The Ultra Street Fighter 4 Burger Challenge
 

Step 1. A bunch of us get together to play Ultra.
Step 2. Every time you lose a match on the Diner stage, you add 1 to your Burger Quotient.
Step 3. You go to meet next year and eat that number of burgers (in a single sitting).

Burger Amendment 1: On Pinball Wizardry

Two burgers shall ever be the WAGES OF MARS. Whomever both punches and REIGNS OVER MARS* shall assign the fate of these Pinburgers, and so shall the Martian soil be stained forever with the blood of the punched. If the title of MARS LORD is seized by a nonpuncher, the burgers will not be shifted 'til next a puncher shall take the throne.

*has the current high score among us on the Mars table on Pinball FX2.

Amendment 1 repealed as of January 1

Burger Amendment 2: Conservation of Burgers

As of the creation of the 52nd burger, the total number of burgers shall be frozen until such time as a 14th burger-holder enters the rankings (whereupon the burger cap will increase to 56, and etc). Future burgers earned will be deducted from the burger count of the match winner. Burgers are no longer created. In the event of the match winner having no burgers, said match winner may be allowed to enter a state of Negative Burger).

Burger Tally

Pang : 10 + 2 Lag Burgers
Acer: 8
Diss: 5 + 1 Angry Burger
Term: 6
Shade: 2 + 2 Pin Burgers
^___^: 3
Garr: 3
Mo0: 3
SuperSonic: 3
Rasputin : 2
Capo: 1
Juan: 1 Angry Burger
Hawkeye: 1 Lag Burger
Pack: 1

Total: 54 Burgers (or burger-equivalents) out of possible 56

GLOSSARY

Angry Burger: As standard burger, except adapted to be unbearably hot and spicy via means as yet undetermined. Granted by loss in an Angry Diner match (a match containing only Oni, Akuma, or Evil Ryu).
Lag Burger: As standard burger, but eaten in a slow, jerky, uncoordinated fashion. You must mash the burger into your face at least once. Granted by loss in a Diner match that was badly hampered by lag.
Pin Burger: As standard burger, but flipped into one's mouth with an implement (the burger must be in midair briefly). Granted by punishment from the Lord of Mars.
Perfect Burger: As standard burger, but the largest possible variety of that burger and with all available toppings in the maximum amounts. Granted by a Double Perfect loss in a Diner match.
Burrito: Literally a burrito and not just a weird burrito-esque burger. Ideally of roughly the same bulk as the standard burger. Probably should be a beef burrito for consistency's sake. Granted by loss to El Fuerte in a Diner match.
Shiny Burger: NATURE UNDETERMINED (sugar glazing?). Granted by losing a Diner match by 2 Ultra Finishes at the hand of Dan's Ultra 1 (Shisso Buraiken).

Given the fact I lose errytime all the time (I CAN LOSE ALL DAY, WINSTON. ALL DAY.) I may die if I take part in this.

I like burgers, and I like Street Fighter. How do I make this happen. Like, do I uppercut the burger?

Step 1. A bunch of us get together to play Ultra.
Step 2. Every time you lose a match on the diner stage, you add 1 to your Burger Quotient.
Step 3. You go to meet next year and eat that number of burgers.
Step 4. We all attend Deni's funeral.

The premise of the Burger Challenge is simple.

For each fight (against another GFF member) that you lose on the Diner stage, 1 Burger is added to your score. Next June during Meet, each of us must eat (in one sitting) a number of burgers equal to those we have earned via our bad, incompetent street fighting.

Those who do not attend Meet may participate, but if you agree to join the Burger Challenge, you will be expected to provide video evidence of your compliance to the Burger Rule within the 1-week window of Meet. Or else: weak, ineffectual consequences!

If you are able to uppercut a burger in mid-air in such a way that it lands in your mouth, it shall count as 1.25 burgers.

e: f;b

Is this the first year you guys are doing this, or was this done at the past meet but no one talks about it because they had to hide the body.

Garr and I were talking about that last night; does it only count during bigger group play, or even individually? Cause if it's just the times that two of us are playing it means there's gonna be a lot of burgers for some people. It also means that Garr has earned a burger.

We don't talk about the Burger Basement.

