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FatsDomino May 9, 2006 03:53 AM

Nintendo Press Conference (discussion and live stream)
 
Alright the big event we've waited 2 years for is finally here. Nintendo will be unleashing the big guns and hopefully it'll deliver that revolution it promised with Wii. I do hope we'll all be saying "wow" and I do hope Reggie makes some comments on Sony's conference (in case he doesn't please click here). Don't forget we also have Zelda and the DS and any other surprises to look forward to.

So here's what's going to happen. 9:30 AM PST and 12:30 EST you can tune in for free to Gamespot's live feed which will undoubtedly be a little behind schedule but be ready to watch it then just in case it is on time.

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/738...rbounce9wn.gif http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3live.html http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/139...alogfun0yg.gif


Again just like last time, be warned that if you fag this thread up like the former Revolution threads then you will be banned from this thread and perhaps for a week or two from Mario's Warp Room or all of the gaming forums. I will stomp out any childish behavior just like I did in the PS3 Press Conference thread. So basically behave in this thread or else.

This is the Nintendo Press Conference thread for discussion of all things related and/or occurring in said conference. The main focus will of course be Wii but discussion of any surprises or DS or Zelda or anything else covered are fair game in here too. I may close this thread and open a purely Nintendo Wii (or just Wii - I forget if it's officially just called Wii) thread a day or so after the conference is over. It too will have the same rules as this one. Anything unrelated either has a thread already (DS and Zelda) or will be created if it doesn't fall into either and has enough concrete details.

Link to prior Revolution/Wii thread for time piecing.

Enjoy the Nintendo Press Conference and what not and please, play nice.

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TheReverend May 9, 2006 10:16 AM

Who else is gonna be hear to watch the show live?

I am and I pumped & hopeful for this conference. Don't let us down Nintendo.

(judging from the Zelda: TP thread, I don't think they will...)

Infernal Monkey May 9, 2006 10:17 AM

I'll be here.~ So close. SO CLOSE. If there's no Pilotwings game, I'll cry. A secret manly tear.
Can't wait to see all the Iwata photos this years conference will spawn!

chaofan May 9, 2006 10:18 AM

Kid Icarus!!!

Actually, I've never played the game, but what better way to introduce him to me by giving the guy a "New" generation facelift!

Shonos May 9, 2006 10:29 AM

I'll be watching it live, barely. I'll have to juggle work as I watch. Kinna wish it wasn't so early but I'm selfish and cranky. (lol @ getting up at 6am to be up for this ; ; )

I just hope Nintendo doesn't let people down. Things look good so far. Please dont screw it up.

nabhan May 9, 2006 10:32 AM

I didn't even know this was going on today, but I figure if I'm home sick doing nothing I might as well. It's pretty much a defining moment for Nintendo, because a sloppy presentation right after the PS3's could, well.

Kilroy May 9, 2006 10:39 AM

As far as I know, the conference takes place at 9 PM where I'm living, so sure I'm watching it. (I saw it last year, and that made me laugh.)
Anyways, it'll be interesting to see what they can pull off. If oly they are hiding Reggie a bit like last year.

rockthepartay May 9, 2006 10:40 AM

Nintendo has taken such a huge risk with Wii that they really can not mess up either today or when Wii is finally released.

If they do, then 5 years from now I'm really going to enjoy playing Mario games on the PS3 much like I enjoy playing Sega games on the Gamecube.

VermillionFF7 May 9, 2006 10:41 AM

50 minutes left, as of now.

I'll be watching the live feed at EDIT: beaten by Acer

Infernal Monkey May 9, 2006 10:44 AM

I'm surprised GameSpot's stream has already started. I mean, it's just a logo and some doof doof, but hey. HEY HEY. Navi confirmed for Wii.

Grawl May 9, 2006 10:44 AM

Thanks for giving up almost the same link as in the first post.

I'll be watching this I guess. How long will it run?

edit: the stream has SUPAR KEWL musics.

MeTaL_oRgY May 9, 2006 10:48 AM

I'm here too. Damn, I'm so eager to see what Nintendo has to offer. I want to see the Zelda for Wii game they are talking about (not Twilight Princess with Wii compatibility, but a brand new Zelda for Wii) and some DS titles. Also, I believe there is a "surprise" they have yet to reveal... so yeah, I'm expecting a pretty interesting conference. :)

NovaX May 9, 2006 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infernal Monkey
I'll be here.~ So close. SO CLOSE. If there's no Pilotwings game, I'll cry. A secret manly tear.
Can't wait to see all the Iwata photos this years conference will spawn!

I will cry also. In unison!

chaofan May 9, 2006 10:49 AM

My first live-feed viewing. Awww....

Thank god I'm in Uni now. I have class at 1pm tomorrow!!! Gives me the perfect excuse to stay up to 3am ^_^.

FatsDomino May 9, 2006 10:50 AM

Haha yay for testing signal and Nintendo logo smashed together accompanied by muzacks! ='D

I'm gonna go out and grab some quick lunch before this thing starts. Be back in a bit guyz.

chaofan May 9, 2006 10:52 AM

ZOMG waited one year for this damn day.

Wiiva la Revolution!!!

Zelda TP, DS games, Wii info and some more name-taking and ass-kicking.

Newbie1234 May 9, 2006 10:53 AM

I can't wait! This may be Nintendo's chance to go back to the SNES glory days.

chaofan May 9, 2006 10:56 AM

Seeing how underwhelming the Sony conference was, I think there's a chance I might convert to fanboyism!!!

Seriously, screw this being unbiased gamer thing. If Nintendo steal the show and then dominate the market by the end of next year then I'll go fanboy (like back in the SNES days).

WIIII!!!!

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 10:56 AM

Meeting got out in good time for me to sit here and enjoy the revolution with you guys. FUCKING PUMPED!!

RushJet1 May 9, 2006 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeTaL_oRgY
I'm here too. Damn, I'm so eager to see what Nintendo has to offer. I want to see the Zelda for Wii game they are talking about (not Twilight Princess with Wii compatibility, but a brand new Zelda for Wii) and some DS titles. Also, I believe there is a "surprise" they have yet to reveal... so yeah, I'm expecting a pretty interesting conference. :)

maybe it's that the nunchuck has tilt sensitivity.

ign seems pretty set that the nunchuck DOES have tilt but i don't know if that's the secret.

chaofan May 9, 2006 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RushJet1
maybe it's that the nunchuck has tilt sensitivity.

ign seems pretty set that the nunchuck DOES have tilt but i don't know if that's the secret.

Does the Wiimote even NEED tilt?

I thought the gyroscopic technology dealt with that.

WraithTwo May 9, 2006 11:01 AM

I'm here as well, and although I'm seriously pumped for this, Sony's craptastic showing has given me not only hope for Wii, but also a fear that they might fuck up just as badly. Either way, should be interesting.

- WraithTwo -

Ryunam May 9, 2006 11:02 AM

I'm anxiously anticipating the feed, as well.
Can't wait to see what peculiar surprises Nintendo is going to demonstrate today.

I bet they have quite a lot of winning cards up their sleeve.

MeTaL_oRgY May 9, 2006 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RushJet1
maybe it's that the nunchuck has tilt sensitivity.

ign seems pretty set that the nunchuck DOES have tilt but i don't know if that's the secret.

Could be... but I'm expecting something more ZOOMGGG!!!!!-ish... like...

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8...control8fn.jpg

chaofan May 9, 2006 11:03 AM

Reckon Microsoft will have a good presentation? Yeh, they've got less elements of surprise now but you never know...

They were basically laughing manically after Sony's conference.

Lukage May 9, 2006 11:04 AM

I hurried out of my final to come home....BAITED BREATH!

Double Post:
I seriously thought last night:

What does Reggie do to prep for this? Does he sit in his room and play SNES? Does he take cardboard cutouts of Master Chief and Snake and rip their groins out?

Maybe they have a Wii Rave Party!

NovaX May 9, 2006 11:07 AM

LOL, I can see chaofan posting every second post for the next 4 pages.

chaofan May 9, 2006 11:08 AM

Give me news on Mario 128!!! What ever happened to the hype for that game?

EDIT: Damn straight NovaX. First time watching live-feed :biggrin:

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 11:08 AM

All I want to see is Reggie enter the stage on a motorcycle tugging a PS3 behind it.

I couldnt care less about the Wii if I saw that :D

WraithTwo May 9, 2006 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaofan
Reckon Microsoft will have a good presentation? Yeh, they've got less elements of surprise now but you never know...

They were basically laughing manically after Sony's conference.

Yeah, I'm now REALLY interested in how Microsoft reacts to the Sony conference.

Nintendo's reaction should be interesting, if not a little obvious as well.

- WraithTwo -

Ryunam May 9, 2006 11:10 AM

What I anticipate the most is some in-depth information concerning launch titles for the Wii. Though I expect Twilight Princess footage to dominate the speech, once again.

Because, really, this game aims to be simply awesome.

Infernal Monkey May 9, 2006 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukage

What does Reggie do to prep for this? Does he sit in his room and play SNES? Does he take cardboard cutouts of Master Chief and Snake and rip their groins out?

Maybe they have a Wii Rave Party!

Reggie sneaks into the E3 supply room the day before to take all the name (tags), when everyone complains, he kicks them right into outta space. Then he goes and plays a few rounds of Smash Bros, as Donkey Kong. He wins simply with DK's taunt. Somehow. Nobody dares question his mystery winning ways.

MeTaL_oRgY May 9, 2006 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaofan
Reckon Microsoft will have a good presentation? Yeh, they've got less elements of surprise now but you never know...

They were basically laughing manically after Sony's conference.

Could someone please explain me Why do people keep saying Sony's conference was so bad? I think it's quite good. I actually liked everything except from a few games (I dislike Sport games, mostly), the controller thing and the price. Everything else was quite good in my opinion.

Still, Wii seems to be the most entertaining of them all...

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 11:13 AM

http://img260.echo.cx/img260/3651/reggie14ew.jpg

chaofan May 9, 2006 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeTaL_oRgY
Could someone please explain me Why do people keep saying Sony's conference was so bad? I think it's quite good. I actually liked everything except from a few games (I dislike Sport games, mostly), the controller thing and the price. Everything else was quite good in my opinion.

Still, Wii seems to be the most entertaining of them all...

Some of the things they announced weren't taken to well by many. Price, conservative approach to controller, (unnecessary?) tilt-function etc.

Plus there wasn't a fountain of games to drool over or have wet-dreams about. Or something like that ^_^.

MeTaL_oRgY May 9, 2006 11:14 AM

http://www.joystiq.com/media/2006/05/DSC_2511.JPG

Soon... very soon. :)

Quote:

Plus there wasn't a fountain of games to drool over or have wet-dreams about. Or something like that ^_^.
Well... eight days seemed quite good to me.. also FFXIII and MGS4... with some other titles.. I don't know, it doesn't seem THAT bad.

Solis May 9, 2006 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaofan
Seeing how underwhelming the Sony conference was, I think there's a chance I might convert to fanboyism!!!

Seriously, screw this being unbiased gamer thing. If Nintendo steal the show and then dominate the market by the end of next year then I'll go fanboy (like back in the SNES days).

WIIII!!!!

Well, what other console stuff have they been working on for the last 2 years? They should have a lot saved up by now, it won't be hard for them to to have more at this E3 than the other companies have (especially since about the only major stuff they had on the console side at the last 2 E3s was Twilight Princess...which is now for the Wii, go figure).

WraithTwo May 9, 2006 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeTaL_oRgY
Could someone please explain me Why do people keep saying Sony's conference was so bad? I think it's quite good. I actually liked everything except from a few games (I dislike Sport games, mostly), the controller thing and the price. Everything else was quite good in my opinion.

Still, Wii seems to be the most entertaining of them all...

Its just that the games looked even worse than most expected (I expected games worse than last years footage, but not to this extent). However, that's not even a huge deal. The biggest problem is that the controller, pricing and seperate package deal was just THAT. BAD.

Even if those were the "only" things wrong with the conference (and they basically were), that's more than enough.

- WraithTwo -

EDIT: As far as games, what's everyone looking forward to? Personally, MP3, Smash, and hopefully announced Metroid 5 and/or Smash for the DS.

SketchTheArtist May 9, 2006 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprouticus

:biggrin:

That made my day!

But yeah, if they could give a little of the old elbow at Sony, just for a second I'll be happy.

What I'm waiting for is the price, release dates, the secret (which will probably be speakers on the Wiimote), Pilotwings 64 and many others.

I just hope Miyamoto doesn't show up again with Link's sword and shield. God was that embarassing.

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 11:20 AM

Honestly, Nintendo can probably do no wrong after the shitshow last night with Sony. It doesn't help that the conference itself sucked, but NOBODY was into it in the audience. There was a laugh and golf clap when Ken pulled out the Dual Shock 3, and a deafening silence follwed by murmurs after the price.

The press hated it just as much as everyone else did.

MeTaL_oRgY May 9, 2006 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist
I just hope Miyamoto doesn't show up again with Link's sword and shield. God was that embarassing.

Hahaha, I'm expecting him to dress as Zelda (yes, not Link)... that'd be hilarous. :biggrin:

chaofan May 9, 2006 11:24 AM

Hang in there guys!!! (actually, this applies to me more. Gotta stay calm!!!)

Nay for Miyamoto in Zelda dress!!! Dude noooooooo!!!

Ryunam May 9, 2006 11:24 AM

Sony's conference suffered from a serious lack of compelling innovations.

On the contrary, I hope Nintendo shows off its distinctive traits: good emphasis on the impact of the Wii system, concrete demonstrations of forthcoming games (like Nibris' Sadness, yet to be seen in any form), new surprises and relieving details on the price.

SketchTheArtist May 9, 2006 11:24 AM

I like the fact that Nintendo didn't really released footage or pictures for the games. At least, not much and some of it looked like beefed up GameCube graphics which was what they predicted.

So they won't pull 'Fake Footage' stuff like Sony and deceive millions.

Infernal Monkey May 9, 2006 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaofan

Nay for Miyamoto in Zelda dress!!! Dude noooooooo!!!

SSSHHH, that's the big new secret behind Zelda Twilight Princess ruined. :(

chaofan May 9, 2006 11:26 AM

Testing screen is gone. No more posts for me until after *i promise*!!!

Solis May 9, 2006 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprouticus
Honestly, Nintendo can probably do no wrong after the shitshow last night with Sony. It doesn't help that the conference itself sucked, but NOBODY was into it in the audience. There was a laugh and golf clap when Ken pulled out the Dual Shock 3, and a deafening silence follwed by murmurs after the price.

Ugh...I just remembered how terrible it is trying to watch a Nintendo conference. I saved that video of Twilight Princess being revealed just because it was funny seeing the croud's reaction. I hope we can hear Miyamoto in this one over the people screaming "WOOOOOO!" and "YOU DA MAN!".

Edit: where is going to be a good place to get full resolution (640x480) direct feed footage of the games they'll show? Would Gametrailers.com have them? Streaming makes everything look like crap, after it's done I'll probably want to go through and grab videos of all the games that looked interesting.

MeTaL_oRgY May 9, 2006 11:26 AM

http://www.joystiq.com/media/2006/05/DSC_2510.JPG

It looks nice... 3 or so minutes more!

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 11:26 AM

No more color bars on the feed... Almost time!!

WraithTwo May 9, 2006 11:27 AM

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/705/705854p1.html

Hands on Red Steel impressions.

Read. Now.

- WraithTwo -

rpgcrazied May 9, 2006 11:28 AM

im gonna watch! lookin at the nintendo logo, with the dance track goin

Ryunam May 9, 2006 11:29 AM

Exactly. Nothing concrete has been released so far from a graphical point of view (except some pretty vague Red Steel screens, if I recall well).

I have yet to perceive the actual visual capabilities of the system. Not that it's essential, but some proper assurement of its quality would do no harm.

Syndrome May 9, 2006 11:29 AM

It's 1 minute left, and I so need to take a shit right now.
G'damn. NOT NOW :(

The Plane Is A Tiger May 9, 2006 11:31 AM

Damn, the Nintendo conference is starting just as I have to leave for the rest of the day. ;__;

Grawl May 9, 2006 11:31 AM

What is all the static in the background? >=O

SketchTheArtist May 9, 2006 11:31 AM

Start damn it!!

Prime Blue May 9, 2006 11:32 AM

Is that background noise (that constant "Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaart") part of the song?

Infernal Monkey May 9, 2006 11:32 AM

Nup, the background buzz has been going forever.

rpgcrazied May 9, 2006 11:32 AM

Yea, i think its part of the song

TheReverend May 9, 2006 11:32 AM

Quick Prediction.....

I was just washing dishes for a half hour and during this time I had a revelation. What game was one of the biggest of last year that we have not heard a whisper about?

Resident Evil.

Oh, and if you remember, there was no RE yesterday at the Sony conference. Which means only two choices remain. 1) Capcom is in bed with the Xbox 360, or 2) Capcom is in bed with Nintendo's Wii.....

Prediction = RE5 will be seen in the next hour

Grawl May 9, 2006 11:33 AM

Good, someone else noticed the static.

Prime Blue May 9, 2006 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infernal Monkey
Nup, the background buzz has been going forever.

Hm... Maybe it'll be fixed when the conference begins. I seriously hope so. You know that sound in your head after listening to THAT sound for one and a half hours?

SketchTheArtist May 9, 2006 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayvon
Quick Prediction.....

I was just washing dishes for a half hour and during this time I had a revelation. What game was one of the biggest of last year that we have not heard a whisper about?

Resident Evil.

Oh, and if you remember, there was no RE yesterday at the Sony conference. Which means only two choices remain. 1) Capcom is in bed with the Xbox 360, or 2) Capcom is in bed with Nintendo's Wii.....

Prediction = RE5 will be seen in the next hour


Sony mentioned Resident Evil last night.

Cobalt Katze May 9, 2006 11:34 AM

I keep getting "Buffering" and then "Ready" and then "Stopped". Auuugh, work!

map car man words telling me to do things May 9, 2006 11:35 AM

It feels like the background noise is getting louder :(

At least the dance music choices are pretty good. It would be just AWFUL if you had to sit and wait with horrible music to boot.

Prime Blue May 9, 2006 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobalt Katze
I keep getting "Buffering" and then "Ready" and then "Stopped". Auuugh, work!

You can try to close the window and re-open it through Gamespot's E3 Live site. That worked for me yesterday. :)

Malmer May 9, 2006 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WraithTwo
http://revolution.ign.com/articles/705/705854p1.html

Hands on Red Steel impressions.

Read. Now.

- WraithTwo -

Thanks a LOT! No better way to kill time the last half hour than this!
Almost done downloading the trailer, getting ill, downloading, stress, anxiety.... x__x

EDIT: WIII TIME!!

Matt May 9, 2006 11:36 AM

It's 9:36 pst, why isn't this shit on yet? :( :( :(

MeTaL_oRgY May 9, 2006 11:36 AM

The background buzzzz is louder than the music. :(

Grawl May 9, 2006 11:36 AM

It started~~~~

SketchTheArtist May 9, 2006 11:36 AM

IT'S STARTING!!!!

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 11:36 AM

YEAAAH!

Matt May 9, 2006 11:36 AM

OMG n/m

I mean to say, bout time. Damn.

FatsDomino May 9, 2006 11:36 AM

IT'S http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5...ceblack4mq.gif

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7...cegreen2jt.gif STARTING

NOW http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3...uncered5xx.gif

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3...ncegrey6nm.gif GUYS!! =D

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/994...ncewave5fo.gif

cubed May 9, 2006 11:36 AM

yay !! it's starting!

Cobalt Katze May 9, 2006 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prime Blue
You can try to close the window and re-open it through Gamespot's E3 Live site. That worked for me yesterday. :)

I've been doing this for 15 minutes, no dice :eyebrow:

Newbie1234 May 9, 2006 11:37 AM

Yay! Here we go!

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 11:37 AM

Oh that looks pretty neat. Orchestra Hero anyone?

Newbie1234 May 9, 2006 11:37 AM

LOL, this is dumb.

Grawl May 9, 2006 11:38 AM

One time is enough guys >=O I win ok?

MeTaL_oRgY May 9, 2006 11:38 AM

THAT THING IS AWESOME STUFF!! I <3 Wiimote!

Grawl May 9, 2006 11:38 AM

Controller to control a car <3

Lukage May 9, 2006 11:39 AM

Acer didn't change his name...why can he see and not me?

Shonos May 9, 2006 11:39 AM

Holy shit that sword wielding kicks ass.

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 11:39 AM

They're wasting no time with the gameplay footage. Looks pretty damn good!

Newbie1234 May 9, 2006 11:39 AM

Nice, he's playing!

Infernal Monkey May 9, 2006 11:39 AM

Holy shit, that racing game looked fucking fantastic. =o

cubed May 9, 2006 11:39 AM

That intro is the best ever.

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 11:39 AM

REGGGGGGIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

Newbie1234 May 9, 2006 11:39 AM

Oh YES! REGGIE!!!!!!!!!!:biggrin: :biggrin:

Cobalt Katze May 9, 2006 11:41 AM

Still can't connect, augh...

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 11:42 AM

MARIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Grawl May 9, 2006 11:42 AM

The new Mario game looks cool enough.

Matt May 9, 2006 11:42 AM

OMG SPEAKER IN WIIMOTE HOW COOL

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 11:43 AM

PILOTWINGS!!!! METROID!!!!!!!!!

JESUS CHRIST THE AWESOMENESS DOESNT STOP!

Newbie1234 May 9, 2006 11:43 AM

Graphics definitely aren't impressive though.

Kilroy May 9, 2006 11:43 AM

Mario with magnetic boots? I'll buy that for 60 bucks if I had to!

rpgcrazied May 9, 2006 11:44 AM

They said, they arent a power house machine.. so what? its the games

Shonos May 9, 2006 11:46 AM

I didn't think the controller would be that great. I think this proved me wrong. Alot of that looks really fun. Especially the sword/racing parts.

The graphics are not great, sure.. but playing it looks enjoyable.

MeTaL_oRgY May 9, 2006 11:46 AM

Ok, that presentation was fucking awesome. GO NINTENDO!

Ryunam May 9, 2006 11:48 AM

I want that new Mario.

NOW.

RushJet1 May 9, 2006 11:48 AM

that was awesome. reggie talking is funny.. i like my left brain though.

Newbie1234 May 9, 2006 11:48 AM

Hope they answer all those questions.

Solis May 9, 2006 11:49 AM

Looks OK so far...to be honest I'm pretty disappointed that the racing demo showed the person using the controller sideways, I wonder if they fixed any of the kinks with it that I was worried about.

So lets see, I think we have a new Mario, Metroid Prime 3, Table Tennis and Tennis, some kind of conducting game...what else am I missing?

Edit: no date? That's disappointing, I hate vague statements like "Fourth quarter 2006".

Kilroy May 9, 2006 11:49 AM

Hmm, I wonder if you'd actually have to be great at tennis to play tennis at Wii...

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 11:50 AM

When he says "we" I don't know if he's saying "we" or "wii"

RushJet1 May 9, 2006 11:50 AM

bah date and price are still secrets

haha reggie thanked two members of this forum for being nice about "wii"

:)

Newbie1234 May 9, 2006 11:50 AM

Ooooooh no price!!

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 11:51 AM

"both of you"

AWESOME.

Too bad there will be no price today though.

rockthepartay May 9, 2006 11:51 AM

No price?

How unfortunate.

Sin Ansem May 9, 2006 11:51 AM

Holy shit, this is awesome, man. :'D

David Deluxe May 9, 2006 11:52 AM

Any way to download this press conference afterwards? Sadly, I'm not able to watch those live streams. Seems like my version of the Windows Media Player isn't up to date and I can't download a newer version. Sup 98.

cubed May 9, 2006 11:52 AM

FIRE EMBLEM !!!

Solis May 9, 2006 11:52 AM

Why is the person in the MP3 demo still using lock-on? Shouldn't the controller make that a bit unneccissary?

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 11:53 AM

Super Mario Galaxy... a logical step up from World I suppose!

Grawl May 9, 2006 11:54 AM

THEY SHOWED PANGYA :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 11:55 AM

ZELDA AT LAUNCH. GOOOD LORD!!!!

Sin Ansem May 9, 2006 11:55 AM

NO SUPER SMASH BROS?!

WHY GOD WHY.

vertigo May 9, 2006 11:55 AM

Zelda on launch day of the Wii.

That's promising for the system.

cubed May 9, 2006 11:55 AM

WOOHOO ! I WANT IT NOW WITH ALL THAT BIG LINEUP

Newbie1234 May 9, 2006 11:55 AM

Zelda on Launch!!

Solis May 9, 2006 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprouticus
ZELDA AT LAUNCH. GOOOD LORD!!!!

Oh my god! Amazing!...oh wait...it was supposed to be out last year...

I.e. no surprise ;)

rpgcrazied May 9, 2006 11:56 AM

it still better be for the cube, or ill be very disappointed in Nintendo

Newbie1234 May 9, 2006 11:56 AM

Wow, game looks good!

RushJet1 May 9, 2006 11:58 AM

controller DOES have a speaker. weird.

Newbie1234 May 9, 2006 11:59 AM

Lol, Rumble, SPeaker + Motion Detection! Crazy!

Double Post:
Bit of lag.

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 12:02 PM

BYOB.

Except for Reggie. He has pure vodka coursing through his veins all the time.

rpgcrazied May 9, 2006 12:02 PM

thank god

RushJet1 May 9, 2006 12:02 PM

also apparently two different versions for gc and wii? :(

edit: YESSSS METROID PRIME 3

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 12:03 PM

Hm... Wii version and GC version?

Hmm... Not too impressed with that idea.

Solis May 9, 2006 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RushJet1
also apparently two different versions for gc and wii? :(

Yeah, kinda sucks I think...and that's really rubbing it in Gamecube owner's faces. "Availible THE SAME DAY AS THE WII! Now here's your stripped down version of the game for the same price". Actually, IS it going to be the same price?

vertigo May 9, 2006 12:03 PM

Super mario galaxy. Better name than sunshine =p

rpgcrazied May 9, 2006 12:03 PM

Not everyone can afford a console at launch.. im glad i can get to play it on my cube.

RushJet1 May 9, 2006 12:05 PM

sweet, new franchises. that third one looked cool (crisis or whatever)

Solis May 9, 2006 12:05 PM

Disaster sounds interesting...hope they show more of the game later on

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 12:07 PM

Excite Truck looks AWESOME. I literally cannot wait to get my hands on this one.

Kilroy May 9, 2006 12:07 PM

I love how he's trying to make Sponge bob interesting:P

Newbie1234 May 9, 2006 12:08 PM

YES! Red Steel!!!!

cubed May 9, 2006 12:09 PM

Stupid french, I could have done the presentation myself :P

MeTaL_oRgY May 9, 2006 12:09 PM

So far, Nintendo's been amazing. The games don't look THAT bad (FFCC looks awesome) and the gameplay is just excelent. I just want too see Smash to be completely happy. :)

cubed May 9, 2006 12:10 PM

maybe SSB will be the finale :D

Matt May 9, 2006 12:11 PM

So I'm guessing Zelda is coming out on the same day that the Wii is?

Both versions?

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 12:11 PM

Red Steel looks fucking awesome. Gameplay wise and graphically it's real impressive.

Ryunam May 9, 2006 12:12 PM

Just to know, how long is the conference supposed to be exactly?

Newbie1234 May 9, 2006 12:12 PM

Red Steel demo > Zelda demo.

MeTaL_oRgY May 9, 2006 12:13 PM

There were rummors that it'll last around 2 hours... @@

cubed May 9, 2006 12:13 PM

Sony's conference was 2 hours long I think

RushJet1 May 9, 2006 12:13 PM

wow, the lighting through the area he shot was great

Double Post:
also, cool that you can block

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 12:14 PM

Square NEEDS to revive Bushido Blade. That game would be absolutely incredible for the Wii.

MeTaL_oRgY May 9, 2006 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Newbie1234
Red Steel demo > Zelda demo.

Perhaps because Nintendo don't want to spoil much about Zelda... perhaps... hopefully. :(

Matt May 9, 2006 12:15 PM

WOO GEORGE HARRISON!

WOOOOOOOOO!

RushJet1 May 9, 2006 12:16 PM

yeah they said that the zelda demo was a part of a toned-down dungeon with piss-easy enemies, so i'd say the actual game is better

Solis May 9, 2006 12:18 PM

Hmm, Red Steel looked kinda disappointing...the aiming and turning seemed really funky, like the person had a lot of trouble just rotating his character. And the sword combat looks really shallow, it doesn't look like the sword actually follows the controller: you just flick it a direction and it slashes from there. Blocking even looks the same as Oblivion's. I was hoping for a full sword duel where you use correct positioning and precision moves...in the demo the enemy acted like you hit his left side when you slashed at him from the right! I guess I'll have to play it myself and see how it works out.

It did however look pretty good (well, as good as it could on the low quality stream I'm watching, anyway).

nabhan May 9, 2006 12:18 PM

I bought Brain Age yesterday!

:rock:

I didn't know there was going to be Diddy Kong Racing, StarFox, or Yoshi's Island DS Games.

=o

Varium May 9, 2006 12:19 PM

Yoshis Island 2? Yes please!

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 12:19 PM

NICE! YOSHI'S ISLAND, STAR FOX, AND DIDDY KONG!! AMAZING!

