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Gechmir Apr 19, 2006 05:16 PM

"Well, That Ruined It" Experiences in Anime
 
I recently watched Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien.

Read if you've seen it all:
Fourteen episode series. Thirteen of those were perfect. Then the final episode hit.

The love triangle went the COMPLETE opposite direction from how I wanted. Mizuki looked worse and worse as a person. And I felt more and more sorry for Haruka.

But, in the end, Haruka tells Narumi that she doesn't love him anymore. It looked like the anime was building toward him leaving Mizuki, who almost forced the relationship onto him.

But noooooooooooooooooooooooo. He ends up going back to Mizuki. After she slept around on him, told him to not visit Haruka in the hospital, etc.

This completely ruined my opinion of the anime.

The first thirteen episodes were perfect then the last one completely ruined it. Entirely ruined the whole damn thing. I don't see myself ever picking up this anime again. It's hard to describe. Makes me wish I didn't even get a direct ending to it.

Ever have this problem with an anime? Something in the ending completely ruined and derailed the experience. Or made you rather angry/upset. The ending to Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien left me in a very, veeeery sour mood, to put it lightly. It has probably the best soundtrack I've ever heard, no contest. But I won't touch it again. At least not for a very, very long time.

Use spoilers tags, prease =I Lemme know if this is a dupe of another thread and I'll close it.

elwe Apr 19, 2006 05:35 PM

Like many others, the last episode of Rurouni Kenshin completely enraged me. I mean, the last arc was already bad enough, and just when I thought it couldn't get any worse...

Spoiler:
one of the worst endings imaginable came up. The real-life footage also really bothered me!


As a result, I refused to recognize the ending to the series.

Another mildy disappointing one was for Air. Now, I'm not saying the last episode was bad. On the contrary, I loved it! However, that one bit they threw in near the end,

Spoiler:
with Misuzu's "mom" "floating" in the air while giving her speech completely ruined the mood set up by Misuzu's death.

map car man words telling me to do things Apr 19, 2006 05:39 PM

Mahoromatic, naturally.

A wonderfully enjoyable, funny and somewhat touching series (two seasons) otherwise, with cute, endearing characters, the last two episodes - or rather, the last episode and the last 10 minutes of the second last episode - were one big FUCK YOU note to the fans from Gainax.

I've since then (two years) been unable to watch even the pleasant episodes of either season and it's even more awkward because I have both seasons burned to disc. I guess I should be glad I didn't buy them on DVD.

maneve Apr 19, 2006 05:51 PM

I have to agree with Qwarky on that one. The last episode of Mahoromatic threw me for a fit for sure. The way they just kind of changed the entire series.

Spoiler:
Jumping to such a far and akward future like that. The last couple minutes really sucked too. Suddenly Mahoro comes back after however many years. Bah.


also, as much as I loved Rozen Maiden, there were so many ideas that they just didn't seem to complete.

Spoiler:
That bit of love story at the end of season one between Shinku and Jun only really showed up for the last bit of season one. Suiseiseki's feelings for Jun kind of came around every once in awhile, but wasn never really explained. The fact that Jun became Suiseiseki's medium only came into play once when Shinku wasn't fighting Bara.

PiccoloNamek Apr 19, 2006 05:55 PM

Not an Anime, but a manga (I hope that's okay...)

About 3/4 of the way through book 8 of the Chobits manga,
Spoiler:
where Freya says "We do, not have emotions." And "Daddy called us his "Chobits", but we're no different from his other persocoms. We cannot function outside of our programming."


WHAT?! You mean you've been stringing me along for 7 and 3/4 books only to drop that bomb on me right at the very end??

I felt pretty sour after that.

chato Apr 19, 2006 06:01 PM

The only Anime that got hit very hard is definately Rurouni Kenshin.

Spoiler:

In the manga he is alive, now he's dead in the anime. Showing small footage of the Jinchuu Arc in Seisouhen was unnecesarry. The writer could've done so much with it or just animate that after the Kyoto Arc.

Kenshin lived happily for a while after his fight with Shishio Makoto. I think the Jinchuu arc was the best. I only wish he would make up for that but it wont happen =/


I guess in the anime biz, its all about the money. :rolleyes: . Which is why , when there is a Death Note anime coming up, i dont want it to fail or end like kenshin. the Filler has to be very good (I wouldn't mind a filler arc with L and Raito but it has to be before the Yotsuba arc)

Rei no Otaku Apr 19, 2006 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a_redneck
I recently watched Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien.

Read if you've seen it all:
Fourteen episode series. Thirteen of those were perfect. Then the final episode hit.

The love triangle went the COMPLETE opposite direction from how I wanted. Mizuki looked worse and worse as a person. And I felt more and more sorry for Haruka.

But, in the end, Haruka tells Narumi that she doesn't love him anymore. It looked like the anime was building toward him leaving Mizuki, who almost forced the relationship onto him.

But noooooooooooooooooooooooo. He ends up going back to Mizuki. After she slept around on him, told him to not visit Haruka in the hospital, etc.

This completely ruined my opinion of the anime.

The first thirteen episodes were perfect then the last one completely ruined it. Entirely ruined the whole damn thing. I don't see myself ever picking up this anime again. It's hard to describe. Makes me wish I didn't even get a direct ending to it.

QFT!!

Spoiler:
I couldn't stand Mizuki. She took complete advantage of Narumi's feelings, and forced him into that relationship. She was a drunk, a whore and a horrible woman. I've never hated a character more than I hate Mizuki. She completely ruined that show.

Summonmaster Apr 19, 2006 08:54 PM

Full Metal Alchemist wasn't totally spoiled, but the ending was really rushed. Yes, I've watched Conqueror of Shambala and I know the manga went farther, but that's not enough:
Spoiler:
What happened to Dante and Gluttony? You can't just be left hanging with a shot of an empty elevator. Yes, yes gluttony in conqueror....but Dante?


Fruits Basket was unresolved and the adventures of the Sohma family were rather truncated in the anime:
Spoiler:
Where is the rooster member of the Zodiac? Why does Kyo transform and transform back because of his beads? What of Akito after Tohru and group leave the main house? Why couldn't we get at least a definitive happy ending instead of the implied one?

chato Apr 19, 2006 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rei no Otaku
QFT!!

Spoiler:
I couldn't stand Mizuki. She took complete advantage of Narumi's feelings, and forced him into that relationship. She was a drunk, a whore and a horrible woman. I've never hated a character more than I hate Mizuki. She completely ruined that show.


Spoiler:
agreed. Its also a little sad that her little sister Akane had to go through alot of bs even in the spinoff

aku Apr 19, 2006 09:01 PM

The entire Wolf's Rain OVA part...yeah, they needed more to the store, but that was uncalled for!
Wolf's Rain Spoiler:
there is NO NEED to kill off every single main charater from the show, NO NEED, ever...esspecialy to have a basic rebirth of the planet, and have all the wolves that you have seen every episode be the only ones there...Chez, Hubb, Quient? what happened to them, because Cheza is there, and she by no means is a wolf. That still doesnt change that fact that i love the show though...


And people, you can spoiler = 'balbalbal' to say what show its spoiling now have fun with that :)

Lukage Apr 19, 2006 10:48 PM

I sit down with a friend.

"Hey friend, what anime is this?"

"Harr harr, its Outlaw Star, SHUT UP!

"Okies, I'll watch it."

"OMG THAT WAS A NIFTY ANIME!"