As long as both parties concur that a burger-eligible combat happened, I see no reason to limit the burger tally to large punchfests. Give the man his burger.

Garr can correct me since it's his Potential Burger but at the time I believe we agreed to forego burgering since we were just experimenting with different things rather than actually fighting. I'll leave him off the list for now unless he feels differently.

Does you guys do random select on stage and if Diner comes up it comes up, or is there a stage select metagame of whether or not someone picks Diner?

We almost always random; I don't think anyone's ever deliberately picked the diner before. I don't imagine anyone wants to open that can of worms, because once it happens you'd have revenge diner selections going on and it would quickly turn into everyone has to eat literally a thousand burgers.

Thinking about this, I don't think I've won on Diner stage yet.

Now Deep Jungle... THATS a stage.

I'm horrified by what I think could be your implication for the loser on that stage.

For every match lost in Inland Jungle, simulate the heat, humidity and biodiversity of the rainforest by drinking a glass of hot tub water.

For every match lost in Pitch-Black Jungle, as above, but alone in the dark in the Murder Basement.

See, this is great, but I want to eat burgers next year, so this complicates things.

What, are you giving up on Rolento already?

Crap, I was actually picking the Drive-In stage from time to time because it's one of my favorites. I'll try to remember not to do that from now on...

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Blast Furnace: Piping hot spicy soup.

This is a dark path to go down.

Only if you lose in Pitch-black Jungle.

Since this is apparently the Ultra bullshit thread: Announcement: Opt-in beta patch on August 20th :: Ultra Street Fighter IV General Discussions

We get to opt in for a beta of online fixes weeks post launch. Videogames!

Wonder if beta players will be able to play non beta players.

Money's on no.

Find out Wednesday!

Also going straight to Endless is resulting in generally playable games for me. Just made an entire lobby of dudes quit though.

Beta patch is out. Still having some problems but seems generally better than before, Ranked is largely playable now. It has now separately introduced a bit of weird issue where it likes to freeze OUTSIDE of the actual match (in the matchmaking selection and search screens). In-game seems to be improved though, I played (and got wrecked largely) about 10 or so matches and I think I only had 2 significant lag/freeze spikes whereas I was getting at least one a match before. Generally speaking reports are all over the place, seems better for some folks but a lot of people are saying it's no better, so who knows.

Also supposedly only beta players can play with beta players, but it seems to just be filtering ranked/endless searches that way; a friends endless lobby who isn't in the beta won't show in a search, but you can manually join or be invited to it and it works. Honestly I wouldn't see any reason not to opt in though.

We were discussing another idea last night. If you lose to El Fuerte, you have a burrito added to your tally. Meet 2015 is nothing but burritos and Burgers.

I don't see any downside to this.

Wouldn't quesadillas be more appropriate? They also stack nicely.

Yes, but that also doesn't start with a B so you lose any compelling alliteration.

Hmmm. Taco Bell has that quesadilla wrapped burrito now?

August 29, 1:24 AM: Diss devises a rudimentary method by which he may be able to try to counter that.

http://www.saxypunch.com/punch/potentialcountering.png

Tonight we played like six goddamn burger matches and Term wasn't in any of them and Term still has the most burgers somehow.

He's just so hungry.

You LOST, you get ONE BURRITO!

That is not the title of this thread! Don't be mad just because you got two burgers in an hour!

I believe the Fuerte Corollary applied only to Diner matches as well. That is to say, losing to Fuerte on Diner will get you a burger AND a burrito, whereas losing to Fuerte elsewhere does not earn a burrito at all.

There have been no Diner losses to Fuerte as yet. No one has endured The Complete Shame.

I accept this and insist on it.

http://www.hitbox.tv/video/263305

After much time I have finally rejoined punch crew. I actually win a few matches. In a row! But I earn my first two burgers of many to come. And give one to diss too! I had a good time.

GOUKEN NO

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Balrog finds this behavior absolutely shocking.

http://www.saxypunch.com/punch/youseemsurprised.jpg

Omega Mode. What.

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I think we need nicknames for people with burgers:

BURGER KING - "King of the Burgers" - Whoever has the most burgers at any given time. Right now Diss is the Burger King. Please let that be noted for our posterity.

Then it goes down in obvious descending order:

BURGER QUEEN, BURGER JACK, TEN OF BURGERS, etc.