FF3 looks GREAT!

RushJet1 May 9, 2006 12:20 PM

gajh @HGTH

which one is it!? NES ff3 or SNES?!?!??!

Ryunam May 9, 2006 12:20 PM

YOSHI'S ISLAND 2.

This is TOO DAMN GOOD.

MeTaL_oRgY May 9, 2006 12:20 PM

FF3 for the DS... I don't like the idea..

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 12:20 PM

NES FF3! The only one not available in the US

Solis May 9, 2006 12:21 PM

CRAP! Stupid thing messed up and I had to reconnect. What did I miss that was related to Star Fox?

RushJet1 May 9, 2006 12:22 PM

sweet

i mean, i've already beaten it, but still cool (ff3)

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 12:22 PM

Star Fox DS... 3D game on top screen, and it says you control your flight path with the touch screen.

Yoshis Island 2 - 2-screened gameplay!

Stealth May 9, 2006 12:22 PM

The DS part is making me sleepy. Also, Zelda looks cool.

Red Steel's shooting looks nice, but the swords are severely lacking.

rockthepartay May 9, 2006 12:23 PM

Nintendo really is demonstrating that it's all about the games for the future of the company.

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 12:23 PM

Lacking compared to WHAT?

Give it some time to develop!

Newbie1234 May 9, 2006 12:24 PM

The new DS titles look great!

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprouticus
Lacking compared to WHAT?

Give it some time to develop!

I agree. It's the first game of its kind, and there's still some time to go before launch.

Solis May 9, 2006 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprouticus
Star Fox DS... 3D game on top screen, and it says you control your flight path with the touch screen.

Hmm, that sounds interesting, I'll have to check that one out after the show is done. I hope the flight path selection is made pretty versitile, it would be nice being able to totally control your route instead of just choosing left or right paths.

Quote:

Lacking compared to WHAT?
Compared to how it SHOULD be. I was hoping you'd be able to control the sword directly, instead it looks more like a repackaged Warrior of Middle Earth. But I still want to try it out when it's released.

David Deluxe May 9, 2006 12:25 PM

I guess it's IWATA TIME.

Infernal Monkey May 9, 2006 12:26 PM

Oh my God, Yoshi's Island 2. <3 <3 And Iwata made a confusing entrance, which is awesome, because he's Iwata and it's IWATA TIME.

RushJet1 May 9, 2006 12:26 PM

haha i like how he paused with the wii controller to have pictures taken :)

cubed May 9, 2006 12:26 PM

eat ees confor-table.... *waits applause*.........................

chaofan May 9, 2006 12:26 PM

OMG did I see an American version of what looked like Osu???

SOLD

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RushJet1
haha i like how he paused with the wii controller to have pictures taken :)

LMAO I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this!

RushJet1 May 9, 2006 12:27 PM

ah, the power/home button... guessing here.

edit: so i guess when you push home, the system enters "standby" and when you push it again, you start where you left off.... excellent....

Kilroy May 9, 2006 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infernal Monkey
Oh my God, Yoshi's Island 2. <3 <3 And Iwata made a confusing entrance, which is awesome, because he's Iwata and it's IWATA TIME.

He didn't burst through the roof. It must be an imposter >=(

Solis May 9, 2006 12:29 PM

Ugh, ANOTHER console that goes into "standby mode". Don't these things have real power buttons anymore?!?

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 12:30 PM

I like the standby mode idea. I'm sick of sitting through intro screens for all my systems. Nintendo is definitely on the right track with this.

Newbie1234 May 9, 2006 12:32 PM

Interesting 24 hour idea. I wonder how large is the hard drive for all this "new content"?

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 12:32 PM

WiiSports sounds sweet. Simple titles will be a nice way to get adjusted to the system for newbies.

chaofan May 9, 2006 12:32 PM

*CANNOT UNDERSTAND IWATA*

Guess I'll wait for transcript tomorrow

Solis May 9, 2006 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Newbie1234
Interesting 24 hour idea. I wonder how large is the hard drive for all this "new content"?

512MB of built in Flash memory.

Quote:

*CANNOT UNDERSTAND IWATA*

Guess I'll wait for transcript tomorrow
He says "We" pretty well, at least...

RushJet1 May 9, 2006 12:33 PM

standby mode = instant action where you left off?

Infernal Monkey May 9, 2006 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kilroy
He didn't burst through the roof. It must be an imposter >=(

Probably a stunt double that was too scared to do the IWATA TIME stunt. :(

Shonos May 9, 2006 12:34 PM

I'm not a fan of devices using standby. When I want something off I want it fully off. Especially out here in cali with the high risks of brown/black outs and the surges that come along with it.

Electricity is so expensive too. I dont want things constantly sucking power. =/

Newbie1234 May 9, 2006 12:34 PM

Hahah! Cool contest!

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 12:34 PM

Nobody understood that joke.

RushJet1 May 9, 2006 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprouticus
Nobody understood that joke.

haha yeah he just stood there :)

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 12:37 PM

That kid looks PISS SCARED. Miyamoto is a tiny bastard.

Can't say I don't envy that kid though. Playing on the Wii for the first time with the Nintendo gods? Good LORD.

Kilroy May 9, 2006 12:38 PM

Shit! Gamespot died on me;_;What is this madness?

Solis May 9, 2006 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprouticus
Nobody understood that joke.

That earlier "you can go fishing in Zelda, but bring your own beer" line earlier fell flat on it's face too. Can't remember who said that though.

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 12:38 PM

Reggie is going to destroy the Kodak Theater if he loses.

That looks like so much fun though... It really looks like a good time.

rpgcrazied May 9, 2006 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kilroy
Shit! Gamespot died on me;_;What is this madness?

same here

Solis May 9, 2006 12:39 PM

Hmm, the 100k stream seems to be having some problems, if anyone is having issues switch over to 300k if you can.

cubed May 9, 2006 12:40 PM

me too but I chose 300k and it works now.

map car man words telling me to do things May 9, 2006 12:40 PM

God damnit. I was doing fine till the tennis presentation with Miyamoto, the feed just died on me and isn't connecting now. I'm not even going to try it anymore, so sick of that advert. I'll just download the whole show later and watch the rest.

rpgcrazied May 9, 2006 12:40 PM

thanks, 300k is working

MeTaL_oRgY May 9, 2006 12:41 PM

That tennis game looks fucking awesomeeeeeeeee!!!

Malmer May 9, 2006 12:41 PM

Damn I envy that guy. OMFG this show was great!

Err, the price? Did I miss something?

Newbie1234 May 9, 2006 12:41 PM

............... mine just died. Well it's over anyway.

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 12:41 PM

NO SMASH BROTHERS?? RAARRRR!!

Other than that, I'm quite impressed!

Kilroy May 9, 2006 12:41 PM

Ah. yes. Brilliant:) What did I miss?

The end of the show;_;

cubed May 9, 2006 12:42 PM

That's it ???...... I was expecting more

MeTaL_oRgY May 9, 2006 12:42 PM

So it's over... and I'm amazed. Nintendo's done it again. I <3 Wii. It trully seems like the most promising console for this next generation.

chaofan May 9, 2006 12:42 PM

Brilliant, but could've said and done more.

That said, I'm going to sleep guys. Bloody 3.41am over here.

Solis May 9, 2006 12:43 PM

Doh! It's over! Haha.

Ahh well, I guess it wasn't bad, but didn't have nearly as much as I hoped for. In fact, the "surprises" were pretty lame to be honest...and I'm actually a bit worried about the controller now because it seems like it didn't work nearly as well as I thought it would. And they still didn't give a price or date...not a good sign.

Actually, I was more excited about the announcement of a Star Fox DS more than anything.

TheReverend May 9, 2006 12:44 PM

Did you guys see Fire Emblem???!!

Heck yes!

I'm sold. And it looks like I'll be buying a Wii to play Zelda this holiday season!

rockthepartay May 9, 2006 12:44 PM

A couple more games would have been nice, but what was presented was pretty great.

I'm just worried that some games will simply get too complicated for even the expert gamer.

Prime Blue May 9, 2006 12:45 PM

Did I miss anything in the 20 minutes after the Zelda demo began? I had to help someone with her internet connection.
What's the last big Wii secret?

Newbie1234 May 9, 2006 12:45 PM

Overall, a solid showing by Nintendo, nothing too fancy, but I think they got their point across.

I would've liked a price & availability date, and of course Smash Brothers, but I think they've learned from Sony's mistake yesterday. They didn't show everything, but just enough to keep people interested and that they're very much into competing against the big guns.

Shonos May 9, 2006 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockthepartay
A couple more games would have been nice, but what was presented was pretty great.

I'm just worried that some games will simply get too complicated for even the expert gamer.

I'm actually more worried they might make games too easy so those who are not great or are new to gaming can play easily with the Wii.

Infernal Monkey May 9, 2006 12:46 PM

Hmmm, no price or launch date mentioned. AND DID I SEE A GLIMPSE OF A PILOTWINGS GAME GUYS? I SAW SOMETHING. LIKE PILOTWINGS. Did I see Pilotwings? ;__;

Syndrome May 9, 2006 12:46 PM

Good freaking lord in all that is called heaven!
Sony is going down. Nintendo is ON THE TRACK!

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 12:46 PM

Only things I wished to have seen were the Virtual Console and the price. Other than that, a great conference. No beating around the bush, no bullshit.

I expect that some kinks still need to be worked out of the controller, so, I would wait until we get hands-on impressions before we give judgement. It looks real solid though.

Newbie1234 May 9, 2006 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prime Blue
Did I miss anything in the 20 minutes after the Zelda demo began? I had to help someone with her internet connection.
What's the last big Wii secret?

Well, they announced that the controller also has a speaker, and that the system will be have a stand by mode so it's on 24/7.

Sin Ansem May 9, 2006 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprouticus
NO SMASH BROTHERS?? RAARRRR!!

Other than that, I'm quite impressed!

I second this.

TheReverend May 9, 2006 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solis
Doh! It's over! Haha.

Ahh well, I guess it wasn't bad, but didn't have nearly as much as I hoped for. In fact, the "surprises" were pretty lame to be honest...and I'm actually a bit worried about the controller now because it seems like it didn't work nearly as well as I thought it would. And they still didn't give a price or date...not a good sign.

Actually, I was more excited about the announcement of a Star Fox DS more than anything.

I don't mind the date and price unknowns. It'll make Sony sweat.... :)

Yeah I was hoping for something a bit more surprising too. Speaker and WiFi Connect 24 were cool but not huge announcements.

Wiimote didn't work well?! Did you see that one guy pickup and start playing Tennis well in like 1 min?

MeTaL_oRgY May 9, 2006 12:47 PM

You saw Pilotwings, Infernal. Believe it. :)

Syndrome May 9, 2006 12:47 PM

Infernal Monkey: They confirmed Starfox for DS, dunno about pilotwings though :O

Lukage May 9, 2006 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infernal Monkey
Hmmm, no price or launch date mentioned. AND DID I SEE A GLIMPSE OF A PILOTWINGS GAME GUYS? I SAW SOMETHING. LIKE PILOTWINGS. Did I see Pilotwings? ;__;

Yes, you saw it.


Oh, and lawl no price or release date or Smash Brothers.

But ZOMG Yoshi's Island.

TheReverend May 9, 2006 12:49 PM

They definitely did a good presentation. They presented there ideas and concept and blew the doors off it.

No smash bros :(

No real online games :(

27 playable games tomorrow!!!! Good lord, I'm glad I'm not trying to preview all of these...

Matt May 9, 2006 12:50 PM

I want pics of Yoshi's Island 2. WHERE ARE THE PICS OF YOSHI'S ISLAND 2??? ;____;

Solis May 9, 2006 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shonos
I'm actually more worried they might make games too easy so those who are not great or are new to gaming can play easily with the Wii.

Ditto. The games almost looked too forgiving, will you even need to AIM correctly on the Golf game with the Wii remote? It almost looks like your swing travels on a linear plane and the controller is just used to determine how hard to hit...

Kaleb.G May 9, 2006 12:50 PM

At being half the length of the Sony conference, this was ten times as interesting. But what about Smash Bros? And speaking of HAL, what happened to the new Kirby game that was supposed to be coming out for GameCube?

Malmer May 9, 2006 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prime Blue
What's the last big Wii secret?

The price apparently, and it's still a secret :(

Quote:

We want to thank all that wrote something good about the name when it was first announced. Both of you.
I lol'd :tpg:


Screw my savings for the PS3, I'm getting the all of the launch games on Wii release-day instead =o

NovaX May 9, 2006 12:52 PM

Mother-fucking Mario Galaxy! AND EXCITE TRUCK!

I swear, best E3 ever!!

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 12:54 PM

I wonder if Mario will be playable tomorrow... I'm interested to see how you control Mario this time around.

Matt May 9, 2006 12:57 PM

It's too bad they didn't unveil more about their online plans.
That WiiConnect 24 sounded kind of neat, but more or less gimmicky.
"Friends can send me a gift if my Wii is connected to teh intearnet? Uh, can't they just email it to me?"


Something I read over at Joystiq:
Quote:

Hate to inject a little bit of reality into the conversation, but Red Steel's visual quality lacks the sex and sparkle of the Sony demos yesterday -- take away the controller, and the game could run on an original Xbox or PlayStation 2. Nintendo would of course remind us that judging a game by what's displayed on screen is a mistake, but the game industry has tended to judge games visually for many years. Nintendo can't change the critical criteria overnight. They're going to have their work cut out for them on this front if gamers prove intractable in their lust for next-gen graphics.
How true.
I wonder how the masses will react to their games not looking as realistic as they do on consoles 2-3 times the price?

Newbie1234 May 9, 2006 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt
Something I read over at Joystiq:

How true.
I wonder how the masses will react to their games not looking as realistic as they do on consoles 2-3 times the price?

Yep, you get what you pay for. Nintendo is clearly targeting a different, and mostly untapped market though, and much like the DS vs PSP, graphics don't necessarily translate to sales when money is involved.

Malmer May 9, 2006 01:07 PM

I just watched the video over at IGN where Fran uses the controller to play Red Steel while giving input, and it sounds very good to me.

Red Steel at the conference seemed a bit "tight" in the movements, but he might have been a bit too cautious, or the sensitivity might have been tuned down, because it's pretty sensitive and maneuverable while Fran's using it.

Wii <3

SketchTheArtist May 9, 2006 01:09 PM

Wow. Seriously, watching this and the various games (Wii Sports for exemple) made feel like a kid again!

I can't wait to get my hands on one! Plus, tell me that was freakin' PILOTWINGS!!

map car man words telling me to do things May 9, 2006 01:10 PM

I absolutely loved how they had crappy players demoing the games, made it much more believable it was actual gameplay. I was laughing my ass off in delight when he kept shooting with the shotgun and missing.

Also, the second a downloadable video is available, I want links.

EDIT:

I thought I saw a renamed Ouendan amidst the DS game lineup, but someone in chat said no and I'm doubting they knew what they were talking about. Can anyone confirm this...........

FatsDomino May 9, 2006 01:14 PM

I really wish they would have gotten pricing and release date info out of the way and I wish information on pricing and how the virtual console works was revealed and the lack of smash bros (which is fine if Sakurai needs more time b/c I'd rather have a masterpiece than a weak launch title) but other than that I was pretty much blown away. I like how the audience wasn't bored like the Sony conference. It was a fun conference and Nintendo came out of it looking really good unlike Sony and their dull gameplay/movies and massive wallet destroyer pricing announcement coupled with retarded dual console release. I hope we get a lot more information on specifics soon.

And holy shit, DS, why must you be so god damn awesome?! It's like I'm getting the snot beaten out of me with all the good punches they constantly pull with it. Yoshi's Island 2, Starfox DS, US version of Ouendan. DS alone is coming really freaking close to being the second golden age of gaming just on its own.

Prime Blue May 9, 2006 01:14 PM

In all honesty: Was the last secret revealed? Is it the Wii Connect 24 service? Because that wouldn't be too groundbreaking.
Nintendo said the last secret affects the way you play the games. Didn't they reveal it because they are afraid of Sony copying their idea?

RABicle May 9, 2006 01:14 PM

I saw a girl naked the other day and It wasn't as good as that conference.

Grubdog May 9, 2006 01:14 PM

That was the greatest E3 conference of all time. Miyamoto / Iwata / Reggie are AWESOME :D

Red Steel looked ABSOLUTELY STUNNING in the presentation. I didn't expect them to match the competitors grapihcs, but Nintendo has everything covered.

Super Mario Galaxy = My most anticipated game. Holy shit.

So many things to digest...

Soldier May 9, 2006 01:15 PM

So where can I find some trailers of all this awesomeness. Gametrailers doesn't seem to have any wii-related movies.

Grubdog May 9, 2006 01:16 PM

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8...nd2ss125my.png http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8...nd2ss076jv.png

Yoshis Island 2 holy crap!

TheReverend May 9, 2006 01:18 PM

What I luved is that I might be able to play and enjoy games with people.

Like real people that aren't uber-dorks. Like my parents or just people I know. I mean obviously ANYBODY can play that tennis game. I mean you can topspin or back spin by twisting the controller?! How f-ng sweat is that!!!!!

And yes some of the graphics were so-so. But did you see Fire Emblem!?!?! Holy crap! And FF:CC was beautiful too.

So much to be excited about.

Kilroy May 9, 2006 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prime Blue
In all honesty: Was the last secret revealed? Is it the Wii Connect 24 service? Because that wouldn't be too groundbreaking.
Nintendo said the last secret affects the way you play the games. Didn't they reveal it because they are afraid of Sony copying their idea?

I thought it was the mic/speaker in the wiimote? I could be wrong, but I thought that was what they said during the Zelda thing..

FatsDomino May 9, 2006 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaleb.G
And speaking of HAL, what happened to the new Kirby game that was supposed to be coming out for GameCube?

I'd really like to know about this too because the game was looking really awesome.

Prime Blue May 9, 2006 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kilroy
I thought it was the mic/speaker in the wiimote? I could be wrong, but I thought that was what they said during the Zelda thing..

Ah, thanks. :) Then I just missed that statement while I was away.

SketchTheArtist May 9, 2006 01:21 PM

They said the speaker and Connect 24 were some of the secrets of the console.

Personally, with all of that and the Virtual console with NES, SNES, N64, GENESIS and TURBO GRAPH-X games, I'm a happy camper.

Malmer May 9, 2006 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOLDIER
So where can I find some trailers of all this awesomeness. Gametrailers doesn't seem to have any wii-related movies.

Try this for starters: http://revolution.ign.com/articles/705/705854p1.html

Gametrailers.com is down here, maybe they're updating?


Starfox DS. The arwing looked a lot like in StarFox 64.
They better get it right this time :eyebrow:

Kilroy May 9, 2006 01:22 PM

I hope they're making it (Kirby) for Wii, because I'm sure as hell am gonna buy one. (You know, along side PS3)
I'd buy Wii for Mario alone. All those multiplayer games (like WiiSports) didn't appeal much to me.

But I sure wish they had announced a price and an exact launch date.

Para May 9, 2006 01:23 PM

Yoshi's Island 2 brings so many awesome memories that I have to buy a DS for that...

Overall the conference was a lot more interesting than Sony's. I rather felt a little bored of sony's conference.

Matt May 9, 2006 01:27 PM

Thanks for the screens Grubdog.
I can only hope the music is as good as the visuals are.

Infernal Monkey May 9, 2006 01:28 PM

TOP VIDEO, SURPRISE. New Paper Mario game for GameCube OUT OF NOWHERE.

Soldier May 9, 2006 01:29 PM

I didn't even finish Paper Mario 2. :(

Matt May 9, 2006 01:30 PM

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

nabhan May 9, 2006 01:32 PM

Wow. I thought it was going to be another RPG, but that looks awesome.

I need money ;_;

Soldier May 9, 2006 01:32 PM

Doesn't look very RPGish. But immediate props go to the use of SMB1 sprites. That old Peach sprite still makes me laugh.

Grubdog May 9, 2006 01:33 PM

Super Paper Mario!!!

Brand new Mario platformer for Nintendo GameCube with Paper Mario style graphics.

EDIT: man this thread isf ast

Matt May 9, 2006 01:34 PM

5 posts ago, dude.

NovaX May 9, 2006 01:35 PM

Looks freaking awesome! I don't understand why this wasn't shown at the conference.

Malmer May 9, 2006 01:37 PM

Whoa, whoa, New Super Mario Bros has barely been released... so much info... stuff... hard to take it all in =o

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 01:37 PM

OMFG NEW PAPER MARIO TOO?!?!

This is the best E3 I've seen in a while. Super Paper Mario... good lord, this is a great day.

NovaX May 9, 2006 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AcerBandit
I'd really like to know about this too because the game was looking really awesome.

Looks like it went to DS. LINK

Newbie1234 May 9, 2006 01:45 PM

Looks good! Nintendo's really showcasing a ton of games this E3!

Infernal Monkey May 9, 2006 01:49 PM

Starfox ahoooy.

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/1...xdsss043ha.png http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2...xdsss011lu.png http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/5...xdsss093im.png

map car man words telling me to do things May 9, 2006 01:51 PM

Oh MAN. Keep it Arwing missions, Arwing mission. Land Master is fine too, but no on-foot sections. It's too easy to make awesome, MAKE IT SO.

Soldier May 9, 2006 01:52 PM

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2...xdsss011lu.png

I almost read this as something else. :tpg:

Looks nice, aside from the portraits. Couldn't they go with the GC makeovers? Maybe it's a prequel.

Megalith May 9, 2006 01:52 PM

Looks awful.

Can I get Star Fox 2.

Solis May 9, 2006 01:59 PM

Ugh, what did they do to poor Fox.

I'd like to know how the controls on the bottom screen work though. What could those shiny buttons do...

map car man words telling me to do things May 9, 2006 02:01 PM

Looks like touch screen buttons for looping and u-turns, and a meter for the brake. Meh, hopefully it works.

Rock May 9, 2006 02:06 PM

This can only work if there's no stylus control involved whatsoever.

Darkcomet72 May 9, 2006 02:18 PM

I hate it when non-important events like "life" interfere with what really matters with this world.

Where can I get the whole conference.

Malmer May 9, 2006 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkcomet72
I hate it when non-important events like "life" interfere with what really matters with this world.

Where can I get the whole conference.

Righty here: http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3live.html



I hope there's possibility for using buttons only in StarFox DS, but I reckon with a Lite you can easily reach the screen with your thumbs?

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 02:37 PM

http://i3.tinypic.com/xm5ok6.jpg

I found this on the interweb... I wonder if it's real or if it's 'shopped.

Cobalt Katze May 9, 2006 02:38 PM

Btw, Wii classic controller revealed:

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/e3_200...to_classic.jpg

Looks like the SNES made love to the Dual Shock. :savepoint:

Double Post:
Quote:

Originally Posted by sprouticus
I found this on the interweb... I wonder if it's real or if it's 'shopped.

High-res image and thumbnail from nintendo.co.jp says real~

Confirmation:
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/e3_200...ontroller.html

map car man words telling me to do things May 9, 2006 02:42 PM

The controller itself looks a bit iffy, but the dpad and face button placement looks wonderful.

Playing the Virtual Console just got so much more appealing.

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 02:44 PM

Fucking awesome. Looks like a souped up SNES controller. I give it the thumbs up.

Cobalt Katze May 9, 2006 02:46 PM

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/e3_200...ontroller3.jpghttp://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/e3_200...ontroller4.jpg

This could be taken the wrong way...

Dubble May 9, 2006 02:50 PM

Super Paper Mario caught me totally off guard. the reception to the sidescrolling scenes in PM2 must have been REALLY well recieved for them to have done this.

map car man words telling me to do things May 9, 2006 02:56 PM

The remote's speaker is troubling me a little. I see the potential, yes I do. Imagine a 3D adventure/thriller title, and a character leans close to you to whisper something, and you hear it from the remote, so you need to physically lean closer to it. Or a game where you carry a watch with a video system and you get messages through it and physically have to listen in on your wrist.

But me, I play using headphones. My TV's speakers are pretty shitty and using headphones lets me cut out all the rest of the noise in my house, not to mention play at night without waking everyone.

I just really, really hope there is an option in the games themselves to switch off the speaker usage (instead of a simple off switch on the controller), that would route all remote speaker sounds to regular speakers (headphones).

FatsDomino May 9, 2006 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NovaX
Looks like it went to DS. LINK

That's great and all and I love traditional Kirby but I was really looking forward to the cube game. I hope it wasn't scrapped. I don't care if it's moved to Wii but the game looked great.

Lots of cube games coming out of nowhere. I was really hoping Kirby was still there.


Oh and I really wish they had done a six face button Sega Genesis setup so you could use C buttons correctly for N64 games. Believe it or not some N64 games did use those buttons as buttons and not just camera controls. Also that setup would make playing Genesis games a breeze. I hope it isn't final. Also how is that connected to the Wii? Is it an attachment still or does it connect to the cube ports?

map car man words telling me to do things May 9, 2006 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AcerBandit
Also how is that connected to the Wii? Is it an attachment still or does it connect to the cube ports?

That's an intriguing question. If it works on the cube ports, would that mean it works on the cube as well? *tummy going pitter-patter*

Newbie1234 May 9, 2006 03:15 PM

AT LAST, it's about time Nintendo puts out a standard looking controller. I always disliked the childish N64 and GC ones.

Technophile May 9, 2006 03:30 PM

For those of us that missed the conference (grrr History class), does anyone know of a site that had text-updates or highlights of the show? Picking up bits and pieces by looking back at this thread is helpful and all but a little bit chaotic.

FatsDomino May 9, 2006 03:41 PM

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/706/706158p1.html

It's all there in text. Hopefully someone will have the video up in high quality sometime. I want it.

Technophile May 9, 2006 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AcerBandit
http://revolution.ign.com/articles/706/706158p1.html

It's all there in text. Hopefully someone will have the video up in high quality sometime. I want it.

Thanks Acer.

A few things are unclear:

1) They didn't anounce an actual release date and price?:eyebrow:

2) So is the wiimote's speaker suppose to be "the last big secret"?

3) Nothing of Super Smash Brothers Wii was shown?

I was also hoping that they would comment on PS3's controler's last-second, motion-sensing inclusion. O well. It seems like the conference still didn't answer my main questions, but I'm still hyped.

map car man words telling me to do things May 9, 2006 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Technophile
I was also hoping that they would comment on PS3's controler's last-second, motion-sensing inclusion. O well. It seems like the conference still didn't answer my main questions, but I'm still hyped.

To clarify, it doesn't detect motion, it detects tilt. Think of it as using a GBA with Wario Ware Twisted as a controller.

Prime Blue May 9, 2006 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Technophile
2) So is the wiimote's speaker suppose to be "the last big secret"?

Somehow I can't believe this. Nintendo created such a big hype about the last secret, I just don't think it's just the speaker. Then again, I didn't watch the portion with the speaker announcement, I'm watching the whole conference again right now.

But the speaker feature was known a week before the conference (Gamefront.de). If that was the big secret why would Nintendo let it leak so early? Remember the time before the TGS when the controller was unveiled? No concrete rumours about the controller functionality existed, it was all just speculation.

FatsDomino May 9, 2006 04:18 PM

Technophile:

1) They haven't announced a release date or a price but you can be sure it will be Fall 2006 and cheaper than Microsoft and Sony's offerings. Most speculate anywhere from $150 to $300. I'm hoping for that $200 sweet spot they always do.

2) I don't know if it's the last secret or not. There still might be a microphone and of course there are other attachments that might surface. And of course all the concrete details of the system interface and the virtual console's system and pricing. There's still a lot to know.

3) No Smash Bros yet. Sakurai was only informed of the game last E3 when it was first announced. He then had a private meeting with Iwata and then after agreeing to head up the game was given his own new studio so he probably just didn't have it ready. You'll see it eventually. You don't rush Sakurai. The man is a perfectionist. I don't expect it at launch and since the launch window is looking like the strongest console launch of any console ever I don't really care. I'd rather have a perfect Sakurai game that comes a couple months after launch like Melee than a rush job launch title.

Matt May 9, 2006 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwarky
To clarify, it doesn't detect motion, it detects tilt. Think of it as using a GBA with Wario Ware Twisted as a controller.

Something I realized with that, too, is that the new PS3 playmote has the same functionality as the Wii-chuck. How quaint!

Technophile May 9, 2006 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwarky
To clarify, it doesn't detect motion, it detects tilt. Think of it as using a GBA with Wario Ware Twisted as a controller.

Yeah I just read numerous articles that state how it's baiscaly the same ol' playstation remote but with the vibration feature nixed out in favor of very, very dumbed down wiimote-like functionality. (sensing tilt while remaining oblivious to actual 3D movement). I still think it was very pethatic of Sony to do this. It's like the feature is half-assed and it's not even what they're geniunly exploring in the first place. As if they merely, & quickly, threw the half-baked idea in there just to take a shot at Nintendo.

Anyway..., did they show any pictures or a video of that Wii sports title that has tennis, baseball and golf in one? I'm curious if it's gonna be more like a sports sim or take on a lighter tone.

Oh and Acer, it's odd that they haven't actualy anounced the specific release date and price yet, but I suppose there's still time. And yes, the launch line-up is indeed looking great with or without SSB:Wii.

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 04:39 PM

Does anyone know if Super Mario Galaxy will be a launch title or not?

