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Rockgamer Mar 2, 2006 09:50 PM

The 2005-2006 NBA Season Discussion Thread
 
Because basketball is about the only sport I even attempt to watch.

Anyway, you know the drill. Talk about the season in general, your favorite team, early playoff predictions, yada yada yada.

And here is my obligatory Go Spurs Go! chant.

Timberwolf Mar 3, 2006 10:30 PM

Some random thoughts about the season so far:

- The Pistons are very, very scary

- Steve Nash is having a better season than last year, when he won MVP

- Those Cleveland fans who booed Lebron James last week don't deserve him

- Iggy got robbed in the Dunk Contest

- Josh Smith: You can't put tape there, and jump from somewhere else

- Players that should be in every Dunk Contest: Lebron James, Vince Carter, Desmond Mason, Jason Richardson, Andre Iguodala

- Kobe Bryant. Meet Lamar Odom. He is your talented teammate

- Allen Iverson is the greatest 6-feet-and-under player in league history

- Melo is more clutch than Lebron, at this point in their careers

- The Air Jordans XXI is dope; the TV spot is genius

- Kobe Bryant. Meet Kwame Brown. He is your ... uhh never mind

- Chris Bosh will be an all-star for years to come

- Ernie, Chuck, and Kenny are too funny

- Kevin Garnett is a better player than Tim Duncan

- Coach of the year so far: Flip Saunders

- MVP so far: Chauncey Billups

- Most impressive player this season: Lebron James (near 31-7-7)

- Most dominant player this season: Kobe Bryant

- Most surprising team this season: NO/Oklahoma City Hornets

- Someone please explain to me what the Knicks management has been doing

- What I want to see: The Timberwolves making the Playoffs

JackTheRipper Mar 3, 2006 10:46 PM

I have a thought about the NBA. It sucks. Seriously what happened to competition? It's not who has the best record anymore, it's who doesn't have the worst record. coughknickscough

Rockgamer Mar 3, 2006 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
- Those Cleveland fans who booed Lebron James last week don't deserve him

- Kobe Bryant. Meet Lamar Odom. He is your talented teammate

- Kevin Garnett is a better player than Tim Duncan

- Most dominant player this season: Kobe Bryant


- Of course. It's pretty stupid boo your best player under any circumstances.

- If only that was actually something new for Kobe.

- If only that were true (which it never will be).

- As much as I don't like him, I would have to agree with that.

I'm mainly just glad that I don't have to worry about my team going to the playoffs. Once they are there is when I'll start to worry (but not much).

Timberwolf Mar 3, 2006 11:11 PM

I guess the KG vs. Duncan debate is always an interesting one.

With the exception of the 2003-2004 season, Duncan's teams have always been better than Garnett's. This year, Parker has been a beast. The Spurs success this year can be attributed just as much to Parker as it can to Duncan, who's currently averaging a career-low 19.0 points to Parker's 19.4. Then there's always the ever-reliable Ginobili, Horry, Finley, and Bowen.

KG has Ricky Davis ... and Marcus Banks, Rashad McCants, and Mark Blount.

Rockgamer Mar 3, 2006 11:24 PM

Yeah, both Duncan and Parker have been really good this year, though it seems that Parker has had a slight edge over Duncan recently.

And on a totally unrelated note, have you heard Tony Parker rapping? If you haven't, trust me, you probably don't want to. I won't be looking forward to Tony P.'s (yes, that's his rap name) new album this fall.

Timberwolf Mar 3, 2006 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockgamerXIII
And on a totally unrelated note, have you heard Tony Parker rapping? If you haven't, trust me, you probably don't want to. I won't be looking forward to Tony P.'s (yes, that's his rap name) new album this fall.

Haha, really? He really oughtta stick to basketball.

What would Eva think.

nazpyro Mar 4, 2006 11:56 PM

Tony-P... wow. As long as he doesn't start promoting it Artest-style during in-game interviews. David Stern (the beast that he is) will pull the leash on that one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
- Those Cleveland fans who booed Lebron James last week don't deserve him

- Iggy got robbed in the Dunk Contest

- The Air Jordans XXI is dope; the TV spot is genius

- MVP so far: Chauncey Billups

- Most surprising team this season: NO/Oklahoma City Hornets

- Someone please explain to me what the Knicks management has been doing

-Good job, Cleveland.

-True.

-That commercial is currently the most awe-inspiring commercial in my opinion. Perhaps it is the best commercial ever, but that may be biased.

-Agreed.

-The Hornets have been very good. Chris Paul is quickly rising to NBA stardom' nothing is slowing him down. David West is emerging. It's surprising, indeed.

-Isaiah Thomas needs to quickly sign me to a $35 million 5-year deal due to my proneness to the turnover, my 5-foot-1 frame, my unstoppable defense, and my ability to eventually nail a three given several opportunities.

Timberwolf Mar 5, 2006 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nazpyro

-That commercial is currently the most awe-inspiring commercial in my opinion. Perhaps it is the best commercial ever, but that may be biased.

The entire Air Jordans XXI campaign is just so wonderfully crafted. The print ads themselves are beautiful -- with the red laces forming XXI and looking eerily like DNA strands, which fits perfectly with the whole "Second Generation" and "heritage" motifs.

And the TV spot ... it's just amazing. Everything from the music and pacing, to the different ethnicities of the young players, to showcasing both genders, and to faithfully mirroring some of MJ's greatest moves and moments -- it's just brilliantly made.

I spent a good two hours on the Nike Jumpman site last week, just looking at the content and checking out the entire XXI campaign.

Slash Mar 5, 2006 12:16 AM

I would also like to add

-The Portland Trailblazers are the biggest joke ever ^_^

nazpyro Mar 5, 2006 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slash
I would also like to add

-The Portland Trailblazers are the biggest joke ever ^_^

Oh yeah, it's great. Even sophmore Sebastian Telfair has gotten into the Jailblazer's modus operandi, bringing in a loaded gun into an airport. Of course, it was for protection against former team nutcase, Ruben Patterson. It's sad that they traded away the self-proclaimed Kobe-stopper. They should have acquired Ron Artest to form the most ridiculous "basketball" team ever. There would be no basketball; it would just be war.

Timberwolf Mar 5, 2006 12:50 AM

It's funny how Rasheed has a ring now. It's clear that the Blazers's problems didn't stem from Rasheed. That entire organization is in a ditch, with a really negative vibe.

At least they don't have a payroll like the Knicks. And oh, I just noticed the other week, that Eddy Curry averages 0.3 assists per game.

I didn't know that was possible.

Curry also averages 2.76 turnovers per game. Which means he is NINE times more likely to cough up the ball than to make an assist.

bishop743 Mar 8, 2006 07:35 PM

Trying to choose between Duncan or Garnett is pointless really. They're both incredible players and you could build a team around either of them. It's just that Duncan has had more help over the years than the Big Ticket.

The Pistons, even though they are coming back down to earth a bit, are still the class of the league right now. Flip Saunders is definitely the Coach of the Year and Chauncey Billups has my vote for MVP. WTF was Larry Brown thinking?

The west is going to go down the wire between the Spurs and Mavericks. The Suns, with Stoudemire's return looming, won't be too far behind either. I'm picking San Antonio to be on top when it's all said and done. They have the experience and toughness. Dallas' defense is starting to crumble and that will hurt them down the stretch.

The Air Jordan XXI commerical is simply phenomenal. I just took a tour on the Jumpman23 website and downlaoded it and pretty much all of the desktop wallpapers. Nike is doing an incredible job with the campaign. I'll definitely be picking up some of those kicks.

Timberwolf Mar 8, 2006 09:08 PM

I've never owned a pair of Air Jordans before. They were always too out of my spending comfort zone.

But the AJ XXI is really lookin' good. I love the red version.

I probably still won't be able to afford a pair. I'll do what I normally do, go to stores and gawk at them.

Timberwolf Mar 9, 2006 11:34 PM

Just watched the Sixers lose to the Nuggets. The Sixers have dropped three straight close games, and are now under .500 for the first time since mid-February.

Iggy needs to get more touches and be more involved/integrated in the offense. The guy is really, really talented. We all saw what he did in the Rookie Challenge during All-Star weekend.

And Iverson -- this guy is just a pure joy to watch. Sure, he doesn't get up as high as he used to -- I mean, the little guy used to dunk on people -- but he doesn't seem to have lost a step at all. Jerry Colangelo has made a big mistake not inviting AI to tryout for the USA Team.

There's still nobody better at creating his own shot in the league than AI. Iverson in the open court at full sprint is just ill. And I never get tired of watching him break down defenders. He just pitbulls and crosses them to death.

*Sizes up defender*
*Changes pace of dribble*
*Forces defender to retreat*
*Gives defender a little cross*
*Gives slight hesitation*
*Gives defender a hard cross*
*WIDE OPEN*

DragoonKain Mar 9, 2006 11:38 PM

I can't take Webber and Salmons anymore. I just can't.

bishop743 Mar 9, 2006 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Jerry Colangelo has made a big mistake not inviting AI to tryout for the USA Team.

I concur, man. At the 2004 Summer Games, AI played his heart out and was a great leader on that team. I know Colangelo is going for a different team this year (not putting a bunch of all-stars together, but instead, making a cohesive team with role players and such) but Iverson deserves to be on the team. He's expressed a huge interest in being apart of the squad again.

Timberwolf Mar 10, 2006 02:26 PM

Anyone see the Penny Hardaway interview last night on TNT? I feel for him, and I hope he comes back. When I first started following basketball -- during the mid-90's when I was like eleven -- Penny and Shaq were my favourite players. And the Orlando Magic was my team.

I loved Penny's game. His game was so clean and polished. His court vision and understanding of the game were almost Magic (Johnson)-like. Great passer, terrific post-up game, clutch shooter, smart player. He was athletic, unselfish, clean-cut, marketable, and simply fun to watch. There's a reason why Penny was one of the most popular, well-liked players in the mid-90's.

Sadly, all the injuries, rehab, and the ensuing negative press had taken so much away from Penny's game. I'm still a Penny Hardaway fan, though.

And I hope to see him in uniform next season.


... Back to this Colangelo-Iverson thing:

I wonder what Colangelo's thought process was. Was he thinking that Iverson isn't enough of a team player to be on team, and that Iverson is a ball dominator? Well, Kobe's on the team. How would Colangelo explain that.

Was he thinking that Iverson will be 33 when the 2008 Beijing Games begin, and thus too old? Well, Shaq still has an open invitation to join the team, and he'll be 36 in 2008. Explain that, Colangelo.

Was he thinking that he already has enough scorers? Wait a minute -- Gilbert Arenas, but not Allen Iverson? Uh, right.

Was he thinking that he already has enough point guards? Wait a minute -- Chris Paul and Luke Ridnour, but not Allen Iverson? Riiiiight.

Just look at this roster:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ter/index.html

Is Colangelo actually saying there's no room for Allen Iverson on this roster. That he'd rather have Luke Ridnour?

I hope this USA Team implodes when Kobe Bryant, out of a bogus attempt to get his USA teammates involved, tries to pass the ball and hits Lamar Odom at the back of the head.

bishop743 Mar 10, 2006 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Anyone see the Penny Hardaway interview last night on TNT? I feel for him, and I hope he comes back. When I first started following basketball -- during the mid-90's when I was like eleven -- Penny and Shaq were my favourite players. And the Orlando Magic was my team.

I loved Penny's game. His game was so clean and polished. His court vision and understanding of the game were almost Magic (Johnson)-like. Great passer, terrific post-up game, clutch shooter, smart player. He was athletic, unselfish, clean-cut, marketable, and simply fun to watch. There's a reason why Penny was one of the most popular, well-liked players in the mid-90's.

Sadly, all the injuries, rehab, and the ensuing negative press had taken so much away from Penny's game. I'm still a Penny Hardaway fan, though.

And I hope to see him in uniform next season.

Penny Hardaway's game was beautiful to watch. But his career, much like Ken Griffey Jr.'s, has been hampered by injuries way too much over the years. Both of them had opportunities to be great, GREAT players. I hope that Hardaway somehow makes a comeback, much like Griffey seems to be doing now.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
... Back to this Colangelo-Iverson thing:

I wonder what Colangelo's thought process was. Was he thinking that Iverson isn't enough of a team player to be on team, and that Iverson is a ball dominator? Well, Kobe's on the team. How would Colangelo explain that.

Was he thinking that Iverson will be 33 when the 2008 Beijing Games begin, and thus too old? Well, Shaq still has an open invitation to join the team, and he'll be 36 in 2008. Explain that, Colangelo.

Was he thinking that he already has enough scorers? Wait a minute -- Gilbert Arenas, but not Allen Iverson? Uh, right.

Was he thinking that he already has enough point guards? Wait a minute -- Chris Paul and Luke Ridnour, but not Allen Iverson? Riiiiight.

Just look at this roster:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ter/index.html

Is Colangelo actually saying there's no room for Allen Iverson on this roster. That he'd rather have Luke Ridnour?

I hope this USA Team implodes when Kobe Bryant, out of a bogus attempt to get his USA teammates involved, tries to pass the ball and hits Lamar Odom at the back of the head.

I agree with all of that except for the Chris Paul part. He's by far the rookie of the year this season and he's the main attraction on the most suprising team of this year, the New Orleans Hornets. He deserves to be on the team. I'll give you Luke Ridnour though. I don't see why he's on the team. It's not like he's done anything in the NBA his entire career to warrant this selection.

Also, I was checking out AI's stats, and I just realized how high his assist numbers have been on the last couple years. In this last last three seasons he's been averaging over 6 APG. Most people consider him just a scorer but, when he has help, he's one of the best ball distrubuters in the game.

Timberwolf Mar 10, 2006 05:11 PM

Oh definitely, Chris Paul is a terrific young talent. I didn't mean to knock his game. I was just saying, given the choice of Chris Paul or Allen Iverson -- I'd pick AI ten times out of ten :)

Young Chris Paul has got ROY locked up, though. They may as well hand him the trophy now.

bishop743 Mar 10, 2006 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Oh definitely, Chris Paul is a terrific young talent. I didn't mean to knock his game. I was just saying, given the choice of Chris Paul or Allen Iverson -- I'd pick AI ten times out of ten :)

Young Chris Paul has got ROY locked up, though. They may as well hand him the trophy now.

Oh, I see. My bad for misunderstanding you. I thought you were saying Paul didn't deserve to be on the roster. But yeah, I get you now. Of course, if I had to choose between having Iverson or Paul on my team, I'd take AI in a heartbeat. I'm sure 99% would be the same way. Is that roster you linked to the permanent roster?

Timberwolf Mar 10, 2006 08:08 PM

That roster is the list of 23 players invited to tryout for the team.

They will cut that number down to 12 for the Beijing Games in 2008. (But they'll probably have a larger roster for the World Championships later this year.)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...3/10/team.usa/

It's almost certain that the likes of Luke Ridnour will be cut.

But poor AI...

Never mind the fact that Allen Iverson had actually wanted to play for Team USA. Never mind what Allen Iverson brings to any backcourt (unparalled speed and quickness, court vision, veteran leadership, heart and passion, speed and quickness, pitbull defense, pitbull offense, drawing of double-teams, speed and quickness). Never mind the fact that Allen Iverson would invariably boost the TV ratings, popularity, and exposure for this USA squad.

Never mind all that. ...What really upsets a lot of people is that Allen Iverson wasn't even invited to tryout.

bishop743 Mar 10, 2006 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
But poor AI...

Never mind the fact that Allen Iverson had actually wanted to play for Team USA. Never mind what Allen Iverson brings to any backcourt (unparalled speed and quickness, court vision, veteran leadership, heart and passion, speed and quickness, pitbull defense, pitbull offense, drawing of double-teams, speed and quickness). Never mind the fact that Allen Iverson would invariably boost the TV ratings, popularity, and exposure for this USA squad.

Never mind all that. ...What really upsets a lot of people is that Allen Iverson wasn't even invited to tryout.

Yeah, seriously man, I'm with you on that one. I don't get Colangelo when it comes to this choice, or lack thereof. Shortly before the All-Star break, AI went to him personally and expressed his interest in being included on the team again. It's a damn shame, really.

Timberwolf Mar 10, 2006 09:55 PM

If I could pick any twelve (U.S.-native) players to play for the 2008 USA squad...

Starters:
C-Tim Duncan
PF-Kevin Garnett
SF-Lebron James
SG-Dwyane Wade
PG-Allen Iverson

Bench:
C- Amare Stoudamire (only if he's healthy; if not, Dwight Howard)
PF- Shawn Marion
SF- Carmelo Anthony
SG- Ray Allen
PG- Chauncey Billups
C- Ben Wallace
F- Tayshaun Prince


It's a nice blend of players.

You've got low-post reliability: Duncan Amare, KG
You've got athleticism: Marion, Lebron, KG, AI
You've got 3-point shooters: Ray, Chauncey, Lebron
You've got scorers: AI, Lebron, Melo, Wade
You've got speed: AI, Lebron, Wade, KG
You've got size: KG, Duncan, Amare
You've got guys who can play more than two positions: KG, Lebron, Melo
You've got power: Amare, Big Ben, Lebron
You've got rebounders: KG, Big Ben, Duncan
You've got shotblockers: Big Ben, Amare, Duncan, KG
You've got shutdown kings: Prince, KG, Big Ben
You've got clutch players: Duncan, Melo, Wade
You've got youth: Lebron, Melo, Wade, Amare
You've got veteran leadership: KG, Duncan, AI, Ray
You've got guys who can excel without the ball: Prince, Big Ben, KG, Marion
You've got unselfish players: EVERYONE


This team would win gold. Easy.


bishop743, if you could put together a team for 2008, who would you roll with?


Edit: Just in case anyone's wondering, the reason I didn't include T-Mac is this:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/3715925.html

You can only wonder what his back will be like in 2008.

bishop743 Mar 11, 2006 12:03 AM

Damn Timberwolf, that's one hell of team. I'm sure I couldn't pick a better roster than that. I also like how you broke it down to show how the team fit all the different criteria. I've joked a couple times with friends about Team USA just sending the Pistons to win it all in '08, but yeah man, your picks are right-on. Very nice and detalied as well.

Timberwolf Mar 11, 2006 10:46 AM

Hahaha yeah ... they should save themselves the trouble and just send the Pistons :)

Ryuu Mar 12, 2006 02:29 PM

T-Mac is injured, again. 5 weeks. This may 'cause the Rockets to be out of the playoffs unless Yao and everyone else can pull it together without him.

As for the Rockets, I was surprised Bob Sura wasn't playing, but then I found out he underwent surgery.

Timberwolf Mar 12, 2006 02:36 PM

This has just been a unfortunate season for Rockets fans. I don't know how many years Tracy McGrady has left in him ... his back is just so bad. I wonder how much longer he can hold on.

I remember watching the Rockets-Nuggets game on January 8th, where T-Mac went up for a jumper -- just his standard, regular jumpshot -- and came down normally. But his back just spasmed, and he collapsed to the floor. He was wheeled out on a stretcher and taken to the hospital.

Carmelo Anthony hit the game-winner in that game.

I love T-Mac's game. When he's back is fine, his game is insane. But with the health of his back in question, he may have trouble playing past 30. He'll be 27 in May.

nazpyro Mar 12, 2006 11:19 PM

Yeah, I like your list; though you did remove Brad Miller. I'm a fan of the Brad Miller. Jesus Shuttlesworth is on your list, and while he's still hot now, he might be a bit more worn down by 2008. But sure, he'd be great to have, but Michael Redd out of the Ohio State University (I just had to say that) would be just as great a player, I think (which would probably be why they selected him). I don't really like Carmelo (not Kobe for that matter), but I suppose since they want to play, and they're good, let them. I don't think my boy, Gilbert Arenas, aka Mr. Ill-Advised, should be on it.

Son of Wiseness Mar 13, 2006 07:33 AM

How is Miami Heat doing this year?

bishop743 Mar 13, 2006 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Son of Wiseness
How is Miami Heat doing this year?

The Heat have been an interesting case this year. For most of the first half of the season they struggled, mainly because of adding so many new pieces to their team during the offseason. However at the tail-end of the first half, and so far into the second half, they are playing great ball. They seem to be forming a nice chemistry and are playing very well together. After the Pistons, I think they are clearly the 2nd best team in the Eastern Conference. Even though they are playing well, it still boggles me that they made so many changes during the offseason, despite being just 5 min or so from going to the Finals last year.

Timberwolf Mar 13, 2006 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nazpyro
I don't really like Carmelo (not Kobe for that matter), but I suppose since they want to play, and they're good.

Melo is having a superb year. While he is still a ball dominator, and he needs to get his assists average up, but he's been really clutch this season. I think he's hit like, three or four game-winners this season.


On another note, Allen Iverson's sprined ankle yesterday was unfortunate. No, he didn't come down on awkwardly on his own. No, he didn't land on another player's foot.

He landed on a floor crew employee, after landing out of bounds on a final jumper to end the half.

Some of those guys sitting courtside and baseline, they sit way TOO close and packed. Especially those baseline photographers and floor crew members. Players have no room to stop their momentum, and they have to crash into them.

Allen Iverson had to carried off the floor by his teammtes. There's no reason why AI should ever have to get injured like that. He gets beat up enough on the court. Why is he getting beat up out of bounds too.

bishop743 Mar 13, 2006 01:14 PM

haha, I remember back in the day when Dennis Rodman went out of bounds after a ball and landed on a photographer. He hauled off and kicked the guy. Those photographers are indeed too close for comfort. It's tough enough worrying about getting injured on regular in-game stuff without having to worry about getting injured because of a photographer or cameraman. The league should address this issue. There's probably not a whole lot they can do though.

Timberwolf Mar 13, 2006 01:56 PM

I guess there's not much the league could do about it. After all, those photographers take good photos.

Like this one: Gerald Wallace!

http://www.nba.com/media/gwallace_600_060306.jpg



Hey look, two Lakers trying out for the USA Team.

http://www.nba.com/media/lamarandkobe_400_060306.jpg

Lamar: Maybe he'll pass to me in the Olympics. I am a pretty good player.
Kobe: I'm not passing to anyone in the Olympics. I am da man.
Lamar: Those international teams play the right way.
Kobe: Just wait. 81 points ain't no thang.
Lamar: Maybe Lebron will pass to me.
Kobe: Maybe I can dunk on Lebron.
Lamar: There's a chance, come 2008, I won't make the 12-man roster.
Kobe: Why does he have the same number as me.

nazpyro Mar 13, 2006 04:50 PM

Allen Iverson wasn't the only one who suffered. The other A.I. got hurt too... some swelling in the right hand, also due to a cameraman. The 76ers just got abused by the paparazzi.

Gerald Wallace is ridiculously athletic. Too bad he's just gonna get a bloody head again soon.

Timberwolf Mar 13, 2006 11:10 PM

Gerald Wallce plays that hard-nosed, tough-tough defense. The first I heard of him was when he appeared in SLAM magazine as a high-schooler.

If he keeps working hard, he's gonna be a star in this league. Especially with the sick athleticism and mad hops he's got.

bishop743 Mar 14, 2006 09:55 PM

I just finished reading an article about Amare Stoudemire being 50/50 on his possible return this season. He says he's going to wait a few more weeks and will make a decision. In my opinon, if he's still 50/50 at that time, he just needs to shut it down for the rest of the season. The Suns are playing excellent ball right now, and while they'd probably be even better (whch is a scary thought) with him in the lineup, he and the orgranization shouldn't risk him getting injured again or even worse. Just hold out on this season, rest up and get ready to hopefully play in the World Championships for Team USA.

What do you guys think?

Timberwolf Mar 14, 2006 10:10 PM

I also think Amare should just sit out this season. Like you said, the Suns are playing really well. Trying to integrate Amare into their offensive and defensive sets would disrupt their current chemistry.

Even though Steve Nash would surely find a way to get him settled, there will always be that adjustment period for the whole team. Plus, Amare has GOT to be out of shape. Five-on-five team practice is no simulation for a real NBA game.

Even if he does come back this year, there's no way the organization is gonna play him 40 minutes a night. So he's looking at likely 20 minutes -- maybe even 10-15 to ease him back. That's just a disruption to the team.

Health-wise, Amare should be very careful. There's been a lot of players who had the same surgery, and were never the same again. But Amare is still young. He should make sure he's 100%, and in shape before he attempts to come back.

But if he's already at 100% right now and ready to go -- (which is unlikely) -- the Suns should bring him back right now. This gives him about 20 games to get in shape and into the flow of things before the Playoffs start.


It'd be funny if, in a weird twist of events, the Suns win the championship without Amare. Then what.

Not that they will. Just sayin'.

bishop743 Mar 14, 2006 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
IIt'd be funny if, in a weird twist of events, the Suns win the championship without Amare. Then what.

Not that they will. Just sayin'.

Nah, in a 7 game series, I don't think they have a very good chance of beating the Spurs. Maybe the Mavericks, but surely not the Spurs. Having Amare would greatly help them against San Antonio though, because he'd be able to bang in there and gets some dunks and easy buckets. He was a beast in the playoffs for them last season.

Timberwolf Mar 15, 2006 12:06 AM

Yeah, they definitely won't win the West.

But even if for some bizarre reason they did make it out -- which they surely won't -- the Pistons would slaughter them.

But ... is anyone looking at Steve Nash as a likely MVP winner? Just look at the entire Suns squad flop when Nash sits out a game. He's also having a better year than last season, when he did win MVP. I hope the media won't hold it against him and vote for other players simply because Nash already won it last year.

nazpyro Mar 15, 2006 12:35 AM

Steve Nash is easily the favorite for the NBA MVP Award. There's nothing wrong with getting it back-to-back. Look at Duncan, Jordan, Magic, Bird,... And the Canadian very well deserves it, even more than last season.

Screw the media.. the NBA names it anyway, and David Stern is the man. The media won't sway him.

Timberwolf Mar 15, 2006 12:44 AM

Actually, the MVP voting is done by the media. A panel of sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the U.S. and Canada submit their votes.

10 points are awarded for each first-place vote
7 points are awarded for each second-place vote
5 points are awarded for each third-place vote
3 points are awarded for each fourth-place vote
1 point is awarded for each fifth-place vote


David Stern has no say in who gets MVP.

nazpyro Mar 15, 2006 03:17 AM

Aww boo. Dang.

Then David Stern should allow the media to have their vote, and if it's not who he had in mind, he should suspend the media for a year.

bishop743 Mar 15, 2006 10:19 AM

Steve Nash, Carmelo Anthony and Kobe Bryant are my front-runners for MVP this year. Nash is playing even better than in his MVP-winning campaign last season, Kobe is a candidate every year because he's the only guy on that team who can give them a chance to win and 'Melo is just plain tearin' it up this season. If I had to place a vote right now, I'd give it to Nash. That team is SO much worse when he's not on the court, not just when he misses a game, but even when the coach takes him out during a game to get him a breather. I think he'll win it too. It'll be yet another attempt at the NBA trying to "change their image" from the hood, hip-hop culture that has saturated their league. But, beyond that, he deserves the damn award.

Timberwolf Mar 15, 2006 10:58 AM

What do you guys think the chances are for guys like Chauncey Billups and Dirk Nowitzki to win it?

bishop743 Mar 15, 2006 11:06 AM

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What do you guys think the chances are for guys like Chauncey Billups and Dirk Nowitzki to win it?

Billups definitely has a chance to win it. The Pistons have been far and away the best team in the league this year, and he's the main reason why. He's a great distributer of the ball and he is as clutch of a shooter as anyone in the Association. However Nowitzki, while he's having a great season, I don't think he has has good of a shot. I mean, he had a pretty good year last season too and I don't remember anybody putting him in last year's MVP conversation. He's an excellent player but I just don't think he stands much of a shot to win it.

Timberwolf Mar 15, 2006 11:14 AM

But what if Dallas finishes with the number one record in the West? :)

They have an identical record (50-14) with San Antonio right now.

bishop743 Mar 15, 2006 02:24 PM

It's gonna be a dogfight between San Antonio and Dallas for that #1 spot. But, I dunno man, I just think a lot of the voters will look at all the help he has and that will deter some of them from giving him 1st place votes. Removing either Steve Nash, Kobe Bryant or Carmelo Anthony would be more detrimental to their respective teams than if Nowitzki was pulled from Dallas, and that's what defines "MVP" for me.

Timberwolf Mar 15, 2006 11:54 PM

I agree. Take away Dirk, and you would still have a decent Dallas team. Take away Chauncey, and you still have Big Ben, Rasheed, Prince, and RIP.

Take away Nash, and Phoenix collapses.

I think Dirk will get some votes from the media, though (Mark Cuban is probably cooking something up). Duncan will also get a lot of votes (though Tony Parker has arguably been more valuable to the Spurs this season).

Speaking of Melo ... it's unbelievable this kid didn't even make the All-Star team this season. For me, Melo was the biggest All-Star snub this year.

bishop743 Mar 16, 2006 07:13 AM

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Speaking of Melo ... it's unbelievable this kid didn't even make the All-Star team this season. For me, Melo was the biggest All-Star snub this year.

I agree. I can't believe that neither the fans or the league voted him in. He's having a sensational year.

Also, as far as the MVP race is concerned, Elton Brand deserves to be in the discussion as well. He's having a monster year for a suprisingly good Clippers team.

Timberwolf Mar 16, 2006 01:16 PM

And right on cue, Melo hits yet another game-winner last night in Indiana.

Clutch.

Kid's got ice-water in his veins.


As for Elton Brand, he's always been a 20-10 guy. This season, his scoring is way up at 25.3 per game, and is a career-year for him. But I also attribute the Clippers success this season to the new additions: Sam Cassell and Cuttino Mobley.

It's easy to see who came out on top in that Cassell-Jaric trade. What was Minnesota thinking.

Yuu don't trade Sam Cassell during a contract year, when everybody knows Sammy will be playing his butt off for that next contract.

nazpyro Mar 16, 2006 01:32 PM

It seems like we're the only three ever posting in this thread. Are we the only lovers of this game?

Speaking of all-star snubs, it was also agreed that Chris Paul was one too. He'll get his due though. And honestly, the Detroit Pistons did not deserve 4 players there.

MVP candidates: Dirk sure is making a quiet run towards it. Elton's a beast. Nash is even more MVP quality than he was last year. Kobe's the only player on his team, and he might make the playoffs by himself, which is ridiculous. Billups has a decent chance but apparently he's on an all-star team. Carmelo is being stellar, but no.

Changing topic, so who's out first: Starbury or Brown?

Timberwolf Mar 16, 2006 02:02 PM

Yeah, it does seem like we're the only three posting here :)

Who's out first -- Steph or Larry.

I'd say Steph.

Marbury is an undeniable talent, but he's a cancer to every team he's been on. He can't make anybody better. As a point guard, how can you not.

When he and Jason Kidd were swapped, Kidd instantly put New Jersey on the map (two consecutive Finals appearances). Steph couldn't much with his Phoenix team, despite having both Marion and Amare to work with.

Then he was traded to New York. And Phoenix got Nash during the summer. And Phoenix tore it up.

And New York ... well, Jerome Williams retired.

