generation wanting something fast and cheap.

Think about it -- when we were kids, why did we get into science fiction? Because there were shows like ST:TNG or movies like Star Wars that we could enjoy on our level while our parents loved them on another. Now we've grown up, we're in charge and what do we want? Sex, violence and language thrown in our face as quickly as possible to remind us we're *adults* now!

That, plus continuity - we want as much continuity as possible. If our modern shows aren't making us feal special for having watched them and read their novels and such then to heck with them! Look at Enterprise, look at the new Star Wars movies. We like to stroke our little beards and damn them for X, Y or Z reason... which are valid only in so far as the same vauge criticisms can be applied to any genre production ever ('plot', 'character development', etc.). In reality, the reason we damned them was because they're not the giant expanded continuity blob we made up for ourselves. No Romulans?! No Z-95 Headhunters? Well, after 25 years I suddenly care about dramatic concerns...!

We took over the game and we're running it into the ground. There's no next generation od kids playing with Battlestar Galactica action figures and dreaming about being Viper pilots... because Battlestar Galactica is a stupid useless make-you-feel-good-for-doing-nothing production that's symbolic of everything that's wrong with us.

Battlestar Galactica is about as subtle as a tonne of bricks... even in a literal sense, the characters are by no means the "complex" objects marketing would like you to insist to everyone -- Captain Adama and Girl President always make up eventually, tough woman fighter pilot and pretty boy fighter pilot will always be the heroes in the end, evil drunk XO never will be (unless they decide to kill him, when he'll go out in an equally generic blaze of glory that makes us all *think*!).

Battlestar Galactica deals with 'issues' (nay: the human condition! that sound intellectual in its vaugness!) in excatly the same manner as does an afternoon soap opera or an hour of 90210. The difference is that 90210 is lots of easy fun and you don't have to deal with insufferable 90210 fans insisting that the show is carefully crafting a brilliant symbol with its treatment of Dylan's father issues. Robots having sex, robots having abortions, robots arguing about religion are not clever issues and the discussion adds nothing to any of these topics - they're the same cheap, easy, common issues that every sagging drama in the universe brings out for sweeps. But here they're *in space*, so they're brilliant and subtle and clever!

Well yeah everytime I downluhhwatch a new episode I hope that Baltar would bang the cylon this time.

Also, why is Starbuck a girl now?? O_O

Because it's *so* edgy and new and neon.

Just to weigh in, the camera is supposed to be like that, on the dvds the audio commentry desribed it as a documentry style show- personally I love the camera, how it moves and zooms in at different places.

As far as Starbuck being a girl, whatever, I don't really care about that either way- as long as she and Lee don't hook up or anything.

Yeah, I know that, but even if it's supposed to be like that, you still have to get used to it ^.^ It would have been better if they had shaken the camera a BIT less.

Um, I'm pretty sure they've already hooked up several times.

Battlestar Galactica is one of the few shows on TV that I still bother to watch consistently. Aside from some of the recent episodes like the whole Scar thing that really went nowhere and added nothing to the plot, it's a pretty good SciFi series. From what little I've seen of the original series, this new one is worlds above that. My only hope is that if they ever find Earth it will not be a repeat of "Galactica 1980" and Boxy is never introduced into the crew. Ever.

The camera shaking I can deal with, it's the godforsaken uber-zoom in/zoom out that they pull every time they show an outside show of the galactica or some vipers.

The series is fine, though there's plenty to trash if you're so inclined.

Hey, this is one of my favorite shows right now and I have to strongly disagree with LeHah, because the "new" Battlestar Galactica is anything but generic. It's actually a very unique sci fi experience with just about the right mix of action, characters and in-depth story.

Sure, some scenes might come across as cheesy, but if you've followed the show from it's awesome, three hour (!) pilot movie all the way to the very finale of the second season, you grow attached to the characters and notice the subtleties involved in their decisions and trains of thoughts.

My favorite character is XO Tigh. That flashback episode with him and Adama was so well-down and funny.