While we're on the subject, does anyone know for certain what games are launch titles?

Technophile May 9, 2006 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprouticus
Does anyone know if Super Mario Galaxy will be a launch title or not?

While we're on the subject, does anyone know for certain what games are launch titles?

I believe Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz is. If this is as good as the first two Monkey Ball games, then that's all I need for months on end. :)

-EDIT-

During E3, do they usualy reveal answers to big questions (ones listed in previous posts) that haven't been answered during the conference, in the remaining days of the Expo? Or do these tidbits remain unanswered untill TGS?

Freelance May 9, 2006 04:51 PM

Meh, this sucks. I've just seen the video of the Wii games and I am not interested in any of the titles shown. It's very likely just me, but I don't like the idea of doing motions with my arms to play a game. Give me plain ol' buttons and crap any day. Things are looking better on the other consoles, however.

Although I love Star Fox, I think Fox's design has been steadily getting worse in every new game. The way he looks in SF DS is just 'ugh.' However, it looks like it's going back to its shooting roots, so that's something I'm definitely on the look out for.

Super Paper Mario looks frickin' sweet, especially after drooling over the New SMB. Mario was always best in 2D land, and I'm very pleased Nintendo is actually making 2D games on a console. I am seriously stoked that you can PLAY AS BOWSER. That alone is worth a purchase.

SketchTheArtist May 9, 2006 04:53 PM

Red Steel, Zelda and WiiSports are confirmed.

map car man words telling me to do things May 9, 2006 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Technophile
Yeah I just read numerous articles that state how it's baiscaly the same ol' playstation remote but with the vibration feature nixed out in favor of very, very dumbed down wiimote-like functionality. (sensing tilt while remaining oblivious to actual 3D movement). I still think it was very pethatic of Sony to do this. It's like the feature is half-assed and it's not even what they're geniunly exploring in the first place. As if they merely, & quickly, threw the half-baked idea in there just to take a shot at Nintendo.

It serves its purpose though, most Sony apologists are already telling themselves the Sony controller one-ups Nintendo, and considering how many people are still insisting on staying oblivious to how the Wii controller actually works, that might be enough. =/

FatsDomino May 9, 2006 05:09 PM

Yeah, they do reveal a few tidbits or hints in Q&A sessions. And they've revealed things that weren't in the conference related to Wii already so I think they'll be a bit more open than at least E3 '05.

I'm not sure what games will be launch titles but Super Mario Galaxy seems like it should be. Miyamoto and co. have to have been working on this for a long ass time. Hey, it's okay if it's not at launch but I expect the game to be out in the launch window or at the latest early '07.

I've heard there will be around 27 launch titles and a third of them will be from Nintendo if that gives you an idea of how great this is going to be.

And yeah, I do enjoy how the PS3 controller is just plain ol' Dual Shock 2 but wireless and for tilt control they axed rumble while the Wii controller has 3d space motion sensing, titling, rumble, and sound all while being wireless.

Matt May 9, 2006 05:19 PM

I'm wondering if the Wii controller will be rechargable/dockable, or if it'll run on store-bought batteries...

Sin Ansem May 9, 2006 05:19 PM

I like how Sonic Wildfire was totally ignored by IGN.

Not that it's a good game compared to Sonic the Hedgehog.

And I'm hoping we at least see a trailer of Smash at this point.

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 05:21 PM

http://cube.ign.com/articles/706/706378p1.html

A NEW BONGO GAME!! DK Bongo Blast!

AND IT'S A RACING GAME!

devilmaycry May 9, 2006 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AcerBandit
And yeah, I do enjoy how the PS3 controller is just plain ol' Dual Shock 2 but wireless and for tilt control they axed rumble

For real? Did dropped rumble in favor of tilt control? What a morons then...

Quote:

Originally Posted by AcerBandit
while the Wii controller has 3d space motion sensing, titling, rumble, and sound all while being wireless.

And a battery life of 2 hours :D
No dude, I don't belive a controller or any device for that matter can do all that and have a long battery life. They are hiding something, what they are saying is just plain impossible... unless they start selling a Official Nintendo ColdFusion™ Battery

Soldier May 9, 2006 05:26 PM

Quote:

A NEW BONGO GAME!! DK Bongo Blast!

AND IT'S A RACING GAME!
And...this is exciting because.....

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 05:28 PM

It's exciting if you've ever played DK Jungle Beat, which I assume you haven't.

The bongos are an extremely fun way to play games, believe it or not. I can see them working seamlessly in a racing game.

Darkcomet72 May 9, 2006 05:32 PM

Pretty sweet stuff.

I'm a bit worried. I always thought the best part of Starfox games was the rail-type levels and not the all range levels. From what I've seen, it looks to be only the latter, though I could easily be wrong. Can anyone confirm rail-type stages in Starfox DS?

Yoshi's Island 2. Wow, didn't see this coming at ALL. Is it possible to get drunk off hype? Fantastic.

DIDDY KONG RACING. OMFG. That game was my favorite N64 game bar none.

Prime Blue May 9, 2006 05:32 PM

Wii game list!

devilmaycry May 9, 2006 05:45 PM

Has anyone said how will te built in speaker work? Will it have a built in ROM with a set of predefined sound effects that the game will call or will the game stream an entire sound file into the pad?

I bet on the first because... you guessed! Battery life :P

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 05:52 PM

I'm pretty sure they said something about the game streaming audio directly to it.

neothe0ne May 9, 2006 05:53 PM

HOLY CRAP.

http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/20..._screen001.jpg

Looks like a SNES/PS2 hybrid :( I HATE the position of the D-pad in relation to the analog sticks in that controller...

VeryLaZ May 9, 2006 05:54 PM

Is the controller going to be wireless??? It looks like it has a cord :(

map car man words telling me to do things May 9, 2006 05:57 PM

The dpad looks off center a little, that might be a bit awkward =/
It's understandable since they want the twin sticks in there too, but the whole thing looks cramped. They could have simple made a SNES pad replica and I'd be perfectly happy.

The dpad itself and the face button placement are still so dreamy. I can't wait to try that.

devilmaycry May 9, 2006 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neothe0ne
Looks like a SNES/PS2 hybrid :( I HATE the position of the D-pad in relation to the analog sticks in that controller...


O M G !


WTF is that shit? Is that what I think it is? F**king hell, take it away! TAKE IT AWAY!

OMFG it looks like Dual Shock gone bad! Way bad, DShock is already bad enough even using winged design but that.... OMG!


Quote:

Originally Posted by neothe0ne
I HATE the position of the D-pad in relation to the analog sticks in that controller...

Quoting you again, yes that was the reason I've been bashing the Dualshock all these years and now Nintendo picks a bad design and makes it worse by taking away the only good thing the DS had, it's winged design...

Soldier May 9, 2006 06:00 PM

Are we going to get any new info on the Wiimulator? That's the one feature I've been hoping to get details on. If they implement the features I listed in my journal, THEN I'll have reason to get all Nintendo-hyped.

devilmaycry May 9, 2006 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprouticus
I'm pretty sure they said something about the game streaming audio directly to it.

Yeah? Then reduce these 2 hours battery life to 1.5 hours :D


BTW I hope they come to sense and do a black/gray version of the console since my experience tells me that pristine white devices that are so 'manipulated' like a gamepad gain countless stain in a blink.

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 06:07 PM

I'm not entirely crazy about the placement of the ZL and ZR buttons. The glory of L1/L2 R1/R2 is that you can use them with seperate fingers. I guess they're avoiding that design for something simpler.

I dunno, I really like that controller. It looks like it's going to be as comfortable as the SNES controller was, and that one was fucking prime.

FatsDomino May 9, 2006 06:13 PM

Please don't call it the Wiimulator, SOLDIER. It's got a name and it's Virtual Console. And no I don't think they're going to let you make your own levels and stuff like you've been hoping. I think they may retool some of the old games for online play or somehow add an additional play control using the Wii controller.

devilmaycry May 9, 2006 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprouticus
I dunno, I really like that controller. It looks like it's going to be as comfortable as the SNES controller was, and that one was fucking prime.

If it's anything like a Megadrive pad (and I know it is ;)) the yes, it's damn confortable................

vuigun May 9, 2006 06:17 PM

I can't believe how little was shown of Sonic wii.

I barely have enough info on it to past judgement on how the game will turn out. :(

Oh well, I guess I'll do it anyways....


Hey, that Sonic Wii game doesn't look that impressive. Get in the game Sega!

map car man words telling me to do things May 9, 2006 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilmaycry
BTW I hope they come to sense and do a black/gray version of the console since my experience tells me that pristine white devices that are so 'manipulated' like a gamepad gain countless stain in a blink.

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/994...ncewave5fo.gifhttp://img74.imageshack.us/img74/994...ncewave5fo.gifhttp://img74.imageshack.us/img74/994...ncewave5fo.gif

I'm sure Acer came up with the colors all by himself, and it's not like Nintendo ever provides their consoles in different colors.

SunkistTheHedge May 9, 2006 06:23 PM

Is that what the next mario gen game will be called! Super Mario Galaxy ?

Acro-nym May 9, 2006 06:25 PM

This seems like the best place to put this. Ooh, Wii is such an odd name.

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ft/2006/ft060509.gif

devilmaycry May 9, 2006 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwarky
I'm sure Acer came up with the colors all by himself, and it's not like Nintendo ever provides their consoles in different colors.

You never know... they've just picked the 2nd lamest gamepad ever (saturns 1st model pad was the crappiest) and made it worse, so don't be so sure.

FatsDomino May 9, 2006 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwarky
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/994...ncewave5fo.gifhttp://img74.imageshack.us/img74/994...ncewave5fo.gifhttp://img74.imageshack.us/img74/994...ncewave5fo.gif

I'm sure Acer came up with the colors all by himself, and it's not like Nintendo ever provides their consoles in different colors.

There were 5 colors shown by Nintendo. I did all of them except white because grey and white looked the same when I was making the gifs and it interfered with the shine I was trying to achieve. Plus I doubt they'd do more than 4 colors anyway. I expect only black and white at launch. I'm banking on getting a black Wii (oh god...).

map car man words telling me to do things May 9, 2006 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilmaycry
You never know... they've just picked the 2nd lamest gamepad ever (saturns 1st model pad was the crappiest) and made it worse, so don't be so sure.

No, you see, they've already showed the color range, last year, and every console (besides Virtual Boy) they've released since the Game Boy Pocket has been available in multiple colors.

Basil May 9, 2006 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprouticus
http://cube.ign.com/articles/706/706378p1.html

A NEW BONGO GAME!! DK Bongo Blast!

AND IT'S A RACING GAME!

Racing?? Holy crow, I'm getting this one.
I thought this would be another beat-the-bongos-to-a-song game (it isn't but this new game still uses the bongos, for a completely different manner).

Quote:

Originally Posted by neothe0ne
HOLY CRAP.

*huge image of Wii controller*

Looks like a SNES/PS2 hybrid :( I HATE the position of the D-pad in relation to the analog sticks in that controller...

I like it, actually. It already reminds me of the Super NES days, and having the two analog sticks is a very nice addition. I can't wait for this console already.

Motsy May 9, 2006 06:46 PM

Wow.

Nintendo (and Microsoft) win E3. That is all.

pompadork May 9, 2006 06:46 PM

From digg ~

http://press.nintendo.com/e32k6/index.html name: golin pass: harris You can find videos, screenshots, art work, fact sheets and much more on the Nintendo Wii here. In case this goes down, I tarred up all of the Wii related files, you can get it here: http://63.245.200.139/wii-press-all.tgz

FatsDomino May 9, 2006 06:58 PM

There shouldn't be any complaints over the standard controller. It's based off the SNES controller which is still in my opinion the best stand controller and is what every controller after it was based on.

My only complaint is that they keep treating the N64's c buttons like they were just a camera stick. There were games that did infact use the c buttons as buttons and those games will suffere as a result from going from a digital button to an analog stick. There's that grey area, diagonal directions, that will screw up what made sense with a digital button.

Take Starfox 64. C button left and C button down did speed up and slow down and with down on the analog stick it would do a loop or u-turn. Those would be screwed up with an analog stick for c buttons. Now they could recode it so you use x and y for those functions but they absolutely need a solid N64 layout. Perhaps those tiny fingertip z buttons by the shoulder buttons could solve some of that but I still think it's an oddball solution. It would have been better if they just did a genesis six button setup. That would have covered the N64 c button issue. Oh and there is still the B and A button issue where the location of Y is where B was for the N64 and where the location of B is where A was for the N64. But I'm glad they took the SNES layout. Best case scenario, they just let us map out the buttons the way we want and have controller profiles.

MeTaL_oRgY May 9, 2006 07:00 PM

I'm not quite sure why no one has mentioned it.. but...

Natsume (developed by Marvelous)
-Harvest Moon

GOD DAMN IT!! I NEED HM NOW!! It's just one of those games who bring memories so sweet it makes everything around me look bigger.

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 07:08 PM

Pom - NICE find! How did you dig this up?

Technophile May 9, 2006 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by of pom
From digg ~

http://press.nintendo.com/e32k6/index.html name: golin pass: harris You can find videos, screenshots, art work, fact sheets and much more on the Nintendo Wii here. In case this goes down, I tarred up all of the Wii related files, you can get it here: http://63.245.200.139/wii-press-all.tgz

Wow thanks! LOL, how'd you score this? I don't think this Golin Harris will be too happy about this. :biggrin:

Kesubei May 9, 2006 07:13 PM

I just woke up, so I missed the conference. I'm getting ready to watch it now. Did the intetnet explode or something as a result?

pompadork May 9, 2006 07:14 PM

To those asking how i got the press stuff, it was posted on digg.com, as is where that little paragraph is from. I thought you people might like ~

Cheezeman3000 May 9, 2006 07:23 PM

Does anyone think the reason the end of the conference was anti-climatic was because Sony has already decided to "copy" Nintendo in a way? I have a feeling they decided at the last minute to not reveal the super-secret thing about the system because Sony would have until November to copy it. Thoughts?

russ May 9, 2006 07:24 PM

I thought the super secret thing was the speakers in the controllers?

map car man words telling me to do things May 9, 2006 07:28 PM

I think they felt a bigger secret was the Wii Connect 24 thing. I'll just unplug it for the night anyway, but it's a nice concept.


Also:

http://myy.helia.fi/~a0400729/Pics/Yot06.jpg

Sorry, Sony and Microsoft are done, why lie.

J-Man May 9, 2006 07:29 PM

Anyone else think Red Steel looked like shit?

vuigun May 9, 2006 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwarky
Sorry, Sony and Microsoft are done, why lie.

They aren't done unless Nintendo can actually attract the Mainstream crowd with all of this. Last time I checked, Nintendo still isn't considered 'cool' by the masses.

map car man words telling me to do things May 9, 2006 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soniclover
They aren't done unless Nintendo can actually attract the Mainstream crowd with all of this. Last time I checked, Nintendo still isn't considered 'cool' by the masses.

Videogames in general are not considered cool by the masses, no matter what EGM or TV adverts try to tell you.
It was a joke, for pete's sake. As if even a ridiculously overpriced and money-losing console would even dent Sony, much less Microsoft.

vuigun May 9, 2006 07:37 PM

How was I suppose to know that was a joke? I don't know who pete is. ;_;

Kesubei May 9, 2006 07:38 PM

I'm only halfway through the presentation. Outside of the lame-ass trailer video, I'm really impressed by Nintendo so far. It seems that the graphics really are GC level. Haven't heard the price yet, though.

map car man words telling me to do things May 9, 2006 07:39 PM

And you won't, they didn't reveal it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by soniclover
How was I suppose to know that was a joke? I don't know who pete is. ;_;

I thought the glaring Megalith speak was a less than subtle hint, but I guess not :(

Ermac May 9, 2006 07:40 PM

Wow, reading through the first few pages of this topic without having seen the video is hilarious.

I'm downloading it from IGN now...8%. :(

Kesubei May 9, 2006 07:43 PM

Damn... At least it won't be $600.

Prime Blue May 9, 2006 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ermac
Wow, reading through the first few pages of this topic without having seen the video is hilarious.

I'm downloading it from IGN now...8%. :(

Go here and click on "Lo-Res Event Stream" in the Nintendo table on the right. That way you don't have to download the video before watching it. If it doesn't work properly close all other windows. The stuttering should be gone then. :)

Matt May 9, 2006 07:57 PM

Did anyone see that DS Browser stuff in the Press link Pom posted?

http://img424.imageshack.us/img424/5...serss028eb.png http://img424.imageshack.us/img424/9...serss049pd.png http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/3...serss076vk.png

HOLYCRAPZOMGWOOOOAAAAH!

Kesubei May 9, 2006 08:19 PM

Red Steel looks pretty crappy; Mario Galaxy looks a lot like Sonic Heroes. Nintendo's ideas has me excited, but I didn't see that many exciting games.

The Plane Is A Tiger May 9, 2006 09:20 PM

The DS's new wave of games alone beats out Sony's conference for me. Hell, I already imported "Dragon Quest - Rocket Booster" last month and it's enough fun to buy again in English. I honestly wasn't holding out much hope for Nintendo's E3 showing considering their recent history, but between the DS and the Wii this is looking to be an excellent year.

VitaPup May 9, 2006 09:27 PM

I did not know what to expect when nintendo announced the Rev way back when. After watching the Press Conference, however, I am now very excited for Wii. It really seams like it will be something special.

Soldier May 9, 2006 09:29 PM

http://myy.helia.fi/~a0400729/Pics/Yot06.jpg

The remote's a little small, isn't it? Yotsuba's a little 6 year old girl, so I don't think the remote should fit so comfortably in her hand.

(I reserved vol. 1 in my library)

MeTaL_oRgY May 9, 2006 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by of pom
From digg ~

http://press.nintendo.com/e32k6/index.html name: golin pass: harris You can find videos, screenshots, art work, fact sheets and much more on the Nintendo Wii here. In case this goes down, I tarred up all of the Wii related files, you can get it here: http://63.245.200.139/wii-press-all.tgz

You can also try:

Username: media
Password: E32006

HostileCreation May 9, 2006 10:15 PM

"Mario Galaxy looks a lot like Sonic Heroes."

Take that back right this instant.

I wasn't concerned at all about price, VC, or any of that jazz. That'll come in time, right now I just wanted to see footage, and as far as I'm concerned it looks fine.
I dunno if it'll improve significantly. That'd be nice. But I haven't seen anything on the PS3 or Xbox360 that's particularly amazing, either.
The graphical gap between Wii and the PS3 is so small as to be inconsequential. I know you can see the difference, but when you play it, if you're capable of having fun, that doesn't matter.

Yggdrasil May 9, 2006 10:27 PM

Wow, thanks to the guys who dug up those names/pass for that nintendo press kit thing. Awesome stuff.

Anyone else kinda bummed they didn't show any Super Smash Brothers details? I don't think they even mentioned it.

FatsDomino May 9, 2006 10:37 PM

Yggdrasil, if you had bothered to read the thread then yes you'd learn we are a tad dissappointed that Smash Bros wasn't shown.

Oh and I played around in photoshop a bit to create what I think is a better standard controller by adding two buttons. It now is perfect for N64 and Genesis games. I'm not sure what you'd call the two additional buttons, maybe 'w' or 'i'. 'z' and 'c' wouldn't make sense because of the SNES button layout. Anyway here it is:

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4...rwithsixfa.jpg

Wall Feces May 9, 2006 10:40 PM

That's snazzy, Acer. Tell Reggie before he leaves Los Angeles via jetpack!

Solis May 9, 2006 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HostileCreation
The graphical gap between Wii and the PS3 is so small as to be inconsequential. I know you can see the difference, but when you play it, if you're capable of having fun, that doesn't matter.

Uhh, the gap looks to be anything BUT small. Graphics are definitely not Nintendo's strong point this generation, which is the reason they want you to focus on the controller. But I don't see how people on a forum about game music can use the argument that aesthetic aspects don't matter to games...

Basil May 9, 2006 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AcerBandit
Oh and I played around in photoshop a bit to create what I think is a better standard controller by adding two buttons. It now is perfect for N64 and Genesis games. I'm not sure what you'd call the two additional buttons, maybe 'w' or 'i'. 'z' and 'c' wouldn't make sense because of the SNES button layout. Anyway here it is:

HUEG IMG LIEK WHUT

That design definitely is better IMO. The Genesis controls are obvious, but then, the Y button could be used as the N64's B button, the B button as the N64's A button, and the other 4 buttons as the C buttons. Pretty slick.

RushJet1 May 9, 2006 10:59 PM

you could probably call the blank buttons 1 and 2 or something unoriginal and boring

The Plane Is A Tiger May 9, 2006 11:07 PM

Nothing can be worse than the "black" and "white" buttons on the Xbox controller though. I've always hated those things with a passion.

Kesubei May 9, 2006 11:11 PM

What do you mean?! Those buttons were great for 2D fighters!

Zimarooski May 9, 2006 11:21 PM

My favorite part was that they were completely neutral to having a titled assignment. They were just colors.

Luxo May 9, 2006 11:24 PM

Acer's controller is pretty cool. I'm sure that it would pass as a rumour on a "alternative controller for Wii" later on.

The Plane Is A Tiger May 9, 2006 11:28 PM

Holy shit, major props to ZeroSlash for noticing Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney 2 on the upcoming DS game list! It's on the site Pom posted, but you have to click the upcoming games list in the upper right corner of the DS section.

Technophile May 9, 2006 11:36 PM

If you scroll down a tad bit, you'll see numerous screenshots of the upcoming DS, Cube and Wii games shown. http://gonintendo.com/

scotty May 10, 2006 01:07 AM

I hope at the least that there will be adapters for the snes, n64, genesis controllers to plug into the cube slots. I'm sure there will be on the net, but I don't like buying stuff off the internet because it requires me to convince my parents...

Malmer May 10, 2006 01:55 AM

Hell yeah, Acer!
Why not just make perfection from the start? They should definitely just make it happen, no question about it.

<3 pShop

FatsDomino May 10, 2006 02:41 AM

Thanks guys. =)

I got bored and decided to e-mail Matt at IGN to see if he might have anything to say about it during his next mailbag. It's a bit of a doozy.

Quote:

I'm sure you get shops all the time but I can't help but feel that Nintendo missed the point of having to remap buttons for GameCube's version of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time and The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask because of the lack of enough face buttons on the GameCube's controller to properly imitate the N64 controller's C buttons when I saw their Virtual Console controller today. If you recall those two games were remapped so that the Z button acted as C button down, Y as C button left, X as C button right, the C stick up as C button up with no actual face button, and an optional use of the C stick as the other C button directions as well.

This worked for those two games but now we're talking about making a controller that can or should support all of the N64 titles. And you know what; a second analog control stick does not cut it. There were titles that believe it or not used those N64 C buttons as buttons and not digital camera controls. For example, Zelda used those digital buttons for using three alternate weapons/items and Starfox 64 used them for boost, brake, making ROB shut up, and in addition to that were used in conjunction with the analog control stick pointing down to perform a loop or a u-turn. In both games C up was the only C button used to change the camera. So now I see this new controller for Virtual Console. It is impossible for Nintendo to get N64 games to work without remapping two of the C buttons to what I assume are two tiny Z buttons by the L and R shoulder buttons or by mapping them lazily to the second analog control stick. I don't really like either situation because if I want to play N64 games again I think the controls should also reflect their original setup. Jamming on a Zora fishbone guitar in Majora’s Mask was a much weaker experience on GameCube due to the C stick and remapped weapons compared to when I did it originally on the N64 where I could easily press multiple C buttons at the same time and very rapidly at that.

Plus there is that grey area that exists in using an analog stick for the C buttons. Suppose I do diagonally down and left. Does it register as C button left or C button down? This is crucial for a game like Starfox 64 because between those two I'm going to either get a boost or I'm going to get a brake. The original C buttons would never have this issue because being digital that grey area is nonexistent. I'm also sure there were fighting games on N64 that used a six button arcade setup. There's no way that is going to fly using the second analog stick for C buttons.

This controller is perfect for NES and SNES games. I don't want that changed but in order to recreate N64 control correctly I think adding two more face buttons for a Sega Genesis face button layout would make playing N64 games on the Virtual Console controller how they were meant to be played. Oh that's right! I mentioned something about a shop in my first sentence so here's my quickly put together photoshop of this setup.


http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4...rwithsixfa.jpg


I left the two buttons' faces blank because I'm not sure what they should be called. Perhaps 'w' and 'i' buttons would work. I believe the SNES button layout should be left alone since it is my belief that out of the three Nintendo consoles available on the Virtual Console the SNES will be the most popular which I also believe explains Nintendo's choice of putting the directional pad in the primary location instead of giving it the backseat location in favor of the analog control stick like they did for GameCube's controller. I'm pretty sure the location of the left analog control stick was also to make it easier for lazy multiplatform ports. It is my hope that third parties use it for that as little as possible.

Anyway, I think this setup allows the controller to cover all of Virtual Console more accurately to each supported console’s original controller setup. What do you think, Matt? I know this is a bit of an early reaction since Nintendo hasn’t gone over all the details of this controller as of the current date, May 10th, and heck they might actually have revealed that it somehow does play N64 games the way I described wonderfully by the time you read and/or by lucky chance respond to this very long e-mail. Thanks for your time and keep up the great work.

- AcerBandit -


Grubdog May 10, 2006 02:47 AM

Speaking of Matt IGN, he just revealed that Duck Hunt Wii is going to be revealed and playable tomorrow. Super Mario Galaxy will also be playable!

Capcom has also officially announced Resident Evil for Wii, but no details yet, hopefully it shows up in the next few days.

Forsety May 10, 2006 03:44 AM

MMM, Path of Radiance sequel (Fire Emblem) for the Wii starring Sothe. Somehow I had a feeling he would wind up being important. Pretty much clenches my purchase of the system.

Malmer May 10, 2006 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist
Wow. Seriously, watching this and the various games (Wii Sports for exemple) made feel like a kid again!

I can't wait to get my hands on one! Plus, tell me that was freakin' PILOTWINGS!!

This?

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2597/pilot2hl.th.jpg

Does anyone know what this in fact is?

FatsDomino May 10, 2006 04:01 AM

Look at the character in the plane. It looks like the same character used for all those simple sports games. I'm sure this is one of those small simple games as well. Looks nice but I doubt it's a full fledged Pilot Wings game.

somedude2387 May 10, 2006 04:31 AM

I'm loving all these vids from the Wii, I can't wait to get my hands on one. Something that struck me like a bolt of lightning though wasn't something from Reggie or Miyamoto but something my dad said. I just showed him one of those promo videos that I thought was great and said something like, 'maybe you could get into games too' and started telling him abouts all the cool innovations that the Wii has. He said to me 'yeh ok, is there a formula one game?'. I checked it out and it doesn't have one announced yet but ofcourse the PS3 does. That got me to thinking that although gamers like me who have grown up with every nintendo system think these innovations are great for games they still might not appeal to those new gamers that nintendo wants to pull in. I guess it's like how although ipods and other mp3 players are pretty cool, some people might just like sitting back and listening to a vinyl (not quite the same but it will do)

One last thing. Did anyone in Sydney see Ten news at 5 today because they showed the 'must have' Christmas toy this year, the PS3. It had some guy on there saying that play with joysticks was old school, and motion sensing was all new and awesome. I think that Nintendo will need some pretty leet marketting to combat with this free press that Sony's getting.

FatsDomino May 10, 2006 04:52 AM

Well it's not the same since it's more arcadish but he might be interested in Excite Truck.

Oh god I don't know why but that name always cracks me up. ='D
Truck is just a funny word to me for some odd reason.

map car man words telling me to do things May 10, 2006 05:24 AM

BIG DAMN TRUCK



Also, anyone interested, there's a 400x300 video of the whole Nintendo conference for download at
http://www.vgpro.com/file/15549_e320..._800k.wmv.html

There's direct downloads, but I used the torrent with 114 seeds, so dunno how the speeds are for those. The torrent came fast.
Although I have no idea why the page says it's 385.4 MB (404121190 bytes) when the file in the torrent is 260MB.

chaofan May 10, 2006 05:32 AM

w00!!! Although the conference was a bit shallow (expected the MOA Shows), the vids, screenshots and info on the games from tomorrow onwards will own us all.

See you tomorrow :biggrin:

Freelance May 10, 2006 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grubdog
Speaking of Matt IGN, he just revealed that Duck Hunt Wii is going to be revealed and playable tomorrow.

DUCK HUNT WII? O.O

Maybe the game will let you shoot other things, the neighbour's cat.

Chairman Kaga May 10, 2006 07:41 AM

Shoot the neighbour's cat?

Even better, that annoying dog. I'd buy a Wii for that alone.

Freelance May 10, 2006 08:16 AM

The dog had the right to laugh at you, not only because you can't hit the broad side of the barn, and the fact it is not right to shoot animals for sport, even if they're nothing but pixels and polygons.

Oh, and the only exception is the neighbour's cat.

Pez May 10, 2006 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by somedude2387
One last thing. Did anyone in Sydney see Ten news at 5 today because they showed the 'must have' Christmas toy this year, the PS3. It had some guy on there saying that play with joysticks was old school, and motion sensing was all new and awesome. I think that Nintendo will need some pretty leet marketting to combat with this free press that Sony's getting.