"Did you just let me watch the LAST episode of an anime before seeing the rest of it?"

"....."

Experience......RUINED!

Rockgamer Apr 19, 2006 11:09 PM

I was a little angry over the ending for Those Who Hunt Elves II, mainly because

Spoiler:
they still didn't get home! The series was pretty enjoyable overall, but to know that after all that they still didn't get home (It only worked for the first series since there was a second, but there was no series after that) left me a little miffed.

Kaiten Apr 19, 2006 11:19 PM

Easy (in Naruto):
Spoiler:
The whole damn filler arc(s) in Naruto. Frankly I'm surprised the series has enough viewers to have this crap continue. I only feel sorry for viewers of the English Naruto, who have not a damn clue what they're in store for in a few years...

Lukage Apr 19, 2006 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaiten
Easy (in Naruto):
Spoiler:
The whole damn filler arc(s) in Naruto. Frankly I'm surprised the series has enough viewers to have this crap continue. I only feel sorry for viewers of the English Naruto, who have not a damn clue what they're in store for in a few years...

BELIEVE IT!

Cirno Apr 19, 2006 11:29 PM

Evangelion's descent into nonsenical psychological banter with animated squiggly-lines. I was looking forward to more mech-on-mech action but got Freud-chan instead.

Recently, Mai Otome killed me with it's very foundation (fanservice).

The characters never really developed, and when the show tried to do this, it was already too late into the series to make up for it. Retarded plot twists and boring cast kept this series from living up to Mai HiME.

Gechmir Apr 20, 2006 12:45 AM

There was a sequel series to Those Who Hunt Elves?

Huh. Odd o_O

More KGNE Spoilers:
Ugh. I just wish they had two alternate ending episodes or some crap =p 'Cuz that really ruined my mood for the rest of that day and a healthy amount of today. Sorry to brood on it, but the anime was just fantastic up until that point. I already talked a few interested friends out of seeing it as a result of the ending.

Shot themselves in the foot~

The Akane OAV would piss me off too, I take it? =O

Synthesis Apr 20, 2006 12:58 AM

I decided to sit down and watch Evangelion on CN:

Spoiler:
I can't belive they couldn't have found some less obvious ways of editing out swear words, they just bleeped it


*changes channel*

Gechmir Apr 20, 2006 01:07 AM

Well, Eva got picked up on sheer hype alone. I put RahXephon above it, sense it has a... Uhm... Understandable ending. Given, a supplement from the movie is kinda required for a nicer grasp.

Eva should never have been on CN. The voice acting, for starters, is Anime Voice Acting 1.1 or so. Not as old as voice acting in anime gets, but it isn't of these newer series, where there are great actors. Hell, ADV used the exact same voice actors for ALL their anime. Got kinda old to hear the same voices and the same poor actors repeatedly.

Eva snagged my attention when it was first being brought over on video. I remember watching a Blueseed VHS thingie and I saw a trailer. The opening song was fan-fuckin'-tastic. It is the first anime OST I've ever bought.

Eva spoilers:
The anime had promise. Very in-depth. Very technical. But it went way out in left field. In RX, the main character struggles with his job of piloting RahXephon, but he comes to accept it. In Eva, Shinji is WAY too busy being all emo to give a damn. Then there are all the ridiculous things they throw out in the end, showing how incredibly evil all the adults are. It isn't "deep". It isn't "artistic". It is crap anime and overhyped.

If it followed an actual combat mecha plot and had an ultimate enemy they finally eliminated with less bizarre character development, it could've been worthy of its hype/praises.

Rockgamer Apr 20, 2006 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a_redneck
Hell, ADV used the exact same voice actors for ALL their anime. Got kinda old to hear the same voices and the same poor actors repeatedly.

They still do that nowadays, too. Funimation seems to do this a lot as well. They just use the same acting pool over again, mainly just switching up who plays lead roles and who plays minor roles. It can get annoying sometimes, even if they are just in one episode of another series or something like that.

Synthesis Apr 20, 2006 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockgamerXIII
Funimation seems to do this a lot as well. They just use the same acting pool over again, mainly just switching up who plays lead roles and who plays minor roles.


Especially in FUNimation's case. I end up watching anime of theirs and saying, "Oh yeah, that's the same guy who played <insert character here> from DBZ"

:dotdotdot:

Shuriken Apr 20, 2006 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Synthesis
Especially in FUNimation's case. I end up watching anime of theirs and saying, "Oh yeah, that's the same guy who played <insert character here> from DBZ"

:dotdotdot:

Well,the professional VA pool in America is not yet as vast as in Japan,so it's understandable to see a lot of the same people. It seems pretty much very other licensed anime has Crispin Freeman/Steven Jay Blum doing some roles. But because they do a damn fine job,I don't really mind. Plus,watching anime and being able to recognize the VAs while you're at it is kind of fun. For me,at least.

FatsDomino Apr 20, 2006 04:24 PM

Yeah, having Crispin Freeman in a dub is only a good thing.

Rydia Apr 20, 2006 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a_master_is_out
Recently, Mai Otome killed me with it's very foundation (fanservice).

The characters never really developed, and when the show tried to do this, it was already too late into the series to make up for it. Retarded plot twists and boring cast kept this series from living up to Mai HiME.

This "sequel" was certainly a disappointment. It seemed slightly interesting during the last five or so episodes though, but wasn't as gripping as Mai HiME.

FatsDomino Apr 20, 2006 04:58 PM

Spoiler:
Well at least when people died in Otome they stayed dead. That's everyone's biggest complaint in HiME.
I think Otome was fun though. The character development wasn't as strong but it had a great setting and I love adventure romps. Here's hoping that the OVA or third series that I hear is being planned takes the best of both series.

Spoiler:
I really enjoyed the tie-ins the two series had. Miyu reveals that Otome isn't an alternate universe but takes place in the future where mankind leaves Earth. A couple hundred years looking after humans really gives Miyu a nice personality.

Cirno Apr 20, 2006 05:04 PM

Well, the one thing Otome did right was make me respect Shizuru (in HiME as well). I just sort of liked her in HiME and was blinded by Nao's mischievious awesomeness, but Otome reminded me of how more awesome Shizuru is.

I don't think I'll look at baby toys quite the same way, though.

vuigun Apr 20, 2006 05:57 PM

Well, I forgot the signs for spoilers. What were they again? [Spoilers][/Spoilers]?

Synthesis Apr 20, 2006 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soniclover
Well, I forgot the signs for spoilers. What were they again? [Spoilers][/Spoilers]?

remove the "s"

vuigun Apr 20, 2006 06:03 PM

Okay :D

Tenchi in Tokyo. The ending actually ruined my love of the show.

Spoiler:
After all of these battles...eventually at the end. It was leading up the the final battle. Tenchi did the whole "summon up courage" thing and was running to beat the final villain while slashing everything in his way. He finally got to her and said "why don't you come live with us". Then the villain girl cried and it flashes to everyone being happy....That was the most anti-climatic ending I have ever seen in an Anime.

Now whenever I think of the Tenchi Muyo Series, I always think of that horrid ending in Tenchi in Tokyo. It actually destroyed the chance the anime had of being memorable in my heart.


I watched all of those episodes just for that?!?! I'm glad the Tenchi in Tokyo series was short.

map car man words telling me to do things Apr 20, 2006 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soniclover
Well, I forgot the signs for spoilers. What were they again? [Spoilers][/Spoilers]?