I also grew used to the shaky and zoomy camera and I think it looks awesome for the space-shots.

I dunno, but to me, Tigh is the typical "I don't take a shower I don't shave I only want my booze" kind of guy. But yeah, he likes to be the asshole sometimes, and that's what I like about him ^.^

Actually, I don't see him being an asshole in recent episodes. He's pretty much a failure at life and he sort of knows this, making him the disgruntled negro errr... XO he is.

In depth my Irish ass. Name one thing in this show thats never been covered in another show.

You're just fucking stupid is all.

May I ask exactly how much BSG you've seen so far? (Seems like quite a load of it as you mentioned the abortion talk going on late in season 2).

I thought Season 1, including the miniseries, was excellent television. But as season 2 started to go off track more, and no season 1 questions were ever answered, I now find myself missing the Star Trek series (productions of new eps)...

I meant like, permanently, flings don't bother me- I wouldn't want Lee like in battle being worried about his love, or vice versa- that sort of thing.

The last few episodes did seem like fillers, cept the Captain’s Hand, loved that. Totally agree with the worlds above comment- this image really puts the 'oh we're all screwed' mentality to the show.

I didn’t even relize it but new episode tonight- man, new Battlestar, new Boondocks, new Samurai- Fridays are great- but that will end soon- season finales, season endings.

I'm a follower of the old show and was skeptical when they did the remake, but I have to say I am a total convert to the new series. I this show! It's pretty much got what I look for: action, hot women, humor, explosions, good story, and..uh..hot women. Not to mention its one of the only shows that can blindside me with a plot development. WOO SciFriday tonight!

True that Xerxes! Some fools just overanalyze everything, takes the sheer joy out of watching imho.

As much as I enjoy most sci-fi series, BSG has somehow managed to be quite boring for me. Maybe the story doesn't appeal to me, or maybe I dislike the army type people with cactus up their ass (thank mandatory Finnish army for that ^^).
Other than those, the serie has been the image of mediocrity after seeing 6-7 eps. Hope it gets better~

SUPER NEON BATTLESTAR GALACTICA 2003 - PART ONE
by Ron Moore

PROLOGUE


EXT. POORLY CGI'D SPACE STATION

(Note: Since actually showing anything remotely interesting on-screen is anathema to this production, all background information will be provided via onscreen text. No, really.}

Text: MANKIND INVENTED CYLONS. BUT CYLONS WERE EVIL AND BAD. THEN THERE WAS A WAR. LATER, THE CYLONS WENT AWAY AND EVERYONE FORGOT ABOUT THEM. A POORLY CGI'D SPACE STATION WAS SET UP TO MONITOR THE PEACE, BECAUSE ACTUALLY CHECKING ON THE EVIL WAR ROBOTS PROGRAMMED TO KILL US SEEMS LIKE TOO MUCH WORK. ALSO, IF THE CYLONS BLOW UP THE POORLY CGI'D SPACE STATION SET UP TO MONITOR THE PEACE, NO ONE WILL CARE AND THEY WILL STILL ACHIEVE A COMPLETE SURPRISE ATTACK.

INT. POORLY CGI'D SPACE STATION

ADMIRAL MOTTI
As a Battlestar Galactica fan, I sure love my folder of blueprints! Also, look at this picture of my kids! That humanizes me!

Enter SOME CYLONS

ADMIRAL MOTTI
I'm not especially interested in SOME CYLONS.

Enter A GIRL CYLON

ADMIRAL MOTTI
A GIRL CYLON! Lets have sex!

GIRL CYLON
Okay, because that makes sense. Also, we're blowing up the space station now. We just came over to the space station that we're in the process of blowing up to let you know that it's being blown up. And for some sex. During the blowing up.

EXT. POORLY CGI'D SPACE STATION

The POORLY CGI'D SPACE STATION *BLOWS UP*!