Marbury can't adapt his game to the talents and role players around him. He just doesn't get it.

I mean, Kevin Garnett blossomed even more after Marbury forced his way out of Minnesota. In that sense, I'm glad Marbury left because it benefited KG's individual career (though certainly not his championship aspirations).

Marbury is wearing out his welcome in his hometown New York.

bishop743 Mar 16, 2006 02:56 PM

Everywhere Cassell goes the team usually improves instantly. Guy's a great PG and is also a clutch shooter down the stretch of games. 2 S's, 2 L's, playah. 2 S's, 2 L's.

Stephon Marbury is out! I don't really like his game that much. He's got skills but I feel he's overrated. I mean, damn, dude must have been hurt when he got shipped from a horrible New Jersey team, only to have Jason Kidd come up in there and take 'em to 2 NBA Finals in a row. To me, "Starbury" is a selfish player who doesn't have as much talent as a lot of people think. Oh yeah, he's outta there. I did like that one time though when he crossed up Yao Ming so bad, he went and fell on his ass. That was classic and a very LOL moment.

nazpyro Mar 16, 2006 10:43 PM

I remember that moment. Hilarious!

But yeah, Starb-err needs to go. Sadly, I don't think the Knicks will improve as much as the Nets/Suns did when he left, just because of how awful the Knicks still are. I put Franchise in there with Starbuck as point-guards-I-don't-like-not-only-because-they're-not-point-guards-but-because-they're-idiots. After all their moves this season, it's funny because they still don't have a point guard.

So, apparently, Kevin Garnett was hatched from a basketball. I can only believe it's true.

Man, my brother, Earl You-can-only-hope-to-contain-him Boykins, is hurt. Aww, if Carmelo wants to make a run for MVP, he better step it up even more now. Though I wish uber-underrated PG, Andre Miller, will step it up since he is on 70% of my fantasy teams. Good stuff.

Timberwolf Mar 17, 2006 10:53 AM

Perhaps Larry Brown isn't all that better.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ant/index.html


If the Knicks have been turd, then...

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In his first season in New York, Brown has flushed the Knicks straight down the NBA toilet.

bishop743 Mar 18, 2006 10:34 AM

Larry Brown has always been a coach that landed in a situation where he inherited a team that was good but just couldn't get over the hump as far as playoffs/championships are concerned. Within a year or two, he'd more often than not have them in either the playoffs or contending for a championship. However, here in New York, that just ain't gonna happen. I dont think this is his fault at all, it's Isiah Thomas' fault. Like the article says, the traded for all those huge contracts on a team that already leads the league is overall payroll. If anybody should be kicked fromt his team, it's him. Didn't anyone get the picture when the guy totally ruined the CBA?

Timberwolf Mar 18, 2006 12:19 PM

Sometimes I wonder just how great of a coach Larry Brown is. I mean, sure, it's easy to win when you have the pieces. And he's definitely a good coach. But great?

As a coach, you also have to be good at managing the egos and personnels you have on the team. You can't always force your coaching philosophy onto your players -- you need to adapt and tailor your coaching style to the type of players that you have.

He really hasn't done that in New York this year.

But ohhhh my, the Knicks beat the Pistons last night. I had to double-check the score because I thought I was seeing things.

bishop743 Mar 18, 2006 01:03 PM

I don't really think that it has much to do with him not adapting his style to the players he has. Stephon Marbury is the only guy that has been making waves in the media about not being happy with his role. It's just that the suits up top have not been making good decisions about who they have been bringing in. Taking on the contracts of Aging, overpaid, and mostly overated players isn't exactly a way to bolster your roster or help to get wins. You can't put that on Larry Brown. I think he's a great coach. Like I said, he has been successful at every one of his stops. Very few coaches can say that.

Timberwolf Mar 18, 2006 01:09 PM

I see your point ... Isiah Thomas has done a horrible job of putting this team together.

And yeah, now that I think about it, Larry Brown has accomplished a lot, and has taken so many teams to the Playoffs.

He always seems to wear out his welcome, though. That's what I've noticed. And the thing he did last year, when he was looking hard at the Cleveland position while in the midst of the Finals -- that was very unprofessional. He always talks about "playing the right way." What he did last year wasn't "coaching the right way." And I lost so much respect for him after that.

[And wasn't he the coach of that 2004 Athens team? He couldn't manage Carmelo Anthony? He had Lebron riding the bench? All that talent on the squad, and all they could do was Bronze...]

bishop743 Mar 18, 2006 03:19 PM

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I see your point ... Isiah Thomas has done a horrible job of putting this team together.

And yeah, now that I think about it, Larry Brown has accomplished a lot, and has taken so many teams to the Playoffs.

He always seems to wear out his welcome, though. That's what I've noticed. And the thing he did last year, when he was looking hard at the Cleveland position while in the midst of the Finals -- that was very unprofessional. He always talks about "playing the right way." What he did last year wasn't "coaching the right way." And I lost so much respect for him after that.

[And wasn't he the coach of that 2004 Athens team? He couldn't manage Carmelo Anthony? He had Lebron riding the bench? All that talent on the squad, and all they could do was Bronze...]

Yeah, he does seem to wear out his welcome at some point with every team he's been with. And I also agree with you on the whole Pistons/Cavs deal last season. He had no right to do that and I lost a great deal of respect for him because of it. Yeah, he was the coach of the Athens USA Basketball team. He hardly played Carmelo. But, Carmelo has said that that experience really helped him out, so he took it as a positive. And, as I watch how great he's playing this season, it seems like all that crap he went through has paid huge dividends.

Timberwolf Mar 18, 2006 06:39 PM

The Conseco Fieldhouse crowd rained boos down on Ron Artest yesterday.

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"If there was a fight between the fans who loved me or booed me, I think the boos would have won."
You think, Ron Ron?


And this one has been in the news for a while. But still -- WHAT THE HELL.

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/ci_3561131

nazpyro Mar 18, 2006 06:44 PM

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And this one has been in the news for a while. But still -- WHAT THE HELL.

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/ci_3561131

Yeah, I saw that. I read the article last month on ESPN Insider, and on fanball while reading fantasy sports news. That's awesome.

Timberwolf Mar 18, 2006 07:44 PM

Maybe she's testing AK47.


Some random observations/musings in my head...

- Kobe Bryant had 11 assists yesterday. Whoa.

- The Timberwolves are so disappointing. Seven straight losses. Second worst record in the West.

- Pistons have lost four out of their last 10 games.

- The newest fashion trend in the NBA is tights. Some players shouldn't wear them.

- The Hornets are suddenly struggling, now in 9th place

- The Kings are suddenly hot, now sitting at 7th place. They may actually make the Playoffs.

- Steve Nash for MVP. Or something like that.

- Kevin Garnett is the loneliest player in the NBA.

- I want a pair of AJ XXII.

- Dwight Howard had a sick alley-oop dunk last night.

- Five seconds in the game, down one point. Give me Melo instead of Kobe.

- Gerald Wallace, if he keeps this up, will become only the third player in NBA history to average more than 2 blocks and 2 steals in a season (Hakeem, David Robinson).

- Gerald Wallace is 6'7".

bishop743 Mar 18, 2006 11:41 PM

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- Kobe Bryant had 11 assists yesterday. Whoa.

Yep, 11 dimes... and they lost.

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
- The Timberwolves are so disappointing. Seven straight losses. Second worst record in the West.

2 years removed from making it to the Western Conference Finals, it's a damn shame to see the T-Wolves in this state. I really think they should try shopping KG around this summer. He's done ALL that he can possibly do for that team. I believe it's time for him to move on.

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- Pistons have lost four out of their last 10 games.

Yeah, and 3 of those losses are against the Knicks, Wizards and Lakers.

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- The Kings are suddenly hot, now sitting at 7th place. They may actually make the Playoffs.

Ron Artest has played immediate dividends for the Kings. I think that they will make the postseason.

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- I want a pair of AJ XXII.

You and me both. I probably will get a pair though. Might buy 2 and sell one for a profit.

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- Five seconds in the game, down one point. Give me Melo instead of Kobe.

I concur, brotha. I concur.

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
- Gerald Wallace, if he keeps this up, will become only the third player in NBA history to average more than 2 blocks and 2 steals in a season (Hakeem, David Robinson).

- Gerald Wallace is 6'7".

Gerald Wallace is having a stellar season. He's definitely a star on the rise.

Ryuu Mar 19, 2006 11:07 AM

Surprise surprise...Rockets lose again. It is the Spurs, but still, I think they've lost their last three or so straight. They play the Clippers Monday, maybe they can rebound from their losing streak.

bishop743 Mar 19, 2006 01:16 PM

heh, the Rockets are an even bigger disappointment than the T-Wolves this year. They have two bonified superstars in T-Mac and Yao Ming and a pretty good supporting cast, yet they are nowhere near the playoff picture at this point. It just doesn't make sense. There's no reason why they shouldn't be one of the elite teams in the Western Conference, yet they are one of the worst right now.

Timberwolf Mar 19, 2006 01:38 PM

It's just that T-Mac and Yao have been out so much. T-Mac's back problems, especially, have led to so many Rockets losses.

And it's not just Yao and T-Mac, but many other key players squad have been hit with injuries ... Stro, Skip, Sura.



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2 years removed from making it to the Western Conference Finals, it's a damn shame to see the T-Wolves in this state. I really think they should try shopping KG around this summer. He's done ALL that he can possibly do for that team. I believe it's time for him to move on.

I don't think KG will move on simply because he think he has a better chance at a championship elsewhere.

KG is fiercely loyal. All that he's ever asked management is to do their best to improve the team, bring in the right players, and make the Timberwolves competitive. The last two seasons, management screwed up. Let's face it, Marko Jaric has only made the team worse.

The only way I see KG asking for a trade is if he sees the management slacking off and not doing anything to make the Timberwolves competitive. If he feels betrayed, he might want to be traded.

But if left on his own, KG will never leave Minnesota. He's too loyal and strong-willed.


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You and me both. I probably will get a pair though. Might buy 2 and sell one for a profit.

Are you going to get the red? I love the red.


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Anyone else watching the Kobe-Cavaliers game on ABC right now?

bishop743 Mar 19, 2006 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
It's just that T-Mac and Yao have been out so much. T-Mac's back problems, especially, have led to so many Rockets losses.

And it's not just Yao and T-Mac, but many other key players squad have been hit with injuries ... Stro, Skip, Sura.

Even when they have everyone at full strength, they still haven't been playing on a very high level. I wish I could find some stats on their record when T-Mac and Yao are in the lineup. I wouldn't think it'd be too impressive.

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I don't think KG will move on simply because he think he has a better chance at a championship elsewhere.

KG is fiercely loyal. All that he's ever asked management is to do their best to improve the team, bring in the right players, and make the Timberwolves competitive. The last two seasons, management screwed up. Let's face it, Marko Jaric has only made the team worse.

The only way I see KG asking for a trade is if he sees the management slacking off and not doing anything to make the Timberwolves competitive. If he feels betrayed, he might want to be traded.

But if left on his own, KG will never leave Minnesota. He's too loyal and strong-willed.

Yeah, he's hella loyal, but you'd be suprised what continued losing will do to you. Sometimes you just have to say enough is enough. If this keeps up I do think he will asked to be traded... or the orgranization will take it upon themselves to deal him. The orgranization DOES need to step up though. KG is damn sure doing his share... and then some!

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Are you going to get the red? I love the red.

Yeah, those red ones are the hotness. Those are the ones I'll be getting.

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Anyone else watching the Kobe-Cavaliers game on ABC right now?

haha @ "Kobe-Cavaliers". Yeah, I'm flipping between that and the NCAA's.

Timberwolf Mar 19, 2006 02:29 PM

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Yeah, those red ones are the hotness. Those are the ones I'll be getting.

Niiiice.

I had a friend who would purchase every new pair of Air Jordans as it comes out. But he wouldn't wear that pair. He would ball in the pair released the year before. Then when a new AJ comes out the following year, he would again ball in the pair released the previous year.



It's halftime in Cleveland. Lebron has 18 points. Kobe has 24 points on 10-15 shooting. He also has 5 assists. That last shot from the corner at the halftime buzzer, with Lebron draped all over him, was like whoa.

It's pretty clear that Kobe wants to school Lebron. Just look at him when he's guarding Lebron. It's like he wants to bite his head off.

nazpyro Mar 19, 2006 04:08 PM

Haha, nice. Cavs won. It's always fun to watch the Lakers lose, especially when it comes down to Kobe missing a final shot. It's great.

Dang, I want Air Jordans, but I'd probably never use them. If I had the money, I'd just go for the collection, like the complete signed collection sold on eBay recently: http://cgi.ebay.com/Michael-Jordan-S...QQcmdZViewItem

I was in awe the first time I saw that. I remain envious.

Timberwolf Mar 19, 2006 04:17 PM

With only three seconds left in the game, I don't understand why Kobe would catch the ball near midcourt with three defenders running at him.

I mean, what is that.


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Dang, I want Air Jordans, but I'd probably never use them. If I had the money, I'd just go for the collection, like the complete signed collection sold on eBay recently: http://cgi.ebay.com/Michael-Jordan-S...QQcmdZViewItem

I was in awe the first time I saw that. I remain envious.

Oh geez, that is a whole lot of money.

Ryuu Mar 19, 2006 04:39 PM

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Haha, nice. Cavs won. It's always fun to watch the Lakers lose, especially when it comes down to Kobe missing a final shot. It's great.

Dang, I want Air Jordans, but I'd probably never use them. If I had the money, I'd just go for the collection, like the complete signed collection sold on eBay recently: http://cgi.ebay.com/Michael-Jordan-S...QQcmdZViewItem

I was in awe the first time I saw that. I remain envious.

Damn. That's a pretty sweet collection, especially since they're all signed and everything - and they include every single one of the Air Jordan series.

Plus the purpose of the auction was the benefit a non-profit organization. Pretty sweet, too bad I would never have that amount of money to spend on shoes. *Shrugs*

Timberwolf Mar 19, 2006 06:41 PM

A pretty good article written about the Steph-Larry feud:

http://www.allsports.com/cgi-bin/sho...story_id=58464.


Here's the cut & paste:

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SportsTicker Pro Basketball Notebook

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March 17, 2006

By Chris Bernucca
SportsTicker Pro Basketball Editor

BRISTOL, Connecticut (Ticker) - In his 10-year career, Stephon Marbury hasn't done much winning. He's about to lose again, this time to his coach.

When Marbury's long-simmering feud with Larry Brown became highly public this week - and there's plenty of blame on both sides for allowing it to get to that stage - the point guard of the New York Knicks played his last hole card way too early.

It is so easy to quickly point the finger at Marbury, who has been traded three times, has yet to win a postseason series and often plays as if he does not trust his teammates. He was booed during introductions Wednesday, making this the second homecoming he has screwed up. Or have you forgotten how the New York tabloids played the start of his two-plus fruitless years in New Jersey?

But Marbury is clearly within his rights to be upset with Brown, who once again has taken his dissatisfaction with a prominent player to the media rather than keep a potentially disruptive issue within the team.

"He always crosses the line," Marbury correctly pointed out. "That's not nothing new. He handles certain things through the media as opposed to sitting down and talking to people. Still, if you sit down and talk to coach, it's liable to get back to everybody. You're really not safe there, either."

Brown did the same thing with Allen Iverson in Philadelphia. The difference was Iverson was smart enough - and tough enough - not to take the bait. In six years, he never snapped back personally, at least not on the record.

Knicks practices this week resembled the British House of Commons meetings that air on C-SPAN, with Brown and Marbury taking turns speaking their piece on the issues with veiled insults and threats directed at each other. All they needed was someone to wear a funny wig and media members to say "Hear, hear" at each pause.

As it was in Philadelphia, Brown's gripe with his star player is over control of the team. Brown wants Marbury to make a better commitment to team play, an approach that has allowed the coach to make things appreciably better in each of his previous seven NBA gigs.

"I'm the coach of a basketball team," Brown said. "The only thing that matters to me is we play the right way and share the ball, try to guard and care for our teammates. I'm not going to focus on things that have nothing to do with being a good teammate.

"Every good team, it's all about the team. The only message is, you want to be part of the team, want to make your teammates better. If you don't have that on your agenda, then it's probably a bad place to be."

Marbury wants more freedom within the offense. He wants to be "Starbury," the nickname he earned as a high school star in Brooklyn and wears as a tattoo. He would like to see Brown's track record of turning losers into winners begin to take effect at Madison Square Garden.

"He's speaking on things that he's done," Marbury said. "People in New York want to know, what is he gonna do as far as us winning? What happened in the past is in the past. New Yorkers relate to what's happening now. They live more in the present."

The present is an absolute mess. The Knicks are 18-45 and have saddled Brown with just his fourth losing season in 23 years as an NBA coach. They have too many pretty boys with cushy contracts and not enough alley cats hungry for their next meal.

With a whimsical nature borne out by a ridiculous 36 different starting lineups and a waffling on whether to play veterans or kids, Brown has to take some of the blame. However, his resume is coated with Hall of Fame Teflon, which has allowed him to withstand the heat better than Marbury - and go after him in the media.

"I'll take full responsibility for us winning (18) games and losing 45," Brown said. "(But) you're the best guard in the league and the team's (bad); yeah, it's the coach's fault. If you're the best player, surely you're going to have some effect on the outcome. And I've never given any player in my career more free reign."

That's highly debatable, given the number of touches Iverson had when Brown was with the 76ers. Marbury is not Iverson - a foolish belief he conveyed to Brown earlier this season - but he is not Haywoode Workman or Eric Snow, either. And being singled out for the team's failures brought his simmer to a boil.

"I'm no longer going to allow him to say things about me and I'm not going to say anything back. That's not going to happen," Marbury said. "I allowed him to drag me the first three, four months in the paper and I didn't say one word. I sat back and took it. If something's going to be said, I'm going to defend myself. My mother taught me that. If somebody hits me, you hit them back."

Apparently, Marbury has had enough. The New York Daily News reported this week that Marbury has told at least two teammates he expects to be traded during the offseason and is anticipating the customary end-of-season sit-down to speak his piece with president Isiah Thomas and owner James Dolan, Brown's bosses.

But by running his mouth - admittedly in self-defense - Marbury did himself a disservice. With his track record and three years at $60 million remaining on his contract, his options already were limited. By publicly challenging his coach, he likely has scared away some more suitors.

If Marbury had kept his mouth shut for another month - not impossible, given his admirable extended reticence throughout the season - he could have quietly and politely requested a trade and simply told his new employers that he and Brown were a bad fit. After all, he wouldn't have been the first star with whom Brown did not see eye to eye.

But this is not free agency. Marbury has to be traded, which in today's NBA financial climate is not unlike Michael Corleone's desire to kill Hyman Roth at the airport while he is surrounded by government officials - difficult, but not impossible. The Knicks have to (a) find a team that is interested in him that (b) can offer a fair package in return.

As a rival GM, who would you want - a 20-and-8 guy not yet 30 years old who is just looking for a fresh start and wants to win? Or a confrontational ballhog and loser who has to have things his way and has worn out his welcome in four previous stops?

It's all about the presentation, and Marbury foolishly made his way too early by responding to Brown's criticism in public.
Stephon Marbury definitely NOT Allen Iverson. No where near AI's caliber.

And even worse than Brown, Marbury also wears out his welcome in every place he's been. He's not a winner. He's not a team-player. He complains all the time and takes cheap jabs at people.

Remember how when he was in Phoenix, he compared Amare Stoudemire to Kevin Garnett as Michael Jordan to Mario Elie.

I had a good laugh about that one.

And remember how he said he believed he was the best point guard in the NBA.

I laughed even more.

bishop743 Mar 20, 2006 10:21 AM

Marbury isn't even among the top 5 point guards in the league, let alone on the same level as Allen Iverson. Timberwolf, you talked about how a coach should be able to adapt his style to the team he's coaching, well I think a "star" player such as Marbury should be able to do the same. The mark of a great player is whether or not he can make his teammates better and Marbury has really never done that at any of his stops. And, right now, he seems to only be concerned with himself and only about how he's being used. That's just selfish and disrepectful to the rest of the team. If he were as good of player as he says and thinks he is, he'd be able to tailor his game to his surroundings. He can't... so he isn't.

Timberwolf Mar 20, 2006 01:23 PM

You're right, Marbury isn't a great point guard at all. A star should definitely be able to tailor his game to the team concept, and Marbury's got it all mixed-up. He doesn't make anyone around him better.

Let's say New York decides they've had enough and want to part ways with Marbury...

Who would want him.

bishop743 Mar 20, 2006 01:39 PM

lol, dude, T.O. just got a brand-spanking new deal with the Dallas Cowboys after all that crap he pulled last year in Philly. SOMEBODY is going to pick Marbury up. I have no idea who though. Maybe Boston would be stupid enough to trade Pierce for him? They traded Antoine Walker when they shouldn't have... got him back.... then traded him again!! Morons.

Timberwolf Mar 20, 2006 01:55 PM

Yeah ... Marbury will always find another team who wants him. There's too much talent there. But he's really a cancer, though. I think that any young, rebuilding team would hesitate to him because of his negative influence. Even Playoff contenders may look at him crooked because he may very well end up disrupting their chemistry.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if Marbury ends up back in Minnesota. It's like coming full circle. It's like, "I was so stupid, please take me back." But as a Timberwolves fan, I don't want Marbury back.

I like how before he was traded from Minnesota, Marbuary was always "New York this, New York that, Coney Island this, Coney Island that" and "Minnesota's too cold."

But he was really thinking, "How come KG gets more money than me."

Then he got traded to New Jersey, he was like, "It's still not New York, but close enough" and "What is Keith Van Horn."

Then it's on to Phoenix, and it's all "Amare is MJ, KG is Mario Elie."

Finally, he gets shipped to New York, and it's like "Yes! I'm finally going home and playing in front of the Garden -- it's a dream come true" and "I'm the best point guard in the NBA."

Now he gets booed at home.

bishop743 Mar 20, 2006 02:31 PM

Maybe the guy just hasn't found the right spot for himself. He might not be right for Larry Brown's system, but the way he's going about it is totally wrong. It's just like when Vince Carter threatened to not play hard while he was with the Raptors in hopes that he'd be traded. Well, he finally got his wish and he's playing great ball now in Jersey (the way he went about it was wrong as well). Stephon Marbury has the potential to be a superstar-type player, he just doesn't have the drive, determination or class to make it happen.

On another note, the Los Angeles Kobes lost to 'Bron 'Bron and the Cavs yesterday. I love when Bryant gets his points and they still lose. It's just classic! haha, Eric Snow is probably even a better PG than Marbury right now.

nazpyro Mar 20, 2006 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
On another note, the Los Angeles Kobes lost to 'Bron 'Bron and the Cavs yesterday. I love when Bryant gets his points and they still lose. It's just classic! haha, Eric Snow is probably even a better PG than Marbury right now.

Eric Snow is a much better PG than Starbury on the lone fact that Marbury isn't a point guard. It's all about the Eric Snow Show.

Timberwolf Mar 20, 2006 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
It's just like when Vince Carter threatened to not play hard while he was with the Raptors in hopes that he'd be traded. Well, he finally got his wish and he's playing great ball now in Jersey (the way he went about it was wrong as well).

Okay, I am in T-Dot. And obviously, the mere mention of Vince Carter makes me mad :p

He didn't just threaten to stop playing hard. He actually just stopped playing.

Half-man Half-season. Half-man Half-effort.

-----

I just purchased tickets to go see the Timberwolves play the Raptors. I'm really excited.

The last time I went to see the Timberwolves was back in the 2000-2001 season, so it's been a while.

I figure there's a chance this could be the last time I see Kevin Garnett in that Timberwolves jersey. And KG's my boy, so I can't miss this.

bishop743 Mar 20, 2006 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Okay, I am in T-Dot. And obviously, the mere mention of Vince Carter makes me mad :p

He didn't just threaten to stop playing hard. He actually just stopped playing.

Half-man Half-season. Half-man Half-effort.

Do you not like him because of what he did to get traded or did you not like him front the start?

Timberwolf Mar 20, 2006 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
Do you not like him because of what he did to get traded or did you not like him front the start?

Oh, I loved Vince Carter from 1998-1999 to 2003-2004. Even though he got hurt a lot later on, I still loved what he did for the franchise. City of Vinsanity, as it was.

And a healthy Vince Carter was a spectacular show. He was athletic, explosive, clutch, personable, and did stuff for the community and charities.

But his final few months as a Raptor ... I can't believe he did that. And to go to New Jersey, and suddenly play his heart out ... that really hurt the people in T-Dot.

bishop743 Mar 22, 2006 01:48 PM

Big game tonight between the Heat and Pistons. It doesn't look like Shaq is going to play so the Pistons should have the edge. The Pistons have owned Miami in Detroit as of late, having won 6 of the last 7 meetings. But D-Wade has been playing hella good ball the past several months or so. Should be a good one to watch.

Timberwolf Mar 22, 2006 10:41 PM

Shaq ended up playing, but the Pistons won anyway. Detroit is still the team to beat in the East.


Amare's return is near:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html

Take it easy, young fella.

bishop743 Mar 23, 2006 07:43 AM

Man, the Heat can't win for losing. Shaq plays, then Alonzo gets hurts. If it's a torn calf muscle like it's being reported to be, he could be out for awhile. But yeah, the Pistons proove yet again why they are the class of the East.

Amare says that he's 80% sure he'll play tonight. I, personally, feel that they should just go ahead and shut him down for the rest of the season. The guy has a potential to be one of the best players in the league for a long time, you don't want to risk gettig him injured again. But, if he says he's ready, maybe he's ready.

Also, LeBron hit the first game-winning shot of his career against the Bobcats last night. So, congrats to him, I guess.

Timberwolf Mar 23, 2006 01:18 PM

Good for Lebron. Here's to many more clutch baskets.

----


The man who used to make it Reign...
The man who used to soar so high he needed stitches after hitting his head on the rim...
The man who used to dunk so hard like whut...

The man who then stood at the buffet line too many times...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html


...

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...C-Windmill.jpg

bishop743 Mar 23, 2006 02:06 PM

Shawn Kemp used to be one of the most dazzling dunkers in the game. He and Gary Payton made a very formidable tandem. But, after that great run, he really let himself go. He was a totally different person. Good for him that he's trying to make a comeback. He might be a nice role player for some team.

Timberwolf Mar 23, 2006 02:15 PM

Yeah, he came back from that '98'99 Lockout Season completely out of shape. He ballooned to 325lb. Amazingly, because his legs were so strong, he could still dunk. But he couldn't fly like he used to.

And the Reignman used to FLY. Those aerial assaults to the rim were insane. People used to get knocked down.

Lister Blister, anyone.

Shawn Kemp is one of the greatest in-traffic dunkers of all time. He would dunk on people. Over people. Around people. And through people.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...kElevation.jpg

bishop743 Mar 23, 2006 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf

Holy shit, man! Look at his hand. It's almost at the top of the damn backboard. I swear, the throwback Kemp took the word "hops" to a whole new level. Human Hightight Film v2.0, for real.

Timberwolf Mar 23, 2006 02:49 PM

I'm gonna upload some Reignman highlight videos to you later. The guy was just a damn beast. I found that photo a long time ago, and I stared at it for the longest time in disbelief.



On a slightly different, but no less spectacular, note:

OH MAH GOODNESS.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hwc6hYoq3...llen%20iverson

nazpyro Mar 23, 2006 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Shawn Kemp is one of the greatest in-traffic dunkers of all time. He would dunk on people. Over people. Around people. And through people.

With that and the possiblity of Amare's return tonight, I'm looking forward to seeing Amare's one move: charge through anything to the rim and dunk. I guess it's okay for him to come back to get back in game shape as the playoffs near. I'm curious about the effects on fantasy leagues as his returns suddenly puts a should've-been first round pick on someone's roster.

Timberwolf Mar 23, 2006 05:32 PM

I guess that's why Phoenix is okay with him coming back right now, so that he can get himself in shape to do damage in the Playoffs.

Amare is a great, strong player. His dunks are powerful, but he has no hangtime. He plows through people on the floor before he elevates.

Shawn Kemp plowed through people in midair...

nazpyro Mar 24, 2006 12:41 AM

Holy crap, the Suns rocked the living shit out of the Jailblazers [in offense, anyway]. I don't think Portland had an clue what they were getting into. Yeah, Amare's a monster again. 76 points in the first half. Wow.

Timberwolf Mar 24, 2006 09:55 AM

Very nice first game back for Amare. 20 points, 9 rebounds, 2 blocks in just 19 minutes of play.


The Dallas-Golden State game was something. J-Rich's shot was awesome.

bishop743 Mar 24, 2006 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
On a slightly different, but no less spectacular, note:

OH MAH GOODNESS.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hwc6hYoq3...llen%20iverson

As Stuart Scott would say: "I ain't gonna say nothing, but that ain't right." That crossoever was just plain sick.

Big ups to Amare for coming in and making an impact right off the bat. ... What injury!!?

Yeah, that Warriors-Mavericks game was tight. Jason Richardson's shot was hot, so was Derek Fisher's, even though they didn't count it.

Timberwolf Mar 24, 2006 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
As Stuart Scott would say: "I ain't gonna say nothing, but that ain't right." That crossoever was just plain sick.


Ohhh yeah. I mean, AI made Daniels fall TWICE on that sequence. And Antonio Daniels is no pushover.

:: sizes him up ::

:: crosses ::

:: Daniels falls ::

:: hesitation -- crosses again ::

:: Daniels falls some more ::

:: layup ::



Okay, here's that Shawn Kemp mix I promised:

http://s48.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3...8134E40HRXP8IA

SONIC BOOM.

bishop743 Mar 25, 2006 08:42 AM

That Shawn Kemp mix was the hotness. It really sucks to see what he became after that.

Looking at the Western Conference right now, it's gonna be a dogfight for those 7 and 8 spots. The Lakers and Kings have them at the moment, respectfully, but New Oreleans and Utah are right on their necks. Gonna be interesting to see who gets in and who gets left out.

nazpyro Mar 25, 2006 05:48 PM

Shawn Kemp is beast.

As for the West, I would prefer the Lakers not be in the playoffs. I'm all for the Hornets and the Jazz (and the Kings) so I'd like any of them to go.

Timberwolf Mar 25, 2006 09:42 PM

I'm watching the Nuggets-Suns game right now. It's a tight one so far.


As for the Lakers, they don't have that great of a shot making the Playoffs, considering their remaining schedule: They still have to play Phoenix twice; New Orleans/Oklahoma City twice; San Antonio once; Denver once; and LA Clippers once.

nazpyro Mar 25, 2006 11:27 PM

And this is why Andrei Kirilenko is one of my favorite basketball players. There's nothing to hate about this guy (unless you have him on your fantasy team this season while he's hitting an atrocious sub-70% of his free throws). Other than that: a triple double with 15 points, 14 boards, and 10 blocks. What a monster.