You can also use [spoil] for quicker typing.

Be sure to read:
http://www.gamingforce.com/forums/mi...o=bbcode#spoil

Rockgamer Apr 20, 2006 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soniclover
I watched all of those episodes just for that?!?! I'm glad the Tenchi in Tokyo series was short.

You consider 26 episodes short? That's nearly thirteen hours of your life wasted!

chato Apr 20, 2006 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaiten
Easy (in Naruto):
Spoiler:
The whole damn filler arc(s) in Naruto. Frankly I'm surprised the series has enough viewers to have this crap continue. I only feel sorry for viewers of the English Naruto, who have not a damn clue what they're in store for in a few years...


You should already know

Spoiler:
For the real fans of naruto its a huge disappointed . But to the kids who watch it, It isn't. It's basically... NARUTO >.>;;

vuigun Apr 20, 2006 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockgamerXIII
You consider 26 episodes short? That's nearly thirteen hours of your life wasted!

Was it 26 episodes? I thought is was like 12.

But anyways, Think of how much longer it could have been though. It was short for an anime series. I would have really been pissed off if I watched something like Naruto for some seasons and then had a crappy ending like that. It could always be worse...

Outlaw Apr 20, 2006 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aku
The entire Wolf's Rain OVA part...yeah, they needed more to the store, but that was uncalled for!
Wolf's Rain Spoiler:
there is NO NEED to kill off every single main charater from the show, NO NEED, ever...esspecialy to have a basic rebirth of the planet, and have all the wolves that you have seen every episode be the only ones there...Chez, Hubb, Quient? what happened to them, because Cheza is there, and she by no means is a wolf. That still doesnt change that fact that i love the show though...

Yeah...
Spoiler:
I kind of wondered what happened to Cher, Hubb, Quent and Blue in the end. But if you think about it....Cher, Hubb, and Quent probaly became Wolves. Since the whole "The human race was born from wolves, or so says the book of the moon" thing kept repeating through out the series. So who's to say that the reverse can't happen for wolves? I mean we know that Kiba, Hige, Tsume and Toboe were reincarnated as humans in the end (and Cheza returned back to being a flower) so who's to say Cher, Hubb, and Quent couldn't be wolves?

But Blue on the other hand is a compleate mistery. Where the heck did she go, did she stay a dog, turned full wolf, or as everone keeps saying the cat that Toboe picked up?

I mean the opening is a good key in deciphering the ending of the series to a point. I mean it still shows them in the clothes they were in during the series...

I mean think about it, Cheza's clearly a reflection (you can see through her in the window) Kiba running through the puddle, pan of Kiba's eyes, Kiba (?) standing on the buliding, and Kiba howling could just be him holding on to his past life and in a sence he became a noble. And the wolves fighting could be Quent and some other human (Hubb maybe) that got turned into a wolf. The black wolf could be Blue. So it is very well posable that the opening takes place after the series ended.


Or I'm just reading too much into it....

Anyway back on topic.....I like s-CRY-ed but the ending was a little forced.

s-CRY-ed spoilers:
I mean once Kyoji Mujo came into the picture everything just went down hill. I mean the alter-body armor, plot holes galore, killing off Ryuhou's father, Cougar, and Sherice, the whole idea that Kazuma and Ryuhou keep fighting to the ends of the earth, the list goes on.


I can't bring myself to watch the ending again....I mean I really should, maybe it will clear some stuff up....but still...the ending didn't live up to the first part of the series sad to say.

werepandamike Jun 2, 2006 03:52 AM

Big O. Seriously. There's all this buildup, and then the final episode makes absolutely no sense and gives you random crap. The only cool thing about it is the gigantic cannon weapon.

HazelGuy Jun 2, 2006 06:35 PM

Magical Teacher Negima, the whole series sort of treads water the whole way, and then BAM!
Spoiler:
Asuna just dies with no warning out of nowhere. I was told this doesn't happen in the manga, but what the hell?

Dee Jun 3, 2006 07:37 PM

Clearly Eva's ending. Won't go there.

And then the Rurouni Kenshin manga, not the ending obviously. I loved the Kenshin manga ending (I never watched the anime) but the time when

Spoiler:
Kaoru was "dead" or killed by Enishi, seriously, WTF moment for me. And reading those chapters when Kenshin went into that slum in sheer depression almost made me literally drop the manga cold turkey. It just wasn't in his character. I felt so bad for him.

Ramenbetsu Jun 3, 2006 09:46 PM

FMA was ruiend for me:

Spoiler:
The series kinda went down hill after Greed died in my opinon but picked back up in the last 5 or so eps...only to be let down by the ending. Al should have stayed dead, his sacrifice for Ed was strong but completely ruined when Ed was all "ZOMG I CAN JUST GO SAVE MY BROTHER AGAIN!" Al should have sayed dead, allowing Ed to realize how some his ideals were foolish etc.


The movie:
Spoiler:
the movie was fucking RIDICULOUS! Wrath in his dragon form in the real world? using it as a gate? killing off Ed and Als father quickly, random gypsy girl that really didnt do anything for the movie and then the whole fucking ridiculous spaceship going into the other world part. Ugh it was terrible and way over the top. The thing that pissed me off the most though was at the very end..Ed chooses a world without alchemy etc over wendy and alchemy..then Al, follows him. Complete disappointment.

Lady Miyomi Jun 3, 2006 10:24 PM

The only one I could think of is:

Trigun:
When Nicholas Wolfwood died. It sucked because I was beginning to like him better than Vash. The way the series went, it seemed like Wolfwood would be there until the end. Too bad he never made it.


Another one was:

Wolf's Rain:
After all that effort and the deaths of all the wolves except Kiba, I thought that maybe Kiba would end up in this nice place or at least something like the scenes with hills and flowers they kept showing. No, he ended up back in that town where he first started. That was confusing.

eriol33 Jun 3, 2006 11:12 PM

Death note

Spoiler:

108 chapters and Raito was dead that pathetically!? A man that was trying become god??

I dont even bother to continue my reading. The title should be changed into Lame Note.

Card Captor Sakura, the lamest plot (in third season) ever
Spoiler:
Main reason Eriol attacking sakura is solely because the purpose to convert the card, which means he's a good person. Couldn't Clamp make a better plot than that?

Sharaz Jek Sep 2, 2006 05:25 AM

I second Big O. Actually, I thought the last episode was fine until the final couple minutes or so. By trying to be clever, they just ended up making everything so far seem silly and inconsequential.

JazzFlight Sep 2, 2006 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharaz Jek
I second Big O. Actually, I thought the last episode was fine until the final couple minutes or so. By trying to be clever, they just ended up making everything so far seem silly and inconsequential.

Yeah, with Big O, they never really solved the mystery of the city and why everyone had amnesia, they just threw together a whole bunch of different theories (stolen from other sci-fi and anime) and left it very vague. This is because it was supposed to have a third season:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_O#Uncertain_ending

If the third season had explained the ending of the second season and finally completed the series, Big O could have been up there in my top 5 animes ever.

Even so, it was still a great series to watch. Incredible battles, music, and voice acting.

Freelance Sep 2, 2006 11:22 AM

With all this talk about Mai-HiME, I thought it was a fun show until the ending, which disappointed me :( It's still good though, but the ending could've been way better.

I was expecting a...
Spoiler:

big clash at the end with all the HiME's going up against the bad guy, but I don't get that at all. I don't think it explained how everyone got resurrected though. Maybe it would have been better if they all stayed dead or whatever the hell they went to.