Better start saving then. The Australian IT section has the PS3 priced at $892 and $999. HDTV penetration is alreay low, and I can't anticipate that people will suddenly want a cheap Blu Ray player given the lack of movies and questions about what will be the defining new standard. If the Wii comes in priced at less than the core 360, I think we'll see a resurgence for Nintendo.

Sin Ansem May 10, 2006 11:25 AM

Much hope for Super Smash Bros. on the E3 floor today.

Square Enix and Sonic have pissed me off. Make my day better, Nintendo! You did yesterday!

Basil May 10, 2006 11:41 AM

Wait, there's more news being announced today? I thought it all happened yesterday. Oh well, I don't know how E3 schedules and events run.

Wall Feces May 10, 2006 11:48 AM

I hope the RE Wii isn't some lackluster Dead Aim port or something. A full-fledged RE5 with Wii aiming would be fucking amazing.

SketchTheArtist May 10, 2006 12:10 PM

It won't be RE5. I'm betting for a Survivor-type game. Which could be nice with the controller.

Can I say again that Wii is probably, right now, the best fuckin' thing I've seen out of all the E3s in the past years.

ramoth May 10, 2006 12:19 PM

An RE4-type game with Wii aiming would be fantastic.

I'd still like a real RE at some point though :tpg:

map car man words telling me to do things May 10, 2006 12:26 PM

Still no sign of the hi-res press conference video? Come on you IGN insiders, upload, upload :(

TheReverend May 10, 2006 12:33 PM

IGN Insider max rez for the Nintendo conference is 320x240....

Wishing now that i wasn't. :(

Basil May 10, 2006 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwarky
Still no sign of the hi-res press conference video? Come on you IGN insiders, upload, upload :(

It's on Neikon's FTP.

TheReverend May 10, 2006 01:48 PM

http://blogs.ign.com/AlloyNES/2006/05/10/17169/

First pics of light gun and sensor bar.
Notice the extra long cord for the sensor bar.
Also note the analog stick attached to the top of the light gun, perfect for one handed fps with gun in hand.

EDIT:

PS.... The Wii owns

SketchTheArtist May 10, 2006 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayvon
http://blogs.ign.com/AlloyNES/2006/05/10/17169/

First pics of light gun and sensor bar.

A Light Gun and an original controller to play the old titles!!!???

I NEED A Wii!!!!!!!!!!

Wall Feces May 10, 2006 02:15 PM

The light gun looks NASTY.

I only wish that instead of simply plugging in the wiimote you could attatch it like a clip. That would be kick ass.

SketchTheArtist May 10, 2006 02:21 PM

They designed so it'll be confortable to use. You even got a jostick on the air trigger.

Soldier May 10, 2006 02:27 PM

No trigger in the bottom=lame.

SketchTheArtist May 10, 2006 02:47 PM

Yes it has one. It's just not big, rather large.

map car man words telling me to do things May 10, 2006 02:48 PM

Wow, that gun looks awful. I hope they're not seriously going to go with that, so awkward. Anyone who's ever used a gun will be weirded out with having the "barrel" so low =x

Stealth May 10, 2006 02:49 PM

So, Red Steel will be crap. It won't have blood or gore. Graphics don't look that great.

Why even lie.

I'll stick to Zelda.

TheReverend May 10, 2006 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealth
So, Red Steel will be crap. It won't have blood or gore. Graphics don't look that great.

LOL. So your definition of "great" seems to be uber-grafix and blood/gore? LAME

Don't get me wrong, I like Gears Of War's demo reel, but I'm not so close minded to negate a game like Red Steel based on such superficial elements as "uber-grafix" and "gore".

SketchTheArtist May 10, 2006 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealth
So, Red Steel will be crap. It won't have blood or gore. Graphics don't look that great.

Spoken like a true gamer. /sarcasm

Stealth May 10, 2006 03:20 PM

It's great how you can use that as an excuse for bad graphics.

Wall Feces May 10, 2006 03:25 PM

I actually skipped out on playing any video games up until PS2 came out because I didn't like the stupid two-dimentional graphics. I thought the NES and SNES were stupid because they had bad graphics.

Anyway

IGN gives us some hands-on details on Zelda Wii. Looks like we can put our fears to rest - http://revolution.ign.com/articles/707/707152p1.html

WraithTwo May 10, 2006 03:29 PM

Ya know what? Before we saw gameplay, the one thing that kept ringing in my mind was this statement.
"PLEASE look like Gamecube, PLEASE look like Gamecube"

Honestly, they are going to get more interested customers buying their system with cool looking games and a cheap price tag then they would trying to match Sony and Microsoft in graphics, and end up being a more expensive system. This is something new, it is going to be a risk for many people to spend money on something this new. People will be more willing to give it a shot knowing that they don't have a lot invested in it.

- WraithTwo -

vuigun May 10, 2006 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WraithTwo
People will be more willing to give it a shot knowing that they don't have a lot invested in it.

It makes since but I don't know if it will work out that way. The same way the mainstream crowd buys $100+ priced shoes could be the same way they treat consoles.

I don't really know. I do know that a lot of people will flock to a system that has GTA though.

WraithTwo May 10, 2006 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soniclover
It makes since but I don't know if it will work out that way. The same way the mainstream crowd buys $100+ priced shoes could be the same way they treat consoles.

I don't really know. I do know that a lot of people will flock to a system that has GTA though.

Yes, I understand that, but I think the one thing that puts this strategy into its own is the Virtual Console. People will be interested in the controller, but buy it for a cheap way to play the older games, then be pulled into the newer titles.

Without a lower price tag, I doubt the system would be bought just for "old school" games.

- WraithTwo -

SketchTheArtist May 10, 2006 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealth
It's great how you can use that as an excuse for bad graphics.

So having graphics like, say, Resident Evil 4, they need to be qualified as bad?!

David Deluxe May 10, 2006 04:02 PM

My father just saw some parts of the Nintendo Press Conference and told me, that most of the games look like childish turd. Oh, and he also added that Iwata's way of talking sucks. ::explodes::

SketchTheArtist May 10, 2006 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Deluxe
My father just saw some parts of the Nintendo Press Conference and told me, that most of the games look like childish turd. Oh, and he also added that Iwata's way of talking sucks. ::explodes::

Your father's a great man. His vision and way of life will propel the human beings of the planet Earth into the futur.

Prime Blue May 10, 2006 04:05 PM

I watched the portion with the speaker announcement only a moment ago. The guy says:

"And this is where we can start finally to unveil some of the secrets that still remain about the controller."

Sounds like there's really more to it. Well, in Q4 we'll know everything.

Neogin May 10, 2006 04:13 PM

I thought the conference went alright. The tennis match was pretty cool. I just hope Nintendo announces more stuff about the Wii and DS. I hate the fact that Nintendo has to keep secrets from us, >_>

WraithTwo May 10, 2006 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prime Blue
I watched the portion with the speaker announcement only a moment ago. The guy says:

"And this is where we can start finally to unveil some of the secrets that still remain about the controller."

Sounds like there's really more to it. Well, in Q4 we'll know everything.

Yeah, I noticed that too on my second viewing.

Can't wait.

- WraithTwo -

David Deluxe May 10, 2006 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist
Your father's a great man. His vision and way of life will propel the human beings of the planet Earth into the futur.

If he'd actually play those games, he'd have some great fun, I'm sure about that. Well, however, I can't see my father playing a Wario Ware game anywhere in the future. He loves series like Resident Evil, Pilotwings and Ace Combat ( =O ) and actually has some gaming experience, but most likely the combination of some Japanese people doing "strange" stuff with the Wii controller and the fabulous Iwata were too much for him.

Technophile May 10, 2006 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neogin
I thought the conference went alright. The tennis match was pretty cool. I just hope Nintendo announces more stuff about the Wii and DS. I hate the fact that Nintendo has to keep secrets from us, >_>


I guess we'll see the real goods at TGS. Remember last year? All they did at E3 was show the shell of the cosnole. It wasn't till TGS that they showed they wiimote. (And their awsome idea still got stolen!). I expect to know pretty much everything by this year's TGS.

Soldier May 10, 2006 05:32 PM

Uh-oh, I just realized; the "new" RE game might be just a port of RE4, using the remote to control it. If they'll do it for Zelda, why not RE4?

I hope this won't become a trend, creating Wii versions of existing games. A different control scheme is not worth purchasing the same game again.

FatsDomino May 10, 2006 05:42 PM

SOLDIER, probably because it's been over a year since RE4 has been out and that would be a very stupid idea considering everyone has already played it when it came out on cube if they were smart or on PS2 a year later if they wanted more Ada missions, costumes, and PS2 graphics. But whatever I think they'll be making a completely new RE game. It just probably won't be RE5.

map car man words telling me to do things May 10, 2006 05:55 PM

I certainly won't be RE5. Nintendo's console might easily end up a dumping ground for spinoffs and "sidestories" like the GC did (besides Capcom's input of course). I doubt any of the major thirdparty franchises will be moving to Wii anytime soon, but if the spinoffs are good, who's to complain.

That said, I haven't read the E3 reports, but from what I've followed, I've yet to see a single Konami title. Has Konami announced anything actually noteworthy for the Wii yet?

TheReverend May 10, 2006 06:39 PM

It's a hit already :)

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/707/707362p1.html

Do check out some of the pics linked at the bottom. Or this link.

http://media.revolution.ign.com/arti...62/imgs_1.html

BTW: Pilotwings = Wii Sports: Airplane

http://media.revolution.ign.com/arti...g_3593256.html

map car man words telling me to do things May 10, 2006 06:48 PM

http://revolutionmedia.ign.com/revol...0041404885.jpg

Waaait wait wait, don't tell me the classic controller plugs into the wiimote and requires batteries, god no :(

EDIT:
Oh dear lord it does
http://users.skynet.be/fa036594/wiimote.jpg

Rats. So these things work on regular batteries instead of coming with a rechargable one?

TheReverend May 10, 2006 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwarky
It certainly won't be RE5. Nintendo's console might easily end up a dumping ground for spinoffs and "sidestories" like the GC did (besides Capcom's input of course). I doubt any of the major thirdparty franchises will be moving to Wii anytime soon, but if the spinoffs are good, who's to complain.

Do we really know this? I mean, its really very speculative. They named RE for gamecube before the system was released right? So what is different about this? This could easily be RE5 and all the better for it because the wiimote is pretty much perfect for it. I hope to God that it is RE5.

Sure SqEnix is using sideprojects, but that doesn't mean everybody will. Sonic, Madden, Red Steel, Call of Duty 3. With how well this show is going for Nintendo, I think alot of developers and publishers will want to take the jump to Wii.

Double Post:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwarky
http://revolutionmedia.ign.com/revol...0041404885.jpg

Waaait wait wait, don't tell me the classic controller plugs into the wiimote and requires batteries, god no :(

The Wiimote powers the nunchka doesn't it? That means the Wiimote should power this too (i think).

On a good note, by pluging in the classic controller, that should bring the cost down. A dummy plugin controller is ALOT cheaper than a stand alone wireless one. This brings the pack-in idea w/ the classic more probable.

HazelGuy May 10, 2006 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwarky
http://revolutionmedia.ign.com/revol...0041404885.jpg

Waaait wait wait, don't tell me the classic controller plugs into the wiimote and requires batteries, god no :(

EDIT:
Oh dear lord it does
[img]http://users.skynet.be/fa036594/wiimote.jpg[img]

Rats. So these things work on regular batteries instead of coming with a rechargable one?

I wouldn't worry about it. From what I understand they are rechargeable, with a very very long lasting battery 50-100 hours per charge.

Wall Feces May 10, 2006 07:02 PM

Quote:

With how well this show is going for Nintendo, I think alot of developers and publishers will want to take the jump to Wii.
There are other reaons to jump on the Wii bandwagon - cost. Check out this small piece from http://www.nintendojo.com/infocus/vi...php?1147230320

Quote:

Ubi Director Commends Wii, Shuns PS3

The creative director of Ubisoft Montreal had harsh words for Sony during an E3 workshop focusing on next-generation game design.

Clint Hocking, the creative director behind titles such as Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory explained how he was disappointed by Sony's attempts to copy technologies from the other consoles. After referring to Sony's mimicking of Xbox Live, and then duplicating components of Nintendo's motion sensitive controller, Hocking paused in frustration.

"How much more 'me too' can [Sony] be?," he asked.

Earlier in the discussion Hocking attacked the industry's strategy to up the ante in visuals significantly with each console.

It's a "fundamental problem of approach" to continue to push for stronger graphics, he said. He argued such an approach puts game developers in situations where they have to be factory workers. Assemble art texture here, model texture shades here. Repeat.

Further, Hocking claimed the adoption rate of high-definition televisions is so low, that the approach wastes resources on art that many customers won't even appreciate.

At the conclusion of the workshop, Hocking applauded Wii's new controller interface. If it can meet the technical accuracy promised by Nintendo, it can open up the creative minds of game designers, he said. While graphics may add emotion, Wii's new controller interface is more likely to bring emotion directly to the player.
I dunno, sounds logical to me.

map car man words telling me to do things May 10, 2006 07:04 PM

I dunno, lower development costs and more approachable development didn't exactly help the GC, despite what everyone thought.

If a developer feels a console won't reach their intended audience, they just won't bother, sadly. The business being as shallow as it is (as exemplified by the multiple naysayers in this thread as well), Nintendo may still risk being branded "for children" and this will sadly scare the living daylights out of most publishers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HazelGuy
I wouldn't worry about it. From what I understand they are rechargeable, with a very very long lasting battery 50-100 hours per charge.

If that's true (or even close to accurate), that's pretty comforting to know. So any news on someone uploading the hd video of the conference or my question?


Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwarky
That said, I haven't read the E3 reports, but from what I've followed, I've yet to see a single Konami title. Has Konami announced anything actually noteworthy for the Wii yet?


Infernal Monkey May 10, 2006 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayvon

BTW: Pilotwings = Wii Sports: Airplane

http://media.revolution.ign.com/arti...g_3593256.html

Oh. =x
I do hope there's still a Pilotwings game in super secret development. I guess I have to get Wii Sports when I get a Wii now. HAVE TO. Flying a plane into a mountain is an extreme sport!

Also some Virtual Console in action shooots are appearing on the internet!

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/650/grimage4pk.jpg

http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/05/IMG_8047.jpg

http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/05/IMG_8040.jpg

http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/05/IMG_8045.jpg

Soldier May 10, 2006 07:32 PM

Dare I say that Mario 64 has some spruced up color and texture?

chato May 10, 2006 07:36 PM

He doesn't look too polygonal ... I wanna see what Sonic the Hedgehog looks like ! :rolleyes:

Taterdemalion May 10, 2006 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwarky
That said, I haven't read the E3 reports, but from what I've followed, I've yet to see a single Konami title. Has Konami announced anything actually noteworthy for the Wii yet?

Elebits is your answer!

http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3story.h...930&pid=933005

Soldier May 10, 2006 07:43 PM

He asked about "noteworthy" games though. :rolleyes:

J-Man May 10, 2006 08:08 PM

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/1192/wiigun7ai.th.jpg

You wouldn't want to play an RE game with That?!

I like it.

SketchTheArtist May 10, 2006 08:11 PM

I'd play it with a dwarf.

Zeo May 10, 2006 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOLDIER
He asked about "noteworthy" games though. :rolleyes:

I guess since it's an unknown title, it's not worthy.


No.

SketchTheArtist May 10, 2006 09:07 PM

When will the rumored Star Wars Lightsaber game be announced?!! When?!!

TheReverend May 10, 2006 09:07 PM

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http://revolution.ign.com/articles/707/707504p1.html
Smash Bros. Brawl
Playable Characters unveiled!
by IGN Staff

May 10, 2006 - Nintendo just pulled a fast one on us. At an after-hours press briefing a mere minute ago, the company pulled another ace out of its sleeve: Smash Bros. Brawl -- the next installment in Nintendo's popular Super Smash Bros. series.

Details are just now rolling in, but we have confirmed the following playable characters:

# Pit (Kid Icarus)
# Solid Snake (Metal Gear Solid)
# Zero Suit Samus (Metroid)
# Meta-Knight (Kirby)

More as it breaks.
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Can wii say, hell yeah!!!!

Soldier May 10, 2006 09:09 PM

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# Solid Snake (Metal Gear Solid)
BULLSHIT!

I refuse to believe that. :O

Sin Ansem May 10, 2006 09:11 PM

Wow. That news is hitting everywhere.

Money goes we see a trailer on Friday.

SketchTheArtist May 10, 2006 09:11 PM

There's a thread about the announcement. And yes, Snake is in there.

evergreen May 10, 2006 09:18 PM

No way. Oh wait, let me join in the bold bullshit.

BULL-MUTHAFUCKIN'-SHIT!

Let's see Fox even try to blaster that Snake.

Wall Feces May 10, 2006 09:23 PM

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/707/707486p1.html

Metroid will also be a launch title.

Ho
Ly
SHIT

Can you say, best launch ever?

FatsDomino May 10, 2006 09:45 PM

Solid Snake? That confuses me but whatever. I'm guessing it'll use the traditional controller that is used for the virtual console.

Kostaki May 10, 2006 10:33 PM

I must reiterate it once again, because NINTENDO IS THE CHAMPION AND I APPROVE.

NINTENDO WINS E3.

That is all.

Solis May 11, 2006 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sprouticus
Can you say, best launch ever?

It's no Dreamcast yet. And I thought some source said SSBB wasn't going to be a launch title?

SketchTheArtist May 11, 2006 12:35 AM

It won't be a launch title but Metroid Prime 3 will be.

So right now, you've got Mario Galaxy, Zelda, Red Steel and Metroid Prime 3 confirmed for launch. That's pretty cool in my book.

Sin Ansem May 11, 2006 12:37 AM

I can wait for Smash in 2007. I just needed to know it's in production and it will be awesome. That is all.

Wall Feces May 11, 2006 12:43 AM

Wii = $249?

http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archi...s-new-details/

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This article was taken down last night at the request of EGM’s writing staff, but now that the Nintendo conference is over and spoken for, we’re throwing it back up here. For those of you that saw it last night and watched the keynote, take special note of how many of the facts turned out to be true.

Reliable NeoGAF poster koam has apparently grabbed ahold of the latest EGM, which spills the beans on some great Wii details - but this IS the Internet, so as usual, please take the news with a gigantic grain of salt. You know the drill by now. The general recap of the information said, however is:

- $249 Price tag
- Virtual Console (we knew this)
- 3d Controller (we knew this)
- ALWAYS online (console is always online, even when OFF)
- Built in speaker on the controller
- No improved graphics on Virtual Console (as in, they aren’t redoing the models, doesn’t talk about framerates and such).
- TG16 will have it’s 1st party games out at launch, 3rd party will come later as demand increases.
- Estimated prices for the VC are “a few dollars for NES, $5 for SNES and $10 for N64″
- VC games are pro-scan enabled.
- $250 “seems appropriate”
- More 3rd party exclusives than the Cube
I hope it's true!

Soldier May 11, 2006 12:45 AM

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I hope it's true!
I was hoping it'd be cheaper. And $10 for N64 game downloads is crap. You can buy the actual games for maybe less than that.

Wall Feces May 11, 2006 12:52 AM

I predicted $249 but was hoping for $200.

Still, $249 is still $150 less than the cheapest competition. You can't argue with that price!

Smash Bros. Want list-

Megaman / Protoman
Megaman X / Zero
Simon Belmont
Bionic Commando Guy (does he have a name?)
Vectorman
Locke (imagine him stealing items from opponents!)

I can't think of any more off the top of my head.

SketchTheArtist May 11, 2006 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sprouticus

Wow, seriously, at 249$ (roughly 300$CAN), that'd be freaking sweet and believable!

BurningRanger May 11, 2006 01:09 AM

It won't be 249... that's still too much. Don't get me wrong, I will buy a $250 Wii. I will buy it on LAUNCH day. But, for what Nintendo is aiming at here, they desperately need to be charging 200 or less for this system.

Grubdog May 11, 2006 01:20 AM

$249 is actually the price that EGM speculates it will launch at, same with the virtual console games prices. Whether or not they have hidden info that backs up this speculation, is unknown.

The Plane Is A Tiger May 11, 2006 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit
Solid Snake? That confuses me but whatever. I'm guessing it'll use the traditional controller that is used for the virtual console.

There was something cited in the Smash Bros. thread about being able to plug in your Cube controller and play with the same control scheme as Melee actually. That works for me, since Melee had a pretty intuitive setup.

Technophile May 11, 2006 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist
It won't be a launch title but Metroid Prime 3 will be.

So right now, you've got Mario Galaxy, Zelda, Red Steel and Metroid Prime 3 confirmed for launch. That's pretty cool in my book.

Wait, wait, wait, WHERE was it confirmed that Mario Galaxy's a launch title? If this really is true, then Wii will probebly have the best launch line up ever.

FatsDomino May 11, 2006 01:47 AM

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4642/220729ys.jpg

It seems the version on display at E3 has only one small should button instead of two that were shown in the press picture. It is still being decided if it will be packed in like the nunchuck attachment. You can tell that the big button on top is to be pressed to release something that is clipped onto the bottom of the controller. Most likely that'll be the wii controller it's already connected into that'll clip on for extra wii controller functions. That'll be sweet.

I'm dissappointed with seeing one of the small shoulder buttons being removed. They can't do N64 games right if they don't at least have those two extra shoulder buttons on reserve. The second analog control stick as N64 C buttons is a retarded idea and anyone who supports that idea is an idiot. Plus, the Sega games need six face buttons. This isn't hard, Nintendo. This really isn't. Just have six face buttons like the Genesis.

Oh and they better as hell pack this thing with the system and every controller bundle set. Developers might actually come up with creative ideas that might need it and the strapped wii controller in the future. Nintendo, would be alienating developers if every Wii user didn't have one of these for every Wii controller they buy.

Technophile May 11, 2006 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4642/220729ys.jpg

It seems the version on display at E3 has only one small should button instead of two that were shown in the press picture. It is still being decided if it will be packed in like the nunchuck attachment. You can tell that the big button on top is to be pressed to release something that is clipped onto the bottom of the controller. Most likely that'll be the wii controller it's already connected into that'll clip on for extra wii controller functions. That'll be sweet.

I'm dissappointed with seeing one of the small shoulder buttons being removed. They can't do N64 games right if they don't at least have those two extra shoulder buttons on reserve. The second analog control stick as N64 C buttons is a retarded idea and anyone who supports that idea is an idiot. Plus, the Sega games need six face buttons. This isn't hard, Nintendo. This really isn't. Just have six face buttons like the Genesis.

Oh and they better as hell pack this thing with the system and every controller bundle set. Developers might actually come up with creative ideas that might need it and the strapped wii controller in the future. Nintendo, would be alienating developers if every Wii user didn't have one of these for every Wii controller they buy.

I kind of think it'll backfire if they pack this in with the console. It might encourage developers to create games "the old way" as opposed to utilizing the core Wiimote. If it's sold seperately, it'll pretty much be certain that this'll only be used for the Virtual Console while the new Wii games definately strive to keep using creative control schemes with the wiimote. I think having that assurance is worth sacrificing new control schemes that use both the shell and the core wiimote. But meh, we'll see.

FatsDomino May 11, 2006 02:11 AM

Hmmm this is odd.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/795...10304229of.jpg

It seems they also have a version of the virtual console controller that appears to be wired from the top and has the two small shoulder buttons. I'm confused.

I think it would be better if it were packed in at least with the console so people can use the Virtual Console right away if they wanted. I think a developer is going to have to think very hard if they want to do a straight boring port. Nintendo consumers are very judgemental and don't like sloppy seconds. Ports didn't do very well when developers gave us crappy multiplatform port jobs so I think that they've learned from GameCube that that strategy won't worky. I still want it packed in with the Wii controller.

Double Post:
Also...

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7...10312426ky.jpg

It seems like they're going to be going with the DSlite colors.

Technophile May 11, 2006 02:20 AM

Yeah I see where you're coming from Acer. We'll see. One thing's for certain: Things for Wii are looking A LOT better than they have ever looked for GC developer support wise so far. So I'm not really super, super worried either way regarding the shell.

As for the two different picks...uh, maybe the first one was made way earlier but they still chose to use it? Judging from the background of the two pics, it seems like the first one's merely present for use with the Virtual Cosnole demonstration while the shell in the second pick seems to be the main subject of the display. Thus, suggesting that the second one's probebly what it'll really be like.

-EDIT-

Seems like Mario Galaxy probebly won't be a launch title :( (The face. Click it.)

I don't really mind. I don't want them to bust out all their big, super-giant franchises right away at launch and then have us wait for a long, long time for more sequels. We're already getting freaking Metroid and Zelda. That's enough.

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OMG, that blue wiimote is slick! I can only image a Wii in that creamy-blue color!

Simon Belmont May 11, 2006 02:41 AM

God, Im sickened by myself this past generation. I've neglected Nintendo, playing mostly PS2. No more! Nintendo is getting all my money next gen. Wii is so going to bring Nintendo back on top, where they belong! Seriously, Nintendo with out a doubt steals the show at E3. Fuck Sony and their shitty console (that I will still probably buy) made just for graphics. This is why I love Nintendo, their systems are serious fan-service. I am so happy with Nintendo's presence at the show, and all the amazing games coming out.

You know what, I love you so much for what you've done BigN that Im gonna splurge next month and buy a DS Lite. I just bought my original DS a few months ago, but I don't care, to show you my appreciation, Im gonna re buy it.

devilmaycry May 11, 2006 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by chato
He doesn't look too polygonal ... I wanna see what Sonic the Hedgehog looks like ! :rolleyes:

Me too! Dang I love that game!

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Originally Posted by sprouticus
I predicted $249 but was hoping for $200.

Still, $249 is still $150 less than the cheapest competition. You can't argue with that price!

WTF are you talking about?! XBox 360 costs 299€, 299€! The core pack costs that and it's the pack you should buy, since the Pro pack is filled with useless crap (harddrive is crap until more XBox games are supported). Also both are missing the only important cable, the VGA cable that you should use even if you connect to a HDTV instead of a monitor, provided that the TV supports it. And the pro pack dispite having a wireless pad it doen't include the play'n'charge kit, i.e. a rip off.

With a 249€ price tag that's pretty much suicide.


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Originally Posted by AcerBandit

Argh this pad is really the worst ever. If everyone uses the winged design for their pads there most be a good reason no?
It's been proved that this design creates less stress on the hands and wrists and it's more confortable on the long game session (YET it can still cause musculoskeletal disorders like carpic tunnel so watch out!).

But who cares about facts, let us hype! Hype I say!
And the worst thing is that everyone seems to appluad for no good reason :aargh: Are you all nuts? Or have you just lost common sense?

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Originally Posted by sprouticus
Can you say, best launch ever?

There won't be any best lauch ever unless Shenmue 3 lands, have said!

EDIT 2: WTF? Take a good look at the above pic... Nintendo is using those stupid triangular screws again!! ARGH! The console is MINE, the pad is MINE! I open it as many times I want and do what da f*ck I want with it, damn it! Maybe they are hidding lame pad internals like Gamecube's? At least the wire 'lock' seems to be using the same cheap trick GC did :rolleyes:

EDIT 3: BTW their efforts to keep me away are pathetic, I've shaped a regular screw driver into a 'nintendo screw driver' with my bare hand (and some tools ;)) so more luck next time!

NovaX May 11, 2006 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sum idiut
WTF are you talking about?! XBox 360 costs 299€, 299€! The core pack costs that and it's the pack you should buy, since the Pro pack is filled with useless crap (harddrive is crap until more XBox games are supported). Also both are missing the only important cable, the VGA cable that you should use even if you connect to a HDTV instead of a monitor, provided that the TV supports it. And the pro pack dispite having a wireless pad it doen't include the play'n'charge kit, i.e. a rip off.

With a 249€ price tag that's pretty much suicide.

250 US dollars is about 200€ if I know my currency, it's not 250€. I also have no idea what you are rambling on about here either.

David Deluxe May 11, 2006 07:51 AM

Well, actually they don't really care about converting the price from $ to € in Europe. $399/$499 for the Xbox 360 just became 399€/499€ over here and this should apply to nearly every console which was released during the last years.

devilmaycry May 11, 2006 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by David Deluxe
Well, actually they don't really care about converting the price from $ to € in Europe. $399/$499 for the Xbox 360 just became 399€/499€ over here and this should apply to nearly every console which was released during the last years.

Exactly!! It's the biggest rip off ever... well amost but still. INFACT when they say a price in US dolars most of the times the price over here it's higher!!!

For example:
Tomb Raider Legend for XBox 360

USA: $59
Europe: 69€

... WTF is all I can say :(

garthvadr3 May 11, 2006 08:49 AM

I think a 249$ pricetag is decent in comparison with the others, however, with the system specs being considerably lower than the competition, the price should be 150$ or 200$ at the very most.
On another note, some of the WEEEEE games look really good but others look like cheap ass GC ports. WHY THE F$ck. I hate crap like that, its what makes public opinion about systems power falsely speculated. All because a lame ass company wants to make a cheap quick buck on a crappy last gen conversion. Examples: Pixars Cars, Excite Truck, Tony Hawk Downhill, DragonBall Z and the other disney games. Crap like that will ruin the Wii making the non-tech savy folk who don't understand the industry think that it is just a Cube with a new controller.
Games that actually look good: SSMB, Mario Galaxy, Madden 07, Red Steel, Metroid 3, and Sonic.