The "winner" would end up being ACE OF BURGERS so that's cool.

Everyone gets a nickname and is humiliated for even playing.

Wait... the person who wins the Diner battle gets to be the ACE OF BURGERS or is that the person who has the most burgers over-all by the time meet comes or the person who has the least burgers over-all by the time meet comes? I'm unclear about this.

You're talkin a lot of shit for being the only person to get burgers on a character he actually knows how to play, Erik.

Nope.

The winner is obviously the person with the least burgers!

DO NOT

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FUCK

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WITH

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NASA

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Fucking with NASA confirmed to end in sadness.

Additional Spam:
There is a whole bunch of stuff going on this weekend, though it's all overseas so it's happening at hours that are earlier (or later) than you'd typically expect.

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Fine. :(

New patch hitting tomorrow: haunts > Manage Blog

Honestly haven't touched this since before Destiny came out, has the online on PC actually gotten any better?

The netcode on the PC is great as long as Pang isn't involved.

None of us bother with ranked though so who knows

Been trying to practice with Makoto (my secondary character) in Ultra Street Fighter IV and have wanted to upload this video for quite a while.

Unfortunately, the game's Youtube upload sucks (aka it doesn't work) so I finally just used XSplit instead.

Moral of the story: Stay Calm and Seichusen Godanzuki.

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Been meaning to do this for a while - had already replaced the training stage music, and now I replaced the rest of the stage as well with a version of the classic Ryu stage some dude made. Looks rad.

http://i.imgur.com/knTpD9m.png

No more boxes.

[ 21:30:58 ] [ +Garr ] dude it just fucking dawned on me
[ 21:31:06 ] [ +Garr ] someone needs to make a president mod for ultra street fighter 4
[ 21:34:24 ] [ +Pang ] I don't know what that means
[ 21:34:46 ] [ +Garr ] Ok, so America has had 44 presidents so far, right?
[ 21:34:53 ] [ +Garr ] There are 44 characters in Street Fighter right now
[ 21:34:55 ] [ +Garr ] Am I wrong?
[ 21:35:26 ] [ +Pang ] You are... not wrong.
[ 21:35:57 ] [ +Garr ] I guess Grover Cleveland would have to be in there twice
[ 21:36:02 ] [ @CHz ] Evil Grover Cleveland
[ 21:36:05 ] [ +Garr ] ^
[ 21:36:13 ] [ +Garr ] So it still works!

[ 21:41:24 ] [ +AcerBandit ] so like which presidents would be mapped to the female characters?
[ 21:41:46 ] [ +AcerBandit ] i want to know which president is ibuki

[ 21:47:27 ] [ +Pang ] Her enthusiasm for knives, the pelts of animals, and strangling people makes Ibuki a strong contender for Teddy Roosevelt
[ 21:53:00 ] [ +Pang ] Satsui no Pullman Strike Intervention ni Mezameta Guroba

[ 21:54:05 ] [ +Garr ] I'm out, dudes, see you all later.
[ 21:54:07 ] ? ? Quits : Garr [ ~Garr@PSI-DA1E31EB.lightspeed.bkfdca.sbcglobal.net ]
[ 21:54:46 ] [ +Pang ] Garr is not prepared to combat the Wrath of the Raging Cleveland
[ 22:03:05 ] [ +AcerBandit ] i'd main the hell out of teddy roosevelt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Rsd2if6PY8

Anyone who missed the Canada Cup grand finals is a FOOL.

Yeah I was hype as fuck watching that live, fantastic set.

The burritos took so long to prepare, but were so large and satisfying.

And now, the matches that had maybe the greatest moment up until the grand finals. Witness the rise of MIKE BALROG.

The man
The legend

NEC 15 this weekend.

I'm going to miss the 2nd set of pools on Saturday for Ultra :(

Also worth noting that not on the schedule there is there's supposed to be a FT7 Smug vs Pepeday, no idea when though.

Ditto. But to be fair, I'll most likely just wait for Top 8.

Whilst I love watching the Street Fighting, I do wish there were some decent commentators somewhere on the planet, or that they'd offer a version with just the match on. If you watch actual sport the commentators generally add something, explaining what's going on and pointing out nuances you might have missed. These two clowns just shout "NICE" a lot and add nothing to the match whatsoever. I think sorting out the commentary would go a long way to making e-sports more mainstream.