I didn't mind the Wolf's Rain OVA that much. It's set up that way so you can make up your own theories about what happened.

TheFrenchLlama Sep 4, 2006 02:12 AM

Martian Successor Nadesico. No spoiler tags needed here: there is literally no ending. I swear the writers were playing a sick joke... and the movie, where one hopes questions will be resolved, does nothing but leave more questions unanswered.

That show, by far, had one of the worst endings I've ever seen. The show was entertaining until that piece of garbage aired. >_<

Logan Sep 4, 2006 02:45 AM

Oh do I have many to mention...

1) Mahoromatic

Spoiler:
Come on. Mahoro dies pointlessly, then suddenly comes back after 30 years or so. It's as if the writers tried to turn this romantic comedy into an action tragedy. Too bad it failed horribly in the end.


2) Evangelion

Spoiler:
Its funny how a light-hearted action mech show can somehow plummet into an emo-filled tragedy where everyone dies to an army of Rei clones that melt you by touching you. And do I need to point out the sheer stupidity of "Bigger than earth itself goddess Rei?" And of course Shinji and the loudmouth are the only ones to survive, only to show Shinji strangling her. More nonsense and confusion, and the anime is over. I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt that this ending was rubbish. I heard the only reason the alternate ending was made was because fans sent death threats to the creator.


3) Tenchi In Tokyo

Spoiler:
I love tenchi. A lot. One of my favorite series, but the tokyo storyline was TERRIBLE!!! Not only did the entire anime focus on Tenchi and Sakuya, but the animation itself was far too cartoonish for tenchi. Anyone else here really HATE sakuya? I sure did. And also the writers found it smart to make Tenchi a complete asshole. Here we have the kind-hearted Tenchi completely blowing off everyone he knows and cares about all because of Sakuya.

When everyone left, he didn't care! He said "oh well, I guess it was time for them to leave. OH I have another date with Sakuya lolz! Bye Ayeka!" And finally, after making Tenchi such a whiney jackass for the entire series, it looks like he gets back into badass mode when he pulls out that sword. And when he goes to fight the final battle, what does he do? he DROPS the sword, SLAPS the brat, then says "hey! come live with us! Yay! We'll all be happy happy happy!" Then the series ends. Yeah. Way to go.


4) Tenchi Muyo OVA3

Spoiler:
And here I thought "In Tokyo" was a disaster. OVA3 is a 6 episode long series that continues where the other OVAs left off. The only problem is the major change in...well...everything. First off, the music score is completely different, but worse. Second, they decided to have Tenchi's mother be named Kiyone rather than Achika, which we've all come to get used to already.

Then, we have a massive wave of GXP characters coming out of nowhere, overflowing the Tenchi cast list far too much. Then, we have the supposed villain Lady Tokimi actually a goddess...and a good guy. Then we have Z, who comes out of nowhere, and is apparently powerful enough to blow up a planet alone quite easilly. OH! And on that matter, there's 6 episodes. 5 episodes are character development.

The 6th episode is the final battle with Z, who never really got near tenchi before hand. ALSO, the episode starts right in the middle of the fight! When I first saw it, I thought I accidently skipped an episode! Nope! It actually starts that way. After plot holes and crappy characters galore, the episode reaches its end. And guess what, everyone's memories are erased of all those events. In short, there was absolutely no point in watching any of it in the end.

Funny how they ignored most of what made OVA1 and 2 great. Whatever happened to the King of Jurai? He threatened Tenchi at the end of OVA2 remember? Now, he no longer matters. AND WHERE THE FUCK IS KAGATO?! I refuse to believe he's dead! Bring him back already! >.<

Conan-the-3rd Sep 4, 2006 03:58 AM

Rockman.exe (2nd Seasion onwards)
Fuckin' Cross Fusion turned an enjoyable series into a pain in the arse power rangers clone and then didn't bother to give is a Roll/Meiru crossfusion untill 3rd Seasion and even then it was a Roll/Meiru/Rush crossfusion. BLEH.

Gechmir Sep 4, 2006 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheFrenchLlama
That show, by far, had one of the worst endings I've ever seen. The show was entertaining until that piece of garbage aired. >_<

I remember the last few lines... It was something along the lines of "There are lots of unanswered questions, we know. BUT THAT'S OKAY :'D"

Taco Sep 4, 2006 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukage
Experience......RUINED!

Watch the whole thing anyway D: Outlaw Star is a fantastic series, and many of the individual episodes are worth watching on their own.

Spoiler:
CATS, GIRLS, AND SPACESHIPS T___T I almost cried


As far as endings go I agree with the Mahoromatic "wtf" ending. I also felt that World of Narue's ending was kinda rushed.

Zukan Sep 4, 2006 02:03 PM

Shinji + First few min of "The End of Evangelion"

YES you know what scene I'm talking about! It was more disturbing than the rest of the movie O_O

Dubble Sep 5, 2006 11:14 AM

I used to be a HUGE fan of tenchi...


Then the Tokyo series aired. That entire series was pretty much one ginormous "what the fuck?" for me. =\

Big O would be the next anime that pretty much left me kind of "meh" followed by (and I'm surprised no one has mentioned this) Dragonball GT.

Everything about this spinoff is just off.

I used to be a big fan of Z and as I got older and noticed "OK, all they do is grunt and scream" my interest waned - specifically around the Buu saga. But I watched it till the end and ultimately was somewhat satisfied. It had run its course pretty well. GT however was abysmal and it is only select episodes of the show that I can actually tolerate. Most of it is gaping plotholes, random filler, an obnoxious over reliance on Pan (who many have deemed the japanese version of Scrappy Doo) and an enormous over reliance on Goku. In the original Dragonball this was OK because Goku was pretty charming and thats what made it work so well. In Z part of the fun was the large plethora of characters and how they interacted with one another via the large and consuming backstory (when they weren't grunting and screaming and randomly flexing muscles). In GT - it was pretty much "lets turn Goku into a kid for umpteen episodes and fly him around outer space with a watered down Trunks halfcocked and giving him a spunky girl sidekick who beats up on him even though he's her grandfather".

Yeeeaaahh... -__-

Chairman Kaga Sep 16, 2006 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan
4) Tenchi Muyo OVA3

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And here I thought "In Tokyo" was a disaster. OVA3 is a 6 episode long series that continues where the other OVAs left off. The only problem is the major change in...well...everything. First off, the music score is completely different, but worse. Second, they decided to have Tenchi's mother be named Kiyone rather than Achika, which we've all come to get used to already.

About Tenchi's mother: Tenchi Muyo! was created by Kajishima Masaki - he was the primary designer of the characters and the concept for the Tenchi OAV series, including the novels, various doujinshi, and GXP TV series. He was NOT involved in Tenchi Universe, Tenchi in Tokyo, the 3 movies, Pretty Sammy, and pretty much anything else. In other words, these are NOT cannon material to the Tenchi OVA and GXP. Just spin offs set in their own universe. Therefore Tenchi has different mothers in Tenchi Muyo! in Love and the OVA. Different names, different mothers.


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Then, we have a massive wave of GXP characters coming out of nowhere, overflowing the Tenchi cast list far too much. Then, we have the supposed villain Lady Tokimi actually a goddess...and a good guy. Then we have Z, who comes out of nowhere, and is apparently powerful enough to blow up a planet alone quite easilly. OH! And on that matter, there's 6 episodes. 5 episodes are character development.