Infernal Monkey May 11, 2006 09:07 AM

ExciteTruck does not belong in the same sentence as Dragonball Z. The BIG DAMN TRUCK racer is shaping up to be the best over-the-top arcade racer since San Francisco Rush.

Yes, DBZ and Cars did look like complete rubbish. They're ported clown meat filler for the launch, every console has them. 'Sup GUN for Xbox 360, Ridge Racer for DS, other example here, RC Revenge for PS2.

garthvadr3 May 11, 2006 09:17 AM

yea, well maybe the vids at IGN are just making excite truck look bad, but visually it just doesn't look like any better than what a GC can do. All systems have these crappy first gen games but for Nintendo, it is absolutly crucial that they show that 3rd partys can pump some decent visuals out of the system in order for them to compete with sony and microsoft's technical colossi. Because like it or not, visual upgrade in a next gen system along with innovation, is a very very important factor. Horsepower is not the only factor, but it IS an important factor.

FatsDomino May 11, 2006 10:03 AM

A preview of the Virtual Console
 


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Hands-On: We get some playtime with the twenty years of gaming, thanks to the Virtual Console.

One of the most highly anticipated releases for the Nintendo Wii when it launches later this year is not, after all, a single game, but thousands. Nintendo’s Virtual Console system, along with its download service, will allow gamers to enjoy some of the great history of the industry, from every Nintendo console as well as the Sega Genesis and Turbografx-16. Nintendo had a tech demo off the system on-hand today at its E3 pavilion. The current system is still a prototype, and only a simple menu and four games were shown, with no particular price point announced and a final interface for the Virtual Console still in the works.

That said, the menu system currently in place is simple and sleek. Showing a picture of the console the game is from in the background, each game entry features its title and a short description. Once gamers select that game, the system shows a screen describing the basic control layout for the title and then jumps immediately into play. Load times were nominal, averaging just a couple seconds. Gamers can quickly and easily leave a current game and return to the menu system by simply pressing the Wii remote’s “Home” button. It is important to point out that doing this will end your game in the same way turning off the emulated systems did; in other words, gamers should not expect the action to freeze in the background infinitely as they search for other games and should be sure to save their progress in games before exiting.

On display today were four titles, Super Mario Bros. for the NES, Super Mario 64 for the Nintendo 64, Sonic the Hedgehog for Sega Genesis and Bonk’s Adventure for the Turbografx-16. Super Mario Bros. was exceptionally clear on the system, which has upconverted these classic titles to 480P video. Sonic the Hedgehog played at a framerate possibly higher than the original Genesis offered; for example, when losing a significant amount of rings, the Wii did not drop its framerate like the Genesis often did. Super Mario 64 looked just fine on the system, once again showing an appreciable difference in picture clarity from the upconvert to 480P.

However, the hardware and software is only half of the story. The new games are controlled via the Wii’s “Classic Controller” peripheral. The peripheral- the Classic actually is connected to the standard Wii remote via the same extension socket that the nunchuck uses- is similar in shape to the Super Nintendo’s controller and features a button layout reminiscent of Sony’s DualShock design. I found the button setup to be friendly and familiar for the most part, with only two potential issues. First, the joysticks are a little too close for someone with relatively large thumbs. I found myself often bashing my knuckles together when using both at the same time. This will be a major issue, because the second joystick replaces the Nintendo 64’s C-buttons, thereby promising a lot of dual-joystick action with games from that platform. Secondly, the Z button has been moved to the same shoulder side as the R-button, similar to the layout of the Gamecube’s controller. This doesn’t matter with NES/SNES/Gensis/Turbografx titles, but may pose an issue with Nintendo 64 titles. While I adapted quickly to the new scheme for Mario 64, games like Ocarina of Time and Goldeneye would be best served with a remapped control scheme, as the Z-button is inconvenient for titles like those that use it often.

Overall, the Virtual Console system results in impressive versatility from the beginning of the gaming industry on to the present. The games all benefit from the extra progressive scan support, and also seem to actually see some minor improvements in areas where the original hardware was not powerful enough to sustain the software. This should remain on every gamer’s list of reasons to own a Wii, as its potential is seemingly unlimited.

potato bins

Luxo May 11, 2006 11:48 AM

According to the press.nintendo.com website, the media:E32006 user/pass will be available until May 30. I downloaded the entire site (around 700 Mb.) and can upload it somewhere if needed. If the videos aren't needed I can strip a good 200 mb.+ out of it, so, tell me what do you need.

map car man words telling me to do things May 11, 2006 12:06 PM

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and features a button layout reminiscent of Sony’s DualShock design.
Idiots.

The analogue stick placement is similar to the Dual Shock. The button layout is identical to the SNES controller's setup, which the Dual Shock then copied.
Last I checked, an analogue stick is not a set of buttons and it utterly confounds me why they'd acknowledge the shape of the pad, but fail to acknowledge who made the layout in the first place.

Goddamn misinformed "information". It's crap like this and the guy on the news talking excitedly what a revolutionary concept the Dual Shock 3's movement sensor is that pisses me off. IT'S NOT EVEN A MOVEMENT SENSOR, IT DOES NOT DETECT MOVEMENT YOU ASSMONKEYS.

Solis May 11, 2006 12:24 PM

Uhh, I'm a little worried about what they say regarding "upconverting". They say that Mario 64 was "upconverted" to 480p, but shouldn't it be playing 480p natively? It wouldn't make sense to render the game in 320x240 and then upconvert it to 640x480 when they could just run it at 640x480 to begin with. I hope they just didn't know quite what they were talking about.

devilmaycry May 11, 2006 12:28 PM

I just had this underfull idea and I'm asking you guys if you know anything about it and what do you think too.

The Wii has Gamecube ports isn't it? That means you use the Gamecube controllers with it? That would kill half the pain of the Wii (sorry all but the classic Wii pad just found it's way to the 1st place of my most hated pads ever)

Also the Wii has USB ports too... does that mean I can use USB pads with it like... say... a XBox 360 USB pad or a Sidewinder? That would be utterly sweet (but unlikely)!!

Anyway, since the Wii can (probably) use GC pads wouldn't it be awsome if the game devs had an option to use the standard controler or the Wiimote? Like we have today button configuration (free button assignment), screen configuration (4:3/16:9) and sound configuration (mono/stereo/surround) wouldn't it be great if the had controler type configuration (classical/remote)?

That would definitely put me in the Wii bandwagon not only because Sonic Wildfire looks better than the 360 Sonic but also because it would show that Nintendo respects our choices regardless of their stand, a truly democratic console I say!!
And if you think about it...why not? Afterall isn't choice a good thing? The freedom to use whatever pad best fits you and your kind of game. At least that's what OpenSource™ dudes are always saying.


So what do you have to say to the guy (and gals if any)?

Matt May 11, 2006 12:39 PM

I figure this is the best place to put this.

Over at Joystiq (I know, I should just stop reading that site :( ) they've started to write off Nintendo's Wii, citing overheard conversations.

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Overheard at E3:

Gamer 1: So what do you think of Wii?

Gamer 2: I like it but I want to like it more.

This short snippet captures a sentiment that we're hearing more than just once on the show floor. There's a sense that people who are really rooting for Nintendo want to believe that this is the promised breakthrough that gamers have felt is necessary. In other words, we buy the argument that gaming must be kept fresh, but we may not be buying Nintendo's freshmaker.

Joystiq reader and contributor Darth Pixel (5 stars) concurred in his response to our post on Madden for Wii. He wrote, "You see, the gaming world is so desperate and sick of the direction gaming has taken during the past few years that every gamer and their dog hang onto any glimpse of a possibility of something different and new."
I don't know about you guys, but I agree with some of the comments posted inside the article. Like most of them are saying, people were skeptical about the DS and figured the PSP would trump it because it had better graphics.
Yet here we are today, with the DS leading the handheld market and flooded with great games, while the PSP has a handful of original stuff and the rest all ports of PS2 games gone awry.

speculative May 11, 2006 02:49 PM

Just thought of something else - with Opera as the web browser for the Wii, we should be able to use "mouse gestures" by moving the Wii controller. :ninja:

SketchTheArtist May 11, 2006 03:06 PM

SUPER MARIO GALAXY NOT MAKING Wii's LAUNCH

I thought I heard it was gonna be a launch title but sadly, they announced today that it wasn't gonna make the launch. But it'll supposedly arrive in the six months window of the launch.

Kilroy May 11, 2006 03:24 PM

A bit sad, really... I would soooo have bought Wii if Mario was a launch title. Sure, we (pun intended) still have Metroid Prime 3 (Oh yeah, and Zelda too), but other than that I really haven't seen anything really great. Smash Brothers has always been 'meh' in my book, and the sports titles and such, like Wario ware, which I think is tosh, just doesn't appeal to me...

Soldier May 11, 2006 03:38 PM

Keep dreaming if you think Metroid Prime 3 will make launch. Last I checked, Retro has repeatedly delayed every game they ever made.

It really is too bad. Mario and Smash Bros would've been enough to convince me to buy a Wii at launch. :(

BurningRanger May 11, 2006 04:21 PM

It might be for the best that some of the games won't be ready at launch. I know when Dreamcast launched, there were so many awesome games that I couldn't figure out which one I wanted first. (luckily, Soul Calibur was so far above the rest that it was an easy choice.)

FatsDomino May 11, 2006 07:13 PM

SOLDIER, if you knew anything about Retro Studios you would know why the first Metroid Prime was delayed time and time again. They were in an internal company crisis for the longest time before Miyamoto came in and bitch slapped the lot of them into the fine company they are today. And if you're referring to the delay for Hunters you are wrong again since that was made by NST. Metroid Prime 3 has been slated for launch and I expect it there with Twilight Princess and a whole bunch of games.

Also, I imagine Super Mario Galaxy will be in the launch window somewhere between late 2006 and early 2007. The game looks to have way too much polish to not be very deep in development.


And Qwarky, my sentiments exactly. I'm tired of the total dual shock reference as well. It's an SNES pad with two analog control sticks placed in dual shock layout.

devilmaycry, you won't be seeing a lot of Wii titles supporting the cube controllers. A lot of the functions that the Wii controller and analog attachment provide won't be able to be recreated on a cube controller.

The Plane Is A Tiger May 11, 2006 07:22 PM

Have they announced any Wii games that could be played with the Cube controller too, aside from Smash Bros. Brawl? I personally like that decision, since the control scheme in Melee was excellent for combat and didn't really need any fine-tuning anyway. I can't see it being a very good decision for many other games though, since it would only cause complaints of Nintendo releasing "old generation" stuff on the Wii.

Free.User May 11, 2006 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist
Wow, seriously, at 249$ (roughly 300$CAN), that'd be freaking sweet and believable!

You might want to check that again.

$249.00 USD = $274.037 CAD

$1 USD = 1.10055 CAD
$1 CAD = 0.908638 USD

You'd better beleive it.

FatsDomino May 11, 2006 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tritoch
Have they announced any Wii games that could be played with the Cube controller too, aside from Smash Bros. Brawl? I personally like that decision, since the control scheme in Melee was excellent for combat and didn't really need any fine-tuning anyway. I can't see it being a very good decision for many other games though, since it would only cause complaints of Nintendo releasing "old generation" stuff on the Wii.

No, and I think SSBB will be the exception to the rule. I wouldn't expect it outside this game.

Think about it. How much longer after Wii is released will retailers still be selling new GameCube software, hardware, and accessories. Cube controllers would have to be easily available for consumers everywhere for people to get for that option to be used. I just don't see that happening. And no, for official support counting on resale stores like EB and Gamestop for old controllers does not count.

Soldier May 11, 2006 08:40 PM

Aren't all the Gamecube games fully compatible with the Wii? I'd imagine they'd still be selling the controllers if nothing else. Or was this feature dropped?

FatsDomino May 11, 2006 08:57 PM

Yes, they are. It's possible that they'd still sell controllers for that but for how long. But I expect that support is for people who own a cube, have games and controllers already, and want to play them on the system.

Infernal Monkey May 11, 2006 09:25 PM

Oh my.

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While speaking with Hudson Soft today, IGN learned that the company will bring upwards of 100 titles to Nintendo's Virtual Console. As developer of such classics as Lode Runner, Bomberman, and Bonk, this news is huge for fans of games long past. But that's not all, the news gets even bigger.
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Hudson Soft is currently attempting to acquire rights to other third party games to release on the Virtual Console, the company revealed to IGN on Thursday. Developers who no longer exist as actual companies could still see their games make the way to Nintendo's system for downloading. According to one Hudson Soft representative, they "have every single one of [their] lawyers checking into it."
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Currently, Bonk's Adventure from the Turbografx is the only actual title announced from the company, and is available to play at Nintendo's E3 booth. Hudson seems to be looking for feedback from gamers on what titles they'd like to see though. IGN was quick to suggest Adventure Island, the classic released on the NES. A knowing smile and "that is important for us to know, thank you," was our reply (so if Adventure Island shows up on the VC, you may thank us personally).
Bob's House of Hardware

I will need ALL THE BONK/B.C KID GAMES and Super Bomberman 3 thanks Hudson.

NovaX May 11, 2006 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist
SUPER MARIO GALAXY NOT MAKING Wii's LAUNCH

I thought I heard it was gonna be a launch title but sadly, they announced today that it wasn't gonna make the launch. But it'll supposedly arrive in the six months window of the launch.

Miyamoto said he wasn't going to promise it at launch only to have to break the promise later. It could still be a launch title, it's just nothing it concrete.

Free.User May 11, 2006 09:57 PM

Not sure if anyone else noticed this, but:

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/8243/mbt2ib.png

That's the Mario theme!

Grubdog May 11, 2006 10:48 PM

Check this out guys, the Wii line - http://www.gamespot.com/pages/profil...iM2l2H65bsMuj4

6 hour wait to play Wii games! PS3 and Xbox 360 wait is just 5 minutes.

Wall Feces May 11, 2006 10:52 PM

Bah haha, that's INSANE.

I don't know if I could wait that long standing up... It would be tempting though.

scotty May 11, 2006 11:00 PM

there are a couple people playing DS in the line, its a good place to wifi and make the line up more worth it

TheReverend May 12, 2006 12:26 AM

Figured I'd post this hear just so you all are better informed.

http://media.revolution.ign.com/arti...93/vids_1.html

Matt Cassamassina: "What about the classic controller and the light zapper? Are these gonna be something sold seperately?"

Perrin Kaplan: "We have not made a final decision yet, I think that they will probably be sold seperately, in that, the nunchuka and the wiimote will be part of the pack-in."

BurningRanger May 12, 2006 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Free.User
Not sure if anyone else noticed this, but:

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/8243/mbt2ib.png

That's the Mario theme!

Good eye... I actually thought you were making an OMG THERE'S A SPEAKER IN THE WIIMOTE post but that was actually a pretty cool detail for them to put in that picture.

WraithTwo May 12, 2006 02:03 AM

BTW, anyone else realized that with dual Zappers, the analog stick allows for the player to control their character and two weapons, all independant of each other. Hell, you could even use the zapper for movement and shooting, and use a standard controller as a knife, sword or something else!

Greatest idea ever, Nintendo.

- WraithTwo -

BurningRanger May 12, 2006 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayvon
Figured I'd post this hear just so you all are better informed.

http://media.revolution.ign.com/arti...93/vids_1.html

Christ it hurt to watch that video. You could cut the sexual tension with a knife.

FatsDomino May 12, 2006 03:08 AM

Yeah, but from that video you learn that there are still more secrets to the hardware that haven't been revealed which is great. I enjoyed the video. It was fun. =)

devilmaycry May 12, 2006 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit
devilmaycry, you won't be seeing a lot of Wii titles supporting the cube controllers. A lot of the functions that the Wii controller and analog attachment provide won't be able to be recreated on a cube controller.

That sucks ass then, if they don't have the burden of developing the game in HD can't they take that extra time to do an alternate control scheme? 'Cause you know Wii games will cost as much as a 360/PS3 game (belive else and you are naive at best).

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Originally Posted by Dayvon
Perrin Kaplan: "We have not made a final decision yet, I think that they will probably be sold seperately, in that, the nunchuka and the wiimote will be part of the pack-in."

Having in mind just how much a very simple RGB cable costed me and how much it used to cost at lauch, I can only wonder the cost of these add ons... IMHO 30£ for sure, the RGB cable costed 25£ during the first times.

Oh... I've just noticed the seller at Amazon.co.uk that selled RGB cables t 9.99£ has disapeared. Damn he must've went out of stock in blink! Thank god/alah/budha I got mine in time, now if only I could get that RE4 at 9.99£....:fishing:

FatsDomino May 12, 2006 04:30 AM

Can you please stop making retarded assumptions please?

The development using the Wii controller has been said to be fairly easy and since it's based off GameCube development kits it is very easy and cheap to develop on the Wii. The devkits cost less than even the PSP devkits.

Iwata has already stated that all Wii videogames from Nintendo will be at max $50. He said that for short, simple, budget games they may sell at $20 or $30 and/or be sold online via the virtual console for a low price. Third parties such as EA may up the price to $60 or $70 dollars like they have for 360 games because they're assholes but that remains to be seen.

As Perrin Kaplan said, they are still figuring out what to pack together when selling controllers. Right now it looks like the zapper and Virtual Console controller will be sold separately and the wiimote and nunchuck attachment will be sold together. Personally, I'd love to have them all bundled together if it didn't cost too much.

Nintendo is looking to sell these at low affordable prices so you can get the most enjoyment out of your system with friends and family. It's part of their crede for Wii that they want the system to be inclusive so I can't imagine them being very expensive. Whatever they come up with I'm sure will be good.

Infernal Monkey May 12, 2006 05:54 AM

Haha nice, Kaplen actually made sure to include Australia when Matt asked about the Worldwide launch. <3

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Originally Posted by devilmayheavensmile
'Cause you know Wii games will cost as much as a 360/PS3 game (belive else and you are naive at best).

Oh okay, you are obviously someone in the know. A Mr. Nintendo, even.

devilmaycry May 12, 2006 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit
The development using the Wii controller has been said to be fairly easy and since it's based off GameCube development kits it is very easy and cheap to develop on the Wii. The devkits cost less than even the PSP devkits.

In that sense PC game should all cost 10€ since DirectX SDK is free ... maybe MS charges for somekind of Visual Studio for games but DX is free (AFAIK ofcourse).

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit
Iwata has already stated that all Wii videogames from Nintendo will be at max $50.

Playing Nintendo 1st party games? :-S Just thinking of it makes me sick, the only 1st party game I have for Gamecube it's Eternal Darkness and it's not even true 1st party... Zelda Twilight Princess might be worth playing but I've played so many Zeldas that I dunno... maybe when the game gets to the 15€ mark.

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit
He said that for short, simple, budget games they may sell at $20 or $30 and/or be sold online via the virtual console for a low price.

In that huge 512Mb flash drive? BTW what will be the real available space after format? 500Mb probably... anyway I'm not looking forward to play games I can get for free on SourceForge.

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit
Third parties such as EA may up the price to $60 or $70 dollars like they have for 360 games because they're assholes but that remains to be seen.

They may be assholes but they're rich and their games still sell, while we (or at least I) are still poor. :lolsign:

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit
As Perrin Kaplan said, they are still figuring out what to pack together when selling controllers. Right now it looks like the zapper and Virtual Console controller will be sold separately and the wiimote and nunchuck attachment will be sold together. Personally, I'd love to have them all bundled together if it didn't cost too much.

Do I need to mention again the price of the RGB cable? This one just cracks me up cause these cables cost 1€ to assemble. No they ain't selling these neat add-on for 50 euro cents.

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit
Whatever they come up with I'm sure will be good.

Good would be an alternative control scheme using a regular pad in every game, that would great not just good.

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Originally Posted by Infernal Monkey
Oh okay, you are obviously someone in the know. A Mr. Nintendo, even.

Nah... I just do some pink magic in my free times so I can see the future sometimes, other times I just see the past :-S Will try yellow magic one of this days since people say it's hardcore stuff

FatsDomino May 12, 2006 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by devilmaycry
In that sense PC game should all cost 10€ since DirectX SDK is free ... maybe MS charges for somekind of Visual Studio for games but DX is free (AFAIK ofcourse).

Well let's put it this way. FOR CONSOLES the Wii devkits are the cheapest.

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Originally Posted by devilmaycry
In that huge 512Mb flash drive? BTW what will be the real available space after format? 500Mb probably... anyway I'm not looking forward to play games I can get for free on SourceForge.

That's internal. There is upgradable SD flash for more room plus you can use the USB ports for external harddrives.

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Originally Posted by devilmaycry
Do I need to mention again the price of the RGB cable? This one just cracks me up cause these cables cost 1€ to assemble. No they ain't selling these neat add-on for 50 euro cents.

I have no idea how it is in Portugal but I'm pretty sure the accesories and controllers will be reasonably priced. Nintendo isn't Sony.

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Originally Posted by devilmaycry
Good would be an alternative control scheme using a regular pad in every game, that would great not just good.

Not going to happen. You won't see either cube controllers or that traditional controller created primarily for the virtual console used in many Wii games. If you don't understand why then you're missing the point of why Wii was created.

VitaPup May 12, 2006 10:10 AM

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In that huge 512Mb flash drive? BTW what will be the real available space after format? 500Mb probably
I was wondering about that. Is that really enough space to store a bunch of downloaded games from the VC and their save files ?

FatsDomino May 12, 2006 10:23 AM

Alone? Probably not unless Nintendo has a way to have games compressed really well, form a list of downloaded games that can be redownloaded quickly if space is needed for newer downloads, and keeps the savegame data. Then that amount of space could work.

I think Nintendo is going to recommend that if you're serious then you upgrade to a bigger SD card for more storage and/or use an external harddrive via the USB ports.

Sarmoti May 12, 2006 10:26 AM

Has it been stated yet on how the Wii will store data? I'm aware of the flash drive but will you be able to use memory cards or another alternative for storing data? I imagine those 512 MBs getting filled awfully fast with the VC.

FatsDomino May 12, 2006 10:28 AM

Officially, no. The specifics haven't been stated completely yet. I work off of bits and pieces of stated information, a bit of speculation, and common sense. Read my last two posts again, dude.

Kilroy May 12, 2006 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit
I have no idea how it is in Portugal but I'm pretty sure the accesories and controllers will be reasonably priced. Nintendo isn't Sony.

I hate to add fuel to the fire, but the weird thing is that Nintendo in some cases are more expensive than Sony in Denmark. Just look at this:

Nintendo Memory Card 251: $50.99
Sony Memory Card: $28.82

Nintendo Gamecube Controller BLACK: $59.51
Sony Playstation Controller: $39.05

As much as I hate to say it, the accessories are actually the most expensive about Nintendo consoles. This also concerns games, which almost comes up to the prices of PS2 and Xbox 360 games. (The latter is by far the most expensive. Example: The price for Elder Scrolls: Oblivion collectors edition was $102.31... Sadly, I had to settle with the normal edition. ($93.79))

Megalith May 12, 2006 10:43 AM

You'll eventually be spending more for the Wii because of the 900 "optional" accessories.

FatsDomino May 12, 2006 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kilroy
I hate to add fuel to the fire, but the weird thing is that Nintendo in some cases are more expensive than Sony in Denmark. Just look at this:

Nintendo Memory Card 251: $50.99
Sony Memory Card: $28.82

Nintendo Gamecube Controller BLACK: $59.51
Sony Playstation Controller: $39.05

As much as I hate to say it, the accessories are actually the most expensive about Nintendo consoles. This also concerns games, which almost comes up to the prices of PS2 and Xbox 360 games. (The latter is by far the most expensive. Example: The price for Elder Scrolls: Oblivion collectors edition was $102.31... Sadly, I had to settle with the normal edition. ($93.79))

Um, maybe in Denmark, but here in the United States it's the opposite but not to such an extent. Man, you guys are getting screwed. Go yell at your retailers or at Nintendo or whoever is making that deal for you guys or something. That shit is ridiculous. ='D

devilmaycry May 12, 2006 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit
Well let's put it this way. FOR CONSOLES the Wii devkits are the cheapest.

True.

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit
That's internal. There is upgradable SD flash for more room plus you can use the USB ports for external harddrives.

That costs more money

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit
I have no idea how it is in Portugal but I'm pretty sure the accesories and controllers will be reasonably priced. Nintendo isn't Sony.

Haha, good one, infact in Portugal... or at least in the portuguese branch of Media Markt (a know european tech stuff store) Gamecube and the available acessories are the cheapest in the entire world! (AFAIK)
For example a GC controller costs 9.99€! Unbelivable!
Any GC game available costs 9.99€ too! Including Zelda wind Waker Special edition with the N64 zeldas
I got my Gamecube including a game (pokemon) and a official memory card 59 for the absurd price of 49€! 49 Euros!

Unfortunly AFAIK here it's the only place on the world where you can get this prices, so when I have to buy stuff that's not available like a RGB cable I have to order from UK and deal with RealWorld prices, and Nintedo's are far too high.
A 360 RGB cable cost 18£ R.R.P (recomended retail price) while gamecube's RGB costs 19£ as a bargain (R.R.P. in UK is 25£). I got mine in a Amazon seller bargain for 10£ ut it's already gone, don't bother looking for it.


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Originally Posted by AcerBandit
Not going to happen. You won't see either cube controllers or that traditional controller created primarily for the virtual console used in many Wii games. If you don't understand why then you're missing the point of why Wii was created.

Bah I say.

FatsDomino May 12, 2006 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by devilmaycry
That costs more money

The cost for SD memory keeps coming down all the time. And versus 40 more gb for the real PS3 console for a jump of $100 you can get an external harddrive with much more space for the same price.

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Originally Posted by devilmaycry
Haha, good one, infact in Portugal... or at least in the portuguese branch of Media Markt (a know european tech stuff store) Gamecube and the available acessories are the cheapest in the entire world! (AFAIK)
For example a GC controller costs 9.99€! Unbelivable!
Any GC game available costs 9.99€ too! Including Zelda wind Waker Special edition with the N64 zeldas
I got my Gamecube including a game (pokemon) and a official memory card 59 for the absurd price of 49€! 49 Euros!

Unfortunly AFAIK here it's the only place on the world where you can get this prices, so when I have to buy stuff that's not available like a RGB cable I have to order from UK and deal with RealWorld prices, and Nintedo's are far too high.
A 360 RGB cable cost 18£ R.R.P (recomended retail price) while gamecube's RGB costs 19£ as a bargain (R.R.P. in UK is 25£). I got mine in a Amazon seller bargain for 10£ ut it's already gone, don't bother looking for it.

Wow, I never knew you guys were so lucky. If you get mostly everything for cheap then you really shouldn't be complaining when you go and buy something you can't find in your area for a more realistic price. =p

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Originally Posted by devilmaycry
Bah I say.

Ah, I'm sure you'll come around to liking it. At least SSBB will be using the cube and traditional controllers for your tastes for the meantime. Don't expect to see that too often though.

devilmaycry May 12, 2006 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit
Wow, I never knew you guys were so lucky. If you get mostly everything for cheap then you really shouldn't be complaining when you go and buy something you can't find in your area for a more realistic price. =p

These seem pretty fair prices to me :D It's paing more that's unfair :lolsign:
But don't get that excited, you wont get more GC at 49€... all GC (at least that I know) have disapear from the country. What were you expecting?

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit
Ah, I'm sure you'll come around to liking it. At least SSBB will be using the cube and traditional controllers for your tastes for the meantime. Don't expect to see that too often though.

I would laugh if it's the reverse, you trying the new pad and finding out that it's crap :D but whatever.

Kilroy May 12, 2006 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit
Man, you guys are getting screwed. Go yell at your retailers or at Nintendo or whoever is making that deal for you guys or something. That shit is ridiculous. ='D

I know, I really do:( That's why I keep getting extremely annoyed everytime someone complains about games costing over $50. (Bargain, if I could buy brand new games at that price)

FatsDomino May 12, 2006 11:21 AM

Why can't you just import? Does it end up costing the same due to shipping? Or is it because of your PAL TVs?

I mean I'd do that if those weren't problems or something.

Kilroy May 12, 2006 11:27 AM

PAL is a problem, but I think a freeloader could change all that. There are websites offering those delicious US games relatively cheap, but I've never really gotten into it.
With that in mind (and trying to get back on topic) I'd happily swap the VC for an all singing all dancing region free Wii. God that would be great...

FatsDomino May 12, 2006 11:44 AM

Oh goodness, I really hope Nintendo makes it region free. Sony is. Nintendo would be dumb not to. I hope they let you download and play japanese games too. That would be killer. I'm shooting too high but man that would rock.

devilmaycry May 12, 2006 12:10 PM

Region free wont happen bacause of the incompatibilities of PAL/NTSC and that's something no costumer support wants to deal with. It could happen on the 360/PS3 since the 720p everywhere means the same number of lines universaly but both console also support regular TV so no luck.
Even if they didn't the 720p standard has floating rafresh rate like on regular TV, like 720p50(Hz) and 720p60(Hz). This is probably to make todays TV shows of each region work without using 3:2 pulldown (inserting frames into each second of the image to make it 30 Fps/60Hz) but unfortunly screws our region free gaiming.

Nonetheless it can still be done, but companies don't do it so they can rip us more money based on regions :(

map car man words telling me to do things May 12, 2006 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by devilmaycry
Region free wont happen bacause of the incompatibilities of PAL/NTSC and that's something no costumer support wants to deal with.