What happened to Amare tonight? Looks like some weak sauce after looking at that box score.

bishop743 Mar 26, 2006 12:13 AM

Andrei Kirilenko is the most star-studded role player in the game. What I mean is he's truly a star in this league (and should have been an all-star) but he also does the little things that role players normally do. He's the best player on the team, yet he's diving for lose balls and blocking almost any shot that gets near the rim. I respect him as much as any superstar in the NBA.

Timberwolf Mar 26, 2006 01:15 AM

Amare looked pretty slow. He had no spring in legs, and he ran very sluggishly and cautiously. The Suns run a lot -- he had better get his cardio up.



Wow, AK47 had a triple-double with blocks? I'm looking at the boxscore now ... very impressive. That's a career high 10 blocks.


Who will be watching the ABC game tomorrow. Allen Iverson and the Sixers are fighting to hold on to that Playoff spot, with a good shot at moving up still.

bishop743 Mar 26, 2006 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Who will be watching the ABC game tomorrow. Allen Iverson and the Sixers are fighting to hold on to that Playoff spot, with a good shot at moving up still.

Yeah, I'll be tuning in. And speaking of that game, as well as people returning, Jermaine O'Neal just recently came back into Indian's lineup. From what I've seen so far, he seems to be playing pretty well after that groin injury. Philly is fighting for their playoff lives right now, and it's not like Indiana is a lock to make the playoffs at this exact moment and time, so it's a pretty important game for both teams. Should be a good matchup.

Timberwolf Mar 26, 2006 03:14 PM

Iggy's alley-oop dunk (off AI's lob) was off the chain.

WOW.

bishop743 Mar 26, 2006 08:34 PM

I must have missed that dunk. I'll try to catch it on Sportscenter. Overall, it was a pretty good game. Indiana got a pretty big win for themselves.

nazpyro Mar 27, 2006 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Iggy's alley-oop dunk (off AI's lob) was off the chain.

WOW.

I saw that dunk. I was just fortunate enough to catch it when it was going on. I sat blankly for a minute (or fifty). "Holy fucking crap."

bishop743 Mar 27, 2006 08:16 AM

Saw the dunk this morning on Sportscenter just before I left for work. All I can sa is "OH MAH GOOOOODNESS!"

Timberwolf Mar 27, 2006 01:33 PM

I like how the three of us hve 92% of the replies in this thread.

More observations and thoughts:

- Charlie Villanueva had 48 points last night against the Bucks. That's an NBA high for a rookie this season. Not too shabby.

- I hope Chris Bosh's injury is minor, and that he's alright.

- Minnesota nearly blew another 20-point lead last night. The Timberwolves just can't seem to put anyone away, and are very prone to blowing leads this year. But to let the Knicks do that, is inexcusable.

- Steve Nash needs to raise his scoring by 0.2 to become the first player since Tim Hardaway in 1992-1993 to average more than 20 points and 10 assists in a season.

- Which Wallace is the best shotblocker -- Ben, Rasheed, or Gerald. The answer isn't that obvious.

- Bruce Bowen is dirty; here are his latest antics: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/bas...950_recap.html

- Kwame Brown is averaging 14.6 points, 8.2 rebounds, 2.2 assists, and shooting 72.5% in his last five games.

- Does Kobe Bryant know.

- Lebron James finally has a gamewinner under his belt. Melo has like fifty thousand.

- I am certain that Michael Olowokandi doesn't exist anymore.

- Tim Duncan is having the worst year of his career (individually-wise). The media doesn't notice because there's some guy named Tony Parker keeping the Spurs in the elite echelon.

- Iguodala dunks good.

bishop743 Mar 27, 2006 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
I like how the three of us hve 92% of the replies in this thread.

haha, seems like we're the only ones who enjoy the pro ball game. That's fine by me heh.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
- Charlie Villanueva had 48 points last night against the Bucks. That's an NBA high for a rookie this season. Not too shabby.

Yes, a very good performance by him last night. Right now, it's Paul, Villanueva, Bosh..... and everybody else. The 4 Tarheels aren't doing much of anything this season.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
- Minnesota nearly blew another 20-point lead last night. The Timberwolves just can't seem to put anyone away, and are very prone to blowing leads this year. But to let the Knicks do that, is inexcusable.

Minnesota is just playing atrcious ball this year. Garnett is the only thing keeping them afloat right now... IF you can even call the position their in "afloat". Boston is probably the only team worse at keeping leads at this point and time than the T-Wolves.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
- Steve Nash needs to raise his scoring by 0.2 to become the first player since Tim Hardaway in 1992-1993 to average more than 20 points and 10 assists in a season.

He shouldn't have a problem at all getting that done. That'll be yet another notch on his belt for his MVP cause this season.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
- Which Wallace is the best shotblocker -- Ben, Rasheed, or Gerald. The answer isn't that obvious.

Normally I'd take Big Ben in a heartbeat among those 3. However, yesterday against the Nets, Ben Wallace was not himself at all. He wasn't that dominant force in the paint like we've come to know. I hope he's alright or the Pistons will be in trouble come June.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
- Bruce Bowen is dirty; here are his latest antics: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/bas...950_recap.html

Several players over the years have complained about Bowen's "style" of defense. Notably guys like Vince Carter and Ray Allen. At first I thought they were just punks 'cause they were getting shut down by him, but after this, it seems now that they had a point.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
- Kwame Brown is averaging 14.6 points, 8.2 rebounds, 2.2 assists, and shooting 72.5% in his last five games.

- Does Kobe Bryant know.

- Excellent for Kwame. He never deserved to be the #1 pick that year (wtf was Jordan thinking?) However, in the right system, he can be a solid player. He's finally starting to prove that now.

- Oh yeah, he knows. But does he care? HELL NAH!!


Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
- Lebron James finally has a gamewinner under his belt. Melo has like fifty thousand.

The race between Carmelo and LeBron isn't even close right now. While James is playing great ball, 'Melo is has lost his damn mind. Seems like the kid is droppin' daggers on a nightly basis these days.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
- I am certain that Michael Olowokandi doesn't exist anymore.

.... Who?!?


Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
- Tim Duncan is having the worst year of his career (individually-wise). The media doesn't notice because there's some guy named Tony Parker keeping the Spurs in the elite echelon.

Tony Parker is the MVP of that team this season. With all that talent around him, Duncan doesn't need to be the deciding factor game after game. But, without him, they don't have a snowball's chance in hell to repeat.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
- Iguodala dunks good.

He sure as hell does.

Timberwolf Mar 27, 2006 04:17 PM

http://www.filelodge.com/files/room1...BowenDirty.gif

That's not basketball.

nazpyro Mar 27, 2006 04:47 PM

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O_O Is he coming in for the flying side kick?!

Timberwolf Mar 27, 2006 04:53 PM

It is Street Fighter II.

But he forgot to ground-sweep upon landing for a two-hit combo.

bishop743 Mar 28, 2006 11:49 AM

Man, the Nets are playin' great ball in the 2nd half of the season. They've won 9 straight games, the last two coming against the Pistons and Suns respectively. They beat the Pistsons in Detroit and then go and dismantle Phoenix. Jason Kidd played great D on both Billups and Nash, pretty much shutting them both down. They're clearly taken the title as the 3rd best team in the East, after the Pistons and Heat.

Speaking of the Suns, Amare Stoudemire is looking quite pitiful right now. I think the performance in his season debut might have been a fluke, him just playing on adrenaline and momentum. I know he needs to work his way back into the lineup, but this is ridiculous.

EDIT:

P.S. Bruce Bowen's scorecard:

elevation = 9.6
landing = 1.4
defensive skills = nonexistant

Timberwolf Mar 28, 2006 08:10 PM

I jumped into the Suns-Nets game in the third quarter. I almost couldn't believe what I was seeing. The score almost didn't make sense.

Steve Nash was scoreless on 0-5 shooting. Amare was scoreless on 0-6 shooting.

I personally don't like the Nets, but yeah, they are playing great basketball right now.

----------

Game of the night: Dallas at Detroit. Right now it's 24-23 Dallas, end of the first quarter.

bishop743 Mar 28, 2006 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
I personally don't like the Nets

heh, I wonder why... lol :P


Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Game of the night: Dallas at Detroit. Right now it's 24-23 Dallas, end of the first quarter.

A game of two powerhouses. I'm tuning in as well. Very good game so far.

Timberwolf Mar 28, 2006 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
heh, I wonder why... lol :P


Haha, Vince does have something to do with that.

But I never liked Jason Kidd either. I lost all respect for him after the incident back in 2001 when he hit Joumana.

And then there's Richard Jefferson. I simply can't stand his face, and that expression he makes when he's playing basketball. It creeps me out.

bishop743 Mar 28, 2006 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
But I never liked Jason Kidd either. I lost all respect for him after the incident back in 2001 when he hit Joumana.

Yeah, that was messed all up. You shouldn't be puttin' your hands on females.... especially a fine one like that.


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And then there's Richard Jefferson. I simply can't stand his face, and that expression he makes when he's playing basketball. It creeps me out.

His face?! WTF, T-Wolf? lol... I don't really pay much attention to his face but I don't pay much attention to his game either. He was injured most of last season and I figured the team would be mediocre this year, so I haven't been keeping up. But man, his face, haha...

Timberwolf Mar 28, 2006 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
His face?! WTF, T-Wolf? lol... I don't really pay much attention to his face but I don't pay much attention to his game either. He was injured most of last season and I figured the team would be mediocre this year, so I haven't been keeping up. But man, his face, haha...


I mean, this could scare small children.

http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/...rson_81036.jpg

bishop743 Mar 28, 2006 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
I mean, this could scare small children.

http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/...rson_81036.jpg

Holy hell, man, that IS pretty damn scary. You need to warn people before you put something up like that next time! :aargh: I stand corrected though. ::shivers:: I wonder what the photographer who took that photo did with the negatives. O_o

Timberwolf Mar 28, 2006 08:55 PM

And that is literally his face whenever he gets bumped or fouled.

I will use spoiler tags next time for something like that.

bishop743 Mar 28, 2006 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
And that is literally his face whenever he gets bumped or fouled.

I will use spoiler tags next time for something like that.

lol, nah man, I was just messing around with the "warn people..." part. But yeah, that is a pretty fucked up facial expression.

Pistons up 52-50 at the half. Hopefully, they'll be able to hold Dallas off and bounce back from that loss to the Nets.

Timberwolf Mar 28, 2006 09:01 PM

So, I've been hearing some whispers of MVP for Nowitzki lately.

I think he'll get some votes.


Edit: Looks like that's it for Amare: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...are/index.html

bishop743 Mar 28, 2006 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Edit: Looks like that's it for Amare: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...are/index.html

I think this the best move either the Suns or Amare could make. It's not like he's some over-the-hill player that's past his prime. He's a young, superstar in the making, with his whole career ahead of him. You don't want to risk further injury or damage to that knee. Shut him down, let him get back to full strength for next season and then go from there. Again, I think this is a smart decision for both parties.

nazpyro Mar 28, 2006 11:04 PM

Yeah, the Suns have been winning without him; they might as well continue to win without him. It was fun to let him try to play, even if many of us knew this could/would happen. Now that that's been done and failed, let's get back to winning.

Ryuu Mar 28, 2006 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf


O_O

What the hell was that!? Was that real? 'Cause I think that's a technical...lol.


Anyways. Rockets are 30-40. Something like 3-29 without McGrady. I think they're 5 and 1/2 behind Sacremento.

bishop743 Mar 29, 2006 01:36 PM

yo T-Wolf, sup with your boy: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2387812

Looks like the constant losing and disappointments are finally starting to get to him. Like I said earlier in this thread, KG is loyal as hell... but he wants to win too.

Timberwolf Mar 29, 2006 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryuu
O_O

What the hell was that!? Was that real? 'Cause I think that's a technical...lol.

Yeah, that's real. Bowen's dirty like that.


Quote:

Originally Posted by bishop743
yo T-Wolf, sup with your boy: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2387812

Looks like the constant losing and disappointments are finally starting to get to him. Like I said earlier in this thread, KG is loyal as hell... but he wants to win too.


KG is sick of losing. He wants to win, but he still wants to win in Minnesota if possible. He will only demand a trade if he feels that management isn't trying to get him the necessary pieces to compete for a championship.

The media has long been trying to get words out of KG, so they can write their stories.

One article I came across the other day interpreted KG's

Quote:

I've always said that I think I'm worth not only being listened to but I think I'm definitely in a position where I [should] have a team and ... a chance to win a ring. So I think, at the end of the day, they should at least give me that.
as him saying he deserves to be traded to a team that has a chance to win a ring.

I don't think that's what KG's saying.

bishop743 Mar 30, 2006 07:56 AM

Maybe, maybe not. I hope he does stay in Minnesota. It'd be great if he could finish his career there. But, at this rate, it's very hard to say whether that will come to fruition. KG, as well as AI, deserve to be on a contender. They've given their blood, sweat, tears and bodies to their respective teams. It might be time for a fresh start for each of them.

In other news, LeBron James added two more milestones to his resume last night in a dominating win over the Mavericks. He eclipsed Kobe Bryant to become the youngest player to reach 6,000 points. Also, with that win, the Cavs have clinched a playoff berth. Depending on how the seedings shake out, they might even get out of the first round. But, I don't see them going beyond that.

Timberwolf Mar 30, 2006 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
Maybe, maybe not. I hope he does stay in Minnesota. It'd be great if he could finish his career there. But, at this rate, it's very hard to say whether that will come to fruition. KG, as well as AI, deserve to be on a contender. They've given their blood, sweat, tears and bodies to their respective teams. It might be time for a fresh start for each of them.

KG does deserve a lot better than the team McHale has put out there. You feel bad for KG because brings it every year, and gives it his all. His stats are still brilliant, and he still leads the league in efficiency rating.

His field goal percentage is the highest it's ever been, and he will once again win the rebounding crown. His assists are down because the Timberwolves now lack spot up shooters (Wally, Hudson, Hoiberg, Cassell, Sprewell). When Garnett kicks the ball out during double-teams, players like Ricky Davis and Marcus Banks end up slashing or dribbling some more, and thus nullifying the assist.

And so, KG's streak of 20-10-5 will end this year. But still, averaging 20-10-5 for six straight years is amazing. No one in the history of the league has ever done that. Larry Bird was the closest at five straight. KG is in a league of his own.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bishop743
In other news, LeBron James added two more milestones to his resume last night in a dominating win over the Mavericks. He eclipsed Kobe Bryant to become the youngest player to reach 6,000 points. Also, with that win, the Cavs have clinched a playoff berth. Depending on how the seedings shake out, they might even get out of the first round. But, I don't see them going beyond that.

Cavaliers clinched a Playoff berth! I didn't realize it until I saw your post. That's great. It'll be fun to finally see Lebron James in the Playoffs, when it counts. I'd love to see how he handles the pressure and the stakes.



----

And I'm watching the Spurs-Lakers game right now. What will Bowen pull this time.

bishop743 Mar 31, 2006 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
KG does deserve a lot better than the team McHale has put out there. You feel bad for KG because brings it every year, and gives it his all. His stats are still brilliant, and he still leads the league in efficiency rating.

His field goal percentage is the highest it's ever been, and he will once again win the rebounding crown. His assists are down because the Timberwolves now lack spot up shooters (Wally, Hudson, Hoiberg, Cassell, Sprewell). When Garnett kicks the ball out during double-teams, players like Ricky Davis and Marcus Banks end up slashing or dribbling some more, and thus nullifying the assist.

And so, KG's streak of 20-10-5 will end this year. But still, averaging 20-10-5 for six straight years is amazing. No one in the history of the league has ever done that. Larry Bird was the closest at five straight. KG is in a league of his own.

KG's game is straight out of NBA Live. The guy can do things that players his size should not be able to do. He's the best all-around player in the game. There really isn't a single weak spot in his game. But, when it comes down to it, individual stats don't mean a whole lot in a team concept. It's about winning championships for him. He wants to win and be successful on a team level more than anything else. He made that clear during his MVP-wnning season a couple years back.

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Cavaliers clinched a Playoff berth! I didn't realize it until I saw your post. That's great. It'll be fun to finally see Lebron James in the Playoffs, when it counts. I'd love to see how he handles the pressure and the stakes.

Now that he has gotten his team into the playoffs, he is officially a franchise player now. He still has a long way to go to catch up to 'Melo though. 'Melo has been to the playoffs for 2 straight years in what was once a loaded Western Conference. It'll be good to see what LeBron can do when it's "Win or Go Home".

Timberwolf Mar 31, 2006 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
KG's game is straight out of NBA Live. The guy can do things that players his size should not be able to do. He's the best all-around player in the game. There really isn't a single weak spot in his game. But, when it comes down to it, individual stats don't mean a whole lot in a team concept. It's about winning championships for him. He wants to win and be successful on a team level more than anything else. He made that clear during his MVP-wnning season a couple years back.

Definitely, individual stats don't mean a thing to KG. He just wants to win.

But for fans like us, it's still great to be able to look at his numbers and appreciate the brilliance of his individual career. His play has been consistently brilliant, and brilliantly consistent. Eleven years of this, and he's not slowing down.


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Originally Posted by bishop743
Now that he has gotten his team into the playoffs, he is officially a franchise player now. He still has a long way to go to catch up to 'Melo though. 'Melo has been to the playoffs for 2 straight years in what was once a loaded Western Conference. It'll be good to see what LeBron can do when it's "Win or Go Home".

Melo had the benefit of being on better teams than Lebron in the two Nugget's Playoff appearances. Lebron's team is finally playing a lot better. And to think they're doing this without Larry Hughes.

The Cavaliers were SO close to making the Playoffs in each of the last two seasons. They were like one game out of a Playoff berth. Last year was especially disappointing because after a solid start, they collapsed the second half of the season. I'm glad that they made it this year.

nazpyro Apr 1, 2006 01:24 AM

Freaking Lakers. They're got victory on the Sonics. They need to start losing so that the Jazz and/or the Hornets can get in. Fucking Kobe.

Good to see the Cavs aka LeBron finally in the playoffs. Now we can see what he can do... maybe. Or perhaps it'll take another 2 years for him to start doing well in the playoffs.

Michael Redd out of THE Ohio State University has been on a tear lately. The Bucks are beasting out lately.

Timberwolf Apr 1, 2006 01:10 PM

The Lakers will likely finish .500, as I'm looking at their schedule. Three of their next four games are against quality opponents (Denver, Phoenix, LA Clips).

Then after two pushover opponents (Golden State, Portland), they finish the season with Phoenix and New Orleans/Oklahoma City.

It'll be a fight to the finish for those teams clustered around 7th to 10th place.


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What's up with New Jersey. Eleven straight wins.

What's up with Dallas. Three straight losses. They basically just played themselves out of battling the Spurs for that top seed.

Timberwolf Apr 2, 2006 04:11 PM

Okay, this is ridiculous:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2390599


(And no, this is not an April Fools thing. At least, I doubt it.)

bishop743 Apr 2, 2006 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Okay, this is ridiculous:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2390599


(And no, this is not an April Fools thing. At least, I doubt it.)

haha, this is funny as hell. What the fuck are they doing? I mean, some guys like Andrew Bogut and Samuel Dalembert have no business wearing them, but to bad them altogether is stupid. I know the leagaue is trying to change their image and what not but this is ridiculous. I hope it doesn't come to pass.

On another note, the Pistons came up HUGE today against the Suns. They were down by 17 at one point and came back to win the game. Chauncey Billups showed yet again why he's known as "Mr. Big Shot".

Timberwolf Apr 3, 2006 12:19 PM

Big win for the Pistons. Chauncey was terrific. Will those MVP whispers start up again.

I'm still buggin' out over Lebron James' 47 points, 12 rebounds, 10 assists, 2 steals performance in that win over the Heat. He took only 25 shots, compared to Wade's 36, which was Wade's career-high in shot attempts.

Lebron James is just incredible. He's so strong and so athletic. When he dunks, his head is rim-level. That kind of elevation is sick. It almost looks like he is floating, as he is often still rising when he stuffs the ball through.


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Okay, this is funny.

http://www.filelodge.com/files/room1...ndremiller.gif

One. Two. Three. The Fourth one got him.

bishop743 Apr 3, 2006 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
I'm still buggin' out over Lebron James' 47 points, 12 rebounds, 10 assists, 2 steals performance in that win over the Heat. He took only 25 shots, compared to Wade's 36, which was Wade's career-high in shot attempts.

Lebron James is just incredible. He's so strong and so athletic. When he dunks, his head is rim-level. That kind of elevation is sick. It almost looks like he is floating, as he is often still rising when he stuffs the ball through.

LeBron James is amazing me with what he's doing at such a young age. Just thinking about how better he'll be down the road scares me. He isn't even anywhere near this prime yet.

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Okay, this is funny.

http://www.filelodge.com/files/room1...ndremiller.gif

One. Two. Three. The Fourth one got him.

LOL! I got 4 words for you: HIL-A-RI-OUS!! Oh man, that is classic.

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wtf @ the Nets! They totally dismantled the Heat yesterday for their 12th straight win. I was thinking that the Eastern Conference was just a 2-team race, but it looks like I was wrong.

Lastly, both Charles Barkley and Dominique Wilkins will be inducted into the Hall of Fame. I'm really glad to hear this. Both were exceptional players during their time. Yeah, neither of them won any championships, but they each brought and contributed a great deal to the game. Congrats to both of them.

Ryuu Apr 3, 2006 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Okay, this is funny.

http://www.filelodge.com/files/room1...ndremiller.gif

One. Two. Three. The Fourth one got him.

Dude, LMAO.



Anyways, some news:

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Originally Posted by ESPN.com
Former NBA stars Charles Barkley, Joe Dumars and Dominique Wilkins, University of Connecticut Women's Coach Geno Auriemma, former Big East Commissioner David Gavitt and Italian National Team Coach Sandro Gamba were elected to the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame on Monday.

So yeah, congrats to them...when is Jordan eligible for the HOF?

Timberwolf Apr 3, 2006 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
LOL! I got 4 words for you: HIL-A-RI-OUS!! Oh man, that is classic.

I like how Korver could barely get up.

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Originally Posted by bishop743
wtf @ the Nets! They totally dismantled the Heat yesterday for their 12th straight win. I was thinking that the Eastern Conference was just a 2-team race, but it looks like I was wrong.

Every year, the Nets seem to always have that one great run of consecutive wins. Then they cool off. They won't get past the second round of the Playoffs.


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Originally Posted by bishop743
Lastly, both Charles Barkley and Dominique Wilkins will be inducted into the Hall of Fame. I'm really glad to hear this. Both were exceptional players during their time. Yeah, neither of them won any championships, but they each brought and contributed a great deal to the game. Congrats to both of them.

'Nique!! Finally. I still can't believe he was left off that 50 Greatest Players of All-Time list.





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Originally Posted by Ryuu
So yeah, congrats to them...when is Jordan eligible for the HOF?

A player needs to be retired for a full five years before being eligible for the HoF. Then in that sixth year of retirement, he can be inducted.

So for Mike, the earliest is 2009.

bishop743 Apr 3, 2006 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
I like how Korver could barely get up.

lol yeah. Iverson nearly jumped out of the damn building.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Every year, the Nets seem to always have that one great run of consecutive wins. Then they cool off. They won't get past the second round of the Playoffs.

Yeah, that's a good point. They did the same thing last year and lost in the first round to the Heat. So, I doubt they'll go far at all in the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
'Nique!! Finally. I still can't believe he was left off that 50 Greatest Players of All-Time list.

Yeah man, that was highway robbery. He deserved to be on that list. I'm glad to see he wasn't looked over this time around though.

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Joe Dumars made it too!? Niiiiiiiiiiiice! Man, back in the "Bad Boys" days, he was one of the most ferocious defenders during that period. He's won championships as both a player and as the Head of Basketball Operations for the Pistons. Greatly deserved honor for him.

.... and I think it's safe to say that MJ is locked to be a first-ballot Hall of Famer.

nazpyro Apr 3, 2006 02:29 PM

http://www.filelodge.com/files/room1...ndremiller.gif

Holy crap, that's funny. Haha.

I've been out of the basketball loop for the last 4 days. It's time for me to get back up to date.

What do you mean "Korver couldn't get up"? Were they laughing their asses off or something too? That would be hilarious.

Timberwolf Apr 3, 2006 02:34 PM

Joe Dumars too eh -- nice. I remember MJ always saying how Dumars guarded him really well.


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What do you mean "Korver couldn't get up"? Were they laughing their asses off or something too? That would be hilarious.

I meant he barely jumped high enough to attempt that block.

Timberwolf Apr 5, 2006 12:41 AM

Oh, Melo essentially cost the Nuggets the game by punching the ball into the stands out of frustration -- after he was fouled, and was going to the line for two freethrows with the Nuggets down by two with 1:11 left in the game.

Clutch. Yes.

Child. Yes.

nazpyro Apr 5, 2006 12:50 AM

Melo... meh.

I just realized how many games were on tonight. I guess a little break to end March Madness. Holy crap the New Jersey Nets are on a freaking tear. 13 in a row. Ridiculousness.

Timberwolf Apr 5, 2006 09:27 AM

Damn, New Jersey. They even clinched the Atlantic Division.

The rest of their schedule is relatively easy, too, with their toughest opponent being Cleveland.

bishop743 Apr 5, 2006 05:08 PM

Both the Nets and Cavs have been tearing it up lately. It'd be cool if they both had their streaks going when they meet up. The Cavs completely crushed the Sixers the other night.

Speaking of the Sixers, they have a big game tonight against the Bulls. It's a dogfight between those two teams for that 8th and final playoff spot. I think the Bulls might find a way to pull this game out and inevitably get that 8th spot. You wanna talk about money, clutch fourth quarter players, there isn't a better one right now than Ben Gordon. Outside of Carmelo maybe, Gordon has been playing the best ball in the 4th quarter.

Timberwolf Apr 5, 2006 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
Speaking of the Sixers, they have a big game tonight against the Bulls. It's a dogfight between those two teams for that 8th and final playoff spot. I think the Bulls might find a way to pull this game out and inevitably get that 8th spot. You wanna talk about money, clutch fourth quarter players, there isn't a better one right now than Ben Gordon. Outside of Carmelo maybe, Gordon has been playing the best ball in the 4th quarter.

The Bulls now have that eighth seed, after beating the Sixers. Sixers will have their work cut out for them if they want to make the Playoffs.

Dammit, Atlanta beat the Timberwolves at the buzzer. It looked like the Timberwolves were expecting a timeout, but the Hawks just inbounded and outlet the ball, and drove all the way to the bucket.

Hornets win on OT. Here's the line on Chris Paul: 17 points, 11 rebounds, 16 assists, 6 steals.

Give him the ROY trophy right now.

bishop743 Apr 6, 2006 08:09 AM

The Bulls should end up with the 8th seed now. The Sixers have been playing horrible basketball for the last month or so. I think they've lost 12 of their last 16 games or something like that. Whether they make playoffs or not, they'll need to make some drastic changes to that team for next year if they want to be competitive.

They could have probably given Chris Paul ROY after one month into the season. I've heard some people talking about him being a dark horse MVP candidate. While I think that is a bit far-fetched, that still doesn't take away the fact that he is having a spectacular season.

Timberwolf Apr 6, 2006 10:18 PM

Yeah, Chris Paul for MVP might be stretching it a bit. But he's been extremely valuable to his team, and is a big reason why the Hornets are successful this year.


I am watching the Lakers-Nuggets game. Melo versus Kobe.


EDIT EDIT EDIT:

Melo is sick. Can someone send him a get-well card.

bishop743 Apr 7, 2006 08:36 AM

The Heat lost to the Pistons in South Beach last night. Miami now has a record of 18-20 against teams with a .500 record or better. They really need to improve on that if they plan on contending for a championship. The way the Nets are playing right now, I'm tempted to put them over the Heat right now. Plus, the Nets are within striking distance of overtaking Miami in the standings.

And Melo... ::sigh: damn, a get-well card ain't gonna help him. Not even chicken soup or bed rest could cure this sickness. So, I think he's gonna be sick for a looooooooooong time.

Timberwolf Apr 8, 2006 01:47 PM

Quote of the week: Andrei Kirilenko, on making the Playoffs this year.

Quote:

We don't have a good chance, it's a bad chance. But we have a chance, which is good. We have to win a lot of games.

nazpyro Apr 8, 2006 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Quote of the week: Andrei Kirilenko, on making the Playoffs this year.

Andrei Kirilenko speaking english is hilarious. I remember earlier in the season when he got injured, he said something along the lines of, "It feels not good. It feels bad. I don't like feeling bad. That's not good."

Some other hilarious quotes when he got that 5x5 this year.

bishop743 Apr 8, 2006 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Quote of the week: Andrei Kirilenko, on making the Playoffs this year.

All I can say to that is "LOLWTF!?"

The Nets winning streak ends today at 14 (which ties their franchise record). They lost to the Cavs 108-102. Both of those teams have been showing me a lot over the last month or so. They should have a lot of momentum going into the playoffs. Whether that translates into postseason success remains to be seen. It's still the Pistons, Heat... and everybody else when it comes to the East, but they are closing the gap.

Timberwolf Apr 8, 2006 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nazpyro
I remember earlier in the season when he got injured, he said something along the lines of, "It feels not good. It feels bad. I don't like feeling bad. That's not good."

Ahahaha, that's gold.


Oh yeah! New Jersey's winning streak just got snapped. Way to go, Lebron: 37 points, with 18 of those in the final quarter.

Did anyone see the Lakers-Suns game last night? I went to bed early, because I was exhausted from having just an hour of sleep the night before. Did Kobe hit 50 again.

bishop743 Apr 8, 2006 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Did anyone see the Lakers-Suns game last night? I went to bed early, because I was exhausted from having just an hour of sleep the night before. Did Kobe hit 50 again.

Yep, 51 this time... and they still lost. ahahaha! GOTTA. LOVE. IT!

Timberwolf Apr 8, 2006 03:48 PM

I'm looking at the boxscores now. Wow, Kobe regularly takes more than 30 shots a game. He jacked up 33 shots last night.

To compare, Kevin Garnett has only taken 33 shots once in his entire career.

Oh, Kobe Bryant needs two more technicals this season to receive an automatic suspension. He has 14 on the season now.

nazpyro Apr 8, 2006 04:01 PM

Speaking of technicals, Sheed got of his suspension for getting his sixteenth technical too. An awful performance, but what's to note here is that he's gonna have a career low for technicals in a season. With only a few more weeks left, he can't possibly outdo it, with the enusing suspensions following each.

Kobe needs to get injured. Oh wait, they're losing with im doing well. Nevermind. Keep losing.

Timberwolf Apr 8, 2006 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by nazpyro
With only a few more weeks left, he can't possibly outdo it, with the enusing suspensions following each.

It's one suspension for every additional two techs, if I remember correctly.