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I think it was intended to watch GXP before OVA3. As for Z, he was featured in OVA2, at the end, although a short appearance.

As for the overflowing of the cast, and everthing happening quickly in OVA3 - I agree. This is what I think happened - but I could be wrong. The OVA3 was intended to 13 episodes, but was cut to 6, plus a special, so everything had to be jammed in 6 episodes, or cut out.



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Funny how they ignored most of what made OVA1 and 2 great. Whatever happened to the King of Jurai? He threatened Tenchi at the end of OVA2 remember? Now, he no longer matters. AND WHERE THE FUCK IS KAGATO?! I refuse to believe he's dead! Bring him back already! >.<

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I've always wondered about the King of Jurai. I think he will be featured in OVA4 if that ever happens. Kajishima Masaki has said he would like to do another OVA series in the future, and said that it would be about their daily life. That is what made OVA1&2 so good.

Golfdish from Hell Sep 16, 2006 10:26 PM

Sailor Chibi Moon...Need I say more? Entertaining show = derailed.

I won't say the "ending" of Ranma 1/2 ruined the previous episodes, but it was one of the emptiest feelings I've had watching anything. The last two episodes weren't even that good.

I caught Dragonball Z at JUST the right time...Right when they were showing the Frieza and Cell Sagas. It took forever to get to the Buu Saga and it was a mess even when it got there...I went a year without cable and when I got it back, they were barely into introducing Buu the next year. I taped the episodes as they ticked by, but I don't plan on ever watching them.

I started on the anime of Full Metal Panic and really liked the first couple of episodes. Then it started focusing too much on the badly done military sequences, as opposed to the cool romantic comedy angle of the earlier episodes. Fumoffu was a welcome addition, but a lot of sequences were nowhere near as good as the manga. Feels like so much potential was wasted overall.

Also, Tenchi never really got back the momentum of the first 13 episodes of the "Universe" series. First it was the badly implemented space chase back to Jirai, then the rancid Tenchi in Tokyo series. I don't know if I should approach the new series, because I've seen just how badly it can be handled...

heresince1984 Sep 16, 2006 10:58 PM

Just in General...
 
Don't you hate it when it's the beginning of the episode and the TITLE tells you who's going to win the match, or exactly what's going to happen at the end of the episode?

It happened a couple of times for me during Initial D, probably happens elsewhere as well.

Luceid Sep 19, 2006 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Freelance Wolf
With all this talk about Mai-HiME, I thought it was a fun show until the ending, which disappointed me :( It's still good though, but the ending could've been way better.

I was expecting a...
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big clash at the end with all the HiME's going up against the bad guy, but I don't get that at all. I don't think it explained how everyone got resurrected though. Maybe it would have been better if they all stayed dead or whatever the hell they went to.

Yeah well...

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I would have personally liked more if only Mai would've stayed alive, or something dramatic. The revival of everyone else part is what left me with a rather sour taste.


Although this is still my favorite series.

Cirno Sep 19, 2006 10:15 PM

Blood+. I was a huge fan of this series and while it started awesome ...

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It slowly began to fall into mediocrity shortly after the time jump (32+). Saya NEVER amounted to anything particularly strong and won most of her fights on pure luck, even when she went vamp mode. Episode 49 really pissed me off, as I expected a nicely animated battle between Diva and Saya...only to find them slashing a few times and Diva dying because of some absurd plot twist.


Pissed me the hell off.

Foshi Sep 19, 2006 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurado
Blood+. I was a huge fan of this series and while it started awesome ...

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It slowly began to fall into mediocrity shortly after the time jump (32+). Saya NEVER amounted to anything particularly strong and won most of her fights on pure luck, even when she went vamp mode. Episode 49 really pissed me off, as I expected a nicely animated battle between Diva and Saya...only to find them slashing a few times and Diva dying because of some absurd plot twist.


Pissed me the hell off.

Yeah, I hear what your saying. Still the series kept me interested enough to watch it through until the end. I wonder if anymore plot twists are going to be thrown in with one episode left?

Jack<>Jack Nov 21, 2006 08:57 PM

Gantz anime

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did Kei fucking win or what

Misogynyst Gynecologist Nov 21, 2006 09:35 PM

Trigun.

This happened at a very strange time in my life. For some reason, my friends and I "discovered" three different series at the same time - Escaflowne (me), Trigun (David) and EVA (David #2).

Despite the rather crude animation job on Escaflowne, we all really enjoyed it, even though I still feel the end of it to be a touch too abrupt.

Evangelion caused a couple arguements - mostly around how I thought it was superior to the three if for the simple fact it tried hard to be something different and dropped the ball a lot of the time. (Still remains my favorite anime series)

Trigun, though? I was really enjoying the show. It was kinda flakey at times and the animation was about on par with Escaflowne (I'm an animation fan - so I tend to find 99% of all anime to be very badly done), but the very end of the show was really, really .... dull.

The build-up was there but the climax was throw away. It seemed like the show had been handed over to some gleeful teenager who only understood the glaring generalizations of the show instead of it's once-in-a-while subtle nudges. I was really offended by that last episode.

Dubble Nov 22, 2006 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by LeHah
The build-up was there but the climax was throw away. It seemed like the show had been handed over to some gleeful teenager who only understood the glaring generalizations of the show instead of it's once-in-a-while subtle nudges. I was really offended by that last episode.


I could totally agree with that. A major reason for the Trigun ending being so "wha...?" could also be attested to the fact that the production company decided to go off on thier own tangent for the ending instead of following the canonized (UGH) ending from the Manga. This is the one thing that ruins a LOT of anime IMO. Trigun went on for a lot longer in manga form and went in a different direction than that final ep. Plus I THINK the order that Vash encounters them as well as the ideals of quite a few of the Gung Ho Guns were totally different. I'd have to ask a friend of mine who is a nut for the manga but doesn't look fondly upon the way the show turned up. I can't remember the reasons for why that happened.

Misogynyst Gynecologist Nov 22, 2006 11:19 AM

Please don't use the word "canon" in any of it's forms. It's one of those words that flags the "idiot" alarm.

If you HAVE to use it, please follow it with a sound of disgust, such as (UGH).

Dubble Nov 22, 2006 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by LeHah
Please don't use the word "canon" in any of it's forms. It's one of those words that flags the "idiot" alarm.

If you HAVE to use it, please follow it with a sound of disgust, such as (UGH).


LOL! Heaven knows I needed that laugh....Post duly edited. XD

FatsDomino Nov 22, 2006 02:52 PM

You know, I never knew that the Trigun manga was different. I'll have to read that now since I too found the anime's ending very abrupt. Thanks guys. =)

aku Nov 22, 2006 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit
You know, I never knew that the Trigun manga was different. I'll have to read that now since I too found the anime's ending very abrupt. Thanks guys. =)

for the most part, the manga is similar until the series becomes serious, the first 2 mangas are pretty close the the anime, but MAXIMUM is much diffirent

Xexxhoshi Nov 22, 2006 08:10 PM

Well it's manga but I'm not sure if the anime of Death Note has caught up yet.

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L dying was a mehtastic moment for me. Second half feels strange without him.