Bullshit. NTSC compatibility has not been a problem in Europe for years because virtually every TV here can easily display both 50 and 60Hz image and no American would ever import a European game anyway. A lot of PAL releases offer a 60Hz option too, so Americans would still be able to play those particular titles if they really wanted.

I don't see region free happening for Nintendo, but it would be a dream come true if it did. There really are no other obstacles left other than publishers being greedy.

Luxo May 12, 2006 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwarky
Bullshit. NTSC compatibility has not been a problem in Europe for years because virtually every TV here can easily display both 50 and 60Hz image and no American would ever import a European game anyway. A lot of PAL releases offer a 60Hz option too, so Americans would still be able to play those particular titles if they really wanted.

I don't see region free happening for Nintendo, but it would be a dream come true if it did. There really are no other obstacles left other than publishers being greedy.

Or the fact that piracy is a serious problem everywhere. Nintendo stopped pirates for an horrendously long time with the Cube, and I'll bet they want to do the same with the Wii.

BurningRanger May 12, 2006 01:24 PM

Guys, about the 512mb storage and VC games.

The largest N64 game ever created, Conker's Bad Fur Day, was 64 megabytes. You could store approximately 8 of those. (The only other game that reached that filesize was Resident Evil 2.) 90% of N64 games are a lowly 8 megabytes. You could store 64 of those. I sincerely doubt anyone wants to download 64 games from the N64's library, given that it didn't have more than about 20-30 really good games.

You're all literally worrying about nothing.

Malmer May 12, 2006 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit
Why can't you just import?

Yeah, we are getting screwed a lot in Denmark.
An average danish game costs $76.74 - I'm getting the same from a couple of reliable online-shops I've been using for a long time now at an average of $40.
I count 3 games I've bought in Denmark since the beginning of 2005 (5!).
Screw Denmark, they can't compete on the international market, and damn, has the world grown smaller...

I also just got a Xbox 360 controller for two thirds of the danish price - delivered to my front door yesterday.
Importing has in time become my only option.

I'm still too much of a pussy to import a console though... =P

devilmaycry May 12, 2006 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwarky
Bullshit. NTSC compatibility has not been a problem in Europe for years because virtually every TV here can easily display both 50 and 60Hz image and no American would ever import a European game anyway. A lot of PAL releases offer a 60Hz option too, so Americans would still be able to play those particular titles if they really wanted.

I don't see region free happening for Nintendo, but it would be a dream come true if it did. There really are no other obstacles left other than publishers being greedy.

Granted most TV can do 60Hz but others can't and I'm not seeing them risking that and it's not just the 60Hz problem because that can be easly solved inside the game by limiting the frame rate to 50 FPS.

The problem is (also) in the rest of the specs, the NTSC has 525 lines while PAL has 625 lines meaning that a USA game has a diferent resolution from a European game, and while this can be solved in-game too it's harder and brings other problems so diferent builds are always used.

Also, the color system used is diferent (see NTSC color jokes) and this is a big problem too, this one can be solved by the console by codifing the signal according to your settings.

Bottom line, I'm sure they could do it (and some XBox 360 games do I heard) but they don't usually do it because it would make the console and the games a tad more expensive and because they woudn't be able to rip our pockets like they do today :D
Also for us europans it normally doesn't make the games that cheaper, we have to pay import duties, pray that game doesn't get caught in the customs, that doesn't get lost overseas, wait weeks for the game to arrive...
USA/Jap imports are only for non available in Europe games.

Free.User May 12, 2006 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Megalith
You'll eventually be spending more for the Wii because of the 900 "optional" accessories.

Are you trying to help your argument with that kind of statement?

"Hey guys, computers are so expensive becuase you can buy all the different software titles for it!"

Solis May 12, 2006 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BurningRanger
Guys, about the 512mb storage and VC games.

The largest N64 game ever created, Conker's Bad Fur Day, was 64 megabytes. You could store approximately 8 of those. (The only other game that reached that filesize was Resident Evil 2.) 90% of N64 games are a lowly 8 megabytes. You could store 64 of those. I sincerely doubt anyone wants to download 64 games from the N64's library, given that it didn't have more than about 20-30 really good games.

You're all literally worrying about nothing.

But the problem is that the space being used can quickly add up. VC games alone likely won't take a significant chunk out of the built in memory (unless they make disc-based games downloadable), but you have to remember that they will be sharing the same space as game saves, content downloads, updates, etc. Halo 2's extra maps took up almost 200 megs of space by themselves! Even save games can take up a lot of space, look at past gen games like KOTOR or Otogi. Since Nintendo themselves was pushing that "you can download on the console when it's on standby mode while you sleep", I don't think it would be unlikely that we'll see many titles that take advantage of the ability to add content to the game. 512 megs probably more than enough for people who only buy a few games for the console, but most of the concern is for those of us who buy a few dozen throughout the console's lifetime as well as VC games and get all those extra content packs when they're available.

BurningRanger May 12, 2006 09:51 PM

Good. That will push developers to economize on space, which would also decrease on delivery times and cost, as well.

Free.User May 12, 2006 09:53 PM

Don't forget that there is still time between now and Q4. Nintendo can still realize this and upgrade to a harddrive (which would not cost much more at all). Nintendo seems to be full of suprises this year, so why should hardware be an exception?

Solis May 12, 2006 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BurningRanger
Good. That will push developers to economize on space, which would also decrease on delivery times and cost, as well.

Uhh, no, it just means that when they have 512MB of space to work with, they'll get lazy and expect you to have no other games saved on it. Look at Madden on the Gamecube.

BurningRanger May 12, 2006 10:15 PM

Madden on Gamecube might've sold like, 5 copies. Bad example.

nitsu May 13, 2006 12:04 AM

The Wii will come with two USB ports, and I seem to remember reading that you can use just about any USB harddrive with the Wii.

FatsDomino May 13, 2006 12:18 AM

Yup that came from a quote from Iwata. =)

TheReverend May 13, 2006 12:31 AM

It's pretty much official everywhere...

Nintendo OWNS E3!!

http://news.com.com/Nintendos+Wii+st...?tag=nefd.lede

http://media.games.ign.com/articles/...80/vids_1.html
(note: editors say so in E3 Day 3 Wrap-up)

And there's more...

devilmaycry May 13, 2006 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Free.User
Are you trying to help your argument with that kind of statement?

"Hey guys, computers are so expensive becuase you can buy all the different software titles for it!"

He's trying nothing 'cause no one every buys these things anyway, only on Nintedo's silly mind they belive people will spend money on assessories (pun and typo intended)
The worst thing is that they might force them on us by shipping them with the game and dispite the common(??) belive these don't come for free.

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Originally Posted by Solis
Uhh, no, it just means that when they have 512MB of space to work with, they'll get lazy and expect you to have no other games saved on it. Look at Madden on the Gamecube.

Pokemon Colossum uses 48 blocks! Ouch! That's why I've never played that game dispite having it since I got the console.

NovaX May 13, 2006 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by devilmaycry
He's trying nothing 'cause no one every buys these things anyway, only on Nintedo's silly mind they belive people will spend money on assessories (pun and typo intended)
The worst thing is that they might force them on us by shipping them with the game and dispite the common(??) belive these don't come for free.

It is common belive (oh, right, you meant belief) that the accessories do come for free is because they pretty much do. If you are paying the same price for a game and accessory that you are for just a game, then the accessory is free. If you want to buy the game without the accessory then Nintendo will lower their normal price, not to cover the price of the accessory, but to give people incentive to buy if they already have the accessory.

I don't think their has been a case where Nintendo will charge extra for an accessory that is required for a game.

Grubdog May 13, 2006 04:19 AM

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Pokemon Colossum uses 48 blocks! Ouch! That's why I've never played that game dispite having it since I got the console.
Pokemon Colloseum comes with a free memory card in the case.

RABicle May 13, 2006 04:33 AM

Owned you've got a memory card you've never seen!

TheReverend May 13, 2006 08:44 AM

I just remembered something...

You might not have to worry about savegame space taking up the 512MB flash. Remember this?

http://media.revolution.ign.com/arti...g_3233326.html

Oh yeah, memory card ports. So it is quite possible that the Wii games could save to the same memory cards we've been using the past 5 years!!

RushJet1 May 13, 2006 10:02 AM

i've had a memory card 59 for awihle now, and i'm probably not getting another memory card. why? because by the time i get a game that actually requires more space than i have, i can delete old games that i'll probably never play again (or that i'll want to play through next time instead of continuing with a saved game after the end of the game).

Infernal Monkey May 13, 2006 10:05 AM

Time for a random post in this thread. Although it wasn't playable at E3, there's a trailer of Super Swing Pangya Golf up now.

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/1...ngwii187dx.jpg
hello kasumi =x

ramoth May 13, 2006 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Free.User
Don't forget that there is still time between now and Q4. Nintendo can still realize this and upgrade to a harddrive (which would not cost much more at all). Nintendo seems to be full of suprises this year, so why should hardware be an exception?

There's still time. But not that much time. I seriously doubt you'll see the Wii getting an HD. Maybe bigger flash memory. Maybe.

Taterdemalion May 13, 2006 11:04 AM

Yeah, Wii isn't getting a HD. According to Microsft and Sony, a 20 GB HD costs at least $100. Besides, SD cards are cheap and as BurningRanger said, VC games aren't going to take up massive amounts of storage. If you can pick up a 512 MB card, that's a gig of stroage right there. Enough for hundreds of VC games.

FatsDomino May 13, 2006 12:17 PM

Besides, you may be able to transfer those games to your computer via the SD cards to make more room. I really wonder how Nintendo is going to prevent piracy this time around.

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And that looks awesome, Infernal! =D

Pangya looks like some fun arcade golf. It's a shame it won't be going online but if that means for a better offline experience then so be it.

Neogin May 13, 2006 12:22 PM

But I heard it won't make it overseas, that's another drawback. If anything, I'd love to play Tiger Woods 07 on the Wii.

FatsDomino May 13, 2006 12:28 PM

I have a feeling that Nintendo would try to get their first game from Tecmo in fucking forever over to the States. Fanboys will eat it up that some DOA characters are in it. If not and it's still an awesome game then importing shouldn't be a problem if Nintendo is smart and doesn't do region locking.

I'd rather play arcade golf than sim golf. Same goes for most games actually. I fail to see the drive behind realistic games unless it adds to the mood or atmosphere i.e. Resident Evil 4.

Solis May 13, 2006 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Taterdemalion
Yeah, Wii isn't getting a HD. According to Microsft and Sony, a 20 GB HD costs at least $100.

They said the original 8gig Xbox harddrive added $50 onto the cost when the Xbox was released. The price has probably come down by now, and $100 is just the retail price of the 20GB harddrive, not the cost (you know there's a big markup there)

I do hope they upgrade to at least a gig, having around 700 megs for extra content and 300 megs for game saves and VC games should work out pretty well. But I have to wonder why the flash memory isn't removable, you're pretty much forced to get a memory card if you want to take your saves over to a friend's house now.

Luxo May 13, 2006 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AcerBandit
Besides, you may be able to transfer those games to your computer via the SD cards to make more room. I really wonder how Nintendo is going to prevent piracy this time around.

Double Post:
And that looks awesome, Infernal! =D

Pangya looks like some fun arcade golf. It's a shame it won't be going online but if that means for a better offline experience then so be it.

http://www.pangya.com/english/

It IS an online game.

FatsDomino May 13, 2006 03:22 PM

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. For Wii. I'm talking for Wii. I'm fully aware the original PC game is very online based.

Luxo May 13, 2006 03:43 PM

Only one "No" would have sufficed. =(

FatsDomino May 13, 2006 08:23 PM

Yes, but it would have not been nearly as fun to say out loud. =D

Wall Feces May 14, 2006 02:42 PM

Do you read all of your posts out loud before submitting them? :tpg:

FatsDomino May 15, 2006 02:31 AM

A good deal of them I most certainly do. =)

devilmaycry May 15, 2006 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit
A good deal of them I most certainly do. =)

That's wierd alright :eyebrow:

FatsDomino May 15, 2006 03:30 PM

Not really.

SketchTheArtist May 16, 2006 01:33 PM

See Wii Eject a DVD!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYNZ90kB2wk&eurl=

What am I wondering is; where the hell do Gamecube discs go?!

Technophile May 16, 2006 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist
See Wii Eject a DVD!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYNZ90kB2wk&eurl=

What am I wondering is; where the hell do Gamecube discs go?!

If I remember correctly, I believe I read somewhere an interview with Nintendo where they said the same opening accepts and ejects both regular DVDs and small GC discs. Apperantly Wii's slot itself knows how to take GC's discs in despite the fact that they're a lot smaller than the slot itself.

-EDIT-

Here's a list of games that EB and Gamestop are stocking up on. The earliest release date I found on there was 11/01/06. I wonder if this is any indication to Wii's launch date. I was hoping we'd recieve it some time around November. Also, the games are listed as $59.99 for pre-release price. WTF?

Protom@nNeo May 16, 2006 04:55 PM

So the other day a buddy and I were talking, and I was saying how a 3d Castlevania would be awesome on the Wii and essentially a no brainer. Then today I read this from Magicbox "Castlevania producer Koji Igarashi said that Castlevania does not fit with Wii, because the Wii market is for people who want to have new experience, these type of people do not have time to play lengthy games like Castlevania; also he does not have a good idea to make use of the Wii controller in the game."

Dammit!!

Technophile May 16, 2006 05:32 PM

Looks like the Wii banner for games' covers has been revealed. This was on another forum with no source so I'm not sure how official it is...but here:

http://www.gamestop.com/common/images/lbox/T000231b.jpg

FatsDomino May 16, 2006 05:38 PM

I hope that's not it. I enjoy cover art. I don't enjoy giant company logos or design blobs that cover said enjoyed cover art. The DS is okay but the cases are pretty different anyway. I hope Nintendo leaves it to a corner or something.

Neogin May 16, 2006 05:47 PM

I hope not either. It looks pretty...ugly, :/

Oh, and in other news, I read this at BBC and Joystiq..

Sony has now backed up the Wii, stating that most consumers would buy the Wii as a second console, after getting the PS3.

So, if the Nintendo Wii was the 2nd console choice after the 360/PS3, wouldn't that put them at the top? Yeah, it may never happen, but judging from what Moore and Harrison said, it's possible.

Soldier May 16, 2006 05:48 PM

In Zelda's case, it's going to be far worse. Expect additional labels and logos to make it perfectly clear to the idiotic parents that they're buying the right version for for their kids.

::still gets the wrong one::

Wall Feces May 16, 2006 05:55 PM

It's not too bad... It's far more intrusive than I would like it too be though. Make it smaller and I'll be happy.

Lukage May 16, 2006 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER
In Zelda's case, it's going to be far worse. Expect additional labels and logos to make it perfectly clear to the idiotic parents that they're buying the right version for for their kids.

::still gets the wrong one::

It even has the patended Dancing Triforce there to tell you, too.

Free.User May 16, 2006 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Neogin
Sony has now backed up the Wii, stating that most consumers would buy the Wii as a second console, after getting the PS3.

Ok so let me get this strait. Microsoft is all like "Sony ur a fag, people would rather get a Wii than a PS3" and Sony is like "FU MS people would rather get a wii than get a brickbox360" and Nintendo is all like "Hay guys whats up?"

Fucking soap opera.

In other news.. anybody have any ideas what's behind the mesterious panel on the front of the Wii? I hear that it might be some sort of 3d projector, but I guess we will have to wait and see. I bet they planned on releasing it at E3 but after Sony stole their shit they thought twice.

FatsDomino May 16, 2006 06:34 PM

Um, I always thought that was where you put your SD flash card. I don't think it's going to be something crazy like a projector. In fact I'm pretty certain it isn't.

Free.User May 16, 2006 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit
I don't think it's going to be something crazy like a projector. In fact I'm pretty certain it isn't.

Nor do I, but I thought the concept was pretty interesting.

Wall Feces May 16, 2006 06:44 PM

Definitely an interesting concept, and those are some pretty neat little bits of information on that site.

I suppose anything's possible at this point.

SketchTheArtist May 16, 2006 07:32 PM

Cool, looks like I wasn't crazy. I talked about this concept last March.

EDIT: There!

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Yeah, I heard about this 'Top Secret Revolutionary Thing' and it really intrigues me.

All I know, is that Nintendo copyrighted a system with cameras and a projector where the player will be IN the game. Literally. But I'm pretty sure it won't be it. Maybe the next generation of systems.
Middle of the page.

http://www.gamingforce.com/forums/ma...-thread-9.html

Matt May 16, 2006 07:48 PM

More than likely that system had to do with scanning the player and putting their face in the game.
Holograms and projectors are expensive, the Wii is not.

Speaking of Wii price, SEGA expects to see it sell for "under $200".
Dig it.

Helloween May 16, 2006 08:59 PM

Wow, i stop reading this thread for like two days, and it takes an hour and a half to catch up.

I'm already dreaming about the day i can pick up my very own Wii (o man, so possible ways to twist that sentence). I'm really hoping and praying that the Canadian doller remains this strong until after the Wii launch, i really wanna pay something like 270 for the console.

I think soon after i come into some money i'm gonna go out and buy at least two new gamecube controllers, and not open them until the day i open my Wii box. Mine are wearing out pretty quick, and i really want to be able to play GC games long into the future. It's what i should've done with 64. I only have one working 64 controller, and it's on it's on it's last legs (a friend i loaned it to spilled juice on it or something, and the B and right C buttons are sticky to the max).

I hope we can save our files to GC memory cards. I just bought one of those new fangled 1019's, i doubt i'll ever need another memory card again if what i hope prooves true.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Technophile
Here's a list of games that EB and Gamestop are stocking up on. The earliest release date I found on there was 11/01/06. I wonder if this is any indication to Wii's launch date. I was hoping we'd recieve it some time around November. Also, the games are listed as $59.99 for pre-release price. WTF?

I've already started making a prioritized list as to which games i need to get early on, and which ones can wait. The depending on factual prices, i can determine which ones get the boot. A little early i know, but whatever, i need something to do.

BurningRanger May 17, 2006 12:02 AM

Man... if they could do that for the rumored under 200 dollars... that would literally END the competitors.

Of course, there's no way that could happen. 3d projection technology can't possibly be that advanced. Still curious as to what's under the flap, though.

Free.User May 17, 2006 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BurningRanger
3d projection technology can't possibly be that advanced.

You'd be suprised, but 3D protection is not that new. It's just that consumers like you and I can't get our hands on it.

devilmaycry May 17, 2006 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Technophile
Also, the games are listed as $59.99 for pre-release price. WTF?

What were you expecting? Did you belive Nintendo PR garbage? Games will sell for $59.99 and in some (plenty?) of cases/stores by $69.99, same here for Europe, 69.99€ hapiness for everyone.
I wonder when people will stop listening to marketing crap and use common sense.

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Originally Posted by Protom@nNeo
Then today I read this from Magicbox "Castlevania producer Koji Igarashi said that Castlevania does not fit with Wii, because the Wii market is for people who want to have new experience, these type of people do not have time to play lengthy games like Castlevania;

What I would like to know is exactly what segment of the market is Nintendo trying to catch, the 'casual gamers' or the 'new gamers', these seems like non existent groups at least in the sense that Nintendo bables.
In fact it's kinda ridiculous, the 'causal gamers' are already gamers (hence the gamers word) so they already know how to use a normal gamepad. So what's the point of the new remote? Anyway who doesn't know how to use a pad after 1 day of trainning? They won't be the experts but it will suffice.
And what about the 'new gamers'? Haven't plenty of 'new gamers' get their consoles with regular pad and learned how to use it just fine? Afterall everyone has a new gamer at some point... not to mention that this group doesn't buy a new game every week. By this logic countless board games would have to be redone because they have too much pieces and rules, same goes for card games, infact god forbid us from playing them, each set has 52 of them!
This whole thing doesn't make any sense, it seems to me that Nintendo is trying to catch some user to add to their fanbase and uses this gimmiekick to attract their curiousity them but they might be shooting themself on the feet.
This feeling gets even stronger when you wear Sony and MS saying that Wii would be people second choice to their own consoles, it seems like they are so absolutely sure (or else they wouldn't even dare to think about saying such thing) that the Wii will fail so miserably that they can freely use it like a pawn, a scapegoat to attack each other without fear of backfire and Nintendo steal thier own marketshare. A glooming sign IHMO.

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Originally Posted by Protom@nNeo
also he does not have a good idea to make use of the Wii controller in the game."

Me neither, I have no idea how will all the games I usually play work with the Wii pad. They probably wont but I'm still intrested on how do you control Sonic with a Wii pad on Wildfire.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Technophile
Looks like the Wii banner for games' covers has been revealed. This was on another forum with no source so I'm not sure how official it is...but here:

Totally fake, screams bad graphic design like a madman.

FatsDomino May 17, 2006 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilmaycry
What were you expecting? Did you belive Nintendo PR garbage? Games will sell for $59.99 and in some (plenty?) of cases/stores by $69.99, same here for Europe, 69.99€ hapiness for everyone.
I wonder when people will stop listening to marketing crap and use common sense.

I already fucking told you that all first party games will be no more than $50. This was stated by the fucking President of Nintendo, Satoru Iwata.

elevator May 17, 2006 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilmaycry
This feeling gets even stronger when you wear Sony and MS saying that Wii would be people second choice to their own consoles, it seems like they are so absolutely sure (or else they wouldn't even dare to think about saying such thing) that the Wii will fail so miserably that they can freely use it like a pawn, a scapegoat to attack each other without fear of backfire and Nintendo steal thier own marketshare. A glooming sign IHMO.

What do you mean? Both quotes from Harrison and Moore about Wii were very positive. Do you expect them to say that it will outsell their own consoles? I think that it is nothing more than Sony saying "People will prefer Wii over 360" and MS saying the same thing about PS3.
I don´t know where to find the Moore quote right now but here is the one by Harrison:
Quote:

"I think Peter Moore is exactly right. I think Nintendo will be the second system consumers purchase after PlayStation 3."

"I haven't had a chance to check out the Wii myself, but Nintendo has a great history of innovation and has always done great things for gaming and long may they do so. But as it relates to our strategy they are very much in a different market."
yeah.. very glooming sign

devilmaycry May 17, 2006 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AcerBandit
I already fucking told you that all first party games will be no more than $50. This was stated by the fucking President of Nintendo, Satoru Iwata.

And I've said that 1st party games (both Nintendo and others) games are.... not so good. Most of us play 3rd party games be it on a Nintendo console or any other.


Quote:

Originally Posted by elevator
What do you mean? Both quotes from Harrison and Moore about Wii were very positive. Do you expect them to say that it will outsell their own consoles? I think that it is nothing more than Sony saying "People will prefer Wii over 360" and MS saying the same thing about PS3.
I don´t know where to find the Moore quote right now but here is the one by Harrison:


yeah.. very glooming sign


DUDE.... if they considered Wii a thread, a console capable of stealing the lidership of the console market or even to reduce their own share they would bash it all the possible weak points and even if the console had no weak point they would either make up some or never mention it.
If they openly say the Wii will take the 2nd place is because they have absolutely no fear from it, and means they somehow ;) know the market share of Wii will be something ridiculous... I for one don't like this because it will reduce competition but that's where it seems to be heading.


OH!!! Wait! I got it now! You thought these dudes were sincere, honest, with fair and square market competition. That they were expressing their genuine feelings of admiration about Wii and ready to accept Nintendo's challenge with fair play.
Ah... how silly of you :doh:

Pez May 17, 2006 08:09 AM

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Devilmaycry: What I would like to know is exactly what segment of the market is Nintendo trying to catch, the 'casual gamers' or the 'new gamers', these seems like non existent groups at least in the sense that Nintendo bables.
In fact it's kinda ridiculous, the 'causal gamers' are already gamers (hence the gamers word) so they already know how to use a normal gamepad. So what's the point of the new remote? Anyway who doesn't know how to use a pad after 1 day of trainning? They won't be the experts but it will suffice.
And what about the 'new gamers'? Haven't plenty of 'new gamers' get their consoles with regular pad and learned how to use it just fine? Afterall everyone has a new gamer at some point... not to mention that this group doesn't buy a new game every week. By this logic countless board games would have to be redone because they have too much pieces and rules, same goes for card games, infact god forbid us from playing them, each set has 52 of them!
Broadly speaking, I’d say a ‘new gamer’ is someone who was not involved in the previous console (or handheld) generation. If you think in terms of rough numbers of consoles sold (PS2 100mil, XB 30mil, GC 20mil), I’d consider that anyone outside these 150 million (not accounting for any overlap or replacement units) to be a ‘new gamer.’ To be more specific with regards to exact segments of the market: probably the most striking examples are the Brain Training and Nintendogs games on the DS which were aimed at seniors and women respectively, which prior to the introduction of the system wouldn’t have been classified as ‘gamers’. The ‘casual gamer’ is less easier to define, although it would be unwise to suggest that they all have prior gamepad experience. Games like Freecell, solitaire, minesweeper and bejewelled come to mind, not necessarily confined to console gaming. These are pick up and play: there’s no training isn’t required to point and click and ultimately no barriers to playing. I would suspect the intuitiveness of the Wii controller would provide a similar portal and make them more inclined to pick it up and have a go.

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This whole thing doesn't make any sense, it seems to me that Nintendo is trying to catch some user to add to their fanbase and uses this gimmiekick to attract their curiousity them but they might be shooting themself on the feet.

This feeling gets even stronger when you wear Sony and MS saying that Wii would be people second choice to their own consoles, it seems like they are so absolutely sure (or else they wouldn't even dare to think about saying such thing) that the Wii will fail so miserably that they can freely use it like a pawn, a scapegoat to attack each other without fear of backfire and Nintendo steal thier own marketshare. A glooming sign IHMO.
I suspect most would beg to differ with your interpretation. The much more widely apparent view is that in terms of graphics and game genres, Sony and Microsoft have very little in the way to differentiate between their respective consoles. Hence, the promotion of Nintendo’s innovative new product by both companies as complimentary to their own is seen as a sales tactic to detract sales and attention away from their rival. In addition, it is also seen as an admission that Nintendo’s Wii offers a totally different gaming experience; one that is clearly not possible on either PS3 or X360. After all, if your product was THE comprehensive gaming machine, there’s no logical sense for recommending a rival’s console to compliment it. Obviously, both Sony and Microsoft are going to be fighting it out with each other over the same existing markets. In contrast, Nintendo appears to be growing new markets and demographics.

Infernal Monkey May 17, 2006 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by devilmaycry
And I've said that 1st party games (both Nintendo and others) games are.... not so good. Most of us play 3rd party games be it on a Nintendo console or any other.

Are you seriously trying to say that all the first party games on every single system aren't worth playing? That the games that the likes of Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony PUBLISH also aren't worth playing? So let's go back to 1996, Super Mario 64 is shit because it's a Nintendo game, okay. Better buy that Nintendo 64 for War Gods and Hexen 64. Who needs Daytona USA 2001 when there's Speed Devils? Metal Gear Solid 4? Uh oh, that has a very good chance of being published by Sony. That means it'll automatically not be worth playing. Can't wait to get Spongebob Squarepants on Xbox 360, that'll be much better than Halo 3.

THAT'S your demented excuse to finally give in to the fact that Nintendo isn't going to charge $60 for their Wii games? How many times did Acer even need to TELL YOU?

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DUDE.... if they considerewordswordswords Wii a thread, a console capable of stealing the lidership of the console market or even to rwordseduce their own share they would bash it all the possible weak points and even if the console had no weak point they would eithwordswordswordser make up some or never mention it.
If they openly say the Wii will take the 2nd placewords is because they have absolutely no fear from it, and means they somehow ;) know the market share of Wii will be swordwordswordsomething ridiculous... I for one don't like this because it will reduce competition but that's where it seems to be heading.
THERE ARE THREE CONSOLES. MICROSOFT AND SONY BOTH ADMITTING CONSUMERS WILL PICK UP A WII ALONG WITH AN XBOX 360 OR A PLAYSTATION 3 IS HARDLY DOOM AND GLOOM. PERHAPS IF THEY SAID THE WII WAS A BIG BAG OF DOG SHIT AND CONSUMERS WOULD SPIT ON THEM IN STORE BEFORE SETTING THEM ON FIRE AND PLACING THEM ON A DOORSTEP, THEN YES, THAT WOULD BE BAD.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13.../poopagain.jpg

devilmaycry May 17, 2006 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pez
Broadly speaking, I’d say a ‘new gamer’ is someone who was not involved in the previous console (or handheld) generation. If you think in terms of rough numbers of consoles sold (PS2 100mil, XB 30mil, GC 20mil), I’d consider that anyone outside these 150 million (not accounting for any overlap or replacement units) to be a ‘new gamer.’ To be more specific with regards to exact segments of the market: probably the most striking examples are the Brain Training and Nintendogs games on the DS which were aimed at seniors and women respectively, which prior to the introduction of the system wouldn’t have been classified as ‘gamers’.

I don't think much money will come from these groups, infact the combination of new gamer that isn't intrested on 'regular gaming' (if you wanna call it that) isn't very likely.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Pez
The ‘casual gamer’ is less easier to define, although it would be unwise to suggest that they all have prior gamepad experience. Games like Freecell, solitaire, minesweeper and bejewelled come to mind, not necessarily confined to console gaming. These are pick up and play: there’s no training isn’t required to point and click and ultimately no barriers to playing. I would suspect the intuitiveness of the Wii controller would provide a similar portal and make them more inclined to pick it up and have a go.