'Sheed has been a relatively good citizen ever since he went to Detroit.

bishop743 Apr 8, 2006 04:20 PM

Guys like Kobe and AI are scorers. They'll jack up as many shots as possible regarldess of the situation, how many defenders are on them or even if they have open teammates sometimes. KG is a shooter. He doesn't take as many shots, but 90% of his shots are quality ones. For a scorer, it's all about FGAs... for a shooter, it's about FG %. That's how I think about it.

nazpyro Apr 8, 2006 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bishop743
Guys like Kobe and AI are scorers. They'll jack up as many shots as possible regarldess of the situation, how many defenders are on them or even if they have open teammates sometimes. KG is a shooter. He doesn't take as many shots, but 90% of his shots are quality ones. For a scorer, it's all about FGAs... for a shooter, it's about FG %. That's how I think about it.

Haha, what it comes down to is what their supserstar abilities in NBA Live 06 are. :p The New York Knickerbockers are a team of scorers. FAIL.

Oh yeah, it's a suspension for every two. I forgot.

bishop743 Apr 8, 2006 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by nazpyro
Haha, what it comes down to is what their supserstar abilities in NBA Live 06 are. :p The New York Knickerbockers are a team of scorers. FAIL.

umm... I'm not sure what you mean heh. :P Are you saying if a team has just a scorer, it can't be successful? AI took his team to the Finals a few years back when he was the only REAL scoring threat Phily had. So yeah, what exactly do you mean? Or were you just joking?

Timberwolf Apr 8, 2006 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bishop743
Guys like Kobe and AI are scorers. They'll jack up as many shots as possible regarldess of the situation, how many defenders are on them or even if they have open teammates sometimes. KG is a shooter. He doesn't take as many shots, but 90% of his shots are quality ones. For a scorer, it's all about FGAs... for a shooter, it's about FG %. That's how I think about it.

At some point, the best type you can be is not a "scorer" or a "shooter" -- but simply a basketball player.

If a player is double or triple-teamed, the logical basketball move/deicison is to pass the ball. Kevin Garnett does that. He is a basketball player.

Lebron James is a basketball player. Steve Nash is a basketball player.

Kobe is a one-man team.

The difference between Kobe and Iverson is that Kobe takes needlessly difficult shots, with people draped all over him. Most of Iverson's shots are either drives or open jumpshots that he earns by shaking people. AI attempts a lot shots, but at least he's usually open.

bishop743 Apr 8, 2006 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
At some point, the best type you can be is not a "scorer" or a "shooter" -- but simply a basketball player.

If a player is double or triple-teamed, the logical basketball move/deicison is to pass the ball. Kevin Garnett does that. He is a basketball player.

Lebron James is a basketball player. Steve Nash is a basketball player.

Kobe is a one-man team.

The difference between Kobe and Iverson is that Kobe takes needlessly difficult shots, with people draped all over him. Most of Iverson's shots are either drives or open jumpshots that he earns by shaking people. AI attempts a lot shots, but at least he's usually open.

Nah man, you got what I was saying all wrong. Calling someone a "basketball player" really has nothing to do with how they shoot the ball. People call them that because they don't fit at one specific position. KG can play several positions seamlessly, hence why he is a basketball player. Same thing with LeBron. He can play SG, SF, PG. Being a "basketball player" means you are versatile and can wear more than one hat. Steve Nash doesn't really fit that mold to me, so I don't know if I'd call him a "basketball player", per say. He's a PG, always had been.

AI and Kobe are different in the sense that, yeah, AI tries to involve his teammates more, but that's not what I was saying. Just because AI can break a double team, or shake a defender up to get a shot, doesn't always mean it's a "good shot". When two, three people are coming at you, you know what that means, there is someone on your team open. :P

If you're talking about being an all-around great player, knowing the fundamentals and such, then yeah guys like Steve Nash, Tim Duncan and others are definitely in that mix. But you won't see Nash playing PF, and you won't see Duncan playing SG or PG. That's what a "basketball player" is. That intells way more than just shooting or scoring.

Basically what I'm saying is that being a basketball player or a shooter/scorer are two different things.

Timberwolf Apr 8, 2006 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
Nah man, you got what I was saying all wrong. Calling someone a "basketball player" really has nothing to do with how they shoot the ball. People call them that because they don't fit at one specific position. KG can play several positions seamlessly, hence why he is a basketball player. Same thing with LeBron. He can play SG, SF, PG. Being a "basketball player" means you are versatile and can wear more than one hat. Steve Nash doesn't really fit that mold to me, so I don't know if I'd call him a "basketball player", per say. He's a PG, always had been.

AI and Kobe are different in the sense that, yeah, AI tries to involve his teammates more, but that's not what I was saying. Just because AI can break a double team, or shake a defender up to get a shot, doesn't always mean it's a "good shot". When two, three people are coming at you, you know what that means, there is someone on your team open. :P

If you're talking about being an all-around great player, knowing the fundamentals and such, then yeah guys like Steve Nash, Tim Duncan and others are definitely in that mix. But you won't see Nash playing PF, and you won't see Duncan playing SG or PG. That's what a "basketball player" is. That intells way more than just shooting or scoring.

Basically what I'm saying is that being a basketball player or a shooter/scorer are two different things.

Ah I see. But I wasn't disagreeing with what you were saying. I was just throwing my two cents in there regarding the subject, and taking shots at Kobe :p. What I was trying to say with the "basketball player" thing, is that players like KG, Lebron, and Nash make sound basketball decisions. Not necessarily about being versatile or all-around players.

But I think I know what you mean now :) Yeah, in that case, you're right: Being a "basketball player" has nothing to do with a player's being in a category of shooter/scorer.

bishop743 Apr 8, 2006 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Ah I see. But I wasn't disagreeing with what you were saying. I was just throwing my two cents in there regarding the subject, and taking shots at Kobe :p. What I was trying to say with the "basketball player" thing, is that players like KG, Lebron, and Nash make sound basketball decisions. Not necessarily about being versatile or all-around players.

But I think I know what you mean now :) Yeah, in that case, you're right: Being a "basketball player" has nothing to do with a player's being in a category of shooter/scorer.

Ah! I get what you're saying now as well. And yeah, anytime I can get a shot in on Kobe, I take it too! :D Watching him get his points and his team still lose is priceless.... classic, even!

Timberwolf Apr 8, 2006 06:42 PM

So the Sixers and the Bulls play again tonight.

Philly really needs this one. If they lose tonight, they lose the season series 1-3 to Chicago, and thus lose the head-to-head tie-breaker.

But Chicago has won four straight games, while Philly has lost three straight.

bishop743 Apr 8, 2006 06:59 PM

Yeah, like I said earlier, I think the Bulls will get that final spot. Even if the Sixers win tonight, it's gonna be tough for them overtake Chicago. Sucks though, 'cause the NBA needs it's stars in the playoffs. But, on the other hand, it'll give the world a change to get a closer look at the young, up and coming stars on that Bulls team. Guys like Kirk Hinrich, Ben Gordon, Chris Duhon and Luol Deng deserve some more exposure.

Timberwolf Apr 10, 2006 02:50 PM

The Sixers ended up winning that game. Both teams now have identical records, with the Bull holding the tie-breaker.

Looking at the standings, the Pacers have dropped two straight, and the Bucks have dropped four straight. The Sixers may have a decent shot after all.

San Antonio and Dallas are still in that fight for the first spot. The Spurs just narrowed beat the Grizzlies last night to avoid their third straight loss.

New Jersey is trying to catch Miami to grab that number 2 seed. I don't think they'll do it.

bishop743 Apr 11, 2006 07:32 AM

Philly has manned up in their last 2 games. They blew out Chicago in a must-win situation and defeated the Wizards. At this point, it looks like the Sixers will make it in. The Bucks are falling.. fast! So, Chicago will have to hope that Milwaukee keeps losing so they can wind up with that 8th spot.

The seeding format the NBA has right now sucks. Dallas is just a half game back of San Antonio for the best record in the West. Whoever doesn't get that top spot automatically gets the 4th seed. That would mean that the Mavs and Spurs would meet in the 2nd round of the playoffs. That does not make sense at all. I know the divisional leaders should get rewarded but it's just weird.

LeBron James hit his second game-winning shot last night. This time against the New Orleans Hornets. Right now, for me, the road to MVP is a 3-man race between LeBron, Kobe and Nash. It's gonna be interesting to see who wins out. All 3 have had incredible seasons.

The Pistsons are 62-15 as of this post. They have 5 games remaining. If they win out, which I don't think they will, they'll finish the season 67-15. Seeing how good this team is goes to show, not only how tough it is to win 70 games, but also shows how amazing that 95-96 Bulls team was. I think it'll be quite sometime before we see a team like that again.

Timberwolf Apr 11, 2006 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bishop743
Philly has manned up in their last 2 games. They blew out Chicago in a must-win situation and defeated the Wizards. At this point, it looks like the Sixers will make it in. The Bucks are falling.. fast! So, Chicago will have to hope that Milwaukee keeps losing so they can wind up with that 8th spot.

Yeah, Bucks are fading fast. I hope the Sixers make it. They're still at ninth place right now, and they next two games are against the Nets and the Heat.

They have their work cut out for them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bishop743
The seeding format the NBA has right now sucks. Dallas is just a half game back of San Antonio for the best record in the West. Whoever doesn't get that top spot automatically gets the 4th seed. That would mean that the Mavs and Spurs would meet in the 2nd round of the playoffs. That does not make sense at all. I know the divisional leaders should get rewarded but it's just weird.

Yeah, the format is a bit weird. Denver's record isn't that good to deserve the third seed. And it'd be strange to see a Dalls-San Antonio matchup on the second round. The West Finals may be anti-climactic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bishop743
LeBron James hit his second game-winning shot last night. This time against the New Orleans Hornets. Right now, for me, the road to MVP is a 3-man race between LeBron, Kobe and Nash. It's gonna be interesting to see who wins out. All 3 have had incredible seasons.

Second gamewinner -- nice. It's a tough pick for MVP. Lebron stuffs the stat sheet every night with 32-7-7. That is incredible.

Steve Nash, considering the fact that the Suns don't have Amare, Nash has elevated his own play even more, and made Marion so good.

Then there's Kobe. I'm watching the Warriors-Lakers game right now, and Kobe has 30 points. ...It's halftime.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bishop743
The Pistsons are 62-15 as of this post. They have 5 games remaining. If they win out, which I don't think they will, they'll finish the season 67-15. Seeing how good this team is goes to show, not only how tough it is to win 70 games, but also shows how amazing that 95-96 Bulls team was. I think it'll be quite sometime before we see a team like that again.

I'm looking at the Pistons last few games, and I don't think it's a stretch to say they can win out: Cleveland, Toronto, New York, Milwaukee, Washington. It's very possible they can finish 67-15. Which, yeah, is still a far cry from the '95'96 Bulls.

That Bulls team just stampeded over the league. But that team, surprisingly, did lose two straight games at one point in the season. No NBA team has ever finished a season without losing consecutive games.

Timberwolf Apr 12, 2006 11:34 PM

Ha, Allen Iverson scored 40 points in a crucial blow-out win over the Nets.

The Sixers are fighting for this.

bishop743 Apr 13, 2006 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Ha, Allen Iverson scored 40 points in a crucial blow-out win over the Nets.

The Sixers are fighting for this.

Yeah, and 10 dimes to go along with those 40 points. Chris Webber has been playing pretty well during this stretch run too. They have a tough game next against the Heat, if they win that game, they're in.

The Cavs got hammered by the Pistons yesterday. LeBron got hurt with a sprained ankle but it doesn't look serious at all. LeBron is having a sick season. He's now among a select few players to average 30+ points, 7+ rebounds and 6+ assists in one season. That short list includes Michael Jordan, as well as Oscar Robertson, who did it an astonishing 5 times!

The Mavs took a huge hit in their bid to take over the Spurs for that #1 spot. They lost to the Warriors last night. Now, they back 1 and a games behind San Antonio. The Spurs have a slightly easier schedule down the stretch, so I think they'll end up being the #1 seed.

Timberwolf Apr 14, 2006 09:18 PM

Toronto just beat Detroit. Really.

Mike James scored a career-high 39 points, and is averaging 20.1 points for the season.

Sixers got pounded by the Heat tonight.

And these are cool:

http://www.nba.com/media/cavaliers/L...400_060412.jpghttp://www.nba.com/media/JamesMourning400.jpg

bishop743 Apr 14, 2006 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Sixers got pounded by the Heat tonight.

It looks like the Bulls are going to beat the Wizards, so Philly will not make the playoffs.

EDIT:

Yep, Bulls win. Ben Gordon was ON from long range tonight. He tied an NBA record for most 3-pointers without a miss, going 9-9 from beyond the arc.


Now THAT'S levitation, holmes!

Alonzo Mourning has been on the receiving end of some pretty nasty dunks this season. The one by Vince Carter earlier this season is the most noteable one.

nazpyro Apr 14, 2006 10:18 PM

Yeah. OH MA GOODNESS. This is some great NBA action with the season nearing the end. I'm loving it. I caught the end of my Wizards getting pwnd by BEN~ GOR~DON~. Saw the finale of the Hornets/Jazz game too. Fun stuff.

Sure Zo has been getting trounced by dunks, but at least he's trying to stop the dunks, and does most of the time anyway. Most just step out of the way. :/ But yeah, Zo is definitely the most posterized.. but mad respect is due.

Edit: Ugh, my Wizards are seventh seeded now. Might as well go for eighth so we get Detroit. Pistons don't stand a chance against the Wiz. ._.

bishop743 Apr 15, 2006 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by a_naz
Sure Zo has been getting trounced by dunks, but at least he's trying to stop the dunks, and does most of the time anyway. Most just step out of the way. :/ But yeah, Zo is definitely the most posterized.. but mad respect is due.

Oh, I definitely agree with that. I wasn't saying I didn't respect him. That's why he gets dunked on so much because he goes up for every ball. 8 times out of 10 he sends it into the cheap seats. Back before his kidney ailment, he was a defensive, shot blocking machine.

Timberwolf Apr 15, 2006 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
It looks like the Bulls are going to beat the Wizards, so Philly will not make the playoffs.

EDIT:

Yep, Bulls win. Ben Gordon was ON from long range tonight. He tied an NBA record for most 3-pointers without a miss, going 9-9 from beyond the arc.

Wow, that's impressive. 9-9 is amazing. An NBA record he shares with ... Latrell Sprewell.

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Originally Posted by bishop743
Alonzo Mourning has been on the receiving end of some pretty nasty dunks this season.

Yeah, shotblockers tend to get dunk on a lot. There's always that risk.

I think everyone's climbed Mt. Mutombo at some point.


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Originally Posted by bishop743
The one by Vince Carter earlier this season is the most noteable one.

http://www.filelodge.com/files/room1...a-DunkOnZo.gif

bishop743 Apr 15, 2006 11:19 AM

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haha! I just knew you'd come through with a pic of it. :D ::saves::

nazpyro Apr 15, 2006 12:13 PM

Awesome. Vinsanity is vicious.

Dang, if he were to get at least 30 points in these last few season games, he would've hit a 25ppg for the season. Instead, he came out with a 21 and 15-point performance. With 3 games left, he'll need what, at least 35 ppg for the rest. A stretch, but still possible with Philly, NY, and Boston left. Then again, he could just rest...

Timberwolf Apr 16, 2006 10:05 AM

Dwight Howard ... 28 points, 26 rebounds in a win over the Sixers, whose Playoff hopes are sinking fast.

I like how teams seeded 5 through 8 in the East right now are all sub .500.

nazpyro Apr 16, 2006 11:41 AM

Yeah man. It's very, very possible the Magic could end up becoming the 5th seed this week. It's crazy because I most definitely thought a couple of months ago they were just gonna throw this season and hope for a high draft pick. I think they have a protected first round pick this season, not sure which one though. All good though, D-How and the Jameeracle on 54th are beasting out.

bishop743 Apr 16, 2006 08:48 PM

With the Bulls winning tonight over the Heat, both the Sixers and Magic have been eliminated from playoff contention.

On another note, I have to say that I like those old-school Miami Floridian ABA unis the Heat have worn a couple times this year. They're pretty tight.

nazpyro Apr 19, 2006 06:33 PM

Last day of the regular season. The playoff teams are set. It's been a good year.

My fantasy league is going down to the wire with a 3-way contention for second place. It's cra~zy. I hate how all of my "stars" are resting. :/

bishop743 Apr 20, 2006 09:07 AM

The regular season is done and Sat. is the start of the 2nd season. There are some very intrguing matchups in both the West and the East. Here is how the bracket looks:

EASTERN CONFERENCE

(1) Detroit
(8) Milwaukee

(4) Cleveland
(5) Washington

(3) New Jersey
(6) Indiana

(2) Miami
(7) Chicago


WESTERN CONFERENCE

(1) San Antonio
(8) Sacramento

(4) Dallas
(5) Memphis

(3) Denver
(6) LA Clippers

(2) Phoenix
(7) LA Lakers

In the East, the Cleveland-Washington and New Jersey-Indiana matchups are going to be very interesting. I think both lower seeds in both series have a shot at winning, especially Indiana. Peja is finally starting to find his niche and Jermaine O' Neal is playing a lot better after missing 2 months because on injuries. The Pistons and Heat should make short work of their opponents. Chicago may get one game, but the Bucks should get swept.

In the West, I think all the higher seeds should be a bit worried, EVEN San Antonio. The Kings, since aquiring Artest, have been playing excellent basketball. I think the Spurs will come out the victors, but it could go the distance. The Mavericks-Grizzles series should be entertaining also and could go the 7 games. Dallas will come out on top though. The other two matchups, though, are a crapshoot for me. I have no idea who I should pick. The Suns are a poor defensive team, so Kobe Bryant will definitely get his points. I'm leaning a bit with the Lakers because, even though Phoenix has played well without Amare all year, his absence will be felt much more in the playoffs. Since the games are played a lot slower, not having a dominant post player like him will hurt them a great deal. As far as Denver-LA Clippers gpes, I don't know who to pick. I'm picking Denver though because I think Carmelo will have a great series.

Timberwolf Apr 20, 2006 11:20 PM

I'm amped for the Playoffs, even though I'm upset that there's no Iverson or Garnett to root for. What a waste to not have them showcasing their talent.

But all eyes on Lebron.

Here are my predictions for the first round:


Pistons (1) vs. Bucks (8): Pistons in four
Cavaliers (4) vs. Wizards (5): Cavaliers in six
Nets (3) vs. Pacers (6): Nets in six
Heat (2) vs. Bulls (7): Heat in five


Spurs (1) vs. Kings (8): Spurs in six
Mavericks (4) vs. Grizzlies (5): Mavericks in five
Nuggets (3) vs. Clippers (6): Nuggets in seven
Suns (2) vs. Lakers (7): Lakers in seven

nazpyro Apr 21, 2006 01:37 AM

Predictions, eh...

Well for first round:

Pistons over Bucks in 4. My Wizards, who have a better record against the Cavs, which I'll abuse, over the Cavs in 5. Nets and Pacers will be difficult, but I'll choose the Nets for fun in 6. And Heat over Bulls in 5.

Spurs over Kings in a fun 7-game war. The Mavs in another fun one to 6. The Nuggest over the Clippy Clips in yet another fun one in 7 also. And the Suns hose the Lakers in 2... (ok, 4).

Second round.... Wizards over Pistons as I abuse the season record again, in 5. The Heat over the Nets in 6.

West side: the Spurs over the Nuggets in 5, and the Mavs over the Suns in a fun one in 6.

Next: Heat over the Wizards in an unnecessarily long 7-game series, and the Mavs over the Spurs in 7 for no reason.

Finally, the Mavs over the Heat in 7... completing one of the longest NBA playoffs EVER. :p Greatest misjudgment call, ever.

Timberwolf Apr 21, 2006 07:44 AM

Haha, I usually just predict one round at a time. It's less messy that way.

Wait a second, Wizards over Pistons in five for Round 2?

nazpyro Apr 21, 2006 10:52 AM

:p

Yeah man, the only East team to sweep the Pistons this season, ignoring everything else...

bishop743 Apr 21, 2006 12:33 PM

Regular seasons wins and losses don't really have much merit come playoff time. That Washington sweep (3 games) took place during an 82-game season. The last win, on Apr. 19th, was a game in which hardly any of the Piston starters played at all... so you can't really count that one. Winning 3 games over an 82-game span is a lot different than beating a team 4 times in 7 days. Wizards definitely have a shot at beating Cleveland though, esepcially if LeBron is still favoring that ankle.

Speaking of Iverson, I really think Philly is finally going to start shopping him around during the offseason. With this whole Fan Appreciation fiasco now, I think it's time for him to move on. Before, even when they weren't a very good team, AI alone would continue to fill seats. That's not the case anymore. I want him to move on and get a shot at winning a championship. Out of respect for you though Timberwolf, I won't get into KG. :p

nazpyro Apr 21, 2006 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
Regular seasons wins and losses don't really have much merit come playoff time. That Washington sweep (3 games) took place during an 82-game season. The last win, on Apr. 19th, was a game in which hardly any of the Piston starters played at all... so you can't really count that one. Winning 3 games over an 82-game span is a lot different than beating a team 4 times in 7 days. Wizards definitely have a shot at beating Cleveland though, esepcially if LeBron is still favoring that ankle.

"IGNORING EVERYTHING ELSE..." :p

Meh, a Yahoo! Sports headline: 76ers could face uncertain future without Iverson or Webber

The Knicks will take AI. They could always use a twelfth point guard.

Timberwolf Apr 22, 2006 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
Regular seasons wins and losses don't really have much merit come playoff time. That Washington sweep (3 games) took place during an 82-game season. The last win, on Apr. 19th, was a game in which hardly any of the Piston starters played at all... so you can't really count that one. Winning 3 games over an 82-game span is a lot different than beating a team 4 times in 7 days. Wizards definitely have a shot at beating Cleveland though, esepcially if LeBron is still favoring that ankle.

Speaking of Iverson, I really think Philly is finally going to start shopping him around during the offseason. With this whole Fan Appreciation fiasco now, I think it's time for him to move on. Before, even when they weren't a very good team, AI alone would continue to fill seats. That's not the case anymore. I want him to move on and get a shot at winning a championship. Out of respect for you though Timberwolf, I won't get into KG. :p

Very true, regular season doesn't mean anything. It only gives you some confidence going into the series.

Wow, the whole Fan Appreciation Night fiasco... I don't understand why AI would come 7 minutes after tipoff. That isn't right. AI has shown more maturity in recent years, but he takes a step back with this one.

Haha thanks. But naw, don't worry, you can talk about KG being traded. It's a possibility. I'm a Kevin Garnett fan before I am a Minnesota Timberwolves fan. So if KG ultimately ends up being traded, whichever team he lands on will instantly be the team I root for.

But the latest reports out of Minnesota say that McHale is staying, and suggest that Kevin Garnett is not going anywhere.

Double Post:
So Lebron James had a spectacular Playoff debut in a Game 1 win over the Wizards: 32 points, 11 assists, 10 rebounds. (Um, the boxscore says 11 rebounds, but the arena statistician registered 10 at the time).

Beast.

bishop743 Apr 22, 2006 09:12 PM

Yeah, LeBron had an amazing playoff debut. He always seems to rise to the ocassion. Both of tonight's games so far have been blowouts. San Antonio completely dismantled the Kings. However, the Bulls are hanging tough with the Heat. As I write this post, they are up by 2 with about 7 min left.

Timberwolf Apr 23, 2006 11:29 AM

Good game between the Clippers and the Nuggets. Melo had two chances to tie or win the game, but came up empty.

I think this is going to be a fun series to watch.

bishop743 Apr 23, 2006 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Good game between the Clippers and the Nuggets. Melo had two chances to tie or win the game, but came up empty.

I think this is going to be a fun series to watch.

Yeah, Melo not cashing in on one of those opportunities was very uncharacteristic of him. Given the chance again though, I think he'll make good on it.

D-Wade simply went off in the 4th quarter in Game 1 against the Bulls. For 3 quarters, Chicago pretty much had him in check, then he just exploded and took the game over. The Bulls made mistakes down the stretch that cost them the game but that's to be expected from a young team. Should be an interesting series.

Timberwolf Apr 23, 2006 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
D-Wade simply went off in the 4th quarter in Game 1 against the Bulls. For 3 quarters, Chicago pretty much had him in check, then he just exploded and took the game over. The Bulls made mistakes down the stretch that cost them the game but that's to be expected from a young team. Should be an interesting series.

Shaq had a nice game, too: 27 points, 16 rebounds, 1 assist, 5 blocks, 2 steals.


So, I guess everyone's watching Game 1 of the Suns-Lakers series. Kwame has been playing solid as of late.

nazpyro Apr 23, 2006 03:40 PM

I'm watching. ;_;

I really shouldn't be. It's a huge distraction, not to mention spending time here. BUT I CAN'T RESIST. I love this game.

I watched that Wizards game a little bit during the meet. Lebron was sick. I may have to say Wizards in 6 now instead of the originally stated 5... :p

Timberwolf Apr 23, 2006 03:48 PM

The Nets are the first home team to losing Game 1. Kind of a controversial finish there, with the foul call that really shouldn't have been called.

Double Post:
I hate to say it, but Kobe got robbed. With 22 seconds to go, he was hacked and fouled across his face, and should've been at the line to cut the deficit to two.

bishop743 Apr 23, 2006 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Double Post:
I hate to say it, but Kobe got robbed. With 22 seconds to go, he was hacked and fouled across his face, and should've been at the line to cut the deficit to two.

heh, I got two words for you: OH WELL! :P

Yeah, like I said earlier, even though the Pacers are the lower seed I really think they have a shot at taking out the Nets. They're finally back to full strength now and their chemistry is starting to mesh well.

Kobe didn't have one of his normal explosive-ball hog-40+points games tonight. Even so, the Lakers were still in the game late. Before the series is said and done though, I wouldn't be suprised if he cracked 50 more than once.

mmm mmmm mmmm, Detroit simply toyed around with the Bucks. Milwaukee had cut the lead to 4 in the 4th quarter, then the Pistons just went and reeled off 11 unanswered points. However, in that fourth quarter, Rip Hamilton injured ankle. He tried to stay in but the pain was too great, I guess. I hope it's nothing serious, because if it is, Detroit will be in some major trouble.

Timberwolf Apr 24, 2006 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
heh, I got two words for you: OH WELL! :P

Yeah, like I said earlier, even though the Pacers are the lower seed I really think they have a shot at taking out the Nets. They're finally back to full strength now and their chemistry is starting to mesh well.

Kobe didn't have one of his normal explosive-ball hog-40+points games tonight. Even so, the Lakers were still in the game late. Before the series is said and done though, I wouldn't be suprised if he cracked 50 more than once.

Ha, don't worry -- It's not like I'm not bitter or anything :p

It's just that I want to see Kobe lose fair and square. That's how I like it.

I think Kobe was trying to do his Steve Nash impression, by passing a lot. Too bad he failed miserably in Game 1.



So, I'm watching Game 2 of the Nuggets-Clippers series. Wait a second, I just realized something. Why does the Clippers have homecourt? I thought only in the latter rounds does homecourt go to the team with the better record. I thought in round one, homecourt advantage goes to the higher seed -- in this case, Denver.

Did I miss something.

Double Post:
Ron Artest is suspended for Game 2.

Oops.

Frylock Apr 24, 2006 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf

I think Kobe was trying to do his Steve Nash impression, by passing a lot. Too bad he failed miserably in Game 1.




You really don't know much about Kobe's game, or the Lakers for that matter, do you? He was playing according Phil's game plan, and it almost worked. KB gets railed for 'allegedly' playing selfish ball. I swear he's damned if he does, and he's damned if he doesn't. BTW, how well is KG and the T-Pups doing in the playoffs? Oh snap, that's right.... hahahaha.

Timberwolf Apr 24, 2006 11:13 PM

Kobe suddenly playing according to "Phil's game plan" after 80 games of jacking up 27.16 shots per game? It almost worked?

So it's Phil Jackson's idea for Kobe to shoot 7-21, right.

Here's Phil Jackson's quote after the game:

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Our game plan was to exploit the middle and do the things we wanted to, but he [Bryant] was still supposed to be a force over on that side of the offense. I just felt he never really got in rhythm until the end, and we said 'Just go after it'
Oops.

Kobe's game is no mystery. With all that talent, he still has trouble being an effective playmaker and a dominator at the same time. He doesn't know how.

Frylock Apr 24, 2006 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Kobe suddenly playing according to "Phil's game plan" after 80 games of jacking up 27.16 shots per game? It almost worked?

If it weren't for that, we probably would not even be in the playoffs. Kobe had to take most of the offensive load because Kwame and Lamar were too passive for most of the season because they just didn't understand the triangle offense.

So it's Phil Jackson's idea for Kobe to shoot 7-21, right.

[QUOTE=Timberwolf]Here's Phil Jackson's quote after the game:

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Our game plan was to exploit the middle and do the things we wanted to, but he [Bryant] was still supposed to be a force over on that side of the offense. I just felt he never really got in rhythm until the end, and we said 'Just go after it'
That's precisely what they did. What's your fucking point? Kobe did facilitate the lane by drawing double teams, unfortunately we missed many easy lay-ups that could have won us the game. He tried to take over during the fourth quarter, but he couldn't get his rythm going because of the facilitator role he was playing. Sometimes when you exert yourself too much on one end, you can't get it going on the other. It happens to all greats.



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Oops.

Kobe's game is no mystery. With all that talent, he still has trouble being an effective playmaker and a dominator at the same time. He doesn't know how.

You have got to be bullshitting me. You lost all credibility there. I'll admit, that Kobe doesn't have good court vision like Bron, but that's what Lamar's for.

Timberwolf Apr 25, 2006 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Frylock
If it weren't for that, we probably would not even be in the playoffs. Kobe had to take most of the offensive load because Kwame and Lamar were too passive for most of the season because they just didn't understand the triangle offense.

Kwame and Lamar were too passive for most of the season because they played with a ball dominator who didn't know how to involve them in the offense.

And I heard a rumor that Lamar Odom is a pretty good player. He even makes good decisions when the basketball is in his hands.

Too bad he only sees the ball when Kobe kicks it out.

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Originally Posted by Frylock
That's precisely what they did. What's your fucking point?

My point is that Kobe doesn't know how to be a facilitator and a dominant force at the same time. He tried to "facilitate" in Game 1, but couldn't get his own offensive game going when he needed to.

Because, precisely as you said, he couldn't get his rhythm going because of the facilitator role he was playing. He was trying too hard to be something he had no idea how to be.

He doesn't know how to be both a playmaker and a dominant force simultaneously.


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Originally Posted by Frylock
Sometimes when you exert yourself too much on one end, you can't get it going on the other. It happens to all greats.

We're talking about offense. Being a facilitator on offense can exert yourself so much that you can't get your own offensive game going?

Are you even serious.


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Originally Posted by Frylock
I'll admit, that Kobe doesn't have good court vision like Bron, but that's what Lamar's for.

Too bad Lamar doesn't see the ball until there's two seconds left on the clock.

bishop743 Apr 25, 2006 07:12 AM

Kwame Brown has really shown me something these last few weeks. Halfway through the season, I was officially ready to call this guy a complete bust... then he suddenly just flips the script on me. I'm actually glad to see to see him doing well. Maybe MJ was right after all? (He still should have taken Shane Battier in that draft though

Also, Luke Walton is another guy that needs to keep picking it up. He's a versatile player who can shoot from long-range and is also a great passer. He had a pretty good Game 1 but he needs to give them more.