SCENE TWO


INT. BATTLESTAR GALACTICA HALLWAY

TOUR GUIDE
Originally, Battlestar Galactica was a midly entertaining ripoff of Star Wars, but now...

TOUGH GIRL PILOT
Make room! I'm a tough girl pilot! Take note of this!

FAT MEXICAN CAPTAIN
I hate technology, because of the Cylons are going to use it to destroy the world! I blame myself for my son dying! The president has breast cancer!


SCENE THREE


INT. BATTLESTAR GALACTICA POKER ROOM

TOUGH GIRL PILOT (Smoking a *CIGAR*! Because she's *TOUGH*!)
Poker? I just met her!

ANDROGYNOUS PILOT
Hah hah hah hah.

OTHER GIRL PILOT
I guess that's why they call you WHAT YOUR NAME IS.

TOUGH GIRL PILOT
And your skill for exposition is why they call you WHAT YOUR NAME IS.

ANDROGYNOUS PILOT
Hah hah hah hah.

TOUGH GIRL PILOT
All I did was sit in Lt. Cmdr. Chen's fighter!

HUNTER
She's a *PILGRIM*! You're under arrest!


SCENE FOUR


Text: "CAPRICORN ONE / CAPRICORN CITY / PLANET CAPRICORN / CAPRICORN SYSTEM / CAPRICORN GALAXY"

GIRL CYLON
I guess I didn't blow up afterall. Now I can have sex with Baltar.

BALTAR
Yay! Here are the command codes.

GIRL CYLON
But do you *love* me?

BALTAR
Sure.

GIRL CYLON
Hah hah, you love a robot.

BALTAR
Now, for a sexy, mature pun.

GIRL CYLON
I'm *HOT*! (GIRL CYLON GLOWS GLOWS RED HOT)


SCENE FIVE


EXT. CAPRICORN ONE MARKET

GIRL CYLON
We're going to destroy this entire planet with nuclear weapons! But people won't know I'm evil unless...

{ENTER - A BABY}

GIRL CYLON
... I kill A BABY!

(GIRL CYLON kills A BABY)


SCENE SIX


INT. BATTLESTAR GALACTICA BRIDGE

FAT MEXICAN CAPTAIN (giving a speech)
A lot of people have died on Battlestar Galactica, daggit. But the most important casuality... was my sons love for his father! I'm sorry, ENTIRELY NON MEXICAN SON, that I let you down in a matter entirely unrelated to the important decomissioning speech I'm giving!

MISTER OBUTU
Sir, Cylons are attacking the fleet! There's a huge battle going on! Thirty Battlestars have been destroyed!

FAT MEXICAN CAPTAIN
That sounds interesting! Can we see it?

MISTER OBUTU
No.


THE END

You're such a racist, Lehah.

First of all - LeHah, obviously you've seen the wrong show - it's not SUPER NEON BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, it's just Battlestar Galactica - that's probably why you hate it so much, I can understand with a script like that how it would make an awful show.

As for Battlestar Galactica, I love the show - it's been awhile since I've felt anger towards TV characters, and I'm not angry because they're acting poorly, but they fit thier characters perfectly (Tigh's wife is usually the focus of my hatred btw - followed by Tigh for always listening to is wife). I never did see the original series, but it's something that I plan on doing eventually. I've followed this season since it started showing on Space while I was still in residence (like three years ago). Sometimes it gets a tad cheesy with all the religious connections - but if you're able to see past that, it's an awesome show :)

LeHah, that gave me the first good laugh I've had in a week ;D If I had a cookie, I'd send you it. Believe me.

And you're a nigger. Don't blame me for being racist if your shitty, stupid God made me racist and you black. It wasn't my decision!

sarcasm

I'm sure its sarcasm. (<-- sarcasm)

You just don't understand the show. Where else are you going to find a nuked planet with minimal survivors running for their lives? And how the characters act is a lot more consistent with what we'd see in real life compared to how characters act in Star Trek shows. Not everyone should just be happy-go-lucky all the time. Plenty of characters are conflicted.