Not to mention the "YOU GO THAT WAY AND I'LL DO A DUPLICATE AGENT THEN WE'LL ALL REPORT HERE AT 12 O CLOCK AND THEN THIS THAT THAT THIS BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH YAK YAK YAK WORDS WORDS WORDS NOW TIME FOR LOOOOONG BORING STORY ABOUT THOSE 8 GUYS" thing in the first half that drove me crazy because there was too much fucking talking.

lia Nov 29, 2006 04:36 AM

Death Note will totally throw you for a loop by the end. That is all.

Umm... X/1999. The worst part for me was...

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When a friend said "Hey, you know that Seishirou dies, right?" My response: " .... Well, I do now. Thanks." I know the series isn't finished, but I haven't read a lot of it thanks to the horrible official translation and my lack of owning the tanks.

Duo Maxwell Dec 1, 2006 08:51 PM

I am a big fan of Hellsing, particularly the manga. When I saw the first incarnation of it in anime form, I was pleased and the series was great until the Incognito storyline came about. I never understood why they went with a 13 episode series for Hellsing, anyway, furthermore they left out a lot of the awesome characters: Pip, Rip Van Winkle, the fuhrer, the odd cat-boy lackey of the fuhrer who I can't remember's name, they didn't give Walter near as much screen presence as he deserves, Celes' character became even more two-dimensional. They also left out the badass, tattooed, nazi, voodoo bitch. They also didn't bother to explain much about the Hellsing organization itself or its former relationship with the Vatican, and they even left out the two characters from the CrossFire sidestory. About the only thing they did include was a brief reference to Admiral Harkonen from Dune.

But, yes, Incognito ruined it for me, first seven episodes were great, after that, suck.

aku Dec 1, 2006 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Duo Maxwell
I am a big fan of Hellsing, particularly the manga. When I saw the first incarnation of it in anime form, I was pleased and the series was great until the Incognito storyline came about. I never understood why they went with a 13 episode series for Hellsing, anyway, furthermore they left out a lot of the awesome characters: Pip, Rip Van Winkle, the fuhrer, the odd cat-boy lackey of the fuhrer who I can't remember's name, they didn't give Walter near as much screen presence as he deserves, Celes' character became even more two-dimensional. They also left out the badass, tattooed, nazi, voodoo bitch. They also didn't bother to explain much about the Hellsing organization itself or its former relationship with the Vatican, and they even left out the two characters from the CrossFire sidestory. About the only thing they did include was a brief reference to Admiral Harkonen from Dune.

But, yes, Incognito ruined it for me, first seven episodes were great, after that, suck.

i will agree with that, but you have to remeber, that when that was animated, there where only 2 mangas out at that point it time, so considering, its not that bad, but this new hellsing shoudl prove good

game_dragon1 Sep 14, 2007 05:22 AM

I have to say Inuyasha the last episode the didnt kill naraku or regain the jewel shard it just ended with Ohh we will still hunt for naraku and collected the jewel shards and the series just ends with that and you have to read the manga to figure out how they kill naraku

and the Anime of Dragon Half they only did 2 episodes of the show and stopped it and there is more manga's of it then the show

Mori Sep 17, 2007 12:41 PM

Most of the things that came to mind were already said...so:

Eureka Seven.
What they did to the moon in the last episode, oh my...
These kind of events just hurt me. Deep.

Gechmir Sep 18, 2007 12:22 AM

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Conan-the-3rd Sep 19, 2007 02:03 AM

NICE BOAT

That's all I'ma gonna say, looks like the Commy Censorfags have defeated japan, guys. No more fun from there ever again.

kouji Sep 22, 2007 07:09 AM

I must give my vote to Mahoromatic, as the ending for it was really something I didn't enjoy watching. :(

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Even though I knew something bad was coming as the episodes were progressing, (with countdown til the shutdown date of Mahoro), the ending was something that none of fans would enjoy. And I think they could have done in a different way, rather than showing how Suguru gone crazy after all the hoax and whatnot.


Another one that pops up on my head is, [b]Mobile suit gundam: 08th Team. Even though it's understandable that the story wasn't finished by the same author, the last half of the series seemed a little odd.

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Even though the last episode ended the story with somewhat of happy ending, I think that wasn't fit to the whole story line. What's with sudden battle in the space and kids being dispatched to the earth, and how Shiro and Aina are shown at the end made me go 'what the heck' throughout the episode

Sin Ansem Sep 26, 2007 08:55 PM

I vote the ending of Zero no Tsuikaima Season 2.

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Epic Saito fight, sacrifices himself and BAM, ruins his moment of glory by getting rescued by a fairy with a big chest, causing Louise to just go blow him up as usual. Wow, Louise NEVER CHANGES! The bitch...

wvlfpvp Sep 26, 2007 10:45 PM

About what people have said about Wolf's Rain's ending:

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Seriously, people? It's a world reset. There's no reincarnation as something different. It's a world reset with one HUGE difference (that being that the lunar flowers exist). I like to think that it's a cycle that keeps going until the world finally "actually" ends).


Oh, and I'm one of those guys who watched and somewhat enjoyed Trinity Blood.

I'm just upset by a few simple things:

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Sister Noelle's death: seriously? I didn't fucking know she died until the next episode when they fucking tell you. I thought I'd missed something when Abel goes all emo.

Oh, and then there's the end; I know the author died and all, but why make an anime of an incomplete story? It just stops half-way. Again, I thought my DVR had fucked up and missed some episodes.

Conan-the-3rd Sep 30, 2007 04:50 AM

Gurren Lagan (Yes, I'm going there, stand the fuck well back)
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Everything up untill the marage scene was perfect and the very second Nia dies it all falls appart and it becomes a rehash of Mahoromantic

Of all the Endings Gainax could of picked to copy for Lagan, why Mahromantic?

S_K Oct 5, 2007 04:11 PM

Meh much Anime disappointments, although I'm remixing a lot of what's already been said in this post

FMA
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Awesome cliffhangers apart from the occasional emo episode once I was hooked I never lost interest making it one of my favorite Animes of all time... then Al and Ed get stuck in the real world during the world wars lolz... playing to the fan girls boy on boy action love much? -_-

Excel Saga
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The show I have in my ava/sig currently what can I say except OMG... I've never seen such an insain show with Anime and film pop culture references before. The only problem is it's so insain I can count the episodes worth seeing near enough on one hand (personal favorite being the alien ripoff episode) it got too damn weird and on top of that had a cyborg scientist with a little girl fetish as a regular character... WTF JAPAN WTF!

Dragonball Z
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They fucking pioneered the over the top power up sequence that can't be debated, but lesson learned this is why Animes should wait until the Manga is finished before going into production if all they can think of as padding is:

"RAAAAAAAAH!"

"wow he's really strong"

"RAAAAAAAAH!"

"wow he's really strong"

REPEAT ENDLESSLY! That and everything after the cell saga seemed like fanboy pleasing extra padding to me


Tenchi Muyo
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Same reasons as previously mentioned, this show pretty much pioneered the whole "guy in a house full of girls" thing in my opinion... It's a lol concept to begin with but I would go as far to say scripts for these kind of shows read like they were written by sad very lonely Otakus and once that vibe kicks in... it kinda ruins it imo.

Neo Genesis Evangelion
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I'll just add to what was already said about this the director was seeing a shrink... need I say more? Awesome until the you know what parts, I'm really looking forward to the real ending on the remake of this, without the psychotic angst and animation budget problems at the end...