The Clippers are well on their way to ending their long, long road of futility. They straight up mobbed the Nuggets last night. All 5 of their starters scored in double figures, led by Mobley's 21 points, and Maggette added 12 off the bench. Carmelo got two early fouls in the game and he was never really the same after that. After having a damn good reg. season, 'Melo has picked one hell of a bad time to fall into a rut.

Miami is also now up 2-0 on the Bulls. Like the Clippers, all 5 of their starters also scored in double figures, with 3 of them scoring 20+ points (Shaq and Walker with 22; Wade with 21). The Bulls were down big, fought their way back late, but D-Wade again closed the door on them with great, clutch play down the stretch.

I'm not gonna get into this Kobe Bryant discussion, but it will be interesting to see how he responds in Game 2. By all standards, he didn't have a very good game. It was a quiet game for him, even. It's proven that if he dosen't get his points, 8 times out of ten, the Lakers lose. Watch him try to drop fiddy tonight.

Timberwolf Apr 25, 2006 09:27 AM

Game 2 between the Lakers and Suns is tomorrow night. I also see Kobe dropping 50 in one of these games. He averaged 42.5 against the Suns this season. It's what he knows.

Denver will have to win both home games to get back in this series. It's hardly impossible, but their confidence and body language seem to say otherwise.

But all eyes on Lebron once again tonight.

bishop743 Apr 25, 2006 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Game 2 between the Lakers and Suns is tomorrow night. I also see Kobe dropping 50 in one of these games. He averaged 42.5 against the Suns this season. It's what he knows.

Yeah, my bad. I thought the game was tonight. But yeah, Kobe torched the Suns during the regular season.... no pun intended.


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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Denver will have to win both home games to get back in this series. It's hardly impossible, but their confidence and body language seem to say otherwise.

The Nuggets seem to already start the games with defeatist attitudes. L.A. has controlled both games from the outset. At the end of the regular season, the Clippers said they wanted the Nuggets, so now I guess we are seeing why. The series isn't over but it ain't far from it.


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But all eyes on Lebron once again tonight.

LeBron should have yet another marvelous game tonight. I wouldn't be suprised if he got yet another triple double. The Wizards have no answer for him..... but who does, really?!

Frylock Apr 25, 2006 01:21 PM

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Kwame and Lamar were too passive for most of the season because they played with a ball dominator who didn't know how to involve them in the offense.

And I heard a rumor that Lamar Odom is a pretty good player. He even makes good decisions when the basketball is in his hands.

Too bad he only sees the ball when Kobe kicks it out.
I like how you completely overlooked the part about them NOT understanding the triangle offense. Also, did you catch Lamar's recent comment where he states that he is just starting to get comfortable running the triangle? Of course not, you're just a blind hater who hasn't seen many Laker games this season.

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We're talking about offense. Being a facilitator on offense can exert yourself so much that you can't get your own offensive game going?

Are you even serious.
I guess I should have been more specific.... Did you see Kobe on the defensive end helping against the pick and roll? And at times, he was even guarding Nash. You gotta take in to consideration that KB averaged 42 minutes a game this season, and he DID carry the team for the most part. He can only do so much. You can't expect miracles from him every time.

bishop743 Apr 25, 2006 09:54 PM

WOW! You wanna talk about polar opposites, LeBron has a spectacular Game 1 then turns around and has a subpar Game 2. He had 26 points on 25 shots and had 9 turnovers, 2 of which came back-to-back in a critical portion late in the game. I know that stars can't be super 24/7 but I definitely did not expect this. I'll give some credit to the Wizards though. They really turned their defensive intensity up in this game. So, the series is now tied 1-1.

The Nets-Pacers series is also tied up now after the Nets throttling of Indiana, 90-75. Obviously, not having Peja in the game really hurt the Pacers, but Vince Carter had a great game scoring 33 points, dishing out 5 assists and pulling down 5 boards. According to reports, Peja was out with a sore right knee. Hopefully he'll be back in the lineup for Game 3, else Indy will be in big trouble.

And with all the Kobe Bryant jabbering, I guess I'll go ahead and post this article about him wanting to change his jersey no. to 24 starting next season. Here's the link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2421874

Timberwolf Apr 25, 2006 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Frylock
I like how you completely overlooked the part about them NOT understanding the triangle offense. Also, did you catch Lamar's recent comment where he states that he is just starting to get comfortable running the triangle? Of course not, you're just a blind hater who hasn't seen many Laker games this season.

Kobe's ball dominating tendendy is a big reason why Lamar and Kwame needed so much time to understand the Triangle.

And it's no secret that Kobe himself strays from the principles of the Triangle time and time again.

I don't like Kobe as a person, but I've got mad respect for his basketball talent. Believe it or not, I actually like watching him play basketball. I'm not a blind hater -- I call it as I see it.

Rockgamer Apr 25, 2006 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
And with all the Kobe Bryant jabbering, I guess I'll go ahead and post this article about him wanting to change his jersey no. to 24 starting next season. Here's the link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2421874

I guess I see the point of him wanting to change, but I wonder why he just didn't get 24 instead of 8 in the first place.

It's a close game for the Spurs right now. Hate to be a pessimist, but I don't think they're going to win. Of course I want them to, though.

Timberwolf Apr 26, 2006 12:08 AM

Sacto almost had it. If only they stayed with the shooters on that Spurs possession.

Kind of a lucky bounce for Barry, but give him credit.

Rockgamer Apr 26, 2006 12:14 AM

Whew, I'm glad I was wrong. It was a great game, and both teams were pretty good throughout. I was surprised though by how many shots Bibby missed, especially since he only made one shot out of all the regular quarters.

I think now that this series may wind up being over faster than most people think.. I don't think there will be a sweep, but probably no more than five games.

bishop743 Apr 26, 2006 07:11 AM

I really thought the Kings had a shot at making this a long series. It's starting to look like I was wrong. The Kings played well without Ron Artest last night. Kevin Martin, the guy who replaced Artest, had a great game though, with 26 points and 8 rebounds. Despite that, the Kings were hurt bad without Ron Ron's defensive intensity. I'm with you Rockgamer, the Kings may get one of these games in Sactown, but this series shouldn't go any longer than 5 games.

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Kind of a lucky bounce for Barry, but give him credit.

Yeah, I give him credit, but that shot should either never have happened in the first place or should have been a highly contested one. Why, up 3, would you sink in your defense to let outside shooters get an open look like that? It's ridiculous. Let them get the easy layup, get a good free throw shooter on the line and knock down your free throws. That mistake cost them the game... and probably any chance of winning this series as well, which was already slim.

Rollins Apr 26, 2006 12:42 PM

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WOW! You wanna talk about polar opposites, LeBron has a spectacular Game 1 then turns around and has a subpar Game 2. He had 26 points on 25 shots and had 9 turnovers, 2 of which came back-to-back in a critical portion late in the game. I know that stars can't be super 24/7 but I definitely did not expect this. I'll give some credit to the Wizards though. They really turned their defensive intensity up in this game. So, the series is now tied 1-1.

Everyone (at least Wizards fans) has been saying that after Haywood hit LeBron, it shook him up enough to take him out of his game. He had been running up to the basket like it was his throughout Game 1 and up to that point in Game 2, but after the Wizards showed some physicality (something they lack greatly usually =/ ) it put that little worry into his head.

Just happy to see that the Wizards can definitely contend though. With the series going to Washington now, I'm hoping for some more of the same result as yesterday.

nazpyro Apr 26, 2006 04:05 PM

The Washington series is fun to watch. And watching Lebron play is history in the making.

I'm trying to get tickets to one of the DC home games. A lot of floor seats going off on eBay for a little over $200 right now. I might go! Well, I'll make a friend eBay it and just pay him off if he actually gets them. I'm too busy to put that effort in. :/

bishop743 Apr 26, 2006 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rollins
Everyone (at least Wizards fans) has been saying that after Haywood hit LeBron, it shook him up enough to take him out of his game. He had been running up to the basket like it was his throughout Game 1 and up to that point in Game 2, but after the Wizards showed some physicality (something they lack greatly usually =/ ) it put that little worry into his head.

Yeah, I could see that. You just can't let a player walk all over you like that. I remember a game in the playoffs last year, the Sonics and the Kings. Ray Allen was simply having his way with the Kings' "defense". He ran all up the lane whenever he wanted, he got any jumpshot whenever he wanted... not a single hard foul. It's not about hurting anybody, but you gotta let 'em know that they just can't carve you up anyway they want. So, I don't blame Haywood for that.

nazpyro Apr 27, 2006 12:14 AM

Nash FTW.

The official announcement won't be for another two weeks, but reports out of Arizona name Nash the MVP. Good stuff. Kings James was the runner-up.


Crazy fun as the Suns made it close near the end. Good games.

DragoonKain Apr 27, 2006 01:38 AM

I took the Wizards in the series, so I hope they win just so I can be right.

bishop743 Apr 27, 2006 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by nazpyro
Nash FTW.

The official announcement won't be for another two weeks, but reports out of Arizona name Nash the MVP. Good stuff. Kings James was the runner-up.


Crazy fun as the Suns made it close near the end. Good games.

Yeah, congratulations go out to Steve Nash. Even though both Kobe Bryant and LeBron had phenomenal years, I think Nash really deserved this honor the most. After losing his most dominant player, he was still able to orchestrate a largely successful season for his team.

Congrats also go out to Avery Johnson for winning the Coach of the Year award. While I felt that Flip Saunders should have won, Johnson was deserving as well. So much respect goes out to him.

The Pistons and Mavs owned the Bucks and Grizzles AGAIN!... So, nothing new there.

The Lakers-Suns game was really good. I can't believe it: Kobe scores under 30.... AND THEY WIN!! Incredible!!! It looks like the guys around him are starting to get the hang of that triangle offense and improving on their continuity. But that dunk....dayum!! Kobe Bryant dunked all up in Nash's grill!! (Timerwolf: I'm counting on you to get me a pic of that! ;))

Timberwolf Apr 27, 2006 10:37 PM

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The Lakers-Suns game was really good. I can't believe it: Kobe scores under 30.... AND THEY WIN!! Incredible!!! It looks like the guys around him are starting to get the hang of that triangle offense and improving on their continuity. But that dunk....dayum!! Kobe Bryant dunked all up in Nash's grill!! (Timerwolf: I'm counting on you to get me a pic of that! ;))

That dunk was something.

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So the Bulls won Game 3. Interesting.

bishop743 Apr 28, 2006 06:54 AM

haha Timberwolf, I knew you'd come through. If you aren't able to find an animated gif though, don't worry about it. DAMN! Kobe straight up baphtized the MVP. SICK!

Yeah man, the Bulls dominated the Heat last night. More specifically, they dominated Shaq. Dude was completely ineffective the whole game, pretty much. He only had 8 points. In the 4th quarter, Miami just imploded. Posey got called for a flagrant 2 on Hinrich, and got tossed for it. Both Udonis Haslem and Antoine Walker got called for techical fouls. And, as time was winding down, all the players on the bench had sad, pitiful looks on their faces. I still think the Heat will win out but the Bulls are quickly closing the gap.

Also, the Nuggets defeated the Clippers without Kenyon Martin, to make the series 2-1. Carmelo Anthony is starting to look like his old self again, scoring 24 points and pulling down 7 rebounds. He also had 4 assists.

Indiana is up 2-1 in their series now after beating the Nets. Vince Carter had a brilliant first half with 21 points, but he cooled off in the second half, and only had 4 points. He also took a hard elbow to the fast when he was trying to go for a loose ball. Jermaine O'Neal tied his career high with 37 points and Peja Stojakovic returned from his injury to chip in with 10 points. I'm gonna stick with Indy in this series. They've underachieved all season long and they're peaking at the right time.

nazpyro Apr 28, 2006 12:00 PM

It was also a charge. :/ Fucking Kobe.

I was surprised the Bulls won. Other than that, I was actually kind of uninterested in the games last night. I was watching hockey playoffs more last night. I only caught most of the Bulls-Heat game, and saw the end of the Clippy Clips. Interesting wins, though last night. We're in for a long first round.

Let's go Wiizards.

LS Apr 29, 2006 01:42 AM

<3 how Sacramento is playing well now, it was long since i watched Nba, ever since jackson and peja left i have lost interest but now i have seen their game, i was amazed how good ron artest is.

nazpyro Apr 29, 2006 01:53 AM

Didn't go this Wizard's game, but I might go to Sunday's. ;_; But what an amazing fourth quarter. Lebron James was biting his nails like no other in the final seconds. Lebron James with the BARREL ROLL. Lebron James continuing to make history. Classic. This series is gonna be a battle (like almost all the other ones).

OSNAP THE KINGS WON. I expected them to win at some point. It seemed like a great game, and I wish I could've seen it. Saw the final highlight though. What a ridiculous buzzer beater. KEVIN MARTIN WITH THE BARREL ROLL.

Saw the Suns-Lakers game instead. Double digit scoring for all the starters. O_O. Wow. I also liked Phoenix fast break points: 22, Lakers: 0.

Mike Miller got the Sixth Man Award, and I completely forgot about him when considering who it would be even though he was on many of my fantasy NBA squads. Who knew? I definitely has Speedy Claston in mind. I guess a lot of other candidates I had in mind did become starters by the end of the season.

Timberwolf Apr 29, 2006 11:13 AM

Yeah, yesterday was a great night of Playoff basketball. Every game was close and intense.

Lebron was terrific, though I am almost certain that he traveled on two of those baskets.

That Kings-Spurs game was thrilling.

bishop743 Apr 29, 2006 11:16 AM

Tke Lakers are really starting to impress me now. And, though I hate to admit it, KOBE is beginning to impress me, specifically. He's really getting his teammates involved. Everyone contributed in someway last night. If they keep playing this way, and at this level, I think they will win the series. Steve Nash was not playing like his usual MVP-self.

Ron Artest had a huge impact in last night's win for the Kings. If they can continue to hold homecourt, they'll have a shot to possibly make this a series. It's a longshot but a shot, nonetheless.

The Wizards choked last night. They had the game well in-hand and let it slip away. Gilbert Arenas and LeBron James both had monster games. I really thought Washington had it when Arenas hit that shot at the end and converted on the And1, but LeBron was able to pull that final shot out of his ass.... should have been called for steps, but it wasn't called. I agree nazpyro that this will be a highly contested series. The battles scoring battles between Arenas and James have been fun to watch.

Oh yeah, and congrats to Mike Miller on winning the Sixth Man Award.

Timberwolf Apr 30, 2006 10:06 AM

The real Pistons were napping.

124-104. What is that.

Did they really give up 124 points. I must be seeing things.

bishop743 Apr 30, 2006 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
The real Pistons were napping.

124-104. What is that.

Did they really give up 124 points. I must be seeing things.

I'm gonna give the Pistons the benefit of the doubt on that one. Giving up 124 points is unacceptable. Michael Redd went off though. He couldn't be stopped.

nazpyro Apr 30, 2006 12:45 PM

No Wizards game for me again, though I have two friends going. Gee I hate school. Hopefully Wizards make the series last to bring it back to DC... or win and move on to the next round. I think I could definitely make any other game besides tonight's.

Anyway, go Wiz.

Will Memphis ever get a playoff win? ;_; Come on Kung Pau.

bishop743 Apr 30, 2006 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nazpyro
No Wizards game for me again, though I have two friends going. Gee I hate school. Hopefully Wizards make the series last to bring it back to DC... or win and move on to the next round. I think I could definitely make any other game besides tonight's.

Anyway, go Wiz.

If the Wizards had won that last game, I really thought they were gonna win the series. They still have a great shot though if Arenas keeps playing the way he has been. Sucks you weren't able to go to any of the games.

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Will Memphis ever get a playoff win? ;_;

No. :P

Timberwolf Apr 30, 2006 09:11 PM

Kobe Bryant. Oh my.

As much as I dislike him as a person, he's still a brilliant individual basketball talent.

T1249NTSCJ Apr 30, 2006 09:15 PM

That was an awesome 4th quarter performance on behalf of the Lakers, Bryant's clutch factor...simply amazing.

Timberwolf Apr 30, 2006 09:18 PM

What a clutch performance. It's one thing to take last second shots when the game is tied, and you're trying to win the game. If you miss, it's overtime.

But it's a whole other thing to take last second shots when your team is trailing. The feeling and pressure are completely different.

bishop743 Apr 30, 2006 09:35 PM

The Suns got robbed. Simple as that. Several times in that game, especially in the 4th quarter and overtime, Nash and crew got a raw deal. With that being said, it still was a great finish. Kobe's shot was magnificent.

Chicago and Washington both picked up huge wins today as well. Both of those series are tied 2-2 now. Each of those series could go either way now, I think. Gilbert Arenas had another great game and Kirk Hinrich is quickly becoming a star in this league. They're both fun to watch.. and they play the game the right way.

T1249NTSCJ Apr 30, 2006 09:37 PM

That last possession for Phoenix was a bad call, jump ball and no foul...come on. Still though, it made for an interesting finish.

Rockgamer Apr 30, 2006 09:44 PM

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That last possession for Phoenix was a bad call, jump ball and no foul...come on.

Yeah, it did seem a little iffy. But what can you expect when they are playing in L.A.? I got give Kobe his props though, as he did his thing when he needed to, which was right at the last few seconds.

Dr. Uzuki Apr 30, 2006 10:03 PM

I don't think there was too questionable a call after seeing the replay. They got Nash trapped and he was stumbling, bound to either travel or fall out of bounds. If the refs are going to help you out of that, well, depends on the stage of the game and where you're playing. It could of gone the other way if they were in Pheonix, easy. That's home court advantage for you.

bishop743 Apr 30, 2006 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Uzuki
I don't think there was too questionable a call after seeing the replay. They got Nash trapped and he was stumbling, bound to either travel or fall out of bounds. If the refs are going to help you out of that, well, depends on the stage of the game and where you're playing. It could of gone the other way if they were in Pheonix, easy. That's home court advantage for you.

It's not even about a foul or traveling. Nash was calling for a timeout. He should have gotten it. I know all about home cooking, and by the way it looked, that's exactly what this was. Like I said, they got robbed.

I say that, but by the same token, Steve Nash missed like 3 wide open 3-point shots in the 4th quarter that could have put daggers in the Lakers chances, but still, the Suns have a gripe about how all that played out. Nothing they can do now.... just suck it up and get focused on Game 5.

nazpyro Apr 30, 2006 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
Gilbert Arenas had another great game and Kirk Hinrich is quickly becoming a star in this league. They're both fun to watch.. and they play the game the right way.

Wouldn't go that far... Arenas has been Mr. Ill-Advised shot all season, but he has been getting better. He took a deep three late in the game I didn't like, but it did go in. He's been especially awesome lately. Defensively, he's been freaking everywhere. Great win for the wizards, indeed.

Bulls, osnap.
Lakers, osnap.

Kings... FTW. :p

Frylock Apr 30, 2006 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
It's not even about a foul or traveling. Nash was calling for a timeout.


Nash ADMITTED to not calling a time-out after the game. Diaw was the one calling for a time out - he was supposed to run over to the official and call it, instead he called it from across the court with all the noise and shit going on. Clearly, a straight-up rookie mistake. Props to my Lakers for beating the Suns twice in one game, lol.

Rockgamer May 1, 2006 12:02 AM

Damn, the Spurs lost, though it's not a surprise by the way they were playing. It was painful watching the gap get wider and wider, mainly in the fourth quarter. Even with this defeat though, I still predict that the Spurs will win the series in 5 games (meaning they'll win the next two).

nazpyro May 1, 2006 12:19 AM

Wow. I can't remember the time when overall NBA First Round action was THIS intense.

THIS IS INTENSE. There are so many 2-2s right now. And only Memphis is going to get out with no win.

bishop743 May 1, 2006 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Frylock
Nash ADMITTED to not calling a time-out after the game. Diaw was the one calling for a time out - he was supposed to run over to the official and call it, instead he called it from across the court with all the noise and shit going on. Clearly, a straight-up rookie mistake. Props to my Lakers for beating the Suns twice in one game, lol.

Did he? I did not know that. Well, that changes everything then. Like I said though, Nash had several opportunities to win the game for his team and came up short, so I wasn't trying to make excuses for him or anything.

The Lakers are playing with nothing to lose. Coming into the series, no one expected them to win this series. For this team, just making the playoffs would have constituted a successful season. Now, they're on the brink of making it to the second round. It's just funny how the reg. season and playoffs have been complete polar opposites as far as how they are playing. In the reg. season, it was all about Kobe scoring 40 and 50 a night, now he isn't even cracking 30 and he's getting his teammates involved. This has to be Phil Jackson's greatest coaching job ever.

Timberwolf May 1, 2006 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RockgamerXIII
Damn, the Spurs lost, though it's not a surprise by the way they were playing. It was painful watching the gap get wider and wider, mainly in the fourth quarter. Even with this defeat though, I still predict that the Spurs will win the series in 5 games (meaning they'll win the next two).

You mean six games :) The series is knotted at 2-2.

Ginobili managed only 11 points in Games 3 and 4 combined. They'll need more out of him if they want to win the series.

The Kings are playing well. Bonzi and Artest are playing great. Not to mention Kevin Martin (AKA The Real K-Mart) and Mike Bibby. Bibby's shooting 35.5% for the series, though.

If it weren't for the fortunate bounce on Barry's shot in Game 2, this series could easily be 3-1 right now for the eighth-seeded Kings.

nazpyro May 1, 2006 01:25 PM

Alright, I'm excited (even more now). I got tickets to the Game 6 Wizards game. Not as good seats as I was originally going for, but just being there is awesome enough. What's also cool is we got a contiguous block of seats, so the 6 of my friends that are also coming along can sit together. Mad fun.

We can cheer on Arenas, who as of now I will call my boy.

Rockgamer May 1, 2006 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
You mean six games :) The series is knotted at 2-2.

Ginobili managed only 11 points in Games 3 and 4 combined. They'll need more out of him if they want to win the series.

Yeah, that was typo that I didn't catch. I did mean to say six.

But yeah, Ginobli wasn't at his best these last two days, and in general the Spurs are usually at their worst on the road. Even so, I'm hoping they can pull off at least one victory on the road (Game 6) , so that the series won't have to go down to the wire.

Timberwolf May 2, 2006 09:21 AM

Clippers and Mavericks move on.

Did Dallas even break a sweat.

bishop743 May 2, 2006 10:11 AM

Jerry West had put together a great team down there in Memphis. The one thing they're lacking is someone who can create and make their own shot in clutch situations. Hopefully, they wil start hunting for that type of player during the offseason.

Man, the Nuggets were a huge disappointment in the playoffs. That whole Kenyon Martin debacle certainly didn't help matters either. They'll probably try to trade him this summer.

Congrats to the Clips and Mavs for making it to the 2nd round. Especially the Clippers, since that franchise hadn't won a playoff series since 1976.

Timberwolf May 2, 2006 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
Jerry West had put together a great team down there in Memphis. The one thing they're lacking is someone who can create and make their own shot in clutch situations. Hopefully, they wil start hunting for that type of player during the offseason.

Damon Stoudamire was pretty solid in those situations. I remember his days with the Raptors, making a lot of big shots.

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Man, the Nuggets were a huge disappointment in the playoffs. That whole Kenyon Martin debacle certainly didn't help matters either. They'll probably try to trade him this summer.

The Nuggets were definitely a disappointment this year in the Playoffs. This was their shot. Their first legit shot at advancing. Two years ago, they were playing underdogs to the top seed Timberwolves. Last year, they were playing underdogs to the eventual Champs. This year was their chance.

And they crumbled.

Poor Melo didn't shoot well in the series (33.3%).

Kenyon Martin is a player I never liked. That goes back to his New Jersey days.

Rockgamer May 2, 2006 11:09 PM

The Spurs-Kings game was pretty good tonight, especially for Manu, who seem to get back in his groove tonight. I gotta give it up to Bonzi though, as he was playing great tonight as well.

Now I just hope that the Spurs can pick up a victory in the next game, even though it's in Sacramento. As long as they can at least keep playing like this, they should be able to pull out a victory, even if it's a narrow one.

nazpyro May 3, 2006 01:55 AM

Wow, a night resulting all in 3-2 series. Craaaazy. We'll get a possible 3-2 with Milwaukee/Detroit tomorrow night (but probably not), and definitely one with the Wizards.

I don't know what kinda game would be more fun to watch on Friday, a game which would be a must-win for the Wizards to stay alive, or a series-winning game. Whew.... excited I am.

bishop743 May 3, 2006 07:01 AM

Miami had a huge scare in their game against the Bulls last night. Dwayne Wade went for a dunk and landed on his hip. At first, it looked a lot worse than it actually was. However, in the second half, he was able to come back into the game and garner his team to a 3-2 lead in the series, with Shaq in foul trouble. Oh... and that pass he made to Alonzo when he did the spin was pretty hot.

Against my better judgement, I'm thinking that the Spurs-Kings series could go 7 games. I know San Antonio is the better team but the Kings play much better at home with that crowd. So, I think Sacramento will win Game 6 and the Spurs win Game 7 back in San Antonio.

Phoenix bounced back from their heart-breaking loss in Game 4 to win Game 5. Boris Diaw showed why he was voted Most Improved Player this year by leading the team with 25 points and adding 10 rebounds. The rivalry between Raja Bell and Kobe Bryant escalated as well. Bell was ejected from the game for giving Bryant a hard foul around the head/neck area. Bryant held his cool, but but he was ejected late in the 4th quarter for arguing with a ref. The Suns won this game but still have a long way to go. Game 6 in LA will be fun to watch.

Timberwolf May 3, 2006 09:28 AM

This isn't really Playoff relevant, but a little randomness doesn't hurt:

Dwight Howard:

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"I was in the mall, and this dude asks if I'll sign something for him. I said, 'Cool, what?' He opens up his jacket, and on his T-shirt he has the picture of me getting dunked on by Kobe. I had to sign it. I had to laugh at that one. When you get dunked on, there's nothing you can do about it. You just want to go do it to somebody else on the other end."

nazpyro May 3, 2006 09:34 AM

Dwyane Wade: Fall down 7 times. Get up 8. Now, no one really knows what this means. FALL DOWN 273047235093 times GET UP 273047235093 + 1. OSNAP.

Dwight Howard: OH MA GOODNESS. What a good sport. Nice of him to sign it. Now, where do I get this shirt? Then again, I don't really want a shirt with Kobe on it. :/

bishop743 May 3, 2006 09:37 AM

Damn man, that dunk isn't as sick as the one Vince Carter did in the Olympics a few years back, but not far from it. Most people would have either gotten upset or refused to sign the t-shirt but Howard didn't. I like his attitude and how he handled that situation. I bet the guy who wanted to get it signed was trying to get a rise out of him. Howard is a good kid and class act. He's proven that on the court, and this is an example of his personality off of it.

Nice find.

Timberwolf May 3, 2006 06:20 PM

Yeah, Dwight Howard is a nice kid. He's got a very bright future in the league.


Trade rumour: Ricky for AI

Surely the T-Wolves would have to give up more than just Ricky to get AI.

But can someone please make it happen.

KG and AI. Dope man.

nazpyro May 3, 2006 11:23 PM

OH MA GOODNESS. WE GOT LEBRON'D. Man, I'm crying now. What a ridiculous finish. Awesome game.

BUT WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T THE WIZARDS CALL A TIMEOUT, not to mention poor time management near the end. They had a full timeout and a 20-second time out with the .9 seconds left. ...

This makes the Friday game I'm going to a MUST-WIN. WE MUST WIN.

The commentators are having a field day with this one.

bishop743 May 4, 2006 09:14 AM

I like how Detroit gave up 124 points to the Bucks in Game 3, then came back to score 109 and 122 in games 4 and 5 respectively, to close out the Bucks. When their offense is clicking like that, they are unbeatable.

LeBron James burned Washington yet again last night, hitting another game-winning shot. The Wizards have been snake-bitten in this series. I think Washington will pull out Game 6 at home. Then when Game 7 comes around, all bets are off.

I enjoy this back and forth between Raja Bell and Kobe Bryant. Bryant calls Bell a kid but the guy is 2 years older than him. I don't think the Suns will lose all that much without having Bell in the lineup. Even though they are still down, I still favor Phoenix in this series.

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Trade rumour: Ricky for AI

Surely the T-Wolves would have to give up more than just Ricky to get AI.

But can someone please make it happen.

KG and AI. Dope man.

If the T-Wolves could somehow acquire Iverson, it would be great for them. It'd be awesome if, after all these years of not being able to win a championship individually, they teamed up to win one together. I , for one, hope it comes to fruition.

Timberwolf May 5, 2006 09:37 PM

That Suns-Lakers game last night was another classic. I didn't know Tim Thomas had that in him.

Game Seven. Niiiiice.

Nets and Heat move on. Should be a good series.

Rockgamer May 5, 2006 10:21 PM

Yeah, that Suns-Lakers game was nice. Even though Kobe was on fire (50 points!), the Suns still managed to force a game 7. While I personally don't like the Lakers (I don't think there are any Spurs fans that do), I'm gonna go with them for winning Game 7 tomorrow, even though they don't have home court advantage.

bishop743 May 5, 2006 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
That Suns-Lakers game last night was another classic. I didn't know Tim Thomas had that in him.

Yeah, that game was great. But what do yu mean about Tim Thomas? He's always been a great player, even back in his days with the Bucks.

Damn! Gilbert Arenas has such a great game, then goes and costs his team the series by missing two key free throws. I never would have thought I'd ever call him a choke artist... but he surely choked at the charity stripe (huge 3-pointer to send the game into OT though). So, the Cavs win the series, and get the privledge of getting handled by the Pistions. Should be a good series, though.

Timberwolf May 5, 2006 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
Yeah, that game was great. But what do yu mean about Tim Thomas? He's always been a great player, even back in his days with the Bucks.

A gutsy three-pointer off a pumpfake after a scramble Suns offensive rebound ... I was just surprised he took and made that shot, especially when Nash was open and calling for the ball.


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Originally Posted by bishop743
Damn! Gilbert Arenas has such a great game, then goes and costs his team the series by missing two key free throws. I never would have thought I'd ever call him a choke artist... but he surely choked at the charity stripe (huge 3-pointer to send the game into OT though). So, the Cavs win the series, and get the opportunity to get handled by the Pistions. Should be a good series, though.

Yeah, poor Gilbert's two freethrow misses cost them the game.

Damon Jones, who saw his first action of the night, went ahead and hit the gamewinner. The Cavs advance, and we get to see more of Lebron James.

They might just give the Pistons a run for their money. Or not, if the Pistons decide they like their offense more than their defense.

bishop743 May 5, 2006 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
A gutsy three-pointer off a pumpfake after a scramble Suns offensive rebound ... I was just surprised he took and made that shot, especially when Nash was open and calling for the ball.