You go back to your comfortable TNG for the rest of your life, then, I don't give a shit.

(TNG still rules in any case, but at least I watch other shows).

I love watching shows where I have no idea what the fuck is going on, and maybe Starbuck is a Cylon, or that Asian chick is and she has false memories and this Cylon worships God, or doesn't? Also there's Bryant.

A Boy And His Dog, The Day After, On The Beach, Ikimono no kiroku (though thats more about the fear of nuclear destruction), the Mad Max series. To a lesser degree the Terminator series. Fucking shit, Godzilla is just a big-ass metaphor for that. Christ, I can cite EC comic books from the 50s that are "Post-Apocalypse" stories. And you're telling me that 50+ years of the genre and you decide theres something new to say? Harlan Ellison would probably scream at you worse than I am right now, you ignorant, unread, undereducated cocksucking fag-tagger.

There is nothing that is stated in Battlestar Galactica that is new or fresh or revolutionary. Everything in sci-fi has been done before by much better writers for the last century.

What a surprise -- the guy who thinks watching Battlestar Galactica makes him intelligent also thinks he's some kind of unique message board genius. None of what you've just said has anything to do with Battlestar Galactica. You're an angry teenager wailing out a personal attack because I dared make fun of your... television show? What the hell? Here, people, here is what is wrong with your fandom!

You thought this was the best way to make your point? No one can look at that mess and take it seriously.

You're no martyr, you're just a dumbass.

Look, you've been sold a cheap, thinly veiled peice of shit. Look at the original Star Trek's Vietnam episode... it's probably the most fair, most subtle mass media critique of the war... Battlestar Galactica isn't cutting a new path, it's stepping where everyone else has been while yelling that it's special at the top of its lungs.

Battlestar Galactica: Edgily tackling the most difficult religious issue: Greco-Roman Pantheon versus Judeochristian God! Take that, 23 AD!

You evidentally have a lot of anger problems. I am probably much older than you too [you called me a teen without even seeing my profile].
I'm not better anyone or think better of myself just because I watch BSG. I was simply trying to reply to your points by pointing out that conflicted characters are interesting and the plot is interesting. And ive never heard of those shows you just mentioned.

"Flaming is the act of posting messages that are deliberately hostile and insulting, usually in the social context of a discussion board."

I'm replying to points about the main subject. You are just resorting to attacks.

Ignoring the meaningless flames flaming around...

I kinda enjoy the new series. I too never watched the original series but who cares? The new one is simply awesome though I admit that the few beginning episodes in Season 1 were a bit boring, however from mid season 1 till now the show's momentum and depth just seems to keep kicking up.

Plus I think the soundtrack is fantastic. Works perfectly well with all the scenes and is just way cool.

I started watching the series in the middle of last month, and was caught up as of two weeks ago. Waiting a week for episodes is torture in its purest form. I do like Battlestar Galactica. Season 1 was great, I thought. but most of the middle of Season 2 has been weak, in my opinion. Though, two episodes ago was great, and now this, the season finale, is interesting though the cliffhanger of this two-parter wasn't too spectacular. I have no idea what to expect to happen in the finale, except death. Death is always good.

You morbid morbid fellow ahaha

Does someone pay you to do this? Or do you just find satisfaction in stating the obvious for the last 4 years I've been here, fucktard

I'm older than you by a year and seven months.

Then I suggest finding them, because, you know, Akira Kurosawa did some pretty fucking great movies. (I can't believe you've never heard of The Day After - that was the biggest TV movie of the Regan era)

Well, the easy answer is that it's because I am an intellectual in my everyday life. I'm sure you become similarly annoyed when you see people loading pigs onto trucks backwards.

I fail to see how you putting up a quote like that is going to make me rethink what I'm saying here. Truth be told queer-o, I've made many long, concise points that you've skipped over entirely because, you know, you don't have anything intelligent to say about the Judeochristian bullshit symbolism that BSG vomits out like a college student on spring break.