Elfin Lied
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Cute and horror movie creepy that's without a doubt what makes this show stand out, I'm all for open endings but the ending to this resolved nothing! It was more like a cliffhanger that just made you ask more questions. Once Kota regained his painful memories, it just turned to soap opera garbage with guns; with girls with horns that conveniently look like cute cat ears... not intentional at all! Honest!

Naruto
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FILLERS! Like I even need to say why... this show started off great I especially loved the Zabuza saga, but then you realize later it's Dragonball Z in disguise! Only instead of powering up you have flashback reused footage... LOTS of it :gonk: hell if you look hard enough you can even find flashbacks inside flashbacks that's not even an exaggeration trust me... someone needs to make a bullshit free edit of this show badly.


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DarkLink2135 Oct 5, 2007 04:24 PM

Probably the worst for me so far had to be the end of Naruto (the last real episode, not counting fillers).

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The point at which the Akatsuki members are talking about all the Jinchuriki and their master plan, and their last line is made me groan and shout out "GOTTA CATCH 'EM ALL!"

Elegy Oct 7, 2007 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sin Ansem (Post 508536)
I vote the ending of Zero no Tsuikaima Season 2.

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Epic Saito fight, sacrifices himself and BAM, ruins his moment of glory by getting rescued by a fairy with a big chest, causing Louise to just go blow him up as usual. Wow, Louise NEVER CHANGES! The bitch...

SERIOUSLY. I get so tired of those types of characters. I wish writers would learn what character development is. Comedy is great and all, but doing the same joke over and over again and throwing what little development characters do have with one another out the window for some crappy joke really pisses me off. That's why I stopped watching that show in any case. I also get tired of all the retarded fanservice, but that's something all together. =P

*ahem* Anyway, these are all the few I can recall about anime in particular:

FMA
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Of course, Hughes. The show got on my nerves at times, but there was a lot of stuff I really did enjoy about it. However, killing Hughes off was the final straw for me.


Rurouni Kension OVAs:
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I absolutely adore the manga, so naturally when I heard about how zomg awesome the OVAs were, I was really excited to see them. I started T&B first and it seemed alright at the beginning, but it turned into an awful melodrama that stripped away any semblance to the manga. It's like they took the same characters and made it a terrible soap opera. I didn't think anything could be worse until I took a look at Reflections. >>;


Escaflowne:
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Turning Dilandau into Allen's long lost sister was one of the worst "twists" I've ever seen in an anime. Hitomi is also one annoying bitch and I wish I could choke her.


There should be a topic for manga as well! Poor manga never gets any attention. =(

MakoAoyama Oct 11, 2007 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HazelGuy (Post 150161)
Magical Teacher Negima, the whole series sort of treads water the whole way, and then BAM!
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Asuna just dies with no warning out of nowhere. I was told this doesn't happen in the manga, but what the hell?

Totally agree with you, dude. I loved the entire anime up until that point. I would advise reading the manga, it's really good. The anime is nearly dead on for being exactly like the manga all the way up until the last two episodes where they completely go off in left field because it was obvious they needed to end it quickly. I will tell you, (so far) that has yet to happen at all in the manga and everything just continues on like normal with that part never even mentioned at all.

Too many characters though!

FatsDomino Oct 11, 2007 10:57 PM

Ahahahahahahaha that ruined it for you? Dude, the entire Negima anime is terrible. The out of nowhere [lookatheabovespoiler] made it at least mildly interesting. They were doing some alright things in the beginning but the skipping of tons of crap and trying too hard to rewrite it differntly just destroyed it. They basically gave up before they even tried. Had they just followed the manga with a few additions here and there, used the true hair colors, took advantage of the 3d models and background work for the manga, and designed it to be several seasons long then Negima would still be going bi-yearly or something and it probably would be one of the best shows out there. The Negima anime besides the ending is completely saddening.

FeMan Oct 12, 2007 08:36 PM

Full Metal Panic TSR
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Sagura suddenly undergoes a huge transformation in the last episode and wins DBZ super-saiyan style. I also think he lost some of his charm as he's starting to get use to civilian life.

MakoAoyama Oct 14, 2007 09:57 PM

The could have done that with the Love Hina anime as well, Acer. It was long enough for two seasons, and that was the plan, but they lost funding for it. They finally got enough money to make the Christmas and Spring specials and Love Hina Again to finish the series. For some reason, Akamatsu's series get shit on when it comes to translating them into anime form.

Love Hina was another anime for me that got ruined. They left out every bit of plot detail and changed character personalities quite a bit. Entire sections of the manga's story get left completely out in favor of adding in that bullshit where the girls become j-pop idols and other stupid shit. The Love Hina Again OVA special was the only part of the anime I liked at all. It looked a hell of a lot better(the artwork was a lot closer to Akamatsu's) and the story follows the manga a lot closer.

FatsDomino Oct 15, 2007 12:35 PM

MakoAoyama, I'm in complete agreement on Love Hina. There were a few additions the anime did that were nice but for the most part they left out so much and the flow of what story it had was pretty disjointed compared to the manga. Definitely not as bad as Negima! though. I'd say the anime is missing over half the manga's material and that's largely in part of changes and additions they made. I don't like the anime's style either but I'm not completely happy with Love Hina Again's either. LHA was closer to the manga's style but it felt way too rigid. I don't understand how you can talk about LHA as being closer to the manga's story. It totally sideswiped volumes worth of material with a truck and ruined the build up to the diving cross/ring scene. And then it just ends with tons of stuff left to be covered. LHA was the final "it ain't ever gonna happen the way it should" move of the anime. Not to say I didn't enjoy Love Hina and its OVAs but after reading the manga I'm just so disappointed in what it should have been.

MakoAoyama Oct 15, 2007 01:23 PM

Oh, I'm not by any means suggesting that it was good, because you are right. They still left out a crap load even in Again, but I felt it was a hell of a lot better than the rest of the series for having more in common with the manga. But hell, they left the entire epilogue out! Ema didn't even show up in the anime.
A lot of it for me was the art style. Akamatsu's artwork was a big part of what made the manga so damn good for me, he's very good at what he does(that and all of Motoko's good stories, which also mostly got left out). The anime totally ruined that for me. Not to say that the artwork is bad, because it looks great...but NOT for Love Hina. LHA was the only part of the anime that was even close to his artwork.

See, with Negima, I have all of the manga so far and I've read it through twice, but I'm really starting to lose track of everything that's going on. They release each new volume with so much time between the last ones release, I forget what is going on by the time a new one comes out. I remember reading it and watching the anime and thinking they were pretty close up until the end of the anime, but I could be wrong. It has been a while since I read the past volumes. I may not be remembering it right.

FatsDomino Oct 15, 2007 01:52 PM

Yeah, but I did enjoy the new characters the anime added. Kentaro, Moe, and Mai were great. I didn't mind the original stories either. I didn't like the big rewrites though.

You really ought to read the first few volumes of Negima (like to volume five or six) and then go watch the anime again. You'll see how different and disjointed everything is then. After that you'll probably agree that the ending of the Negima anime is probably the only interesting and noteworthy part of the whole show considering all the crap that came before it. It just came out of left field and with nothing left to enjoy the ending at least kept me interested since they had obviously given up on following the manga and decided to fuck trying to jig-saw puzzle their way to something coherent and just do something interesting.