You'd be suprised what some people are capable of when their season is on the line and they have to take a desperation shot. But again, he's a disciplined, veteran player who's been in the trenches of the postseason before. So, if I were a Suns fan, I'd be comfortable with him taking that shot. Maybe he didn't know how much time was left and figured an extra pass might have cost them.

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They might just give the Pistons a run for their money. Or not, if the Pistons decide they like their offense more than their defense.

I'll give the Cavs one game in this series. If the Pistons are gonna score 100+ each night, you can forget about it. With that defense, it's a sweep in the making. Rest assured, if the Cavs had been playing the Pistons tonight, Damon Jones would NOT have gotten a wide open look like that.

Timberwolf May 5, 2006 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
You'd be suprised what some people are capable of when their season is on the line and they have to take a desperation shot. But again, he's a disciplined, veteran player who's been in the trenches of the postseason before. So, if I were a Suns fan, I'd be comfortable with him taking that shot. Maybe he didn't know how much time was left and figured an extra pass might have cost them.

Heh, I didn't realize that Thomas is a career 37.1% three-point shooter, and that he is shooting 51.6% from the arc in this series.


Ooooh, Artest rolled an ankle.

bishop743 May 5, 2006 11:19 PM

So yeah, that Spurs-Mavs series should be hot.

Rockgamer May 5, 2006 11:39 PM

I don't want to get my hopes up too early, but it looks like the Spurs are gonna take this. hey've been playing pretty good for a road game.

nazpyro May 6, 2006 08:20 AM

time for the post-wizards game rant. this'll feature a completely objective view of the game and it's officiating, and if you disagree, you suck at life. forever. it's still in the works and i'll finalize it as i put in my blog and stuff.

what did lebron say to gilbert on the free throw line? "if you miss the second free throw, you're going home." lebron james... king james... more like queen bitch. what a frikkin' cry baby. i swear, after seeing this game and the way it was officiated, i have lost all reverence of lebron james that i've had since his inception into the nba. all he did forabout 90% of the game was complain and moan about the 1 out of 20 calls that didn't go his way. meanwhile, gilbert arenas continued to get no respect at all, getting absolutely none of the superstar calls (or even non-supserstar) calls to go his way. i can clearly describe at least 12 situations where this happened. never getting continuity calls or superstar calls of any type, but ultimately leading up to at least once, not get a goaltending call, including one that cost the game, and will be highly contested for all eternity. there you have it. lebron sucks at life.

this isn't to say gilbert was being an ideal player. he had fair share of ill-advised shots as always and probably should've hit at least one of those free throws near the end (but it shouldn't have come down to that anyway). he always comes out of nowhere! lebron, on the other hand, is a player i'm really beginning to dislike, if not already hate. thinking about past game, it's become clear that really all he does other than play really good basketball and complaincomplaingcomplainmoanbitchwhinewhinebitch and gloat. i say it's reached the point where i'm actually liking kobe over lebron now. in fact, kobe has stepped into my good side lately; meanwhile, lebron... the king has fallen. very lame to go rowdy at the end and start up a dogpile with his teammates. what the hell. despite all this, gilbert was still a good sport and gentleman to go over to the cavs' locker room and say "good game."

but what a game. it had all the excitement i expected, though quadruple overtime would've been nicer. one overtime was really frikkin' sweet to be there for. now, as a fan, i would say i went all out: lost my voice, blue hair, cheering gear set. the evening was legendary. oh, the cry baby cam is awesome.

i have pictures galore. i'll have those online sometime next week.

Timberwolf May 6, 2006 11:42 AM

Man, watching that game live as a Wizards fan must've been tough. The refs did blow that goaltending call, which would've changed the dynamics of the game, if not the outcome.

I feel you, man.

But why blame Lebron for the inept officiating? That missed goaltending call had nothing to do with Lebron. Every single superstar in the league complains about calls that didn't go his way. It's not like Lebron is breaking new grounds here. And if he gets superstar calls ... it's not really his fault.

bishop743 May 6, 2006 12:04 PM

nazpyro, I understand where you're coming from. The last 3 games of the series, the Wizards lost by just one point in each game. The officiating was suspect in all 3 of those games at points. A call here or there and the Wizards might have won this series. But, superstars getting special calls and arguing about calls that they feel aren't warranted, is nothing new. Everybody does it... even the scrubs. You can't blame LeBron for that. And as far as what he said to Arenas at the line, doesn't matter. Arenas is an 80+ % free throw shooter. There is no reason why he shouldn't have knocked down at least one of them. It was an amazing game to watch at home though, so I can only imagine how exciting it was for you being there live.

Timberwolf May 6, 2006 12:09 PM

Spoiler:
"I don't hate him, but I have no respect for him, because I think he's a pompous, arrogant individual."

-- Raja Bell, on Kobe Bryant.



Spoiler:
"Does he know me? Do I know this guy? I don't know this guy ... Maybe he wasn't hugged enough as a kid."

-- Kobe Bryant, responding to Bell's remarks.


Let's get it on.

The best series in this year's opening round ends tonight.

bishop743 May 6, 2006 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Spoiler:
"I don't hate him, but I have no respect for him, because I think he's a pompous, arrogant individual."

-- Raja Bell, on Kobe Bryant.



Spoiler:
"Does he know me? Do I know this guy? I don't know this guy ... Maybe he wasn't hugged enough as a kid."

-- Kobe Bryant, responding to Bell's remarks.


Let's get it on.

The best series in this year's opening round ends tonight.

ROFL! Oh man, this is gonna be good. I'll definitely be checking this one out. This series has been a nail-biter from start to finish just like the Cavs-Wizards series. This Bell-Bryant back and forth is making this Game 7 that much more interesting.

nazpyro May 6, 2006 12:49 PM

Not blaming Lebron, or Bron Bron, or Bon Bon, or whatever you want call him for the poor officiating. He just gets more calls his ways from the officiating. It's not that the Cavs won the game, it's just how Lebron handled himself on the court which was pretty pissy. Superstars complain, yeah, but seriously not as much as much as Lebon. Every trip up and down the court he's yakking something off to the ref, shaking his head, crying, and all that good pissy shit. Even Michael Jordan was a complaining bitch during his career, but Lebron really is taking it to a new level. As for Arenas missing the free throws, it's true he should've made them. You just have to even slightly consider the fact that it should have never come down to that. And still, the complete lack of respect for Gilbert Arenas...

Lakers... Suns... it's gonna be gooooood.

Rockgamer May 6, 2006 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by nazpyro
i have pictures galore. i'll have those online sometime next week.

Can't wait to see them!

The Spurs-Kings game was pretty good last night. I'm just glad that they were able to pull it off without there having to be a Game 7 (though it definitely would have been an exciting one. Now I can't wait to see how we play against the Mavs on Sunday. The series could probably go either way, but I'm definitely predicting at least six games, though there will probably be a seventh.

And man, this Kobe/Bell thing is at its peak now. Time to see which one can back up their talk by taking their team to the next round. It's gonna be a sweet game!

bishop743 May 6, 2006 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by nazpyro
You just have to even slightly consider the fact that it should have never come down to that.

You're right, it should have never come down to that. Several wizards players, including Arenas and Jamison, had GREAT looks at 3-pointers in that overtime period and couldn't knock them now. Couple that with Arenas' misses at the free throw line, you can't blame the refs for that loss too much. Part of being a great team is overcoming adversity. They had a 7 point lead with just over 2 minutes to go and couldn't close the door. This loss belongs at the doorstep of the Wizards' team, not the referees. I know losing the way you did is a bitter pill to swallow (we've all been there), but come on man...

Timberwolf May 6, 2006 05:31 PM

As exciting as the opening round has been, there really hasn't been an upset at this point. Even if the Lakers win tonight, it isn't really an upset.

Speaking of upsets, here's one of the greatest in NBA history: Nuggets over SuperSonics in 1994.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...ARDMUTOMBO.jpg

Hahaha. Does the Reignman even call that a haircut.

bishop743 May 6, 2006 07:09 PM

That Nuggets upset of the Sonics in '94 was as improbable as any I've ever seen. During that period, the Supersonics were a powerhosue. The way that series ended with Dikembe laying flat on the court, clutching onto the ball was one of those great moments that you ever forget.

Timberwolf May 6, 2006 07:36 PM

Yeah, and the fact that they lost Games 1 and 2, only to storm back and take three straight games from Seattle. Simply amazing.



Hey wait a minute. Game 7 Lakers-Suns is not on in Canada?

Four Sportsnet channels ... nope.
The Score ... nope.
TSN ... nope.
Raptors TV ... nope.

What the hell.

I guess I'll have to catch the tape-delay on Raptors TV at midnight.

Rockgamer May 7, 2006 12:03 AM

I was surprised by the Lakers in this game. Not that they lost, but by the fact that they never had the lead the entire time. I thought this was going to be a close, down to the wire kinda game, but alas, it was nothing like that. Well, at least that puts Phoenix in the books, coming back from being down 3-1.

Timberwolf May 7, 2006 01:02 AM

Okay, I just finished watching the game.

What the hell kind of Game 7 was that.

Edit: Almost as bad as last year's Rockets-Mavericks Game 7.

bishop743 May 7, 2006 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Okay, I just finished watching the game.

What the hell kind of Game 7 was that.

Edit: Almost as bad as last year's Rockets-Mavericks Game 7.

I actually missed the game because I was out at the movies. I only got a chance to see the box score and stats. What was wrong with it?

Timberwolf May 7, 2006 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
I actually missed the game because I was out at the movies. I only got a chance to see the box score and stats. What was wrong with it?

The Suns jumped on the Lakers early, and blew them out. The Lakers never looked competitive, never looked like they grasped the urgency and significance of a Game 7. The Suns were getting open shots, driving in open lanes.

Kobe Bryant took three shots -- and scored only one point (on a technical freethrow) -- in the entire second half.

It was a disappointing Game 7, with absolutely no suspense.

bishop743 May 7, 2006 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
The Suns jumped on the Lakers early, and blew them out. The Lakers never looked competitive, never looked like they grasped the urgency and significance of a Game 7. The Suns were getting open shots, driving in open lanes.

Kobe Bryant took three shots -- and scored only one point (on a technical freethrow) -- in the entire second half.

It was a disappointing Game 7, with absolutely no suspense.

Damn! That sounds like the exact opposite of what a Game 7 is supposed to be. Now I don't feel bad at all about missing it. That's a dissapointing wait to exit the playoffs if you're the Lakers. Why play your asses off in six games, then show no effort whatsoever in Game 7? Ridiculous. Maybe they were gassed out after losing that 3-1 lead. Still no excuse, though. Ah well, the better team won in the end.

Timberwolf May 7, 2006 12:47 PM

Yeah ... it was a boring Game 7.


But hey, Round 2 starts today, opening with the marquee series between the Spurs and Mavericks. Surely everyone's watching it right now.


Here are my predictions for Round 2:

Spurs-Dallas: Spurs in 7
Suns-Clippers: Suns in 7

Pistons-Cavaliers: Pistons in 5
Heat-Nets: Heat in 6

Rockgamer May 7, 2006 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
But hey, Round 2 starts today, opening with the marquee series between the Spurs and Mavericks. Surely everyone's watching it right now.

I am. It's been alright so far but hopefully it picks up more in the second half.

Timberwolf May 7, 2006 01:02 PM

Duncan has 20 points, and it's not even halftime.



So it's official -- Nash is about to receive his second consecutive MVP trophy.

Well-deserved.

chato May 7, 2006 03:29 PM

It's a good thing i didn't see the fall of the Lakers >.>.

Oh well LA is still in the playoffs. The Clippers.. So it wouldn't matter if Lakers and Clippers win or lose. LA beats LA. too bad we can't see that either ;p.


The Nets are doing fairly well.

Timberwolf May 7, 2006 03:38 PM

Pistons are chewing up the Cavs right now.

Detroit's playing some good basketball. It's scary how good their offense has become.


Edit: Lindsey Hunter. Long range bombs. Oh my.

bishop743 May 7, 2006 03:52 PM

Their offfense could have been this good last year if Larry Brown had given them the freedom that Flip Saunders has this year. I was gonna give the Cavs one game in this series, but I wouldn't be suprised if it ends up being a sweep.

Spurs win a huge game against the Mavs in Game 1. Dallas had a golden opportunity to steal this game but came up short. I'm gonna take the Spurs in 6 games for this series.

Much love and congratulations to Steve Nash for winning MVP for the 2nd straight season. I thought that with Amare's adsence this season, the Suns would falter and struggle big time, but Steve Nash kept the machine running smoothly all year. I think them winning those 3 games in a row against the Lakers sealed the deal. Again, congrats!

Timberwolf May 7, 2006 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
Their offfense could have been this good last year if Larry Brown had given them the freedom that Flip Saunders has this year. I was gonna give the Cavs one game in this series, but I wouldn't be suprised if it ends up being a sweep.

I don't think Brown is as good an offensive strategist as Saunders, who has a massive arsenal of play-sets up his sleeves.

Brown is better at getting his team to play defense than Saunders, though. Good thing Flip took over a team that already has that defensive mindset, as well as already having defensive-oriented players (Ben, Tayshaun, etc).

bishop743 May 7, 2006 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
I don't think Brown is as good an offensive strategist as Saunders, who has a massive arsenal of play-sets up his sleeves.

Brown is better at getting his team to play defense than Saunders, though. Good thing Flip took over a team that already has that defensive mindset, as well as already having defensive-oriented players (Ben, Tayshaun, etc).

Well, that's true too. But what I mean is that Brown preferred running a half-court offense most of the time. On the other hand, Saunders lets them to get out and run on the fastbreak. Guys like Prince, Billups, Hamilton and 'Sheed are thriving this year because of that. But yeah, your point is right on too.

Timberwolf May 7, 2006 06:15 PM

Uh, Ben Wallace air-balled both freethrows on one trip.

Is that the first time that's happened in the NBA. I need to know.

bishop743 May 7, 2006 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Uh, Ben Wallace air-balled both freethrows on one trip.

Is that the first time that's happened in the NBA. I need to know.

oh, hell nah, playah. I've seen that several times. I think even Big Ben has done that before in the past.

Timberwolf May 7, 2006 06:28 PM

Two airballs on one trip? It's happened several times?

That's really, really embarassing. Big Ben had a big sheepish grin after that today. I guess when your team is up by 900 points, you can afford to :)

bishop743 May 7, 2006 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Two airballs on one trip? It's happened several times?

Maybe not several, but definitely a couple.

Pistons just rolled over the Cavs in that game. They had control of the game from the opening tip. Joe Dumars... you're a friggin' genius, brotha.

Timberwolf May 7, 2006 07:19 PM

Yeah, it's a great collection of players, who had rocky starts in the NBA. Guys like Chauncey Billups who played for five teams in his first four seasons in the league, and guys like Ben Wallace who went undrafted.

And now. Ben Wallace is about to win yet another Defensive Player of the Year award -- his fourth, trying Mutombo's record. He will get the trophy on Tuesday when the official announcement is made.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...LOCKGOODEN.jpg

The block from today. I thought Gooden was going to throw that down, since he had a lot of room. But Big Ben snuffed him out.

nazpyro May 8, 2006 12:53 AM

Yeah, Big Ben has aired both on several occasions.

Dang, I was gone all day today, and it looks like I missed an intense Texas battle.

Haha...Detroit owned Cleveland. Take that Bon. Had the better team from the Wiz/Cavs series won, it would've been a completely different story, maybe not a 'w,' but something worth watching.

bishop743 May 8, 2006 07:10 AM

This might be a stretch, but I am beginning to think that Ben Wallace is the greatest post (on and off the ball) defender since Bill Russel. Big Ben is one of those cats where guys will miss wide open shots JUST because they know he's in the vicinity. That Drew Gooden play is a prime example of his skills. Gooden thought he had a sure-fire throwdown but it ended up getting sent into the cheap seats.

Congrats to Ben Wallace.

And yeah, if the Wizards had won that series, it would have been a closer game. The Wiz may have only lost by...like... 15 points or so lol (j/k). But yeah, against the Pistons, you need more than one reliable scorer. Washington has 3, at least. The Cavs on the other hand, with Larry Hughes stinking up the joint, aren't so lucky. They will get mauled in this series if Detroit's offense keeps going on all cylinders like it has been these last few games.

Timberwolf May 8, 2006 09:55 PM

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...NKONNASH-4.jpg

Still looking for an animated .gif ...

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...RGUENOCALL.jpg

Arrg.

http://www.nba.com/media/DRobinsonJer600.jpg

A Ginobili jersey.

http://www.nba.com/media/wALLACEDEFENSE600.jpg

Fear the Fro.

http://www.slamonline.com/links/kobekiss.jpg

Are they friends.

bishop743 May 8, 2006 09:57 PM

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LOL! Looks like Luke Walton wants to join in. I had no clue Kobe rolled like that! haha!!

nazpyro May 9, 2006 12:42 AM

O_o. Kobe...

Anyway I got some of the pics from that game up in my chocojournal (shortened form). It links to my personal blog where I have the full entry plus rant, as well as the full gallery.

Nets, osnap. I see them getting that series. Ohh, and Suns taking care of another LA team. Maybe the Suns will wanna take it to a Game 7 again.

Timberwolf May 9, 2006 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by nazpyro
Anyway I got some of the pics from that game up in my chocojournal (shortened form). It links to my personal blog where I have the full entry plus rant, as well as the full gallery.

Nice photos.

That video clip your friend took of Arena's OT-forcing three-pointer cracked me up.

I imagine y'all were too hyped and jumping up and down to remember you were holding a camera.

bishop743 May 10, 2006 06:53 AM

Wow, the Spurs got waxed by the Mavs at home last night. Josh Howard had 27 points and Devon Harris, in his first start of the postseason, came up huge with 20 points. Dirk Nowitzki added 21 points. Tim Duncan had 28 points for the Spurs, but he got into foul trouble in the 3rd quarter and was out for a huge stretch, and the Mavs took advantage of it. San Antonio might be in some trouble here.

Speaking of blowouts, Detroit blew out Cleveland for a second straight time. Even though the Cavs did make a game of it late, the game wasn't as close as the score shows. LeBron James was not aggressive in the first half and that played right into Detroit's hands. In the second half though, he made more of an effor to get in the flow of his game and that's when they started to come back. They came up short but I'm sure it gave them something to hang their hat on heading to Cleveland for Game 3.

Timberwolf May 10, 2006 08:17 AM

Wow, Dallas played really well. I missed both games, as I was out. But it looks like they weren't very competitive anyway.


So the Kings are letting Adelman go.

Hmm...

bishop743 May 10, 2006 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
So the Kings are letting Adelman go.

Wow, very stupid move by the Kings here. Adelman is the winningest coach in that franchise's history. He brought that team from the gutter and made them into contenders. I'm sure someone else will pick him up though. I've been hearing rumors that Don Nelson is a candidate to take Adelman's place.

Rockgamer May 10, 2006 04:47 PM

I missed the Spurs game last night, so I was saddened to hear that they lost. However, since they lost by so much, I guess it was inevitable. From what you posted bishop, it sounds like the Mavs were in top shape, so they pretty much earned it.

This may turn out to be a pretty good series, possibly going to Game 7. But now we have to wait until Saturday for the next game. Oh well, at least we'll have two games each from the Clippers-Suns series and the Heat-Nets series during that time.

bishop743 May 10, 2006 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RockgamerXIII
I missed the Spurs game last night, so I was saddened to hear that they lost. However, since they lost by so much, I guess it was inevitable. From what you posted bishop, it sounds like the Mavs were in top shape, so they pretty much earned it.

I still take the Spurs to win this series. The Spurs, along with the Pistons, are the best teams on the road. So, even though they lost home-court advantage, they are fully capable of getting it right back in Game 3. I'm hearing that both Manu and Duncan have some nagging injuries, though. If that's the case, this series may be an uphill climb for them.

Rockgamer May 10, 2006 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
I'm hearing that both Manu and Duncan have some nagging injuries, though. If that's the case, this series may be an uphill climb for them.

Yeah, I know Duncan had a foot injury, and I believe Manu had injured his shin. They said they were trying to rely on Duncan less because of his foot, but considering how many points he's still getting you wouldn't really notice.

Timberwolf May 10, 2006 07:27 PM

Kind of choppy.

http://www.filelodge.com/files/room1...DunkOnNash.gif

nazpyro May 10, 2006 09:18 PM

Kobe. Ownage.

I was gonna tune to the game, but it's just boring when games are blowouts. The first quarter of the Suns-Clippers game will be fun. If it's close, I'll keep it on; otherwise, I'll... meh, cry. Why not?

Timberwolf May 10, 2006 09:34 PM

Yeah, I'm also waiting for the Suns-Clippers game. The Heat-Nets game is just about over ... blowouts aren't fun to watch.

bishop743 May 11, 2006 06:48 AM

Wow, the Game 2 matchups between the Nets-Heat and Clippers-Suns was the exact opposite of how things went in Game 1. The Heat were scorching last night. That game was over halfway through the first quarter. Also, down three-headed monster of Brand, Mobley and Cassell came up huge for the Clippers. Both games were pretty boring and uininteresting to watch though.

Thanks for the animated pic, T-Wolf.

Also, Chris Paul won ROTY. Like ANYONE was suprised by that. Dude had the award on lock a week into the season. Congrats to him.

Timberwolf May 11, 2006 09:28 PM

Yeah Chris Paul had the thing locked back in November. Still, congrats to him. Too bad the Hornets slipped out of the Playoff picture in the latter portion of the season.


So there's no game tonight. I just got home, and was wondering where my games at. Then I checked the schedule.

Blowout Playoff games are no fun to watch. I hope the second round gets better in a hurry.

bishop743 May 12, 2006 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Yeah Chris Paul had the thing locked back in November. Still, congrats to him. Too bad the Hornets slipped out of the Playoff picture in the latter portion of the season.

Not only is he a great player but he also has great personality and character. I saw an interview with him on Jim Rome is Burning a couple days ago and he was asked about his feelings on people saying his rookie season was better than Magic's when he won the championship that year. He was very humble and said that that was going way too far, and he pointed out that Magic carried his team to a title that year and played pretty much every position on the team at some point.

He's the type of guy that I'd love to have as the face of my franchise.


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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Blowout Playoff games are no fun to watch. I hope the second round gets better in a hurry.

Yeah man, I hate that too. I hope tonight's games are a lot more competitive.

--------------------------

Also, the 2005-2006 NBA All-Defensive teams were announced. Here's the breakdown:

2005-06 NBA ALL-DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM
Position Player, Team 1st 2nd Points
Guard Bruce Bowen, San Antonio 26 3 55
Center Ben Wallace, Detroit 26 2 54
Forward Andrei Kirilenko, Utah 19 6 44
Forward Ron Artest, Sacramento 11 8 30
Guard Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 12 4 28
Guard Jason Kidd, New Jersey 9 10 28


2005-06 NBA ALL-DEFENSIVE SECOND TEAM
Position Player, Team 1st 2nd Points
Forward Tim Duncan, San Antonio 7 9 23
Guard Chauncey Billups, Detroit 7 9 23
Forward Kevin Garnett, Minnesota 4 10 18
Center Marcus Camby, Denver 2 11 15
Forward Tayshaun Prince, Detroit 3 7 13

Timberwolf May 12, 2006 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
Also, the 2005-2006 NBA All-Defensive teams were announced. Here's the breakdown:

2005-06 NBA ALL-DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM
Position Player, Team 1st 2nd Points
Guard Bruce Bowen, San Antonio 26 3 55
Center Ben Wallace, Detroit 26 2 54
Forward Andrei Kirilenko, Utah 19 6 44
Forward Ron Artest, Sacramento 11 8 30
Guard Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 12 4 28
Guard Jason Kidd, New Jersey 9 10 28


2005-06 NBA ALL-DEFENSIVE SECOND TEAM
Position Player, Team 1st 2nd Points
Forward Tim Duncan, San Antonio 7 9 23
Guard Chauncey Billups, Detroit 7 9 23
Forward Kevin Garnett, Minnesota 4 10 18
Center Marcus Camby, Denver 2 11 15
Forward Tayshaun Prince, Detroit 3 7 13

Jason Kidd All-Defensive First Team? That is wack. I want to know which nine idiots gave him first place votes.

Kevin Garnett All-Defensive Second Team? What is wrong with the system.

bishop743 May 12, 2006 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Jason Kidd All-Defensive First Team? That is wack. I want to know which nine idiots gave him first place votes.

Kevin Garnett All-Defensive Second Team? What is wrong with the system.

lol yeah, seriously. These voters don't see to have a clue. Outside of your points, I don't really have any other problems with the selections. I might have opted to swap Tayshaun Prince and Ron Artest though, since Artest missed a chunk of the season and Tayshuan's played all year for the best team in the league.

Timberwolf May 12, 2006 10:04 AM

Yeah, Tayshaun Prince is one of the best defenders in this league. His season stats (blocks and steals) don't tell the story of just how great he is defensively. He gets his long arms in the passing lanes, and alters so many shots.

bishop743 May 13, 2006 08:53 AM

Well, last night's games were a lot closer this time around. The Heat-Nets game was pretty close throughout until the Heat began to pull away at the end. Vince Carter had a huge game with 43 points but it wasn't enough as the Heat took a 2-1 lead in the series. The Clippers looked like they were gonna win last night, but the Suns went on a huge run late in the 4th quarter to win the game and also take a 2-1 lead in their series. Steve Nash hit a fading jumping as the 24-second clock expired to ice it.

Goubot May 13, 2006 10:06 AM

All-Defense teams tend to lag a couple years based on reputation (Payton got it a few years ago and then was murdered by Billups in the Finals a few years later). Kidd has been a great defender over the years, but he's lost a step (he got his ass torched by Anthony Johnson ). I also have my misgivings on Artest, since he only really played half a season.

Lots of people wanted Bruce Bowen winning DPOTY as well. It'd be fairly impressive, since most of the winners have been shot blocking big men (Artest won it a few years ago, and I think Payton is one of the few guards within the last decade to win it). Bowen's lock-down defense is impressive, but I dunno. The fact that Wallace is always around to block shots and work the glass, is able to step out against guards, and generally scare the bejeezus out of anyone who comes near the basket seems more valuable to me.

Oh well. When do the All-NBA teams get announced?

Timberwolf May 13, 2006 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Goubot
All-Defense teams tend to lag a couple years based on reputation (Payton got it a few years ago and then was murdered by Billups in the Finals a few years later). Kidd has been a great defender over the years, but he's lost a step (he got his ass torched by Anthony Johnson ). I also have my misgivings on Artest, since he only really played half a season.

Lots of people wanted Bruce Bowen winning DPOTY as well. It'd be fairly impressive, since most of the winners have been shot blocking big men (Artest won it a few years ago, and I think Payton is one of the few guards within the last decade to win it). Bowen's lock-down defense is impressive, but I dunno. The fact that Wallace is always around to block shots and work the glass, is able to step out against guards, and generally scare the bejeezus out of anyone who comes near the basket seems more valuable to me.

Oh well. When do the All-NBA teams get announced?

Ben Wallace is my choice. Wallace's defense is much more respected and legit around the league -- and around the media I'm sure -- than Bruce Bowen's is.

Bowen's tactics borderline dirty. He likes to crowd a player taking a jumpshot, and sometimes even plants his feet underneath the landing spot of the jumpshooter. It's a surefire way of making sure someone rolls an ankle.

And then there's crap like this ... (which I posted earlier in this thread)

http://www.filelodge.com/files/room1...BowenDirty.gif

bishop743 May 13, 2006 11:03 AM

I love how the media and a lot of NBA fans confuse Bowen's dirty, unprofessional play for good defense. I'm sure a lot of players in the league don't like or respect him, though.

In other news, Larry Hughes probably won't be in the lineup tonight for Game 3 between the Pistons and Cavs. His younger brother, Justin, died after battling complications from a 1997 heart transplant. The "I Am My Brother's Keeper" Hughes has tattooed on his neck was a tribute to him. He's back in St. Louis now. The funeral will be on Tuesday. Here's an article about it: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...ory?id=2443157

Condolences go out to Larry Hughes and his family.

Timberwolf May 13, 2006 07:12 PM

Yeah, I read about Larry Hughes' brother. It's unfortunate.

The Cavaliers won one for him, though. Lebron came through huge in the fourth quarter, and finished with another triple-double.

http://www.nba.com/media/cavaliers/l...400_060513.jpg

bishop743 May 13, 2006 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Yeah, I read about Larry Hughes' brother. It's unfortunate.

The Cavaliers won one for him, though. Lebron came through huge in the fourth quarter, and finished with another triple-double.

http://www.nba.com/media/cavaliers/l...400_060513.jpg

Oh man, nice shot of that dunk. Yeah, the Cavs definitely won that one for Hughes. James took the game over in the 4th quarter. Yet another triple-double for him in this postseason..

The Mavs are up by 4 in the second quarter right now. Glad to see these games are getting closer.

Timberwolf May 13, 2006 08:44 PM

More:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...G3-Pregame.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...-R2G3-Dunk.jpg


So yes, the Spurs closed that gap in a hurry. Should be a good second half.

bishop743 May 13, 2006 10:48 PM

OSNAP! Great finish in the Spurs-Mavs game. It came down to the wire and had a couple lead changes in the last minute or so. Dirk hit some big free throws late to give his team the victory. Duncan fouling out definitely didn't help the Spurs. Devon Harris had another great game for Dallas too. They are up 2-1 in the series now. Again, great game.

Also, great pics there, T-Wolf.

T1249NTSCJ May 13, 2006 10:59 PM

Was anyone else surprised at Stackhouse's last 2 free throws. Considering he has been in the NBA for 10 yrs, you would think he would remember to hit the basket. :eyebrow: They came through in the end luckily, 2 seconds is more than enough time to get a shot off, luckily no more time outs. Should be a good series overall now that it's 2-1 Mavs. :)

bishop743 May 13, 2006 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by T1249NTSCJ
Was anyone else surprised at Stackhouse's last 2 free throws. Considering he has been in the NBA for 10 yrs, you would think he would remember to hit the basket. :eyebrow: They came through in the end luckily, 2 seconds is more than enough time to get a shot off, luckily no more time outs. Should be a good series overall now that it's 2-1 Mavs. :)

Oh man! Yeah, Stackhouse nearly cost his team the game, but they were able to pull it out. You expect more from an experienced, veteran player like that.

Timberwolf May 14, 2006 11:30 AM

Thanks, I'll post good photos as I come across them :)


In addition to Duncan's fouling out, that late turnover between Horry and Ginobili really, really hurt them.

Stackhouse's deliberate freethrow miss didn't draw iron, and gave the Spurs another shot. Too bad the inbounds pass lob was nearly impossible to catch cleanly.


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Originally Posted by bishop743
Oh man! Yeah, Stackhouse nearly cost his team the game, but they were able to pull it out. You expect more from an experienced, veteran player like that.