Heres a list of concise points you've never even answered to yet:

*"These things alone are not entirely bad, but Battlestar Galactica has also somehow managed to convince masses of fandom that incredibly generic things it does are somehow brilliant."

*"it's a very very generic drama that's set in space - it would still have had no clever commentary whatsoever."

*"Think about it -- when we were kids, why did we get into science fiction? Because there were shows like ST:TNG or movies like Star Wars that we could enjoy on our level while our parents loved them on another. Now we've grown up, we're in charge and what do we want? Sex, violence and language thrown in our face as quickly as possible to remind us we're *adults* now!"

*"Battlestar Galactica deals with 'issues' (nay: the human condition! that sound intellectual in its vaugness!) in excatly the same manner as does an afternoon soap opera or an hour of 90210. The difference is that 90210 is lots of easy fun and you don't have to deal with insufferable 90210 fans insisting that the show is carefully crafting a brilliant symbol with its treatment of Dylan's father issues. Robots having sex, robots having abortions, robots arguing about religion are not clever issues and the discussion adds nothing to any of these topics - they're the same cheap, easy, common issues that every sagging drama in the universe brings out for sweeps. But here they're *in space*, so they're brilliant and subtle and clever!"

*"None of what you've just said has anything to do with Battlestar Galactica. You're an angry teenager wailing out a personal attack because I dared make fun of your... television show? What the hell? Here, people, here is what is wrong with your fandom!"

How about you ditch the smarmy-ass attitude that I'm flaming when all you're doing is completely ignoring the obvious discussion I'm making.

To be fair, BSG is a generic sci-fi show. But then I don't watch it because it's supposed to be thought provoking or deep. I enjoy it because it's something to sit down and watch and enjoy.

Borg4258764, shut up. Not everything has a deep psychologic hidden meaning about how your mother didn't let you pet the cat as a child. Sometimes people hate things because they're stupid, pretentious, and annoying. Which pretty much sums up my personal feelings about you as a person pretty well.

Can we stop with the bashing and discuss the show already?

I thought the first part of the season finale was awesome. Oh, I'm not going to put this into spoiler tags, so if you haven't seen the latest episode already, just don't read this.

The presidential election will actually be a lot more interesting with the discovery of a habitable planet and I didn't quite understand that Roslin and Adama are so opposed to the idea of permanent settlement. Why didn't anyone come up with the idea to split the group of survivors to increase their chances of not being hunted down by the Cylons?

Also, this "priest" who was talking to the chief was hilarious:

"How do you know I'm not a Cylon?"
- "Oh maybe I am and I know because I haven't seen you at the meetings."

Besides, did he actually kill Cally or what? Either I missed the information or they intentionally leave you in the dark about this. In any way, the fear of being a Cylon and not knowing it is an interesting idea and I wonder why I didn't care about this earlier or why they haven't brought it up until now.

I'm also starting to guess what the third season will be about. Maybe they actually decide to settle on this planet and we get to witness the building of a new colony. There's a lot of room for speculation and I'm definately looking forward to the things to come ...

When the priest mentioned that the Chief should go back to work, the Chief said he was afraid of facing the deck crew and especially Cally again, so I think she made it.

There's no way they could actually settle on that planet. The nebula might provide concealment, but all it would take is one Cylon agent to leave the planet and go tell the other Cylons. The settlement would be vulnerable, no matter what they do.

Changing the subject, does it bother anyone else that at the end of the opening credits, a bunch of images from the upcoming episode flash by? Why would anyone want to see spoilers like that?

Yeah, this has been bothering me forever. It's actually nice of them to add a different music to these spoiler scenes, so you can easily ignore them.

I thought these flashy episode previews were quite common with American shows, though.

There's another thing I'd like to add in regard to the last episode: I loved the suspenseful music that was accompanying the first half; I heard that Philip Glass was doing some music for the show, so I'd like to hear more about that.

And thats perfectly fine. The problem is when someone thinks theres brilliant subtext - when there actually isn't any subtext at all.