There's the learning curve of handling a mouse, and isn't smaller (using a mouse on a FPS is wicked but then again I'm not good at FPS no matter what mouse/gamepad I use) but when you play such slow paced games as solitaire it doesn't really matter, so you can say that these people's problem is lack of reflexes. Anyway, yes Wii would shine in these kind of games but will such persons throw 250€ at a console just for some fast gaming? Some will but I dunno about the rest. :eyebrow:



Quote:

Originally Posted by Pez
I suspect most would beg to differ with your interpretation. The much more widely apparent view is that in terms of graphics and game genres, Sony and Microsoft have very little in the way to differentiate between their respective consoles. Hence, the promotion of Nintendo’s innovative new product by both companies as complimentary to their own is seen as a sales tactic to detract sales and attention away from their rival. In addition, it is also seen as an admission that Nintendo’s Wii offers a totally different gaming experience; one that is clearly not possible on either PS3 or X360. After all, if your product was THE comprehensive gaming machine, there’s no logical sense for recommending a rival’s console to compliment it. Obviously, both Sony and Microsoft are going to be fighting it out with each other over the same existing markets. In contrast, Nintendo appears to be growing new markets and demographics.

Exactly but they wouldn't do it unless they were absolutely sure Wii won't mess with their milionaire market share, leading me to thing that they've been performing market studies about Wii and the results haven't impressed them, thus allowing them to use the Wii as a pawn.


Anyway! You avatar is funny.

Grubdog May 17, 2006 09:28 AM

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Exactly but they wouldn't do it unless they were absolutely sure Wii won't mess with their milionaire market share, leading me to thing that they've been performing market studies about Wii and the results haven't impressed them, thus allowing them to use the Wii as a pawn.
You don't know what you're talking about. YOU are exactly the reason they said that. It's so they wouldn't look desperate, and to the unknowledgable, it worked! You don't judge companies on words, you judge them on actions.

devilmaycry May 17, 2006 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Infernal Monkey
Are you seriously trying to say that all the first party games on every single system aren't worth playing?

Since Sega stopped doing consoles? Yeah, most of them aren't that great maybe some are but most aren't. BTW SMario 64 was boring, you should get a N64 for Rare games like Conker (zOMG best N64 game), Banjo or Diddy Kong Racing. Yet it's possible that some Rare games were published by Nintendo (I don't care really, I'm not any company fanboy so I don't keep records to defend them)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infernal Monkey
THERE ARE THREE CONSOLES. MICROSOFT AND SONY BOTH ADMITTING CONSUMERS WILL PICK UP A WII ALONG WITH AN XBOX 360 OR A PLAYSTATION 3 IS HARDLY DOOM AND GLOOM. PERHAPS IF THEY SAID THE WII WAS A BIG BAG OF DOG SHIT AND CONSUMERS WOULD SPIT ON THEM IN STORE BEFORE SETTING THEM ON FIRE AND PLACING THEM ON A DOORSTEP, THEN YES, THAT WOULD BE BAD.

No, that would be GOOD because that would mean they take Nintendo's console as a serious thread to them, doing what they do means they know (or at least they think they know) that Wii wont even scrach them.

Oh, are you another one that thinks these dudes are sincere, honest, with fair and square market competition. That they were expressing their genuine feelings of admiration about Wii and ready to accept Nintendo's challenge with fair play. (yes I copy/pasted)


EDIT:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Grubdog
You don't know what you're talking about. YOU are exactly the reason they said that. It's so they wouldn't look desperate, and to the unknowledgable, it worked! You don't judge companies on words, you judge them on actions.

DESPERATE?? JUST WTF? These guys are the market leaders!

Ok I think we are better to leave the speculation aside for 1 year (at least that's what I'll do effective as of now) and we'll see then the results of Nintendo, Sony and MS efforts.

SketchTheArtist May 17, 2006 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by devilmaycry
DUDE.... if they considered Wii a thread, a console capable of stealing the lidership of the console market...

LOL

I don't normally point out grammar errors but...it's ten in the morning and it's funny.

lemonmanko May 17, 2006 09:40 AM

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Nintendo's Katsuya Eguchi has mentioned about new features in the Wii edition of Animal Crossing, you can swing the controller to cut trees, shovel, dig holes or fishing. If the console is connected online, your friends can leave notes or gifts to you via the WiiConnect24 service, even when you're not around.
thats pretty cool but then it isn't cause what if some freak sends you dirty letter's about mr.nook :S

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Castlevania producer Koji Igarashi said that Castlevania does not fit with Wii, because the Wii market is for people who want to have new experience, these type of people do not have time to play lengthy games like Castlevania; also he does not have a good idea to make use of the Wii controller in the game.
i somewhat don't care about castlevania games on consoles
the good ones are on handheld now
plus didn't somebody show him the virtual console controller he can use for the game?


er.. oh no.. somebody better delete devilmaycry's post we don't want a locked thread again
such assholes these days...

devilmaycry May 17, 2006 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist
LOL

I don't normally point out grammar errors but...it's ten in the morning and it's funny.

Do you see that nice flag near my nick? that' means I'm not native english speaker, why don't you try to write somethin in portuguese so I can laugh too :biggrin:

Anyway, what' wrong with it so I don't do it again?

Infernal Monkey May 17, 2006 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilmaycry
BTW SMario 64 was boring, you should get a N64 for Rare games like Conker (zOMG best N64 game), Banjo or Diddy Kong Racing. Yet it's possible that some Rare games were published by Nintendo (I don't care really, I'm not any company fanboy so I don't keep records to defend them)

You don't need to be a 'fanboy' to know that Nintendo and Rare were in bed together for years. You seem to know less about what you're talking about in regards to gaming than the average garden hose. Except they at least don't try and pass everything off as fact.

SketchTheArtist May 17, 2006 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by devilmaycry
Do you see that nice flag near my nick? that' means I'm not native english speaker, why don't you try to write somethin in portuguese so I can laugh too :biggrin:

Anyway, what' wrong with it so I don't do it again?

It's LEADERSHIP.

And I'm not a 'native english speaker' either but I try to make the best of it.

devilmaycry May 17, 2006 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist
It's LEADERSHIP.

And I'm not a 'native english speaker' either but I try to make the best of it.

Ok thanks!

Wall Feces May 17, 2006 10:38 AM

devilmaycry, you're a fucking idiot. Just stop speaking.

Nintendo marketing to non-gamers is a brilliant move. My mom read about the Wii in Time Magazine and since then is eagerly anticipating it as much as I have. She and I used to play games when games were controller by a D-pad and 2 buttons.

She lost touch with gaming around the time SNES came out because the controller was too damn complex. She couldn't get into it. She had a hard time figuring the whole thing out. Yeah, doesn't sound like a problem someone like me or you would have, but for someone in their 30s/40s, it IS a problem.

She has been eagerly awaiting a return to simple gaming, and the Wii is going to attract people like her. I already got her to play my DS with New Super Mario Bros and Tetris DS, and she's considering picking up one of those too!

If Nintendo can successfully market this thing to non-gamers, specifically those like my mom who can't (or don't want to) handle complex controllers, Nintendo will EASILY become the market leader. They're an untapped resource, and they outnumber us by ALOT.

It's smart marketing.

RushJet1 May 17, 2006 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist
Quote:

Originally Posted by devilmaycry
DUDE.... if they considered Wii a thread, a console capable of stealing the lidership of the console market...

LOL

I don't normally point out grammar errors but...it's ten in the morning and it's funny.


also, it's "threat," not "thread."

TheReverend May 17, 2006 10:58 AM

My comments on Sony and MS's comments on Wii.....

I think the reason that both sides said this was because they knew that Nintendo really "won" E3. Nintendo had everyone's eye and delivered in a HUGE way. There is no question about this.

What Peter Moore and Phil Harrison said was them trying to gain attention back and to distance themselves from Nintendo. They can see that Wii is far superior innovatively and creatively, whereas their consoles have horsepower and eye-candy. They know they can't convince everyone to not buy a Wii. But they can easily convince people that they have a product you can't get on Wii, which is hard-core gaming.

These consoles really are barely in competition. There is really no question in my mind, the Wii will sell more consoles than the X360 and will DEFINITELY sell more than the PS3 (which I think is more than guarenteed to fail). Now this doesn't mean that every publisher will start making all their titles for Wii (e.g. MGS4, FFXIII, GTA4, etc). What this does mean is that Nintendo is gonna making crap loads of money, and all of us are going to enjoy gaming again like the Atari days, fun simple games.

Why is Wii going to sell alot? People do want something new, and Nintendo is the only one offering truly something new. Throwing the football with Madden, pointing the bow and arrow w/ Zelda, accurate gun aiming, steering wheel racing... This IS revolutionary.

And it will only grow from here. Can you imagining playing Fight Night Round 4 with two wiimotes as your fists? How about RE5 with accurate aiming and lighting effects? How about RTS games finally easily usable with mouse-like control? How about a true sword fighting game? Lightsabers? Airplane flying using the wiimote as a flightstick? The possibilities are truly endless...

Whiners like devil may cry, and Jacky boy who had this great line in the Best of E3 thread,
Quote:

Yes not everyone wants to look like a young child with down syndrom while playing their videogames.
just dont get it and they won't until someone forces them to play it cause they are stubborn and NOT open minded.

We'll see what you think when you actually try it.

Wall Feces May 17, 2006 11:09 AM

The problem, Dayvon, is that they won't try it. They'll stick to playing stale graphical upgrades of the same games they've been playing forever. Little do they know that they'll look like morons when they're trying to fly a plane in Warhawk by wiggling a 10 year old Dual Shock controller.

Don't worry about them. It's their loss, not Nintendo's. Nintendo probably could care less about morons like them anyway. They'll get more marketshare by NOT trying to hook them in.

TheReverend May 17, 2006 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sprouticus
The problem, Dayvon, is that they won't try it. They'll stick to playing stale graphical upgrades of the same games they've been playing forever. Little do they know that they'll look like morons when they're trying to fly a plane in Warhawk by wiggling a 10 year old Dual Shock controller.

Don't worry about them. It's their loss, not Nintendo's. Nintendo probably could care less about morons like them anyway. They'll get more marketshare by NOT trying to hook them in.

Totally agreed.

Many gamerz will say "look at the neewbs playing Wii!"
But the entire mass market will say "look at the nerdy gamerz twiddling their thumbs!"

I'm so glad Nintendo decided to risk it all to bring us something new. If nothing else, their efforts in this way warrant a Wii purchase.

Protom@nNeo May 17, 2006 11:59 AM

Hey Acer, a quick sidebar, shoudn't this thread be changed to the official Wii discussion thread now?

FatsDomino May 17, 2006 12:08 PM

Native speaker or not, devilmaycry, I'm going going to do you the favor of banning you from this thread. If there's anything I hate more, it's those who spread misinformation because of ignorance. Get the fuck out.

Yeah, and amusingly devilmaycry will be banned from such a useless thread if I close it for a new one. I'll either rename this thread later or make a new one when I've got my computer set up and everything. Moving home from college is a bitch.

Neogin May 17, 2006 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayvon
Totally agreed.

Many gamerz will say "look at the neewbs playing Wii!"
But the entire mass market will say "look at the nerdy gamerz twiddling their thumbs!"

I'm so glad Nintendo decided to risk it all to bring us something new. If nothing else, their efforts in this way warrant a Wii purchase.

Some people I've talked to are just having doubts about the Wii. Since it's "weaker" the Wiimote can't be used to its fullest. Lack of physics, detail, and so on.

It's a shame, people are such graphic whores.

Technophile May 17, 2006 04:15 PM

Good God! I leave this thread for like half a day and some idiot comes in and attempts to shit all over it. Acer, I had seriously forgotten how unpleasant Wii related threads were before you decided to bitch-slap morons outta here.

Anyway, first Sega, and now some other analyst predicts that Wii will be $200.

Neogin May 17, 2006 04:19 PM

Yeah, Sega and many other analysts believe it's going to be $200. Keep the tradition, of course.

Plus, check this out. Bluetooth for the Wiimote.

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/708/708953p1.html

Technophile May 17, 2006 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neogin
Yeah, Sega and many other analysts believe it's going to be $200. Keep the tradition, of course.

Plus, check this out. Bluetooth for the Wiimote.

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/708/708953p1.html

That's pretty awsome! I can only dream of the different accessories they'll come up with using blue-tooth. Oh and here's a very, very well written hands on Wii demo impressions by penny-arcade.

On another random note, I cannot wait to see how the wiimote will work with future music games.

Neogin May 17, 2006 04:49 PM

I'd love to play Beatmania with the Wiimote. That'd be awesome.

Free.User May 17, 2006 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AcerBandit
Native speaker or not, devilmaycry, I'm going going to do you the favor of banning you from this thread.

Thank you! :)

Pez May 18, 2006 08:12 AM

Quote:

There's the learning curve of handling a mouse, and isn't smaller (using a mouse on a FPS is wicked but then again I'm not good at FPS no matter what mouse/gamepad I use) but when you play such slow paced games as solitaire it doesn't really matter, so you can say that these people's problem is lack of reflexes
I should’ve made my point clearer. Using a mouse is second nature for simple games because in order to operate a PC, you have to be able to use a mouse. Most FPS I’m aware of require simultaneous use of mouse AND keyboard -this is totally different from using the mouse by itself. I suspect most of us who’d made the switch from playing the original Doom with Ctrl for fire, Alt for strafe and the arrow keys for movement would’ve found the switch to WASD and mouse somewhat daunting at first. As for Solitaire being slow paced… you should see how some people play the timed games or try it yourself.

deadally May 18, 2006 08:32 AM

So, can anybody explain to me what the use of Bluetooth entails? People seem quite excited, and all I understand is that it is a means of wireless communication.

What are the exciting implications besides the obvious?

chaofan May 18, 2006 09:55 AM

Sigh...

Wii kicks serious arse and the potential of the console is mind-boggling, but the FRICKING media (well, the newspapers I've been reading) doesn't seem to take note or even look at what Nintendo have been doing.

[HERALD SUN - The Australian (Melbourne) Tabloid Newspaper]
-Around 15 paragraphs. 6 to X360, 5 to PS3, 2 to Wii.
To add to the injury, some "professional" had a say in Nintendo's plan, "Although the Wii will have a lot of features, the PS3 will still lead because it simply looks better in terms of graphics." What kind of F**ker is that? Hasn't she seen the DS?

[THE AGE - The Australian (Melbourne) Spreadsheet Newspaper]
-Around 38 paragraphs. 12 to X360, 12 to PS3, 11 to Wii
A bit better, a bit more unbiased, but have a look at the "Best of E3"!! Assassin's Creed (PS3), Viva (Pinata), Crackdown (360) and Crysis (PC). They included Mario Galaxy and Spore, two games in which I would agree with but most of it were games to do with extreme violence. WTH!!!

[MX - The Australian (Melbourne) Free Tabloid Newspaper]
-Around 12 paragraphs. 5 to X360, 5 to PS3, 2 to Wii
The title is "Nintendo, Wii Love It"... But what's this? Only two paragraphs and a photo of Shiggy playing Steven Spielberg in Wii Sports? Bleh. And then the rest of it talks about the upcoming games on X360 and PS3, almost all of which are violent or "Mature".

Why so much bias? There were as much things to talk about in the Nintendo section as there were in Sony's and Microsoft's.

surasshu May 18, 2006 10:21 AM

My estimate of the percentage of violent/mature games at this year's E3 is about 85-90%. And most of the rest are handheld titles. So it's not too surprising that the games they are talking about are violent. At this point, it's simply a fact that a lot of the games coming out right now are violent.

I'm also not too surprised newspapers aren't exactly up to date on these things, they are hardly the place to look for objective and relevant reporting in general, and especially when it comes to the games industry.

I certainly still believe that the Wii will appeal both to the hardcore gamer AND the untapped market of moms and girlfriends. I reckon it'll just take time for the media to catch up.

TheReverend May 18, 2006 10:24 AM

My favorite anti-Nintendo bias was this wonderful editorial at IGN.
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In the end, this is just another facet of the universal truth that when a console becomes a mass marketshare leader, all manner of games will appear on it. And although the Wii almost definitely will not become the lead platform in the US, Sony's recent price announcements and Xbox's continued impotence have placed Nintendo into an excellent position in Japan. Could the land of the rising yen be the ultimate developer's playground for new ideas and classic titles? If Nintendo sells enough Wii, we'll get both.
What reason or proof is there to back up this statement? Only that they haven't won the past two generations? There is more proof that it will do extremely well than that it won't. The last time Nintendo had a Zelda and Mario game inside the launch window was the NES and SNES and we all know that those led there generations. Honestly, I don't understand why people put so much faith in "Playstation". Like it's the god of game consoles and therefore all else is sub-par.

There is only two reasons why PS3 is even worth thinking about over Wii. Let me say this loud and clear: WITHOUT MGS4 or FFXIII, PS3 WOULD DIE. Two games to sell an entire system generation. That is BS. Sure you could argue that Nintendo does the same thing with Zelda-Mario, but consider this; NINTENDO OWNS THEIR WINNING FRANCHISES. I just wish that SqEnix and Konami would go multi-platform with these titles; then may the best console/first-party titles win.

Prime Blue May 18, 2006 10:36 AM

PlayStation is not about games. For non-gamers it's all about the name: How often have you experienced this situation? Someone visits you and says "Oh, you have a PlayStation" and you have to respond "It's not a PlayStation, it's a Nintendo".
And that's the reason why every single console and handheld of Sony (assuming the PS3 won't ruin them) will have the word "PlayStation" in its name. I just wonder when it's going to sound stupid... "PlayStation 6"? "PlayStation 7"?

TheReverend May 18, 2006 10:44 AM

That's the funny part.

This industry turns on a dime. I mean 10 years ago (approximately), Nintendo was king headed into a new gaming generation. 10 years. Not like 30 or 40 years ago. 10. But now, all the world turns on Playstation? And Nintendo is barely on alot of people's radar.

What's most interesting to me is the comments such as that IGN editorial that write off Wii, because "the playstation name is huge". That is BS in this market. Gamers are fickle. They go where the games are. Nintendo has ALOT more games & better games in the launch window, should have little to no shortage issues, better price, reliable hardware, totally unique exclusive gameplay... I mean honestly if the Wii was Sony's idea and it was label PS3, the media would be going "ZOMG Sony PS3 is the best thing to ever come to planet earth!!!%!&!&%!&%"

Luxo May 18, 2006 12:50 PM

Actually, a huge load of people here in México call "Nintendo" any console they see, be it a Gameboy, a PSX or an XBOX.

I guess it's more of a regional thing.

SketchTheArtist May 18, 2006 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCHWARZE-7
Actually, a huge load of people here in México call "Nintendo" any console they see, be it a Gameboy, a PSX or an XBOX.

I guess it's more of a regional thing.

Well, over here, older people who have no clue call everything a NINTENDO, be it a DVD, a videogames system.....or their own wives.

Grubdog May 18, 2006 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaofan
Sigh...

Wii kicks serious arse and the potential of the console is mind-boggling, but the FRICKING media (well, the newspapers I've been reading) doesn't seem to take note or even look at what Nintendo have been doing.

[HERALD SUN - The Australian (Melbourne) Tabloid Newspaper]
-Around 15 paragraphs. 6 to X360, 5 to PS3, 2 to Wii.
To add to the injury, some "professional" had a say in Nintendo's plan, "Although the Wii will have a lot of features, the PS3 will still lead because it simply looks better in terms of graphics." What kind of F**ker is that? Hasn't she seen the DS?

[THE AGE - The Australian (Melbourne) Spreadsheet Newspaper]
-Around 38 paragraphs. 12 to X360, 12 to PS3, 11 to Wii
A bit better, a bit more unbiased, but have a look at the "Best of E3"!! Assassin's Creed (PS3), Viva (Pinata), Crackdown (360) and Crysis (PC). They included Mario Galaxy and Spore, two games in which I would agree with but most of it were games to do with extreme violence. WTH!!!

[MX - The Australian (Melbourne) Free Tabloid Newspaper]
-Around 12 paragraphs. 5 to X360, 5 to PS3, 2 to Wii
The title is "Nintendo, Wii Love It"... But what's this? Only two paragraphs and a photo of Shiggy playing Steven Spielberg in Wii Sports? Bleh. And then the rest of it talks about the upcoming games on X360 and PS3, almost all of which are violent or "Mature".

Why so much bias? There were as much things to talk about in the Nintendo section as there were in Sony's and Microsoft's.

Yep, it's pretty obvious why though, Nintendo just doesn't have the marketing and presence here, while Sony and MS could get the front page just by opening their pockets. That's how the media works though. Sony could get shit in a paper bag advertised by almost every news outlet, Nintendo Australia can only afford to give away a free GBA SP in K-Zone.

chaofan May 19, 2006 12:02 AM

All Nintendo need to do is penetrate the European markets. They're pretty good in Japan and America, but over here people are all about Xbox360

(Magazine interview)
"Screw the PS3 cause xbox360 is cool".
"Why?".
"It's just cool."
"What about Nintendo's new console?"
"Who?"

-____-'

Infernal Monkey May 19, 2006 12:41 AM

Oh, the 'Connect' section of Sydney's Daily Telegraph did a pretty good write-up about the Wii. But they've always been pretty fair with all three consoles. Channel 7 news still wins for mainstream E3 coverage though.

"E3 IS THAT TIME OF YEAR WHEN NEW EXCITING COMPUTER VIDEO GAMES APPEAR"
"SONY AND MICROSOFT HAVE NEW GAMING SYSTEMS, SONY SHOCKED EVERYONE WITH ITS INNOVATIVE VIRTUAL REALITY PLAYSTATION 3 CONTROLLER"
"HALO 3 IS SET TO TAKE THE WORLD BY STORM WHEN IT LAUNCHES NEXT MONTH"
"NINTENDO HAS A NEW MARIO GAME"

*Footage of Wii Sports*

"HERE IS A GAME FROM AN AUSTRALIAN DEVELOPER FOR PC"

*Awful unplayable mess on screen for about five minutes*

"AND THAT ABOUT WRAPS UP WHAT'S BEEN GOING DOWN THIS YEAR"

chaofan May 19, 2006 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infernal Monkey
Oh, the 'Connect' section of Sydney's Daily Telegraph did a pretty good write-up about the Wii. But they've always been pretty fair with all three consoles. Channel 7 news still wins for mainstream E3 coverage though.

"E3 IS THAT TIME OF YEAR WHEN NEW EXCITING COMPUTER VIDEO GAMES APPEAR"
"SONY AND MICROSOFT HAVE NEW GAMING SYSTEMS, SONY SHOCKED EVERYONE WITH ITS INNOVATIVE VIRTUAL REALITY PLAYSTATION 3 CONTROLLER"
"HALO 3 IS SET TO TAKE THE WORLD BY STORM WHEN IT LAUNCHES NEXT MONTH"
"NINTENDO HAS A NEW MARIO GAME"

*Footage of Wii Sports*

"HERE IS A GAME FROM AN AUSTRALIAN DEVELOPER FOR PC"

*Awful unplayable mess on screen for about five minutes*

"AND THAT ABOUT WRAPS UP WHAT'S BEEN GOING DOWN THIS YEAR"

"Innovative controller"?
And then there was Herald Sun (Melbourne, Australia):

"Sony unveiled its innovative motion controller... Nintendo also followed Sony and has implemented its own motion controller."

GET THE F***en facts right! The Wii controller was shown a year ago!!!

BurningRanger May 19, 2006 03:13 AM

This is a perfect example of what Nintendo is doing wrong right now.

Magazines and newspapers are fine, whatever. But right now Nintendo needs to be airing commercials for the Wii nonstop on any and all TV channels. Even if they're just teaser commercials for now, the key thing is they need to be getting their image out right now, before everyone hears about the PS3 controller and gets conned into thinking Nintendo stole something from Sony. If that happens, Nintendo's chances will be seriously hurt.

Helloween May 19, 2006 12:03 PM

That just bothers me, that newspapers would state that Sony had the motion controller idea first. It's not true, did they do any fact checking? or did they get paid off.

In Canada, we won't see any evidence of video games in the press until all the consoles are within about two weeks of release. I remember when Xbox and Gamecube came about, it was the first time i'd ever seen anything about the PS2 in any Winnipeg newspaper. They were running a comparison article, stating everything there was to each of the three consoles. It was surprisingly unbiased. I hope they don't muck up this time around, and shit all over nintendo.

Pez May 20, 2006 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infernal Monkey
Oh, the 'Connect' section of Sydney's Daily Telegraph did a pretty good write-up about the Wii. But they've always been pretty fair with all three consoles. Channel 7 news still wins for mainstream E3 coverage though.

"E3 IS THAT TIME OF YEAR WHEN NEW EXCITING COMPUTER VIDEO GAMES APPEAR"
"SONY AND MICROSOFT HAVE NEW GAMING SYSTEMS, SONY SHOCKED EVERYONE WITH ITS INNOVATIVE VIRTUAL REALITY PLAYSTATION 3 CONTROLLER"
"HALO 3 IS SET TO TAKE THE WORLD BY STORM WHEN IT LAUNCHES NEXT MONTH"
"NINTENDO HAS A NEW MARIO GAME"

*Footage of Wii Sports*

"HERE IS A GAME FROM AN AUSTRALIAN DEVELOPER FOR PC"

*Awful unplayable mess on screen for about five minutes*

"AND THAT ABOUT WRAPS UP WHAT'S BEEN GOING DOWN THIS YEAR"

A couple of days back The Advertiser (SA) had a single paragraph mentioning E3 and PS3's motion controller trumping Nintendo's offering (but not going so far as to imply Sony was the one being innovative). However, an article in the online Australian IT section was much more positive, entitled "Wii Wins Hearts at E3".

Omnislash124 May 20, 2006 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BurningRanger
This is a perfect example of what Nintendo is doing wrong right now.

Magazines and newspapers are fine, whatever. But right now Nintendo needs to be airing commercials for the Wii nonstop on any and all TV channels. Even if they're just teaser commercials for now, the key thing is they need to be getting their image out right now, before everyone hears about the PS3 controller and gets conned into thinking Nintendo stole something from Sony. If that happens, Nintendo's chances will be seriously hurt.

This is what really pisses me off. Nintendo has to quickly get this fact out to the people....the fact that this controller was their idea. I really do hate Sony right now for doing this, just leeching off of everybody else in the damn business. While I'm not exactly an Xbox fan, I do see the resemblence of the PS3 online capability to the XBox's and I do see Sony basically ripping off the idea and "making it better" with a lower cost. Seriously, what the hell? Then it follows suit with a half-assed tilt sensor? What are they thinking? The people who buy Sony's PS3 are not going to be interested in tilt sensors and furthermore, any developer who's going to implement tilt sensor in their game will just go to Nintendo because of a better system of motion sensoring and a cheaper dev kit.

On the other hand, Nintendo's target audience could care less for the Playstation 3 and whatever it offers. Nintendo's true audience would not care if PS3 did all this shit since it's set WAY out of any casual gamer/non-gamer's price range. Seriously, now that Sony's using "Tilt sensors" on their controllers, it's even harder to justify the $499/$599. PS3 may as well equal a Wii with better graphics and a shittier version of the Wii's motion sensor, and from what I see, the $300 is a longways away from being justified for simply better graphics that nobody is going to notice unless they're staring at point blank from the TV screen.

I dunno, I just don't know what to think anymore. I will personally be picking up a Wii at launch, but I doubt I'll ever pick up a PS3....not unless it drops below $300.

Protom@nNeo May 24, 2006 07:18 PM

From Famitsu:

"What games are you most interested in after E3?"

1. Zelda (Wii, Nintendo)
2. Final Fantasy XIII (PS3, Square Enix)
3. Metal Gear Solid 4 (PS3, Konami)
4. Dragon Quest Swords: (Wii, Square Enix)
5. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii, Nintendo)
6. Super Mario Galaxy (Wii, Nintendo)
7. Final Fantasy III (NDS, Square Enix)
8. Monster Hunter 3 (PS3, Capcom)
9. Biohazard-Serie (Wii, Capcom)
10. Halo 3 (Xbox 360)

"What hardware are you most looking forward to?"

Wii - 68,8 %
PS3 - 21,0 %
Xbox 360 - 7,2 %
NDS - 3,0 %

"What do you think about the PS3 price?"

88,4% very high
10,9% appropriate
0,7% cheap

I think I smell change in Japan coming this fall

TheReverend May 25, 2006 09:09 AM

Good news folks...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...top_world_news

Quote:

The company, creator of the Super Mario character, is counting on the release of the Wii console to win market share in home gaming from Sony Corp. and Microsoft Corp. The player won't cost more than 25,000 yen, said Yoshihiro Mori, Nintendo's senior managing director, at a news conference in Osaka. The company expects to ship 6 million Wii consoles this fiscal year, and about 17 million software games for the device.
By the way 25,000yen is roughly $225 US, $295 AUS, and $174 EURO.