Dirk didn't hold back in the immediate post game interview with ABC. He said Stackhouse, being a 10-year vet, should've known to draw iron, and that he didn't know what the hell Stackhouse was thinking. Hahaha.

nazpyro May 14, 2006 06:19 PM

Man. The last games have been very close and the post-reports all make it seem very exciting. Too bad I've been in and out of labs all week. Hell, yo. I caught the end of the Dallas/SA game and that was fun. Even fucking Cleveland won... wtf. That's not happening again.

bishop743 May 15, 2006 07:09 AM

Pretty good games last night, especially the Suns-Clippers game. The Clippers had a sizeable lead in the 4th quarter, then the Suns reeled off a 12-0 run and had the lead cut to just one. But then SAM I AM took the game over and catapulted the Clips to the victory and a 2-2 series with Phoenix. Steve Nash and Shawn Marion didn't play very well. Nash only had 8 points on 3-11 shooting and Marion only had 14 points. If it weren't for Raja Bell and Boris Diaw coming up huge, the Suns wouldn't have even been in the game.

The Heat took a grasp on their series with the Nets after beating them 102-92 in Game 4. Miami now has a 3-1 lead in the series. Antoine Walker, Udonis Haslem and Dwayne Wade all had 20+ points. Even though the Nets made a run in the 4th, J. Kidd's triple double wasn't enough, as the Heat pulled away in the end. Gary Payton hit a big 3-pointer late under pressure to seal the deal. As we saw in the Lakers-Suns series, it's not over till it's over, but I think the Heat will close the door on the Nets in Game 5.

Timberwolf May 15, 2006 09:49 PM

Cleveland just knotted the series at 2-2, with momentum and confidence going into Game 5.

Detroit still has homecourt advantage, though.

DragoonKain May 16, 2006 12:37 AM

I don't think Cleveland has a chance. Very overrated IMO. Detroit has not been playing their best this whole postseason pretty much. I don't know what's up with them, but they are playing down to Cleveland's level.

Rockgamer May 16, 2006 01:45 AM

Well, it will most likely be over for the Spurs soon, unless they can do what the Suns did in the last round and come back from being down 3-1. Well, the Spurs have never gotten past the second round after they won the championship the previous year, so this is nothing new really, I was just hoping that they wouldn't fall into that same pattern this year.

Timberwolf May 16, 2006 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SILBER-3
Well, the Spurs have never gotten past the second round after they won the championship the previous year, so this is nothing new really, I was just hoping that they wouldn't fall into that same pattern this year.

Interesting observation.

And, other than last year's Finals Game 7 win, The Spurs have lost every single game when facing elimination. They're not known as a comeback team.

nazpyro May 16, 2006 10:01 AM

LeBron's a fucking ass hole. Bitch needs to get stabbed.

Anyway, the Spurs/Mavs game, as the announcer said it, was "RIDICULOUS!" I have the Mavs going all the way for the NBA championship, which would be awesome. With they way they were playing, i.e. Jason Terry hitting every single ill-advised shot ever, there's no way they can lose. Hots.

bishop743 May 16, 2006 01:18 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, the GuaranSHEED WAS NOT FULFILLED!! Rasheed Wallace had a horrible shooting night AND he got hurt (nothing serious though). But, LeBron James and the Cavs pulled off an incredible victory last night. The Pistons couldn't hit the ocean in the 4th quarter. They looked.... mortal. The Cavs have nothing to lose in this series and everything to gain, so they are totally playing that way. The Pistons will still win this series, but they need to get a reality check FAST!

The Mavs will now win this series over the Spurs now. Last night's game was the key for Dallas. Now that they garnered that victory, and have a 3-1 lead in the series, San Antonio seems to be up the creek without a paddle. The Spurs are the champs until they are taken out, but I do feel that the end is near.

Timberwolf May 17, 2006 12:57 AM

Suns and Clips currently slugging away in double-OT.

Is this a great series or what.

NYRSkate May 17, 2006 01:00 AM

Who would have ever thought that the two worst teams from the original NBA Jam would meet up in the Western finals?

Clippers need to sack up and take this game.

DragoonKain May 17, 2006 01:24 AM

Clippers blow it big-time. One hell of a game.

I think it'll go 7. Suns probably take it.

bishop743 May 17, 2006 07:10 AM

The Miami Heat advanced to the Eastern Conference Finals for the second straight season last night. This is Pat Riley's first trip to the Eastern Finals in 9 years when the Bulls owned him in 5 games. Now, who will be joining them there? The Pistons are favored of course, but I think tonight's game will decide who wins this series. If the Cavs win tonight IN Detroit, I think they take the series. However, I don't think that will happen. I'm sure the Pistons will show a sense of urgency and win this game convincingly tonight... then close the series out back in Cleveland.

The Suns-Clippers series has been very entertaining to watch. I definitely hope that this goes 7 games.

The defending champs are in a must-win situation tonight. Can they overcome their injuries and use their playoff experience to fight their way back into their series? We'll find out tonight.

Timberwolf May 17, 2006 08:57 PM

Cavaliers are for real. Up 3-2.


Now they have the Pistons' attention.

DragoonKain May 17, 2006 09:07 PM

Exactly what Detroit needed. Pistons in 7.

nazpyro May 17, 2006 09:15 PM

Wow. What the fuck. Whatever whatever. Either team gets crushed by Miami. Miami and Dallas for the Finals. That'll be awesome.

squaretex May 17, 2006 11:57 PM

*GASP*
*wheeze*
*choke*

Alright, Dallas and San Antonio need to STOP GIVING ME HEART ATTACKS!!! :p

Here's hoping Dallas puts it away for good on Friday...I don't know just how much of this intensity I can take...

p.s.
Oh...maybe if I gave results...
Spurs win by 1, 98-97.
Dallas holds the series lead, 3-2.
And yes, I want the Mavs to win. :)

Rockgamer May 18, 2006 01:59 AM

Well, the Spurs managed to squeek out a one point victory. I don't want to get my hopes up that the Spurs could still win the series (I'll wait and see if they can tie up the series at 3-3 before I do that), but I really hope they do. But with the series going back to Dallas for game six, it's gonna be even tougher for them to pull off another victory.

bishop743 May 18, 2006 07:01 AM

The Spurs lived to play another day behind Tim Duncan's huge game last night. The guy had 28 points at halftime, hitting his first 12 shots, and finished with 36 points. Parker came up big too with 27 points. Even though they lost, the Mavs are still in the driver's seat. They have to feel confident that they are still up in the series and only lost by one point in arguably the toughest building to play in. Dallas NEEDS to win Game 6 though. If they don't, Spurs will take it.

I'll be damned, I can't believe what I'm seeing in the Pistons-Cavs series. The Pistons are not playing like their usual experienced, veteran selves. Chauncey Billups fouls out and Rasheed Wallace gets a costly technical foul in the game. This is the first time all year that Detroit has lost 3 games in a row. Their offense has become quite anemic as well. The Pistons are a superb road team though so this series is far from over. They really need to find their swagger.... quick!

Also, the All-NBA teams have been annoucned:

2005-06 ALL-NBA FIRST TEAM
Position Player, Team 1st Points
Forward LeBron James, Cleveland (116) 610
Forward Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas (105) 584
Center Shaquille O’Neal, Miami (45) 402
Guard Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers (110) 597
Guard Steve Nash, Phoenix (106) 583


2005-06 ALL-NBA SECOND TEAM
Position Player, Team 1st Points
Forward Elton Brand, L.A. Clippers (15) 309
Forward Tim Duncan, San Antonio (17) 277
Center Ben Wallace, Detroit (44) 363
Guard Chauncey Billups, Detroit (21) 378
Guard Dwyane Wade, Miami (13) 373


2005-06 ALL-NBA THIRD TEAM
Position Player, Team 1st Points
Forward Shawn Marion, Phoenix (4) 270
Forward Carmelo Anthony, Denver 97
Center Yao Ming, Houston (30) 261
Guard Allen Iverson, Philadelphia (1) 104
Guard Gilbert Arenas, Washington 79 79

LeBron Jams led all recipients with the most first-place votes, followed by Kobe Bryant, then Steve Nash.

Timberwolf May 18, 2006 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bishop743

Also, the All-NBA teams have been annoucned:

2005-06 ALL-NBA FIRST TEAM
Position Player, Team 1st Points
Forward LeBron James, Cleveland (116) 610
Forward Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas (105) 584
Center Shaquille O’Neal, Miami (45) 402
Guard Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers (110) 597
Guard Steve Nash, Phoenix (106) 583


2005-06 ALL-NBA SECOND TEAM
Position Player, Team 1st Points
Forward Elton Brand, L.A. Clippers (15) 309
Forward Tim Duncan, San Antonio (17) 277
Center Ben Wallace, Detroit (44) 363
Guard Chauncey Billups, Detroit (21) 378
Guard Dwyane Wade, Miami (13) 373


2005-06 ALL-NBA THIRD TEAM
Position Player, Team 1st Points
Forward Shawn Marion, Phoenix (4) 270
Forward Carmelo Anthony, Denver 97
Center Yao Ming, Houston (30) 261
Guard Allen Iverson, Philadelphia (1) 104
Guard Gilbert Arenas, Washington 79 79

LeBron Jams led all recipients with the most first-place votes, followed by Kobe Bryant, then Steve Nash.


A lot of players deserving on this year's All-NBA Teams. But...


Iverson should be higher than the 3rd Team.

Duncan should be lower than the 2nd Team. He had his worst individual season of his career. If it weren't for Parker, the Spurs wouldn't have been as good as they've been this season. A case can be made that Duncan probably shouldn't even be on the list at all. That spot should've been given to Shawn Marion, Carmelo Anthony, or Kevin Garnett.

bishop743 May 18, 2006 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
A lot of players deserving on this year's All-NBA Teams. But...


Iverson should be higher than the 3rd Team.

Duncan should be lower than the 2nd Team. He had his worst individual season of his career. If it weren't for Parker, the Spurs wouldn't have been as good as they've been this season. A case can be made that Duncan probably shouldn't even be on the list at all. That spot should've been given to Shawn Marion, Carmelo Anthony, or Kevin Garnett.

To play devil's advocate, the reason for Duncan's "decline" can also be contributed to the acquisitions of guys like Michael Finley and Nick Van Exel. Alos, seeing how well Parker was playing, Popovich may have wanted to give him more plays and such in the offense. But trust, without Duncan, the Spurs would be nothing. He deserves to be on the 3rd team, at least. Carmelo's ineffectiveness in the playoffs probably hindered him from getting on either the 2nd or 1st team. They may say that these awards are for the regular season, but since these things come out after the playoffs have started, I'm sure some voters look at that as well.

Kevin Garnett had another stellar year, as usual. He didn't get as high because of how bad his team was this year. It's crazy, really. The guy turns 30 tomorrow. It only seems like yesterday that he was coming out of college. As much as you may disagree or go against it T-Wolf, I really hope the Timberwolves do the right thing and trade him this summer. He's done all he can do for that franchise. When it comes right down to it, the management didn't do a good enough job of putting guys around him to make a championship team. So, please move him and start rebuilding. He's a humble, devoted, class act. I don't want him to finish his career without a ring.

Timberwolf May 19, 2006 08:17 AM

They're not your daddy's Paper Clips.

3-3.






Quote:

Originally Posted by bishop743
To play devil's advocate, the reason for Duncan's "decline" can also be contributed to the acquisitions of guys like Michael Finley and Nick Van Exel. Alos, seeing how well Parker was playing, Popovich may have wanted to give him more plays and such in the offense. But trust, without Duncan, the Spurs would be nothing. He deserves to be on the 3rd team, at least. Carmelo's ineffectiveness in the playoffs probably hindered him from getting on either the 2nd or 1st team. They may say that these awards are for the regular season, but since these things come out after the playoffs have started, I'm sure some voters look at that as well.

That's true. Parker, Finley, and Van Exel have taken a lot of the burden off Duncan. Duncan had also been slowed by nagging injuries this season, so maybe that contributed to his being a little off this season.

It's kind of weird not seeing him on that 1st Team, which he's been on previously all eight years of his career.

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Originally Posted by bishop743
Kevin Garnett had another stellar year, as usual. He didn't get as high because of how bad his team was this year. It's crazy, really. The guy turns 30 tomorrow. It only seems like yesterday that he was coming out of college. As much as you may disagree or go against it T-Wolf, I really hope the Timberwolves do the right thing and trade him this summer. He's done all he can do for that franchise. When it comes right down to it, the management didn't do a good enough job of putting guys around him to make a championship team. So, please move him and start rebuilding. He's a humble, devoted, class act. I don't want him to finish his career without a ring.

KG's streak (and NBA record) of 20-10-5 ended this year. His assists were down this season, due to the fact that the Timberwolves no longer had jumpshooters to hit shots when KG kicked it out of double-teams. Wally's gone. Hoiberg's gone. Troy Hudson's hurt.

Instead, they had slashing-type players like Ricky Davis and Rashaad McCants, who would drive the ball after KG passed to them, and nullifying the assist.

Other than the lower assists, KG still had a terrific individual year. He shot a career-high 52.6% from the field, and still led the league in rebounding after a slow start this year.

It's his birthday today. Da Kid is 30 years old.

bishop743 May 19, 2006 08:35 AM

I just knew the Suns-Clippers series was gonna go 7 games. Right now, it's a toss up for me as to who I think will win. Being that there will be 3 days between now and Game 7, Nash will have some time to re-charge. He looked totally gassed out last night. Quinton Ross was completely abusing him down on the block. Elton Brand had a stellar game as usual. I dunno.... I have no idea who to take in Game 7.

Two HUGE games tonight. Both Finals representatives from last year are trying to stave off elimination. Not having Jason Terry in the lineup is a huge loss for the Mavs. I still think they have enough to win without him though. I'm more interested in the Pistons-Cavs game. All year, Detroit has been the team to beat, now they're looking like a JV team out there. If the Cavs can find a way to win, it would be one of the biggest upsets in NBA playoff history.


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Originally Posted by bishop743
It only seems like yesterday that he was coming out of college.

I made a mistake. I meant to say "out of high school" there. My bad.

Happy Birthday to KG!

Rockgamer May 20, 2006 12:16 AM

Now I can get my hopes up! That was an alright game all throughout, but especially in the last few minutes. It had me on the edge of my seat.

If the Spurs can pull off a win on Monday, I'll probably be the happiest person on these here forums. The 24 season finale, the Alias series finale, and a win by the Spurs. Life couldn't get any better!

DragoonKain May 20, 2006 12:27 AM

Both teams that I thought would win tonight won. The Pistons still aren't playing their best, but played better at the end. I think the Pistons could blow out the Cavs in game 7, if they play like they should play and get behind the crowd. If not, nothing is a given, because the Pistons are playing like garbage.

I think the Mavs/Spurs game 7 will be down to the wire again. Either team could walk out of there, but I always take home teams in game 7's unless I think the home team is a total fraud.

Clippers/Suns game 7 should be fun as well. Again, either team could win this game. Again, I like the Suns for the same reason as above.

The way I see it is(and please share your's as well):

Most likely winner of all the game 7's: Pistons
Most likely road team to win: Mavs

Predictions: Pistons, Spurs, Suns.

bishop743 May 20, 2006 01:24 PM

Now that the Spurs are back in this series and have forced a Game 7, I think they will take the series now. I thought the injuries would be too much for them to overcome, but they have really shown their fortitude and playoff experience in these past two games. The Spurs are my pick to win that game.

Also, the Pistons really showed their toughness against Cleveland last night. They only had 3 offensive rebounds in the first 3 quarters of that game but added 8 more in the 4th quarter. That Detroit crowd is gonna be HOSTILE on Sunday. I can't wait. I hope the Pistons blow the Cavs out.

Timberwolf May 21, 2006 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bishop743
I hope the Pistons blow the Cavs out.


Aw, Game 7 blowouts are never fun for me to watch ... it's like anti-climactic.

I want the three Game 7's to be tightly contested and down-to-the-wire :)

bishop743 May 21, 2006 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Aw, Game 7 blowouts are never fun for me to watch ... it's like anti-climactic.

I want the three Game 7's to be tightly contested and down-to-the-wire :)

heh, sorry bro, doesn't look like you're gonna get your wish. :P It turned into a blowout late in the game. LeBron James has been horrible in the second half.

Timberwolf May 21, 2006 04:57 PM

Yeah, I'm watching it right now too.

Pistons are blowing this one wide open. Cavs can't buy a basket.

Ryuu May 21, 2006 10:06 PM

79-61?

Geez.


Lots of freethrows from when I watched (2nd quarter) - overall it wasn't a great 7th game. I wanted more excited but it ended up a lop-sided victory.

I miss buzzer-beater victories in the 7th game...

Rockgamer May 21, 2006 10:14 PM

Yep, nothing too exciting, especially for a Game 7. Hopefully the other two Game 7s turn out to be more exciting than this.

Frylock May 21, 2006 10:14 PM

Lots of boring basketball. It just ain't the same without the lakers in the mix. I just hope to GAWD that we dont get the Spurs and Pistons in the finals again where the outcome of the series will be determined by freethrow desperaty. Tomorrow's game 7 will be much better, though. fo suuure.

Goubot May 21, 2006 11:29 PM

Whew (Pistons fan here).

I knew they'd pull it off, but sometimes I think they stop trying in the middle of important games in order to give me heart attacks. They've dug holes like this before, but they always seem to get out of them. I really hate it when they stop trying, since I think they probably could've gotten closer to 66-68 games this season if they hadn't flipped the switch to off, but that doesn't matter as much as a championship in the end.

Yeah, the Pistons-Cavs game 7 wasn't too exciting, but they had to show that their trademark defense still existed (hey guys, .31 field goal percentage). It's not what makes for legendary playoff basketball, but it was a statement to the rest of the teams still in the playoffs.

I can't feel too bad for LeBron here, though. What he's done at 21 (won a playoff series, made the best team in the league sweat out a game 7) is just amazing. And you know that bastard's going to run off with championships and MVPs down the line, so sorry if I can't sympathize here. But damn, that team is going to be a nightmare if they get shooters that aren't so streaky and some defenders.

The game 7s in the Western semis should be pretty exciting. I'm looking forward to a great day of basketball tomorrow. Hoping that the Spurs and Clippers (c'mon, the franchise deserves a damn break) win tomorrow. That'll bring it one step closer to the grudge Finals rematch I've been waiting for. I'll grant that the first four games in last year's finals kinda sucked, but games 5 and 7 were just great (even though the Pistons lost both. Grah).

If the Spurs and the Suns win, the teams in the conference finals will be the exact same as last year, which is kinda weird. Has that happened before?

bishop743 May 22, 2006 07:34 AM

The Pistons are a juggernaut, but if they play against the Heat the way they did against the Cavs, they won't be making it to their 3rd straight NBA Final. What's amazing is, since 2003, the Pistons are 11-1 in playoff elimination games. That one loss, of course, coming at the hands of the Spurs in Game 7 of the finals last year (a game that they should have won, btw). That's an incredible stat. As far as LeBron James goes, he had a great rookie playoff campaign.

Tonight's Game 7 matchups are surely going to be more exciting and entertaining. I still don't know who to take in the Suns-Clippers game, but I'm pretty confident that the Spurs will defeat the Mavs tonight. Even with Jason Terry back in the Dallas lineup, I think the experience and savvy of that San Antonio team will pay huge dividends for them down the stretch tonight.

Timberwolf May 22, 2006 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
The Pistons are a juggernaut, but if they play against the Heat the way they did against the Cavs, they won't be making it to their 3rd straight NBA Final. What's amazing is, since 2003, the Pistons are 11-1 in playoff elimination games. That one loss, of course, coming at the hands of the Spurs in Game 7 of the finals last year (a game that they should have won, btw). That's an incredible stat. As far as LeBron James goes, he had a great rookie playoff campaign.

11-1 in elimination games, with the sole loss being last year Game 7 Finals loss -- that IS really incredible.

I remember all these Pistons comebacks. Remember back in 2003, when they were down 3-1 to the Orlando Magic, and Tracy McGrady was already looking and talking about the next round. Man, T-Mac got owned when the Pistons won it in 7.

Goubot May 22, 2006 12:32 PM

They were down 3-2 against the Nets on route to their championship as well. And they recovered last year after going down 2-1 to the Pacers and 3-2 to the Heat. They're just incredibly resilient.

And I remember that series against Orlando. McGrady was an absolute beast the first few games.

Speaking of McGrady, here's hoping that he makes a recovery from his injuries (same with Amare). I always hate to see great players have their careers cut short by injuries (Grant Hill was one of my favorites for a long time. He'd probably be a Hall of Famer if not for injuries. Same probably goes for Penny Hardaway).

Timberwolf May 22, 2006 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Goubot
Speaking of McGrady, here's hoping that he makes a recovery from his injuries (same with Amare). I always hate to see great players have their careers cut short by injuries (Grant Hill was one of my favorites for a long time. He'd probably be a Hall of Famer if not for injuries. Same probably goes for Penny Hardaway).

McGrady's back is a chronic problem. He probably doesn't have too many years left in him -- even he has said so himself.

It's too bad. Because T-Mac, when healthy, is a damn beast. He gets more lift on those jumpshots than anybody I've ever seen, even on shots from way beyond the arc -- he shoots 30-foot bombs like he's shooting regular jumpers. His arms are insanely long, and he's got massive hands. He's got a blindingly quick first step, and sick athleticism. The only weakness in his game is his defense, which is more of a mental thing than physical.

I smell an animated .gif coming...


http://www.filelodge.com/files/room1...kOnBradley.gif


I always tell people that the Raptors kept the wrong cousin.

December 9th, 2004 - Rockets vs. Spurs: One of the most amazing things I'd ever seen in basketball.



Edit: This is not McGrady related. But does anyone love the TNT crew as much as I do. Peanut butter jelly time ... Peanut butter jelly time...

DragoonKain May 22, 2006 04:45 PM

TNT crew is great. Charles is one of my favorite all-time people in sports. Kenny Smith is great and Ernie Johnson isn't bad either.

Plus the announcers and analysts are top notch as well.

Rockgamer May 22, 2006 04:54 PM

Yeah, I always try to watch games on TNT when they available on the channel. The only time I'll watch another channel over them is when a local station is covering a Spurs game, since they're always going for the Spurs while making their commentary (plus, Sean Elliot is usually always one of the commentators).

bishop743 May 22, 2006 05:19 PM

I love the TNT crew. They all bring great chemistry to the broadcast. Also, I really like that Charles Barkley is brutally honest and outspoken with his opinions. Very few announcers, broadcasters, reporters, ect. are like that.

Goubot May 22, 2006 05:37 PM

Barkley is awesome and the whole crew has good chemistry and a lot of inside jokes (Kenny Smith gloating over having rings, stuff like that). I don't think any of them are particularly insightful (especially Magic, who likes to spout cliches left and right), but they're definitely entertaining.

For in game commentating, I like former coaches a lot, especially ones that will explain to you the sets that teams are running. Hubie Brown is especially good at this. Doug Collins usually knows what he's talking about as well.

On the flip side, I also think Bill Walton is really funny. Sure, he's a dumbass, but he's mostly around for entertainment value. His use of exaggeration is great. "That was the worst pass in the history of Western civilization!"
"That was the best dunk in the history of this franchise!", etc

bishop743 May 22, 2006 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Goubot
On the flip side, I also think Bill Walton is really funny. Sure, he's a dumbass, but he's mostly around for entertainment value. His use of exaggeration is great. "That was the worst pass in the history of Western civilization!"
"That was the best dunk in the history of this franchise!", etc

haha, yeah Bill Walton is hilarous at times. I also crack up when he uses his trademark "HORRRRRRRRRIBLE!!!". Hubie Brown and Doug Collins are very knowledgeable of the game and they are great as commentators. Steve Kerr and Reggie Miller are getting pretty good as well. I miss John Thompson though.

Jim Huber's features are nice as well.

DragoonKain May 22, 2006 06:27 PM

Bill Walton is the king of exaggerations. Everything to him is the worst _____ in the history of the NBA.

Tim Thomas took a shot against the Lakers that Bill Walton said something like "That was the worst shot in the history of the playoffs." Yea, ok Bill, lol.

Goubot May 22, 2006 07:46 PM

Okay, the Mavs are just torching the Spurs (shooting 85% as of this post). This is ridiculous, no one shoots that high on the Spurs for an extended period of time. It can't really keep up. I think.

In spite of that, the Spurs are only down 14 because they've been to the line so often. This hot shooting is probably a fluke, but I'm not so sure now.

squaretex May 22, 2006 09:03 PM

...and then the third period happened. Yikes. Spurs went CRAZY!

The Mavs got a BIT of their lead back, but THAT was pretty scary.

Whew...whether I'll be elated by a Mavs win or saddened by a Spurs win...I'm gonna be EXHAUSTED. What a show this series has been. :)

Goubot May 22, 2006 09:49 PM

Daaaaaaaaaamn. Watching the Spurs come back from that deficit was highly entertaining. Great basketball here. God damn it, this should be the conference finals. The current playoff seeding is ridiculous.

Rockgamer May 22, 2006 09:49 PM

Damn, I come from the excitement of the 24 finale to the excitement of this game! Overtime? Man, I don't think I can last that long! I'm already worn out from that 4th quarter!

squaretex May 22, 2006 10:15 PM

OH.
WOW.

Yeah, it took an overtime, but...

Finally.
FINALLY.

The Mavericks win over the Spurs, 119-111.

Can't say too much, because - as predicted - I'm WORN OUT. So...I will leave with a silly joke instead.

How was this series comparable to a great suspense novel?
It kept you guessing until the very end.

MAVS! MAVS! MAVS!
:D

DragoonKain May 22, 2006 10:19 PM

So far everything is pretty much going like I thought. I took the Spurs to win but I said the Mavs had the best chance to win on the road and pull the upset.

The Mavs are just an overall better team. I don't want the Mavs to win it all though, something about that team just seems so undeserving of a championship. Maybe it's because their fans didn't know what the Mavs were until Dirk came to the team. I don't know.

Great game though.

squaretex May 22, 2006 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DragoonKain
I don't want the Mavs to win it all though, something about that team just seems so undeserving of a championship. Maybe it's because their fans didn't know what the Mavs were until Dirk came to the team.

Well, I think the team does deserve it. But after visiting the GameFAQs sports board (yeah, big mistake) and seeing how idiotic some Mavs fans can be, I can see your point there.

We just need to separate a great team from it's troublesome fanbase a bit. ;)

bishop743 May 22, 2006 10:54 PM

The Mavs really showed me something tonight. They led virtually the entire game on the road, in the toughest building to play in. Not only that, when Ginobili hit that 3-pointer to give the Spurs their first lead of the game and a 3 point lead, they didn't lose their composure or force a tough shot. Nowitzki took it right to the rim for an AND-1. Dallas showed a lot of heart and determination. They deserve to be in the Western Finals.

Much love to the Spurs though for making it a game late and getting it to a Game 7 in the first place. Their accomplishment shouldn't go unacknowledged either.

Rockgamer May 22, 2006 11:15 PM

Well, my team lost. They definitely had a good run though, so I'm not too upset.

I don't think the Mavs will win the Championship, though. Even if they manage to be the Western Conference Champs (though I doubt even that), I don't think they'll be able to get past either of the two teams left in the East. They should definitely be proud of how far they've gotten this year though, so even if they don't win I'll still say congratulations to them (though not to Mark Cuban, as he can go fuck himself).

DragoonKain May 22, 2006 11:20 PM

I agree with that. The Mavs will probably find a way to choke. They usually do.

Goubot May 22, 2006 11:42 PM

Dallas can take down the Clippers fairly easily. Phoenix might make them sweat, but Dallas can definitely win that if it comes down to it. I'm thinking it'll come to Dallas and Detroit in the Finals, and I'm not really sure who would win that one (my confidence in the Pistons is shaken after that Cavs series). If it comes to Miami and Dallas, I'd favor Dallas.

I can't really see hating the Mavs too much outside of Mark Cuban (who is a total ass). Nowitzki took lumps for critisizing his teammates after last year, and I could see disliking him for that. The team itself is impressive for its depth, and any one guy can be crazy hot. I just hope they don't play so well that they end up beating my Pistons, but one step at a time...

EDIT: And Phoenix is up 15 right now, so it looks more and more like a Mavs/Suns WCF. That'll be a pretty fun shootout, methinks.

squaretex May 23, 2006 12:23 AM

Phoenix wins, 127-107.

Nice impression of Lavos they gave there...
"Destruction rains down from the heavens!" ;)

I don't know if this series will be as nail-biting and heart-attack-causing as Maverics-Spurs, but at least it looks like it'll be fun. :)

DragoonKain May 23, 2006 12:30 AM

I can't see how the Mavs lose this series, but I just can't see the Mavs winning a title.

I think if the Mavs play Detroit in the Finals, then Detroit wins, and if the Mavs play the Heat it could really go either way with a slight edge to the Mavs.

I don't see any way the Suns can take it all.

bishop743 May 23, 2006 06:45 AM

The gap between how good the Western Conference was and how bad the Eastern Conference was several years back is long gone now. Of the 4 teams remaining, I don't see either of the two West teams remaining being able to beat either of the teams from the East. Basically, I'm saying that whoever comes out of the East will win the championship.

The Clippers just didn't show up defensively last night. The Suns were not only getting great looks from beyond the arc but also getting easy points under at the basket. Steve Nash also played a whole lot better than he did in Game 6. The days off probably helped him out a great deal. The Suns beat the Mavs last year in the playoffs but I think the tides will turn this year. I take the Mavs in yet another 7-game series.

tsugaru7reveng May 23, 2006 07:01 AM

I don't like it when a team that isn't the Kings/ Pacers (fanboyism go Peja/ former team lol) win the playoffs consecutive times. It makes me hate the team more, like I am now with the Lakers, Pistons and Spurs. (yay Mavs win)

Now, the four teams are ghey (as in they're too popular and I hate 'em), but I'm going for the Suns if I had to choose. (Well, I like the Suns anyway)

Goubot May 23, 2006 07:08 AM

Quote:

The gap between how good the Western Conference was and how bad the Eastern Conference was several years back is long gone now. Of the 4 teams remaining, I don't see either of the two West teams remaining being able to beat either of the teams from the East. Basically, I'm saying that whoever comes out of the East will win the championship.
I dunno about that. It may apply to the top of the leagues, when whoever came out of the West would become clear favorites to stomp on the jokers of the East, but the middle and bottom of the East on average is still much worse than the Western conference (remember, many of the playoff qualifiers this year were below .500 for much of the playoff race). The last couple years, the winners of the Eastern conference were pretty much written off (Detroit, New Jersey, Philly), but Detroit has emerged as at least one of the big dogs.

I've never figured out why there's such a big disparity between the conferences, but it's been the case for a while now. Maybe it's just a reversal of the dominance of the Jordan Bulls. My guess is that the situation will reverse again as the East accumulates star draft picks.

bishop743 May 23, 2006 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Goubot
I dunno about that. It may apply to the top of the leagues, when whoever came out of the West would become clear favorites to stomp on the jokers of the East, but the middle and bottom of the East on average is still much worse than the Western conference (remember, many of the playoff qualifiers this year were below .500 for much of the playoff race). The last couple years, the winners of the Eastern conference were pretty much written off (Detroit, New Jersey, Philly), but Detroit has emerged as at least one of the big dogs.