Yeah, we can't disagree about anything if it pisses someone else off! (Get bent)

I can't think of another show that airs clips from the episode in the intro. There have been shows in the past that air clips before the commercial breaks, but they still don't give anything away (they just show what you knew was going to happen anyway). At the beginning of this season, the first one or two episodes didn't have the clips, and I thought they'd come to their senses.

I think you got your wires crossed. If you remember back to the start of the season (2nd episode, i think), when Starbuck's in her old apartment and plays music she says was by her father - that piece was actually by Glass. It's called Metamorphosis One and it's from the album Solo Piano.

It's just a throwback to shows like Thunderbirds and Space: 1999 (the main inspiration for it, according to Moore) that did the same thing. Even the original BSG did it. I don't see it as particularly spoilerific, since there's no context as to what is going on and why, but I can see why people might find it annoying.

As for this week's ep, I found it kind of lacklustre. There were some great moments - like Roslin cracking up during the teaser - and Dean Stockwell was great in his scenes with the Chief, but the political stuff was too obvious and the Caprica rescue mission was ridiculous. I couldn't see Adama risking 20 raptors and who-knows-how-many men for what seemed like 20 civies, in the end; and I couldn't care less whether Anders was alive. The episode just stopping didn't help matters any, either. Guess the real payoff will be next week.

:p. Ok, perhaps the revealing of another cylon model. We know.. 5 right now? Out of 12? Or maybe, revelation + death. Ohh, ultimate combo. My limitless creativity flatters me.

Who are you?

I'm guessing he's yet another person who's tired of your whining.

I absolutely hate it! I close my eyes or go make something to eat or drink until the music stops so not to be spoiled one bit. I wish they'd just stop doing that.

I'm with you there. It was kind of lackluster but I still enjoyed it. I really liked the music when they were preparing for the debate. I frakking hate it when episodes just come to end like that and leave you hanging; kind of like the season finale of the first season...talk about a cliffhanger. But I guess that's what makes it good too.

So I join the thread by saying that season 1 is great, get flamed & attacked for that opinion, and point out the obvious that I'm being flamed. It wasn't whining but it was constructive criticism that people need to lighten up because it is just a TV show. I will reply to LeHah's points in a moment.

Yeah, it's everyone else's fault. Christ, stop it. You're running this thread into the ground and its left you behind already.

6 out of 12, so far.

Yeah, that music was really good. Which reminds me: for anyone who likes the music in BSG, here's a few of the tracks that'll be on the next soundtrack CD: link-oh.

1. Point 1, agreed. There is plenty of Judeochristian type crap and I am not at all a religious person. But I watch the show for different reasons. I could care less if they are religious people and a lot of symbols in the show are religious. It's not real life. It's a show.

2. Which generic things? Examples?

3. Commentary from whom? Explain this point.

4. BSG isn't about sex or having sex. The show also is not about sex robots for the purpose of doing such a thing. Who cares if there have been some minimal "sex" scenes. Sex is apart of real life, as it is for people in the show.
What is wrong with this "violence" thing you speak of? Every Sci Fi is violent in some fashion. What parts in what eps are violent but unnecessarily so?

5. The issues on BSG are done differently than real life because there are conscious robots in the show. If you didn't like the idea of thinking robots from the beginning why in the HELL would you watch any episodes? I hate when people are hypocrits and who hate the entire concept but have still seen a good share (or all) of the show. I mean, it is clear you've seen a nice share of it because you mentioned the abortion thing, and other aspects. When I tried out "LOST" and realized I hated it, I deleted it immediately and will never watch it again. Your curiosity is getting the better of you and there is some part of you that likes something in it.
I, for one, don't care about the issues as much as the main plot of trying to look for Earth. That's why season 2 has been so weak for me, and I have been missing the Trek series as of late. I thought season 1 was perfect, and on track. So I don't like the show as much as you think I do.