:biggrin:

I am happy cause now I'm sure I will own a Wii this holiday season. And I think we are all happy!!

elevator May 25, 2006 09:32 AM

Yeah, just heard about that. 174 € converted from the japanese price could mean about 199 €/199 USD on launch. Like a lot of people already predicted.
Note how Mori implied that the price could be even lower.
I would be very willing to pay 199 :cool:

TheReverend May 25, 2006 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by elevator
Note how Mori implied that the price could be even lower.
I would be very willing to pay 199 :cool:

Wouldn't we all!!!!

I am so excited for this news. This puts the cherry on top. We obviously know it will be out in Japan, Australia, & the Americas by Christmas (Cassamassina - Perrin interview), so this just finishes Nintendo's brilliance and brings the Wii to be the hottest item this coming holiday season.

Prime Blue May 25, 2006 09:38 AM

Yoshihiro Mori said Wii will cost no more than 25.000 Yen/222 USD/174 € in Japan. He also stated it wouldn't cost more than 250 USD in the US. The European price is still undetermined but it should cost around 200 €.

Infos were posted on GameFront.

I can't tell you how glad I am about this news. :) Nintendo will make Wii affordable for any consumer. I just hope they'll have the success I wish them to.

TheReverend May 25, 2006 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prime Blue
He also stated it wouldn't cost more than 250 USD in the US. The European price is still undetermined but it should cost around 200 €.

He did state that it wouldn't be more than 25000 yen. We have to assume he means in Japan, but this should also translate to the US (please,please,please). BTW, the article I linked said nothing of a specific US price comment. Either way, I just hope they don't get cocky and try to sell this thing for $249 US. That is a big difference from $199. More in the head than in reality. $199 or less can potentially be an impulse buy in America, but 249 isn't for most.

This news is going to hit the game community like a nuke.

Prime Blue May 25, 2006 10:02 AM

As said, just copied it from GameFront. Here's the original message:

"Nintendo: 'Wii soll höchstens Yen 25.000 (Euro 174) kosten'

25.05.06 - Die Famitsu gibt bekannt, dass Wii höchstens Yen 25.000 (Euro 174 / USD 222) in Japan kosten wird. Das bestätigte Yoshihiro Mori, Nintendos Senior Managing Director, auf einer Pressekonferenz, auf der das Jahresergebnis vorgelegt wurde.

Wii würde demnach etwa 1/3 so viel kosten wie die PlayStation3, die als 20 GB Modell für Yen 62.790 (Euro 437 / USD 558) in Japan angeboten wird. Die Xbox 360 - in Japan nur als Premium-Modell erhältlich - kostet derzeit Yen 39.795 (Euro 353 / USD 277) und damit ca. 40 Prozent mehr als Wii.

Schon die letzten drei Hardware-Generationen von Nintendo kamen für Yen 25.000 in Japan auf den Markt: Super Famicom (Super NES), Nintendo 64 und Gamecube.

In den USA soll Wii nach Angaben von Nintendo nicht mehr als USD 250 (Euro 195 / Yen 27.968) kosten. Wo der Preis in Europa liegen wird, sagte Nintendo noch nicht: Geht man von den Preisangaben Japans und der USA aus, käme ein Preis um die Euro 200 in Betracht."

Babelfished:
Nintendo: ' Wii is to cost at the most Yen 25,000 (euro 174) ' 25.05.06 - The Famitsu communicates that Wii will cost at the most Yen 25,000 (euro 174/USD 222) in Japan. The confirmed Yoshihiro Mori, NINT DOS senior Managing Director, on a press conference, on which the year's result was submitted. Wii would therefore cost about 1/3 as much as the PlayStation3, which is offered to 62,790 (euro 437/USD 558) in Japan as 20 GB model for Yen. The Xbox 360 - in Japan only as Premium model available - costs at present Yen 39,795 (euro 353/USD 277) and thus approx.. 40 per cent more than Wii. Already the last three hardware generations of Nintendo came for Yen 25,000 into Japan on the market: Super Famicom (super NES), Nintendo 64 and Gamecube. In the USA Wii is not to cost no more than USD 250 (euro 195/Yen 27,968) according to data of Nintendo. Where the price will lie in Europe, Nintendo did not say yet: If one proceeds from the quotations of Japan and the USA, a price would be possible around the euro 200.

elevator May 25, 2006 10:15 AM

My bet is on 199.

There is really no reason why they´d sell it for 249 as the Yen price shows how cheap they can sell it and still make a profit (that´s what I assume as the hardware doesn´t seem to be very expensive) of it. Also all their other consoles were 199 on launch date as well - why should they interrupt this "chain" with the console that is meant to be bought by new and non-gaming costumers? I´d be surprised if it´ll cost more than 199 €/USD.

Technophile May 25, 2006 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elevator
My bet is on 199.

I´d be surprised if it´ll cost more than 199 €/USD.

Yeah especially cause the 360 will have some sort of a price-cut around that time to compete with Sony (and Nintendo even). We know this, they know this, everyone knows this.

Omnislash124 May 25, 2006 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elevator
My bet is on 199.

There is really no reason why they´d sell it for 249 as the Yen price shows how cheap they can sell it and still make a profit (that´s what I assume as the hardware doesn´t seem to be very expensive) of it. Also all their other consoles were 199 on launch date as well - why should they interrupt this "chain" with the console that is meant to be bought by new and non-gaming costumers? I´d be surprised if it´ll cost more than 199 €/USD.

I hope that the price is at $199US as well, but if you don't know yet, I don't think a single console gets a profit from the system itself, but from the games most of the time. Consoles need to sell for much lower prices to have people buy them. After that initial loss, they make it all back in their games.

BurningRanger May 25, 2006 02:56 PM

Nintendo consoles have never sold for a loss.

Lukage May 25, 2006 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Protom@nNeo
From Famitsu:

"What games are you most interested in after E3?"

1. Zelda (Wii, Nintendo)
2. Final Fantasy XIII (PS3, Square Enix)
3. Metal Gear Solid 4 (PS3, Konami)
4. Dragon Quest Swords: (Wii, Square Enix)
5. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii, Nintendo)
6. Super Mario Galaxy (Wii, Nintendo)
7. Final Fantasy III (NDS, Square Enix)
8. Monster Hunter 3 (PS3, Capcom)
9. Biohazard-Serie (Wii, Capcom)
10. Halo 3 (Xbox 360)

"What hardware are you most looking forward to?"

Wii - 68,8 %
PS3 - 21,0 %
Xbox 360 - 7,2 %
NDS - 3,0 %

"What do you think about the PS3 price?"

88,4% very high
10,9% appropriate
0,7% cheap

I think I smell change in Japan coming this fall

Unfortunately I'd have to completely disagree. There's not mention of one PC title, all SUPERB game: Supreme Commander, Neverwinter Nights 2, UT2K7, BioShock, and Spore.

EDIT: I hope this poll was only in regards to consoles.

FatsDomino May 25, 2006 06:39 PM

We're talking Famitsu here, Lukage. The Japanese are interested in four things for the PC: Pangya Golf, MMORPGs, dating sims, and hentai games (the last two boil down to the same thing most of the time). And most likely it was just a poll for just consoles and handhelds.

Chairman Kaga May 25, 2006 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Protom@nNeo
From Famitsu:

"What hardware are you most looking forward to?"

Wii - 68,8 %
PS3 - 21,0 %
Xbox 360 - 7,2 %
NDS - 3,0 %

"What do you think about the PS3 price?"

88,4% very high
10,9% appropriate
0,7% cheap

I think I smell change in Japan coming this fall

I like how it doesn't say how many people were polled.

Free.User May 25, 2006 08:58 PM

From IGN:

Quote:

Originally Posted by IGN
Famitsu.com polled its readers from 5/15 to 5/18 on four key questions related to all the big E3 announcements. The site used 294 responses to come to the following figures.


FatsDomino May 25, 2006 11:55 PM

294? That's a really pathetic poll.

Prime Blue May 28, 2006 01:00 PM

Japanese retailer PC-Success listed Nintendo's Wii for just 18000 Yen (160 USD/125 €). They have removed the price but it's still viewable in some price search engines.
Source: GameFront.de

Please save your "OMG!!!!!!!1 he believe a online shopp!!" for someone else. I know these are not reliable sources when it comes to prices and release dates but I think we're all dying for some news on Wii.

Technophile Jun 1, 2006 09:37 PM

Remember that Time Magazine article on Wii? Here are some of the mag's readers' replies. And the first two are idiotic assholes.

Quote:

“A Game for All Ages” [May 15] reported that Nintendo hopes its new game controller, which senses a player’s hand movements, will appeal to girls and grandparents. As a female gamer who has been playing video games since the days of Pac-Man, I am always amused by game companies that feel the need to target female gamers. Not one of the games aimed at girls has appealed to me. You know what I want in a game? How about realistic female characters instead of bouncy, skinny, half-naked ones? I’ve given up playing female characters in any game because of how they look. Does anyone really believe female warriors ran around wearing little more than a metal brassiere? If Nintendo is serious about wanting to reach the female audience, it should treat us with some respect. We like questing too!

MICHELLE HEDSTROM Santa Clara, Calif.
What a fucking dumbass whore. Yes a lot of videogames out there starring female leads have them wearing next to nothing, but why is she harping at Nintendo over this? As a company Nintendo's products tend to be as offensive as anything wholesome! When the hell did Daisy, Samus, Peach, Titania, etc. frolick around in buttfloss and nipple-pasties? I can understand if she was upset with Sony or Microsoft over this but Nintendo? And this is coming from a self professed "gamer"! I feel sorry for girl-gamers. Bitches like her must give them a terrible rep. Oh and I just love how she managed to stereotype videogames just like the ones made by other companies managed to stereotype her as a woman. Oh the sheer irony!

Quote:

Nintendo believes that nongamers do not play video games because they are “really hard” and the “learning curve is steep.” As a nongamer, I have another take: we do not play video games because we prefer fresh air and sunshine, exercise, good books and conventional card and board games that allow us to interact with other humans.

SUSAN MYCROFT Asheville, N.C.

Wow. That's not condescending at all! You hear that Nintendo? If you wanna lure in none-gamers into gaming, then stop creating amazing, innovative, and inclusive new gaming hardware and focus on providing us with none-gaming activities that are so much higher and mightier than videogames! =/


Some people's stupidity never ceases to amaze me. Bitchfest

Luxo Jun 1, 2006 10:28 PM

I thought that conventional card and board games were pretty much the same thing as any videogame, except for the fact that you necessarily need other people to play them. They even cost the same. What's that bitch complaining about, then? She hasn't heard of multiplayer games?

Geez.

chaofan Jun 2, 2006 12:26 AM

OMG that old granny from the second letter needs to try before she replies... You interact with other humans with multiplayer (as Luxo said) and Wii's multiplayer games seem to be able to emphasise that. What a luddite. My girlfriend's grandma's view on videogames changed when I showed her Brain Training... Must we make games like that just to show the world what games are all about (not that there's anything wrong with that, but is this the only way to get it through to their heads that games aren't anti-social anymore)?

As for the girl issue, head over to (http://www.gamingforce.com/forums/ge...ust-boys.html).

But at least Time is giving attention to Wii. Every other printed media that I know off brushed it off like a fly in their "E3 specials".

Protom@nNeo Jun 4, 2006 01:04 PM

Not sure if anyones seen this http://www.thewiire.com/news/340/1/A...of_the_Iceberg
It's an interview with a guy from ATI saying what we've seen thus far for the Wii is essentially the tip of the graphical icberg. I was actually hoping for something llike this, but with Nintendo's refusal to release specs, I wonder exactly what we're in for.

Technophile Jun 5, 2006 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Protom@nNeo
Not sure if anyones seen this http://www.thewiire.com/news/340/1/A...of_the_Iceberg
It's an interview with a guy from ATI saying what we've seen thus far for the Wii is essentially the tip of the graphical icberg. I was actually hoping for something llike this, but with Nintendo's refusal to release specs, I wonder exactly what we're in for.

Yeah I saw this a while back. I honestly don't even mind if what we saw at E3 was pretty much the peak of Wii's graphical power. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm a bit of a graphics-whore, but I really think Wii's visuals look more than adequate! The detail on Mario's denim overalls, for example, is great!

Anyway, here's another little tidbit mic/no mic?

I must say, with the wiimote doing what it does, having a speaker, and now a rumored mic, I'm very concerned with it's battery life. I believe I read somewhere that it's not gonna be rechargable anymore (at least not at first). Seems like that thing will go through batteries like crazy!


Oh and why is this thread so inactive now? :(

Neogin Jun 5, 2006 08:55 PM

If it's just several times more powerful than the Gamecube(like some people claim), then shoot, count me in. After seeing Resident Evil 4, and Metriod Prime 2, that's pretty damn good in my opinion.

No rechargable batteries? That's a bit of a downer.

Omnislash124 Jun 6, 2006 07:52 AM

Hell, Gamecube's graphics are good enough already, I really don't give a damn if they went better (though I'd like it). No Rechargable batteries? Damn. It's like a shot in the foot there. Hmm...It'll probably last a while anyways....like how long a single AA battery lasts in my notebook optical mouse. It's been going for like 4 months now.

EDIT: Why is this thread so inactive now?

NovaX Jun 6, 2006 08:49 AM

Maybe because the press coneference was back in May and there has been very little news since, and the influx of Wii news that came from the conference has been discussed to death.

Protom@nNeo Jun 7, 2006 12:30 PM

According to this article: http://www.thewiire.com/news/342/1/Pokemon_set_for_Wii

Nintendo, besides revealing Pokemon Battle Revolution (Which looks phenomenal!) for the Wii, also detailed some of the connectivity features of the DS and Wii. Among them being using the DS as a touch screen controller for the Wii. Nintendo has also said there are other secerets concerning connectivity between the two. Do you think its possible the DS could transport its screens via the Wii to a television? Enabling us to play DS games on a television.

K_ Takahashi Jun 7, 2006 12:35 PM

I'd prefer a mic in the controller so it would simulate a hand radio (perfect for online multiplayer games), a headset would only drain the wallet more...

Omnislash124 Jun 7, 2006 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K_ Takahashi
I'd prefer a mic in the controller so it would simulate a hand radio (perfect for online multiplayer games), a headset would only drain the wallet more...

Ditto. Though I can't imagine any Wii game using any VoIP. We're not talking about Socom here. (At least not with the Wiimote)

The DS/Wii Connectivity has a lot of potential. There are just so many possibilities that I can't even begin to think. Pokemon Battle Revolution looks fantastic. and all this is coming at a cost of < $250. Life is good.

Helloween Jun 7, 2006 09:43 PM

I never thought it could happen, but i think i might end up back into pokemon. I figured after Gold and Silver i was done, and out grown them. But latley i've been itching for some poke action, and new stuff. I think i'm going to have to invest in Pokemon Battle Revolution, and potentially Diamond and Pearl.

map car man words telling me to do things Jun 9, 2006 01:47 PM

I just got the new issue of Edge today (their e3 report took forever) and there was something I hadn't seen reported elsewhere, regarding the Virtual Console and the controller.

http://myy.helia.fi/~a0400729/Pics/IMG%20359.jpg

If this is to really happen, I for one would be extremely happy, while I'd guess a good quantity of people would feel extremely ripped off about even more separately sold add-ons.
Great (possible) news for retro nuts in either case.

K_ Takahashi Jun 9, 2006 02:33 PM

I saw the controller a while back (ona Wiki page I believe).

I still dont see how one could replicate the N64 controller in any other way.

map car man words telling me to do things Jun 9, 2006 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K_ Takahashi
I saw the controller a while back (ona Wiki page I believe).

I still dont see how one could replicate the N64 controller in any other way.

I'm not talking about the Classic controller itself (the classic controller's been discussed a lot here, Acer even made a nice photoshop of the prototype to include six face buttons), I'm talking about the replicas at the bottom.

As in, you could buy a SNES controller replica, or an N64 controller replica for the Wii and plug it in the Wiimote, just like the classic controller.

Omnislash124 Jun 9, 2006 03:05 PM

Oh my god. This better not be some cruel joke.

If this is true, then Nintendo has pulled off a definite win. Original style controls to go with the original games. This is pure heaven. This would take the cake. That's an NES, SNES, N64, Genesis controller. I'm not sure what the other one is though. But regardless, this would just own everything else PS3 or 360 try to pull.

Nintendo Owns Life.

K_ Takahashi Jun 9, 2006 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwarky
As in, you could buy a SNES controller replica, or an N64 controller replica for the Wii and plug it in the Wiimote, just like the classic controller.

That I did not know.

Yes, Nintendo FTW.

JazzFlight Jun 9, 2006 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omnislash124
That's an NES, SNES, N64, Genesis controller. I'm not sure what the other one is though.

Turbo GraFX 16 Controller.

map car man words telling me to do things Jun 9, 2006 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omnislash124
That's an NES, SNES, N64, Genesis controller. I'm not sure what the other one is though.

That's the PC Engine/TurboGraFX controller if I'm not mistaken. Its games were also announced available for the Virtual Console, so a definite win.

I just hope if they do this, they keep it accurate and release the SNES controller over here in Europe in the correct (Japanese) colors and not the US style.

http://myy.helia.fi/~a0400729/Pics/snes_europad.jpg

EDIT:
owned by Jazz~

Omnislash124 Jun 9, 2006 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwarky
That's the PC Engine/TurboGraFX controller if I'm not mistaken. Its games were also announced available for the Virtual Console, so a definite win.

I just hope if they do this, they keep it accurate and release the SNES controller over here in Europe in the correct (Japanese) colors and not the US style.

http://myy.helia.fi/~a0400729/Pics/snes_europad.jpg

EDIT:
owned by Jazz~

Meh....it wouldn't bother me if I had either, since the colors really don't register anything different for me. As opposed to the US SNES controller (What I had)....

http://www.retrousb.com/images/superretropad1_large.jpg

Though it does look somewhat more homosexual.....but let's not go into that....:)

map car man words telling me to do things Jun 9, 2006 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omnislash124
Meh....it wouldn't bother me if I had either, since the colors really don't register anything different for me. As opposed to the US SNES controller (What I had)....

Well I did say "over here in Europe". The US can do what they want, it'd be logical to retain the US colors since US players are most familiar with those. Same way I'm far more comfortable with the original colors and design of the console instead of the US box model.

Technophile Jun 9, 2006 04:33 PM

I know it's totally pushing it, but it'd be sweet if those replicas came packed in with Wii. But, I don't even see them selling these seperately. I mean, why create a seperate, all in one, classic Wii controller if you're gonna have the actual older controllers available?

Omnislash124 Jun 9, 2006 04:44 PM

Just a guess....but possibly, they could bundle the all-in-one controller with the Wii system, and then sell the others separately. At the same time, people could trade in older SNES/N64/Genesis or whatever controllers to get one that's compatible with the Wii for free. A stretch, yes, but a possibility maybe?

Alternatively, they could bundle cables so that you can use your old ones to hook up to the Wiimote. Be much easier rather than remake an old controller. I dunno, it's just wild speculation now.

map car man words telling me to do things Jun 9, 2006 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Technophile
I know it's totally pushing it, but it'd be sweet if those replicas came packed in with Wii. But, I don't even see them selling these seperately. I mean, why create a seperate, all in one, classic Wii controller if you're gonna have the actual older controllers available?

Because a lot of people don't want to buy multiple older controllers. The all-in-one classic controller is just that, it's a default "normal" controller and the replicas are for enthusiasts who want the real deal. Same way some people buy arcade sticks. You can play PC emulated games on a keyboard, but playing on a real controller is much more gratifying.

It's possible they won't go ahead with them in the end, but I like the idea of giving people the option, cause I sure as hell want to play my N64 games on the proper controller.

FatsDomino Jun 9, 2006 05:28 PM

My guess is if these are sold at all they would be available online through Nintendo's website. It wouldn't be logical to sell these through retail outlets unless they sell extremely well online and even then it's a crapshoot b/c you might have already expended the demand of such a niche market.

My guess is that if Nintendo doesn't go through with it (which they should) then 3rd party companies will come up with a better all-in-one solution classic controller (and they'd only need to add two more buttons on the face which is complete lol at Nintendo for not already figuring it out) or their own versions of retro controllers or snazzed up versions of retro controllers.

Lukage Jun 9, 2006 06:26 PM

Perhaps have some bundles where if you buy game X on the VC, you get controller X as well?

(Costs of course would be higher than buying the game alone)

Technophile Jun 9, 2006 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwarky
Because a lot of people don't want to buy multiple older controllers. The all-in-one classic controller is just that, it's a default "normal" controller and the replicas are for enthusiasts who want the real deal. Same way some people buy arcade sticks. You can play PC emulated games on a keyboard, but playing on a real controller is much more gratifying.

It's possible they won't go ahead with them in the end, but I like the idea of giving people the option, cause I sure as hell want to play my N64 games on the proper controller.

Yeah I guess that's true. Being that Wii's meant to appeal to both avid gamers and average cosumers, I think giving the most options would be the safest bet. I still think that having an NES replica's kinda redundant though since the wiimote itself seems to replicate one even better than the all-in-one retro Wii controller when held horizontaly.

Wall Feces Jun 9, 2006 08:40 PM

The retro controllers are an awesome idea that I think we speculated on wayyyy back when we first heard of the VC. It's great they're going to do this, even though I would probably only get the N64 one. I hope they release a plug adapter so you can use your current ones, though.

It would be nice if you bought a retro controller, it came with credit towards VC games on that particular system. That would atleast give people some more inscentive to buy them other than them being totally kick ass.

K_ Takahashi Jun 10, 2006 12:51 AM

I showed a few people the Wii e3 video, responses were mixed, but the majority thought it was a decent way to play games (the one that had a positive comment by nearly all was the sword part :edgarrock: ).

Technophile Jun 13, 2006 05:32 PM

Oh oh, Wii's secret slot's exposed. But what does it do?

Protom@nNeo Jun 13, 2006 10:30 PM

So help me god the thing below the circle looks like a DS slot. If Nintendo has finally given me the ability to play portable games on my tv out of the box, I will shit myself, literally!

Prime Blue Jun 14, 2006 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Protom@nNeo
So help me god the thing below the circle looks like a DS slot. If Nintendo has finally given me the ability to play portable games on my tv out of the box, I will shit myself, literally!

It would be great if the Wii recognised a DS near the console as "verification" to play the handheld games on the TV.
I wonder what that small "eye" is for. In the comments of the news it has been speculated that it might be a camera or a projector. What do you think? My guess is that it's a device to project 3D things into your room. I just can't imagine Nintendo to rip-off Sony's EyeToy. They wouldn't do such a thing...

chaofan Jun 14, 2006 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prime Blue
It would be great if the Wii recognised a DS near the console as "verification" to play the handheld games on the TV.
I wonder what that small "eye" is for. In the comments of the news it has been speculated that it might be a camera or a projector. What do you think? My guess is that it's a device to project 3D things into your room.

I posted about the 3D projection somehwere in the thread but I'll remind people again, IGN wrote a few months back about their theories on Wii's secret features, and there was one part of the rumour that included filmmakers commenting that they knew of one console that would use 3D projection. Put two and two together........

I noe I noe it's IGN but here's some food for thought.

Protom@nNeo Jun 14, 2006 09:15 AM

I'm not in the mood to google this technology, so can someone please enlighten me as to how 3d projection would hypothetically be implemented in gameplay.

Wall Feces Jun 14, 2006 10:19 AM

It would basically allow (I think) a 3D image to be projected in thin air. Either that, or a 3D image to be projected on a wall.

It's use in gameplay, I don't really know. I suppose what it could be used for is direct contact with the image while manipulating it with the Wiimote.

RABicle Jun 14, 2006 12:25 PM

It's just an SD card slot guys, get over it.

Klondike Jun 14, 2006 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RABicle
It's just an SD card slot guys, get over it.

It's pretty clear that it contains a camera as well, actually. I don't have the URL onhand, but I recently saw a photo with the slot opened and there's a very camera-like lens there.

Omnislash124 Jun 14, 2006 01:59 PM

It may be an SD card, but I just like the idea of being able to play GB/GBC/GBA/DS games on the Wii, as to not make those games obsolete (at least the GB/GBC titles)

Malmer Jun 14, 2006 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Technophile
Oh oh, Wii's secret slot's exposed. But what does it do?

It could also just be a photoshop. Seems the right time, people getting bored and anxious for more and all...


Ya'll know what it's really for.

http://img424.imageshack.us/img424/7388/famicom3en.jpg

map car man words telling me to do things Jun 14, 2006 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malmer

If it means the return of the awesome commercials, I wholeheartedly approve.

Omnislash124 Jun 16, 2006 03:11 PM

So the price of the virtual console games themselves....I heard it's between $4.00 and $9.00? Is this true? Because that's not bad at all.

FatsDomino Jun 16, 2006 03:22 PM

That's a reasonable guess and from hints that's likely, however there has been no set price set yet. As usual we're in the dark.

Malmer Jun 16, 2006 04:23 PM

Found this somewhere between internets.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2...compare5dy.jpg
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/6...eafter22mo.jpg

It's all good, only I liked the bigger A button.
Oh, and I'm starting to loathe the inevitable use of a house-symbol for "home". Bring back the simple blue dot(!)


I just made this thread go into even more trivial tidbits :(

Soldier Jun 16, 2006 05:11 PM

Quote:

If it means the return of the awesome commercials, I wholeheartedly approve.
I request a gif of the enraged dork.

"SUPA MARIO BROTHAAAAASSS!" :mad:

Free.User Jun 16, 2006 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AcerBandit
That's a reasonable guess and from hints that's likely, however there has been no set price set yet. As usual we're in the dark.

Actually, Iwata confirmed that exclusive games on the VC (games developmed by small, low-budget teams just for the VC) will cost between $4.50 and $8.99 USD. Source.

chaofan Jun 23, 2006 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malmer
Found this somewhere between internets.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2...compare5dy.jpg
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/6...eafter22mo.jpg

It's all good, only I liked the bigger A button.
Oh, and I'm starting to loathe the inevitable use of a house-symbol for "home". Bring back the simple blue dot(!)


I just made this thread go into even more trivial tidbits :(

Skinnied, fattened and slimmed, but apparently they're STILL throwing ideas around. Oh dear. Bring it out by Oct/Nov this year Nintendo!

On a brighter note, it's great to see NOAustralia garnering Wii attention. Saw a few ads and deals from Toys R' Us and other SMALLER GAME STORES (unlike EB). Screw you EB, where's my Wii? PS3 in November WOOPDEDOO.

"I saw a few stores getting ready to campaign for the Nintendo Wii. What about you guys? Any word on the release date?"
"What's the Wii?"
"... Uh... The new name for the upcoming Nintendo Revolution."
"Oh must be just recently cause we've never heard of it before."
"Toys R' Us did. Video Gaming Heaven did."
"Um... Okay. For the time being though, you should check out PS3 over there..."

And finally to clear things up, I've read all the posts about it here but is it that both the Wii-mote and the nunchuck add-on have motion sensors? IS it that the Wii-mote has gyroscopic technology whereas the nunchuck only has tilt sensor? I need some clarification for my own sanity -_-'.

Infernal Monkey Jun 23, 2006 12:57 AM

Yeah, the Aussie Toys R Us are giving away a free game with the Wii if you pre-order now, which is pretty awesome.

map car man words telling me to do things Jun 23, 2006 06:54 AM

By game they obviously mean FREE NINTENDO SPORTS DEMO DISC =o

Infernal Monkey Jun 23, 2006 07:29 AM

If it includes that WiiSports Airplane, then that'd do!
"THIRTY SECOND TIME LIMIT"

Then Iwata appears on screen, laughing. :(

Kilroy Jun 28, 2006 08:29 AM

I'm usually waaaaaay too late when it comes to this, but some website has the "Big Secret". I'll quote it now, just to spoil the surprise.
Quote:

Nintendo Wii big secret revealed

The Nintendo Wii secret wasn't what you thought.

Nintendo fanboy's have been obsessing over every detail of information that Nintendo has released about their upcoming next-generation console, the Wii. While tidbits have leaked out and theories have been formed, one bit of rumor has been floating around for quite some time. Fans, analysts, and journalists alike have obsessed over a simple flap on the upcoming console, claiming it to be Nintendo's next big secret.

Nintendo of America's president, Reggie Fils-Aime, has finally broken the silence on the big secret. It's... not a secret at all really. The flap turns out to be the port for the storage media of the Wii.

In an interview with Game Informer, Fils-Aime said, "That is where an SD card goes. That's storable media. And on top are the attachments for the GameCube controllers."

So much for a big secret. Fils-Aime went on to include that SD cards won't be the only memory storage available to the Wii, "It will be one of the memory mediums, and it's the only one that we've announced."
What the hell was the point with holographics, anyway?

So... An SD-reader? Not too bad. SD-cards are cheap. Way cheaper than "real" memory cards. As long as I don't have to buy silly memorycards, like this generation, I'm satisfied!

Omnislash124 Jun 28, 2006 08:55 AM

Lol, talk about overhype, but it's still good, SD cards really are cheap. And they're much more universal. And compatible with your computer. Lol, I see some people hacking into their saves. or at least FAQs on how to hack your saves.

NovaX Jun 30, 2006 12:36 AM

HUZZAH!

K_ Takahashi Jun 30, 2006 01:40 AM

The Synch will probably link other systems so multiplayer games can deal less with connection issues.

RABicle Jun 30, 2006 02:37 AM

Or more likely, the sync button will sync the contents of your flash drive with your SD card.


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