MakoAoyama Oct 15, 2007 07:22 PM

I think that's what threw me off so bad on the ending was that it was completely out of nowhere. Everything was literally fine and then out of freakin' nowhere - BOOM! - and your like "What the hell? Where did that even come from?!" because it totally doesn't happen in the manga. It just really annoyed me because you could tell they just got to the end, ran out of funding or whatever and said "Okay, here's a quick fix because we can think of anything better and we don't have time."

The only one out of those 3 characters I liked was Moe. I HATED Kentaro with a passion because it didn't feel like he really had a place. He was just kinda there. And I don't remember Mai, or is that Suu's sister? I can't remember her name, but if that's Suu's sister, yeah she was alright I guess. That giant alligator was funny.

FatsDomino Oct 16, 2007 01:17 PM

I forgot about Suu's sister (and brother for that matter) because she only appears a few times and I can't remember her talking much.

My bad it's not Mai but Mei. Mei is Naru's sister. She show's up in the very last chapter of the Love Hina manga and is referenced maybe twice before that. She is however in the anime for a couple episodes so she got a much bigger character role in the anime and was of course therefore way more fleshed out a character than a mere non-talking cameo in the final chapter of the manga. Akamatsu has more than made up for it in Negima as her entire character design and name are none other than for Sakura Mei. Although there lies the last name issue, she is a step-sister of Naru and we never do find out what her original last name was in Love Hina. She hinted on wanting to study abroad which matches up with the Sakura Mei character in Negima who did just that. I'd say they are one in the same.

Kentaro was obviously a gag character but he played off of Kitsune very well and gave some light on her character who was never shown or gone into detail enough in my opinion. <3 her. So yeah, that and he was for the most part a decent guy who helped out after getting over Naru. And really, the show did need another male character because Haitani and Shirai purposefully didn't show up that often as it was apart of their character to be forgotten.

And seriously, go read the first five or six volumes of Negima again, watch Negima, and then see how badly they went when they were sticking vaguely to the source material. You'll see that they really couldn't save the show so the original-to-the-show, out-of-nowhere ending was probably the best thing they scrounged up after all the crap minus the Kazumi/Sayo episode which was excellent. The rest of the show was a disaster and the ending while intentionally not faithful to the source was the only interesting part of a big waste of time and money.

MakoAoyama Oct 16, 2007 08:46 PM

Oh, Mei! Okay, yeah I remember her. She was alright I guess. Seems like her personality is different in Negima, but I guess she is older then.
I'll eventually get around to rereading Negima, when I get time. I've read Love Hina like 7 times so I guess I could give Negima the same treatment, heh...

neoprophet Nov 1, 2007 03:23 PM

how about School Days and its "Nice Boat Ending" that last episode killed it for me

Matt Nov 2, 2007 10:12 AM

I literally had to drag myself through the entire Bount arc in Bleach, it was so terrible.
There's no character development, there's no real sense of urgency, there's no real motive to the Bount for at least 20 episodes, and everyone started fighting like they lost their balls back in Soul Society.

As far as those Naruto fillers go, I haven't watched much of the anime outside of what's been localized, but from what I understand everything is filler after the Sasuke retrieval episodes (ending at ep. 135)? How bad does it get after that?

crabman Nov 29, 2007 03:15 AM

Gundam Seed Destiny. Yeah, pretty awful as is but they made it worse...

Spoiler:

They bring back Mu La Flaga as Phantom Pain. WORST POSSIBLE THING THEY COULD HAVE DONE! He was a great character, and I'm sure a lot of people thought he was really bad ass. I mean I could barely deal with the overly emo main character. I really didn't want to watch the anime anymore after they introduced and entire squad of emo powered emos. Bringing back an awesome character like Mu La Flaga is just the final nail in the coffen, he died a noble death protecting his woman, his ship and his comrades; HE DOESN'T NEED TO DO IT AGAIN! If it weren't for Meer, and the Hawke sisters I probably wouldn't have finished it. Shina Asuka, definately one of the worst, if not the worst main Gundam pilot EVER!

elwe Jun 1, 2008 04:11 AM

SAIKANO. I wasn't overly fond of the series to begin with, but it wasn't bad. And then the end came, and I was like, "WHAT THE HECK. Whhhhaaat the heck."

Spoiler:
So basically the entire series leads to the ENTIRE WORLD getting destroyed, leaving ONLY the main character in the middle of nowhere with just the memory of the girl. To me, this ending just seemed like an easy way to end the series and leave no loose ends because....why? EVERYONE'S DEAD! This was definitely closure overkill.

Blobulator Jul 12, 2008 01:52 AM

I'll have to agree with those who mentioned Death Note. There were a fair few things I didn't like about how they handled it, despite the excellent premise.

Spoiler:
Killing off L was one of the stupidest things they could have done. Near and Mellow were ridiculously lame excuses for characters. It seems like the writers just killed off L to be dramatic, then had no idea what to do with the series, so they created Near with almost clone-like qualities, except for the fact he's suckier.

The worst part is, I'd accidentally spoiled L's death for me very early on in the series by accident, so I was just waiting around for it to happen (all the while expecting it to be in the final few episodes) and then BAM! Mid-series he just drops off and I literally had no idea how the hell they thought they could carry this crap on for another 20-something episodes without him.

One last thing, though somewhat minor. I actually didn't mind Light's death (though it was somewhat stupid how he got beaten by Near when Near just sucked in comparison to L) and I thought it was reasonably well pulled off (though again, it would've been better if the final "showdown" was between L and Light). However, when Matsuda decided to finally *do* something and shot Light in the hand, I literally just went "what the hell?" in my head. They spend all those episodes developing Matsuda in a specific way, but then that one action and the way Matsuda went about it, everything he said, etc, just seemed to throw his character development out the window. Far too uncharactertistic for my tastes.

nadroj1992 Aug 31, 2008 09:08 PM

I have to say the last of the Rurouni Kenshin arcs kind of ruined the series for me. It went from incredibly epic to really rather boring.

Alterminded Aug 31, 2008 10:18 PM

I'm putting Code Geass up here for one thing certain:
Spoiler:
Lelouch will most likely have some shitty ending in store for him come episode 25, I will most likely withdraw my statement if they decide to do R3... but that seems to be unlikely. Also, Suzaku somehow is this "I will join you" persona, from stabbing Lelouch in the back in the first season, to screwing him over in season 2 twice, and then killing his sister, to joining lelouch as a knight of Zero... honestly... what the fuck man, pick a team and stay with it

neothe0ne Sep 25, 2008 11:37 PM

ToLoveRU.

First 13 episodes were alright. Hell, the 14th episode was also alright.

Then welcome 10 episodes of POINTLESS filler. I hear the last episode is a fucking RESET and the main character doesn't make a fucking choice with his harem either. A big hearty FUCK YOU, XEBEC.

Sakabadger Sep 26, 2008 01:51 AM

You can't really blame XEBEC, seeing as the manga is still running and all.

FatsDomino Sep 26, 2008 08:59 AM

No, I would blame XEBEC. They have a track record of doing this shit. Love Hina & Negima are forever stunted because of their crap handling of anime adaptations of manga.

wvlfpvp Sep 26, 2008 09:41 AM

I'm upset because of fucking Pilot Candidate. I mean, honestly. Did Bandai just go HEY IT'S A BIG ROBOT ANIME LET'S GET IT LOCALIZED FOR AMERICA EVEN THOUGH IT GOT CANCELLED HALF-WAY THROUGH? The show was very enjoyable, cliched stock characters and all, and then it ends with "stuff's gonna happen!" End credits end series.


It's like Bandai teased me.


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