6. It's not "my" TV show. I like many more better. As I said, season 2 has been pretty weak to me. Honestly, how did you like season 1? Season 2?

Im really hoping for a real reply but expect "cock sucker, queer, and fag" instead, as your demeanor tells me that is more likely to happen. :(

What started out as amusing in the 70s became a heavy-handed plot point in Super Neon BSG. Its it's attempt to feign "heavy" issues by adding nonsense religious crap to a thinly veiled show.

I stated this previously: "Robots having sex, robots having abortions, robots arguing about religion are not clever issues and the discussion adds nothing to any of these topics - they're the same cheap, easy, common issues that every sagging drama in the universe brings out for sweeps. But here they're *in space*, so they're brilliant and subtle and clever!"

Not from whom, from the show. Theres nothing interesting or new or fresh. It's the same house with new paint slapped on. People were sold the same nonsense with Firefly - is anyone else aware that River Tam is the most horribly overt peice of exposition put to sci-fi television? - but the fact of the matter is that everything BSG tackles has been covered in 90210. In fact, 90210 is more accessible because we have never lived on a space station or met humanoid robots. But because the show has humanoid robots having sex with people and space abortions and big explosions, it's suddenly a MAJOR INTELLECTUAL EVENT when it isn't.

Again, an earlier statement of mine: "Like all these things, Battlestar Galactica is about as subtle as a tonne of bricks... even in a literal sense, the characters are by no means the "complex" objects marketing would like you to insist to everyone -- Captain Adama and Girl President always make up eventually, tough woman fighter pilot and pretty boy fighter pilot will always be the heroes in the end, evil drunk XO never will be (unless they decide to kill him, when he'll go out in an equally generic blaze of glory that makes us all *think*!)."

I disagree. We don't need sex in sci-fi, per se. We went without it for years and years and years. The fact that they're putting it in so readily now is just a cheap selling point to bring in viewers and to give nerds a hardon for nerd sci-fi actresses. See, we as a generation have fucked ourselves into a ground with this crap. It use to be that we enjoyed Star Wars as a kid because of its effects and its adventure while our parents could appreciate it as something more than that. Now that we're older, we need to be coddled into being reminded that now that we're adults - sex! drugs! robot abortions! We're ruining the genre by making it all about selling points and nothing about plot. We're watching "Gone In 60 Seconds" when we should be renting "Bullit".

Been done MANY, MANY time before by MANY, MANY better writers. Off the top of my head, I can think of the original Outer Limits doing an Adam Link episode in Season 2. That predates this crap by, what, about 40 years?

The idea of robots do not bother me.

The idea of robots having sex and killing babies and attacking stations for no reasonable explaination bothers me. You realize - they could've sold this series without it being a slap-dash sequel to the original BSG, right? It could've been called "Station 3232" or "Attack Force 4L" or "Whats Happenin'? The Next Generation" and it would've sold.

I also watch the show so I know what I'm talking about. I don't jump into arguements without knowing something about the subject, just like I don't go hunting without a rifle.



As opposed to you - who makes no clear or discernable arguement, point, counterpoint, thought, idea, inkling or theory about anything in this thread? You basicly just take your time to say "no, you're wrong" and leave it at that. That shit doesn't work on me - you're just making yourself seem more of an ass. RoboJesus and one of the mods already pointed that out.


I do not watch Lost. So I do not make posts in threads dealing with Lost.

You want to like BSG? Thats fine - ain't my problem. I like stuff that other people hate. But I don't put on airs and say its important or intelligent or brilliant. If that show adds something to how you think, you're uneducated - and I mean that in the most lowly sense of the word. The day television teaches you something, I want you to shoot yourself.


I hate the show. But then, I also hate George Bush - but that does not stop me from watching the news, does it? I need to know what he's doing in order to have a right to complain - as opposed to college students or antiwar protesters.

You've only proven my point. BSG is loaded down with morons who cannot come to a clear concise point of defense in which to bolster themselves on.