I think that depends a lot on your target audience. This tournament wasn't a Capcom-sponsored major event, it's just a dude who puts on a tournament, so I imagine they were probably aiming it more at people who already know a fair bit about the game and don't need that sort of in-depth description.

Anything with James Chen and Ultradavid is probably something that you would appreciate more; I think they're still my favourite pair but I do like the style in the linked video as well. I have to head out for a bit but I'll link them calling a match later.

Try this match out for some commentary that focuses more on discussing the game mechanics and character match-up, Shin.

While I do like UltraChen, the combo I enjoy the most is Sp00ky and IFC|Yipes. Any freakin day.

THE POWER OF BURGERTIME GROWS!

Two burgers shall ever be the WAGES OF MARS

Whomever both punches and REIGNS OVER MARS* shall assign the fate of these Pinburgers, and so shall the Martian soil be stained forever with the blood of the punched.

If the title of MARS LORD is seized by a nonpuncher, the burgers will not be shifted 'til next a puncher shall take the throne.

*has the current high score among us on the Mars table on Pinball FX2.

CURRENT MARS LORD: CAPO (NONPUNCHER)

It turns out that leaked SF5 teaser was intended for that Sony Playstation Experience event. They did talk about SF5, and released some more gameplay footage that looks pretty interesting. I think some of the particle effects are overdone by SF standards, but this is obviously a really early build and the visuals (specifically particles) always change significantly by release. Not really sure how to interpret that launch off the ground - I hope it doesn't turn into Marvel.

The game has also been confirmed as a PS4 console exclusive as well as being available on the PC, and the really cool thing now is that there will be cross-play support between the two platforms.


I don't disagree they're great, but that is pretty much an exclusively MvC commentary pair.

Super hyped about the actual gameplay they showed. Guard Breaks!?

They also said that at Capcom Cup next weekend there will be a live gameplay demonstration, so keep an eye out for that I guess.

Yeah, that's much more like it. :)

You should watch the Capcom Cup tournament next weekend. 16 of the top players in the world for nothing but SF4 (which is a slower game and easier to commentate as opposed to say Marvel) and the commentary is going to be Ultrachen/CF/Mike Ross. They usually specifically try to have good commentary for the official events, James Chen in particular often goes out of his way to try to explain some things for beginners.

I remember spending a morning working off a hangover playing MvC2 in an arcade once and our mate who has pretty much never played SF in his life and came along just to watch was close to throwing up after trying to follow what was going on for half an hour. He had to look away anytime someone pulled out one of those silly combos where you get all three characters on the screen at once. Happy days...

Most (smaller) events have everyone playing everything so they have on the fly commentators who are simply nice enough to sit down and do it while everyone else was playing. There's millions of sports commentators who aren't good at their jobs, and yet they get paid for it. These guys are often just normal players who are asked to please sit for a moment so the stream isn't completely empty.

Like Diss said, UltraDavid and James Chen are a great pair, and I do like Seth Killian.

For Marvel, Yipes is of course unbeatable, but I really, really like it when Genesis is on. They're not super informative, but they're very entertaining and fun to listen to.

EDIT: as for the esports comment, I can tell you don't really watch much. Large events for something like Starcraft or DOTA or Counter-Strike already have very talented commentators and big presentation.

E-Sports hasn't really caught on in the UK, I'll watch occasional matches but what's available online is a bit too American in it's presentation style for me to enjoy it. What the UK needs is for a major broadcaster like Channel 4 to pick up some big tournaments and chuck the kind of money and attention at them they did to the Paralympics or continue to do to NFL which would hugely increase interest over here.

Holy shit.

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MOM'S SPAGHETTI

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For a game that is probably at an absolute minimum 10 months out looking pretty good (most are speculating it'll be 1st quarter 2016). Still completely dying at the noodles. Also the new longer cut of the original gameplay trailer looks like Charlie is going to be in??

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And $500,000 prize pool for Capcom Cup 2015? Daaaaaaaaaaaaamn.

Someone on r/kappa uploaded pics of the new furry DLC for all characters and colors:

All Costumes and Colors for the USF4 Wild DLC : Kappa

I have to admit some of them are actually pretty rad.

Greetings, Burgerfriends. Since I like math, I have taken it upon myself to examine our burger numbers in more detail in an attempt to see what would happen if everyone had identical play times. Obviously this is not the case and those who play more tend to accrue more burgers just by the increased probability of a burger match coming up, and so on.

What I first attempted was to normalize burgers according to hours played as recorded by Steam. This, of course, was problematic as Steam hours don't take into account time actually spent burger punching, as leaving the game open, waiting in lobbies, spectating, and training all contribute to this value. As a result, this is probably not a reliable metric to use.

What I decided upon was reconstructing, as best I could, people's actual time spent punching, which is why I asked all of you for the data that I did. Obviously there are many assumptions made necessarily that will increase the error of the results, but what can you do?

Here are the input numbers as recorded at the time of analysis. Note that special burgers are the sum total of a player's earned non-normal burgers. If a player had earned a perfect burger and an angry burger, his special burger value would be 2.

My methodology is as follows, using my own data as an example.

Using your round victory data (perfect, normal, time, etc.) it's easy to sum them to determine the total number of rounds that you have won. In my case:

Since I also have data for number of fights and wins, I can calculate losses. Given a regular first-to-two match format, I can estimate the number of rounds won in wins (at 2 rounds per win) which leaves the rest of the rounds won as rounds won in a match that was ultimately lost (e.g. winning a round and then losing the next two).


Assuming a standard round duration (e.g. 65 seconds) with the exception of time wins (99 seconds) it is possible to estimate each player's total time spent in actual burger-eligible combat. Note that Pang's numbers are inaccurate and I have not yet attempted to control for that. The round time doesn't really matter a lot, as it is applied consistently for each player, but I thought it would be interesting to see how long actual fight time measured.


I then took the player's fight time (again, 84.2 hours to use myself as an example) and divided that by the average communal fight time (21.9 hours) in order to calculate each individual's Burger Factor, and divided their earned burgers by that value.


I have taken the liberty of rounding up to the next whole burger in these data, but actual numbers are available if you are legitimately curious. I'll just upload the spreadsheet or something if anyone besides Skills cares enough to see it.

When I sum these adjusted burgers, the total is 115.6, far higher than our total Actual Burger value of 49. I took the calculated value and divided by the actual value to get a Burger Inflation Factor, which was 2.36. I then divided all previously stated Adjusted Burger Values (raw, not rounded, obvs) to get a final burger score for each individual.


The only problem with this is that since this creates a zero-sum burger relationship, Mo0 has taken the majority of the burgers (as you might expect) so everyone else's totals are proportionally deflated. I have not removed Mo0 as an outlier, but I will update this after doing so.


If I just delete Mo0 outright, a desire with which we can all relate, then burgers are distributed as follows:

Diss down to one burger. Of course.

CAN YOU FUCKING READ

OK, two burgers then?

In all examples, Pang eats all the burgers. This has gone well.

It is expected that a LIAR should support a system built on incomplete data.

To avoid excessive burger concentrations, I thought it best to cap the total possible burgers in order to avoid anyone having to eat 40 burgers. However, 50 burgers might theoretically result in a too-shallow burger pool if a few more people burger-earn. After some discussion in chat wherein Skills attempted to foul up Burger Business with dumb convoluted bullshit, we arrived at a Burger Comfort Coefficient of 4, whereas the average person can eat 3-4 burgers before wishing he or she was no longer eating burgers (as always, we round up).

Therefore, assuming a cap of 4 burgers per person, the burger cap should be 4 times the number of burger-holding punchers. The current number of burger-holders is 13, placing us at a current cap of 52; conveniently close to the current burger total of 51. While punching when the burger cap has been reached, burgers will not be created instead simply transferred from the match winner to the match loser, retaining the burger quality whenever possible.

SO IT IS.

If only someone did not throw out half their data!

If I attempt to extrapolate Pang's numbers over a longer time period to compensate for his data being incomplete, the following results are achieved. I have also elected to delete Mo0, because why would you not do that



If Mo0 is included, he still has to eat 29 burgers.

Is that in addition to the 29 burgers he would have eaten for dinner anyway?

I believe that counting the allotted burgers as a meal is acceptable practice.