Thanks man! I like most of the music in this serie. I also liked the music they played when adama was going to stage that assasination on that Pegasus bitch(and she on him).

That's why the season finale is a two-part episode. ;-)

I liked a lot of the music from Season 2 as well. I can't wait for this season's soundtrack to be released. I can't pinpoint the scenes which had music I like, I just remember often stating, "That's cool."

Thanks for the good tunes. Galactica Attacks was the best of the six in that zip. I love the war drums at the end of it. Anybody here have the season 1 companion book? I picked it up not too long ago and it is definitely worth the money(like 14 bucks). It gives you a lot of cool info on the episodes, inside jokes, etc. It also gives the lyrics to the song Battlestar Operatica which goes something like this:

Woe upon your Cylon heart
There’s a toaster in your head
And it wears high heels

Number Six calls to you
The Cylon Detector beckons
Your girlfriend is a toaster

Woe upon your Cylon heart
Alas, disgrace! Alas, sadness and misery!

The toaster has a pretty dress
Red like its glowing spine
Number Six whispers
By your command

Good shit. hahahah. Can't wait until Friday.

Yes friday will also be kinda sad though, for we'll have to wait a long time for any new BG eps on the tv/ internet (for my part).

I actually agree with you, LeHah, more than you think I do.
As I said, I like the show a whole lot more when they aren't dealing with issues that I don't really care about as much. In fact, I'm starting to get irritated more and more that they aren't giving the viewers answers to questions. Why does Baltar see that woman in his head? Why do the Cylons want all Humans dead in the first place? Stuff like this is what I care about most, and since stuff like this isn't being answered, I am starting to miss new things Trek.

But I thought season 1 was exemplary because in the first episode they had to run the hell away for their lives, next they had to find water (which directly related to the survival aspect of the show), next Starbuck needs to train new pilots (which directly relates to the survival aspect of the show), next they are trying to find possible Cylons on the ship (reminds me of DS9's changeling plots), next Starbuck is interrogating a Cylon, next they have a fuel shortage, and finally it is government set-up time and a possible way to find Earth.

If you want to argue with me about season 1, which aspects (and which episode or scene) did you dislike? Please, no "Because of the sex robots" crap. You can both have pretty women acting in a show, with minimal sex scenes, and at the very same time some of the best plotlines ever. Season 1 succeeded in that. [I could care less about seeing this aspect in BSG, but I hated seeing it in Enterprise because that is not what the Trek universe should be about].

Finally, do you watch BSG to be entertained, or do you watch it so you can come here and complain at how bad it is (or talk to anyone at anytime at how bad it is)? (You can admit the latter if you want, it is your life and you can watch TV however you want).

Thankyou!

The sample tracks are simply awesome :) Really can't wait to hear the whole season 2 soundtrack.

WTF, we have to wait until October to get a resolution? That bites.

Damn I hate Cliff-hanging Season finales! What are they going to do =P

Man that finale was totally frakked up! I was yelling at the tv by its end. Dammit, I don't want to wait for October! The SG-1 finale was pretty rockin' too.

Let's all just pray that Adama shaves his moustache off again by October.

My mother is really into the new series, mainly because she watched the old ones when she was a kid. I have watched a few episodes of the new series, and I can see how people can get into it, but Sci-Fi isn't the same for me than it used too.

The mustache is cool. Boogie Nights Adama is better than Old Man Adama any day.

Some of these messages need spoiler tags.

What do you mean "what are they going to do =P" I mean it's totally obvious that they won't accept status quo.

Also, what's the hype about the last episode? It was awful, the only good thing was seeing Starbuck with long hair :dopey_love:

I agree. I really like the actor they got to play the priest.

You know what's the worst part of it all?


I was pissed beyond belief.

And DAMN did the show's finale end in unexpected territory. By the end I knew would happen, but the way it did...just...wow...totally threw me for a loop.

Finally got around to watching it.

Yeah, the ending of the finale was ridiculous, since I was pretty much uninterested with the first two-thirds of it. Gotta love the moustache.