I've never figured out why there's such a big disparity between the conferences, but it's been the case for a while now. Maybe it's just a reversal of the dominance of the Jordan Bulls. My guess is that the situation will reverse again as the East accumulates star draft picks.

I'm not talking about the middle or bottom-feeders of the conferences. I mean, come on, the Kings were the 8th seed this year for the West. If they had that record and were in the East, they'd be a 5th seed. So yeah, as a whole, the West is still dominant over the East, but I'm talking about the top teams in each conference. Detroit, Miami and New Jersey are better than the Suns, Mavs and Clippers in my view. Why? Because those teams in the East play defense. It's cliche, but it's true, defense wins championships. The Suns and Mavs are all about run and gun... and not very much defense. So, in a 7-game series, I'm definitely taking Miami or Detriot over the Suns or Mavs.

Before the Pistons bitchslapped the Lakers 2 years ago, pretty much everyone felt that whoever came out of the West was gonna win the championship. That has completely changed and that's what I was referring to. But yeah, I get your point.

Timberwolf May 23, 2006 02:09 PM

Okay, so I'm a little late to this thread, since I just finished watching the two Game 7's on tape delay. So, the Western Conference Finals will be the Mavericks-Suns. Should be another exciting series.

Does anyone else find Jason Terry annoying when he talks.


My predictions for the Conference Finals:

Pistons-Heat: Pistons in seven
Mavericks-Suns: Mavericks in six

bishop743 May 23, 2006 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Does anyone else find Jason Terry annoying when he talks.

To be honest, I have never really listened to him. What's so annoying about him?

Timberwolf May 23, 2006 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
To be honest, I have never really listened to him. What's so annoying about him?

It's the way he forcefully spits out words, there's so much arrogance and pomp there. I just can't stand his halftime/postgame interviews.

DragoonKain May 23, 2006 04:37 PM

I'll say Pistons in 6 and Mavs in 6.

Then Pistons in 7.

Goubot May 23, 2006 04:43 PM

I didn't like Terry much from the interviews I saw yesterday, but a lot of NBA players end up spouting cliches or come off as overly arrogant in interviews. Though, I guess there are the guys who always downplay themselves. I'm struggling to think of a player who gives interesting interviews right now.

Timberwolf May 23, 2006 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Goubot
I'm struggling to think of a player who gives interesting interviews right now.

Off the top of my head ... Manu Ginobili, Andrei Kirilenko, Shaquille O'Neal, Tracy McGrady, Kevin Garnett, Allen Iverson, Kobe Bryant, Ron Artest, Rasheed Wallace. Even Tim Duncan can be quite funny when he wants to be.

And none of these guys come off as obnoxious as Jason Terry.

bishop743 May 23, 2006 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Even Tim Duncan can be quite funny when he wants to be.

heh, I like how Tim Duncan looks, acts and talks the same way whether it's after a Game 7 win or a Game 7 loss. His demeanor.. like.. never changes. But yeah, he can be funny and engaging when he wants to be.

I enjoy Shaq and Sheed's interviews as well.

Timberwolf May 23, 2006 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
heh, I like how Tim Duncan looks, acts and talks the same way whether it's after a Game 7 win or a Game 7 loss. His demeanor.. like.. never changes. But he can be funny and engaging when he wants to be.

Yeah, Duncan's teammates can attest to the fact that Duncan indeed has a sense of humor. He doesn't show it around the media, around whom he shows little emotion. But he supposedly is a funny and intelligent person.

DragoonKain May 23, 2006 10:03 PM

I keep picking the Pistons and they keep playing like crap. I'm not picking them ever again.

Ryuu May 23, 2006 11:50 PM

Heat in Five, if I'm still allowed to make predictions.

Great game today - Heat vs. Pistons - Wade did great as always. Shooting percentage for the pistons (something like 38%) was horrible.

bishop743 May 24, 2006 07:18 AM

The Heat totally outplayed the Pistons last night. Maybe the Pistons were still lagging from that Game 7, I dunno. They were down big, came back to take the lead for a little bit, then let it get away from them a second time. Dwayne Wade was very efficient from the field, scoring 25 points on only 11 shots. Even though Shaq didn't have one of his monster games, guys like Alonzo Mourning and Gary Payton came up huge off the bench.

This ain't gonna be like last year. Miami is healthy and sizzling right now. I still think this is a 6 or 7 game series though. Even though Detroit played poorly, they still were in the game late and had opportunities to get over the hump. I think they make the necessary adjustments and tie the series in Game 2.

Timberwolf May 24, 2006 10:04 PM

Poor Josh Howard:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUHIfOicCbU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLV3a4CgYLE

nazpyro May 25, 2006 01:15 AM

Caught the conclusion of the Suns/Mavs game.. (man, I've been out of this thread for way too long).

Holy crap, this is the awesomeness I was expecting out of this series. It's gonna be a fun one, and I like both teams. I don't really care who makes it to the finals, but I have been picking Dallas since the beginning [of time].

Miami, Detroit... this will be up and done I think. I expect some big victories and then the close ones will be mad heated. That Game 1 was some weak sauce though. It really seemed like Detroit just gave up in the end: a 2-possession game with 15 seconds left. Sure one intentional foul wasn't called, but they just stopped. Oh well, no one likes the Pistons anyway.

bishop743 May 25, 2006 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf

haha, damn cuz, now that's messed up.


So... you have a 9 point lead with just under 4 min left in the game. 9 times out 10, you can go ahead and mark that down as a "W". But, uh uh, not against the Suns and that offense. They completely exploded in those last few minutes. Steve Nash hit some huge shots but it was Boris Diaw who won the game for him. He's really come into his own during this playoff run. He had a good regular season and now he's stepping up even more in the postseason. Overall, the game was very exciting and entertaining. This series is gonna be a fun one to watch.

Timberwolf May 25, 2006 08:41 AM

Man, most improved player Boris Diaw came up huge -- and clutch -- with a career high 34 points.

Awesome.

Double Post:
Pistons tied it up. Heat still has homecourt advantage, though.



Non-Playoff related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf90YzWV42E

Frylock May 26, 2006 10:30 PM

David Hasselhoff should be banned from all sporting events.

Timberwolf May 27, 2006 08:35 PM

I just found out that Keith Van Horn is pocketing nearly $16 million this year.

That's just about as much as Kobe Bryant and Tim Duncan.

That's almost $2 million more than Dirk Nowitzki.

That's $7 million more than league MVP Steve Nash.

That's $12 million more than Lebron James.


I wish I could make $16 million playing 13.8 minutes a game in the Playoffs while averaging 5.6 points, 2.0 rebounds, 0.4 assists, 3.4 fouls, and shooting 34.5% from the field.

Rockgamer May 27, 2006 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
I wish I could make $16 million playing 13.8 minutes a game in the Playoffs while averaging 5.6 points, 2.0 rebounds, 0.4 assists, 3.4 fouls, and shooting 34.5% from the field.

No kidding! I wonder what made him worth so much in the first place?

Goubot May 27, 2006 10:06 PM

Van Horn's first few years in New Jersey were pretty promising, so they gave him like a 73 million dollar contract extension. Naturally, he hasn't come close to being worth that much, but I'm guessing they thought he would evolve into a superstar instead of just a decent player.

There are probably worse contracts out there.

EDIT: Not surprisingly, many of the worst are/have been Knicks. Brian Grant is getting 16 mil, Anfernee Hardaway is getting 15.75 mil, Jalen Rose is getting 15.7 mil, Eddie Jones is making 14.56 mil, Tim Thomas is making 14.36 mil (he's been great in the playoffs though), Antonio Davis is getting 13.86 mil.

This doesn't include those cut by the amnesty thing. Most of the rest making top dollar are the real deal, though some are probably overrated by their salaries.

Ryuu May 27, 2006 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
I wish I could make $16 million playing 13.8 minutes a game in the Playoffs while averaging 5.6 points, 2.0 rebounds, 0.4 assists, 3.4 fouls, and shooting 34.5% from the field.

I do too. Wow.



And yay. Heat win, they're up 2-1 now. Shaq showed up hard in this game: 27 points, 2 steals and 12 rebounds.

Timberwolf May 28, 2006 09:32 AM

And then you have bargain players who make very little money (relative to the league average of about $4 million): Boris Diaw makes $1.1 million this year. Tayshaun Prince makes $1.8 million (but it'll be a nice $7.8 million next season).



Random quotes:

"For some reason I could never play well against Popeye Jones. I have no idea why, but he just kicked my butt every time we played."
-- Charles Barkley

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/images/basketb...layers/834.jpg


"For the Clippers, three guys are the...ka, key. Kaman has to play well. That means that the tempo can slow in the terms of for the Clippers. Also, Cassell and Mobley has to have a good game as well."
-- Magic Johnson, on TNT

Goubot May 28, 2006 05:37 PM

Those are rookie contracts, to be fair. Those contracts vary by the position in the draft (so first pick would earn more than the second pick and so on) and I think the amounts are set, so naturally there'd be bargains (and stinkers, conversely). Off the top of my head, a good bargain that isn't a rookie contract is Chauncey Billups, who is making 5.90 million this year.

Timberwolf May 28, 2006 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Goubot
Those are rookie contracts, to be fair. Those contracts vary by the position in the draft (so first pick would earn more than the second pick and so on) and I think the amounts are set, so naturally there'd be bargains (and stinkers, conversely). Off the top of my head, a good bargain that isn't a rookie contract is Chauncey Billups, who is making 5.90 million this year.

Yeah, I know rookies sign for contracts based on their draft position. But I just wanted to point out the general salary disparity in the NBA, which is messed up.

You're right about Billups. He should be making Van Horn money.

bishop743 May 30, 2006 06:46 AM

I don't want to say that the Pistons-Heat series is over but the Pistons-Heat series is over. Miami took a 3-1 lead in the series with an 89-78 victory last night. Shaq played very well and showed flashes of the great dominance he had back in the 2000 and 2001 seasons. And whatelse can be said about Dwayne Wade. The guy has a great first half, doesn't even take a shot in the 3rd quarter... then comes back and takes the game back over in the 4th quarter. That shot when he was falling away from the basket and flipped the ball up for an AND-1 was phemomenal. He's really letting the game come to him and his shooting efficiency is downright scary. Detroit has NO answer for him. Udonis Haslem played big as well.

It seems to me that Detroit has lost their defense swagger. They were able to get away with it (narrowly) against the Cavs, but against the Heat, it's just not cutting it. Miami has proven that they are the better team, with the better coach. Flip Saunders has not been preparing his team well defensively at all. I guess there is something to be said about Larry Brown and his coaching style.

Timberwolf May 30, 2006 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
That shot when he was falling away from the basket and flipped the ball up for an AND-1 was phemomenal. He's really letting the game come to him and his shooting efficiency is downright scary.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...-EFG4-And1.jpghttp://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...FG4-And1-2.jpg

Yeah, this guy is shooting %69.5 from the field in this series, not simply on drives. But also on fadeaways, and shots like ones above.

Amazing.

And did anyone enjoy Shaq's block-to-handle-the-ball-by-myself-coast-to-coast-for-a-layup as much as I did.

bishop743 May 30, 2006 11:37 AM

Thanks for the pics, T-Wolf.

Yeah, Shaq's one-man fast break for the layup was hilarious. Nobody wanted or dared to get in his way. He looked like a young fella out there.

Ryuu May 30, 2006 01:46 PM

OMG.

Amazing layup by Wade - great pics Timberwolf. I like the expressions on everyones' faces, priceless.


3-1 in favor of the Heat, looks like my prediction of the Heat taking it in five may be possible.

Timberwolf May 30, 2006 11:19 PM

Off topic again, but this is a great rebound by Nate Robinson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1MDCjkAjvo

bishop743 Jun 1, 2006 07:49 AM

It seems ilke everytime the Pistons have their backs against the wall and people are counting them out, they find a way to make something happen. This entire series their vaunted defense was nowhere to be found, but last night, it showed up with a vengeance. Even though Dwayne Wade didn't have a terrible game, per say, the Pistons did a great job of denying him the ball and trapping him whenever he did get it. Also, the Heat really shot themselves in the foot by shooting very poorly from the free throw line.

Detroit has to feel good about this victory. They didn't play so hot either. Tayshuan Prince was really the only guy who was consistent offensively. He hit a huge 3-pointer when a blocked shot when right to him. That shot gave them a 6-point lead late in the 4th quarter as the Heat were getting ack in the game.

Now the pressure is on the Miami Heat to close this series out in Miami on Friday. They definitely don't want a Game 7 in Detroit. It's still gonna be an uphill battle for the Pistons. They need to keep their defense running on all cylinders and they need more production offensively from Rasheed, Billups and Hamilton. I'm not ready to write them off just yet.

Timberwolf Jun 2, 2006 08:27 AM

Daaayam, Dirk's 22 points in the fourth quarter in a key Playoff game is impressive. 50 points for the game is awesome.

The Suns will need to win the next game to force yet another Game 7.

nazpyro Jun 2, 2006 10:04 AM

Haha, yeah. The Dallas/Phoenix is series is fun to watch. It's kinda sad when Phoenix needs to rely on Tim Thomas to stay in the game. I like both teams here, so I don't care too much who goes on. It'd be funny to see Phoenix go to 7 games in every round of the playoffs. It would be good for Dallas to make the Finals for the first time ever.

Actually, the Detroit/Miami series is fun too. Detroit also needs to force Game 7. Prince has been freaking ridiculous lately. But I'm rooting for Miami still.

bishop743 Jun 2, 2006 11:34 AM

When the Suns got 3 24-second violations in the first quarter, I thought it was going to be a long night for them. But they were able to overcome that and stay in the game, for the most part. Nowitzki, in the 4th quarter basically said, "Give me the damn ball and get out of my way!" He would not be denied. He had an incredible game. Man, if the Suns could find a way to force a Game 7 and win, that would be amazing. I don't remember the last time a team won 3 straight Game 7's ('course, up until a few years ago, the first round was a best of 5).

Borg1982 Jun 2, 2006 01:12 PM

If the Pistons lose, Detroit is really screwed.

Red wings #1 league seed lose playoffs.
Pistons #1 league seed lose playoffs.
And Tigers #1 league seed I bet will not goto finals.
(Lions just suck).

DragoonKain Jun 2, 2006 03:40 PM

I know I've said it before, but something about that Mavs team just seems so undeserving of a title. I'm not a Mavs hater by any means, but it just seems they don't play with that passion or energy. I really can't put my finger on it, I just don't want them to win a title.

I'm rooting for the Suns because I love Tim Thomas in a sarcastic kind of way. If not them I'm pulling for the Heat because I like Wade, and Shaq.

Miami better win tonight or else it's over for them IMO.

nazpyro Jun 2, 2006 09:47 PM

Woohoo, Miami wins. Anotine Walker. He was open, coach. Walker with the shimmie... osnap. Congrats to the Heat for making the NBA Finals for the first time ever. Maybe Dallas'll pull that off too.

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Jun 2, 2006 09:49 PM

Damn. I was rooting for Detroit, but they were playing terribly all series. Oh well, there's always next year.

Rockgamer Jun 2, 2006 10:08 PM

Congrats to Miami. Now that they're in the finals, I think that they may actually take the championship this year, especially if they have to play the Mavs in the finals.

Goubot Jun 2, 2006 11:27 PM

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Damn. I was rooting for Detroit, but they were playing terribly all series. Oh well, there's always next year.
Same. They've been struggling offensively for whatever reason since the Cleveland series. Also, there is next year, but after that, I think their championship window is probably closed since they're going to get old (and LeBron's going to terrorize the East for years to come). The good thing is that I think that the starters' skillsets won't deteriorate too much with age. People with Rasheed's build tend to last a long time in the league, Billups should be able to keep this level of production for a while, Prince is still very young, Hamilton's game is built around keeping in shape and running a lot (he's probably the main candidate to fade as time goes on, actually), and Ben Wallace is in amazing shape. They just need a decent bench for when the main guys get tired or aren't hitting their shots. The bench isn't deplorable like it was last year, but Saunders was still only really willing to use Hunter and McDyess during the playoffs.

My horse is out, and I don't have any emotional attachment with any of the teams left. I'm rooting for whoever comes out of the West, now, though.

Anyone bored enough to talk about the offseason at this point?

Dopefish Jun 2, 2006 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by nazpyro
Woohoo, Miami wins. Anotine Walker. He was open, coach. Walker with the shimmie... osnap. Congrats to the Heat for making the NBA Finals for the first time ever. Maybe Dallas'll pull that off too.

Antoine Walker: Role Player Extraordinaire.

Boy, if the Celtics knew how to keep their draft picks they might actually be somewhere today (hi Chauncey).

bishop743 Jun 3, 2006 01:23 AM

Wow, the Pistons were out of this game halfway through the first quarter. Even though D-Wade was fighting the flu, he was still able to go out there and contribute to his team's victory. Shaq had a stellar, dominant game as well. Also, Jason Williams suprised the hell out of me... and from the looks of it, the Pistons too. He really went off in the 3rd quarter.

When it comes right down to it, the wheels of the Pistons' offense feel off midway through their first round matchup against Bucks. They were able to squeak by the first two rounds, but it caught up with them when they ran into the Heat. THEN they lost their lockdown defensive intensity and that sealed the deal for them right there. Miami was simply the better team this time around. Congrats to them for making it to the Finals for the first time in franchise history. I'm rooting for them so hopefully Alonzo Mourning and Gary Payton can get rings.


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Originally Posted by Goubot
Anyone bored enough to talk about the offseason at this point?

Still a bit too early for that. But, right now, I'm interested in seeing if either Allen Iverson or Kevin Garnett get traded. It's starting to look like they're both beginning to wear out their welcome, especially Iverson. Both of them could use a change of scenery though.

Timberwolf Jun 3, 2006 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
I'm rooting for them so hopefully Alonzo Mourning and Gary Payton can get rings.

I lost some respect for Alonzo after he refused to suit up and play for the Raptors. He didn't even report to the team, essentially forcing the Raptors to let him go. I mean, as a professional athlete, you should honour contracts and trades as part of the sport.

And I love Gary Payton, and I think he deserves a ring. But he's been a ring-chaser the past couple of years, basically latching himself to whatever team Shaq's on.

I've always found curious, ring-chasers in the twilight of their careers, signing with contenders just to win a ring. The most blatant example is the 2003-2004 Karl Malone and Gary Payton.

I wonder how much that ring would worth to them had they actually won it that year. Imagine how the annals of NBA history would talk about them, as ring-chasers jumping on teams virtually guaranteed to win it all. Imagine them explaining to their grandchildren years down the road, "Oh, I couldn't win a ring after leading my former team for 10-15 years. But then I began to age and decline, and so I joined a team led by Shaq and Kobe as a last desperate attempt to win it all. And that's how I got this ring. See how shiny and big it is."

Or in Payton's case this year, Shaq and D-Wade.

bishop743 Jun 3, 2006 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
I lost some respect for Alonzo after he refused to suit up and play for the Raptors. He didn't even report to the team, essentially forcing the Raptors to let him go. I mean, as a professional athlete, you should honour contracts and trades as part of the sport.

And I love Gary Payton, and I think he deserves a ring. But he's been a ring-chaser the past couple of years, basically latching himself to whatever team Shaq's on.

I've always found curious, ring-chasers in the twilight of their careers, signing with contenders just to win a ring. The most blatant example is the 2003-2004 Karl Malone and Gary Payton.

I wonder how much that ring would worth to them had they actually won it that year. Imagine how the annals of NBA history would talk about them, as ring-chasers jumping on teams virtually guaranteed to win it all. Imagine them explaining to their grandchildren years down the road, "Oh, I couldn't win a ring after leading my former team for 10-15 years. But then I began to age and decline, and so I joined a team led by Shaq and Kobe as a last desperate attempt to win it all. And that's how I got this ring. See how shiny and big it is."

Or in Payton's case this year, Shaq and D-Wade.

As far as Alonzo Mourning goes, yeah that was a very low-class move he made. People are investing millions of dollars in him, he should have went out there and honored his contract as you said. It was a mistake, and a big one, but I don't think that should tarnish his whole career or anything.

I dunno about this "ring-chasers" thing man. I mean, when Karl Malone and Gary Payton left their respective teams, the Jazz and Sonics were beginning to move in a different direction. Malone and Payton had given them all they could. Neither were good enough to carry a team anymore but they still had talent. So, I don't have a problem with them singing with a contending team to contribute. What, you expected them to sign with the Hawks or Raptors? :P

Timberwolf Jun 3, 2006 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
As far as Alonzo Mourning goes, yeah that was a very low-class move he made. People are investing millions of dollars in him, he should have went out there and honored his contract as you said. It was a mistake, and a big one, but I don't think that should tarnish his whole career or anything.

Oh no, definitely wouldn't tarnish his career accomplishments. But people have lost some respect for him, after admiring him for his passion and tenacity coming back from kidney ailment.

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Originally Posted by bishop743
I dunno about this "ring-chasers" thing man. I mean, when Karl Malone and Gary Payton left their respective teams, the Jazz and Sonics were beginning to move in a different direction. Malone and Payton had given them all they could. Neither were good enough to carry a team anymore but they still had talent. So, I don't have a problem with them singing with a contending team to contribute. What, you expected them to sign with the Hawks or Raptors? :P

Well ... not the Hawks or Raptors. Haha.

But it's just that it was so blatantly obvious what they were trying to do. I mean, how much would you value that ring, knowing that you only won it because of Shaq and Kobe (Wade) and another hall of famer?

I think it's unfortunate that many sports pundits judge your career by how many championships you have. And I think it's unfair that such an emphasis is placed on it, above all else. So much so that aging superstars on their decline feel it necessary to latch themselves onto a contender, just to win a ring to solidify their greatness.

But I think most people would rather have a Charles Barkley career, rather than a Robert Horry one. Or a Reggie Miller, rather than a Rip Hamilton. Or a John Stockton, rather than a Steve Kerr.

Allen Iverson put it very well this year: "I think I deserve to win a championship for everything I put in as far as trying to win one, but I'm not going to chase it. I can end my career without a championship and be happy with the effort I gave to try and win one."

It's the same way I feel about Kevin Garnett. But the only difference between the 2006 Garnett/Iverson versus the 2004 Malone/Payton is that the former two are still in their prime. They can join a different team right now and instantly be the focal point. Hence, any success they have with their new team can be directly attribute to them.

It's like in 1993, had Barkley won a ring with Phoenix after leaving Philly, that ring would've meant everything to him.

bishop743 Jun 3, 2006 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Well ... not the Hawks or Raptors. Haha.

But it's just that it was so blatantly obvious what they were trying to do. I mean, how much would you value that ring, knowing that you only won it because of Shaq and Kobe (Wade) and another hall of famer?

I think it's unfortunate that many sports pundits judge your career by how many championships you have. And I think it's unfair that such an emphasis is placed on it, above all else. So much so that aging superstars on their decline feel it necessary to latch themselves onto a contender, just to win a ring to solidify their greatness.

But I think most people would rather have a Charles Barkley career, rather than a Robert Horry one. Or a Reggie Miller, rather than a Rip Hamilton. Or a John Stockton, rather than a Steve Kerr.

Allen Iverson put it very well this year: "I think I deserve to win a championship for everything I put in as far as trying to win one, but I'm not going to chase it. I can end my career without a championship and be happy with the effort I gave to try and win one."

It's the same way I feel about Kevin Garnett. But the only difference between the 2006 Garnett/Iverson versus the 2004 Malone/Payton is that the former two are still in their prime. They can join a different team right now and instantly be the focal point. Hence, any success they have with their new team can be directly attribute to them.

It's like in 1993, had Barkley won a ring with Phoenix after leaving Philly, that ring would've meant everything to him.

That quote from Allen Iverson is golden. I wish more atheletes took that approach. The media puts WAY too much emphasis on winning championships. I just hate when they use terms like "greatest player never to have won a championship" or "most postseason games played without reaching the Finals". I hate crap like that. Yeah for the great players, championships should be something that is looked at, but it shouldn't be the main identifier of how successful their career was.

I think the part of your post about most people rather having a Charles Barkley career over a Robert Horry one, ect., is true too.

Timberwolf Jun 3, 2006 01:29 PM

I'm still hoping for a Garnett-Iverson tandem. I'd be buggin' out :)



On an unrelated note, I came across this article: The reason Carmelo Anthony doesn't wear a Detroit Pistons uniform.

Rockgamer Jun 3, 2006 10:53 PM

So the Mavs win it tonight, pitting them against the Heat in the finals. Even though they've managed to get this far, I still don't think they will win the whole thing. There's just something about the way they've been playing in the playoffs that leads me to believe that they can't beat the Heat in a best of seven series. I predict the Heat will win the series in six games.

nazpyro Jun 3, 2006 11:00 PM

I predict the Heat to win too, but I've been satisifed with the way Dallas has been playing. I can't really buy any of that "can't win in a seven game set" stuff anymore. Just have to take it as it comes. Many are saying Dallas has it easy against Miami. Many are saying Miami has it easy against Dallas. It'll be a battle, and I think it's difficult to say now who'll end on top. When either team blows up, they blow up craaazy. And what happens when both explode, it'll be a specatcle to see.

Anyway, congrats to both franchises to making the finals for the first time ever. Wow, just thinking back early 90s... Mavericks were poo. Good times, now.

DragoonKain Jun 4, 2006 12:37 AM

I think the Heat take the series. They seem like a much more deserving team, and Dwyane Wade and Shaq are hungry players. I can't see anyone stopping them. Diop did a good job against 2 teams with centers he's stronger than, but Shaq will dominate the Mavs inside. Also they have no one to guard Wade.

Heat in 6 or 7.

Frylock Jun 4, 2006 01:30 AM

Mavs in 6.

The Heat have had trouble with perimeter-oriented teams. Especially long, athletic teams with perimeter speed. That's Dallas to a T. They're an absolute matchup nightmare for the Heat.

They're quick, versatile, get up and down quickly, and play some of the most underrated defense. They rotate quickly, have good post defenders and shot-blockers, good guard play, and are just an overall matchup nightmare in the playoffs.

Timberwolf Jun 4, 2006 04:35 PM

Kind of cool: Not since 1971 have we had two NBA teams who are in the Finals for the very first time. I'm gonna say Heat in 7.


I came across this, Dirk getting Punk'd:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWmuUFKX1QA

DragoonKain Jun 4, 2006 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Frylock
Mavs in 6.

The Heat have had trouble with perimeter-oriented teams. Especially long, athletic teams with perimeter speed. That's Dallas to a T. They're an absolute matchup nightmare for the Heat.

They're quick, versatile, get up and down quickly, and play some of the most underrated defense. They rotate quickly, have good post defenders and shot-blockers, good guard play, and are just an overall matchup nightmare in the playoffs.

The Pistons are the epitome of a perimeter oriented team, and the Heat beat them. All they do is shoot. Billups can drive here and there, and Sheed can post up, but for the most part they shoot jump shots.

nazpyro Jun 5, 2006 12:15 PM

Just saw on SportsCenter on some poll that 45 of the 48 mainland whatever states think that Miami will win. The other 3 are Texas (ok), Oklahoma (alright), and... Michigan. Lollin'.

Ryuu Jun 5, 2006 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by nazpyro
Just saw on SportsCenter on some poll that 45 of the 48 mainland whatever states think that Miami will win. The other 3 are Texas (ok), Oklahoma (alright), and... Michigan. Lollin'.

Yeah I saw that too, though it's expected since the Pistons and all of Detroit thought they were going to take the series.


As for the finals, I'll watch the first game and maybe one or two after that due to a constriction of time.

As for my prediction - Heat in 6.

bishop743 Jun 8, 2006 07:13 AM

Well, Game 1 of the NBA Finals between the Dallas Mavericks and the Miami Heat is tonight. Dwayne Wade might not be at 100% but he is giong to give it a go. I think it's going to be a great series. Part of me wants the Mavs to win this win.... and part of me doesn't heh. I have a great appreciation for Avery Johnson, so I'd like to see him win it. But, on the other hand, I can't stand Mark Cuban, and it'd piss me off to see his team get a ring. Dallas has a much deeper team than the Heat, so they have the advantage there. Also, Avery Johnson has given them a good, defensive identity now.... one that was non-existant in years past.

I'm gonna go with the Mavs in 6 for this series. D-Wade and Shaq are gonna be there every night, but I just don't think their supporting cast is going to be able to contribute consistently enough to counteract Dallas' depth.

Agrias Jun 8, 2006 08:41 AM

Heat in 4. There, I said it.

BTW I'm from Michigan ;P

nazpyro Jun 8, 2006 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Agrias
Heat in 4. There, I said it.

BTW I'm from Michigan ;P

Osnap. :p

GET PUMPED. Two more hours until the main event. I'm expecting this series to be full of awesome.

T1249NTSCJ Jun 8, 2006 11:08 PM

90-80 Mavs. Comes as no surprise to me, I expect them to win in 6. :)

bishop743 Jun 8, 2006 11:45 PM

Mavs win Game 1 as I suspected. And my theory was correct as well, it seems. In the first half, the Heat gained an 11-point lead at one point with a lot of help from guys like Antoine Walker and Jason Williams. However, in the second half, those guys cooled off and the Mavs took full advantage of it. If Miami doesn't find a consistent 3rd scorer, they will not win this series.

Musharraf Jun 9, 2006 02:10 AM

Mavs win but this really wasn't Nowitzki's best game... Well at least Shaq sorta sucked as well. I definitely expect the Mavs to make it this year.

bishop743 Jun 9, 2006 08:17 AM

Jason Terry carried the Mavs last night. The Heat did a pretty good job on Dirk the whole game. If Terry keeps playing this way the whole series, it's lights out for Miami.

Two stats that jumped out at me:

1) The Heat shot 7-19 from the free throw line. All 19 of those free throws were either shot by Wade or Shaq.
-- This tells me that the Heat are mainly settling for jumpshots. This won't get ti done against Dallas. Guys like Haslem, Walker and Payton need to force the issue and get to the line. 9 times out 10, the Mavs are going to win a shootout.

2) The Mav's bench outscored the Heat's bench 24-2
-- Like I said in an earlier post, Dallas is a much deeper team than the Heat. This stat shows that perfectly. If the Heat don't get more scoring from their bench, they got no shot (no pun intended).

It's just one game but if the Heat don't make the necessary adjustments, the Mavs are gonna be holding up the Larry O' Brien trophy in Miami. Pat Riley is a veteran coach with a lot of veteran players, so we'll see what alterations he makes for Game 2.

T1249NTSCJ Jun 9, 2006 08:22 AM

Clearly, last nights game is not gonna sit well with Riley. :argue:
By whatever means, he'll get Miami ready for Sunday. And I can't quite understand as to why the highest paid player in the NBA can't make a bloody free throw. :lolsign:

Goubot Jun 9, 2006 08:25 AM

I've read several articles on it, and it has to do with how big his hands are or some crap like that. Whatever the problem is, it makes for some good comedy.

Dallas in 6, I think. A bit late, I know.

Rockgamer Jun 12, 2006 01:14 AM

So the Mavs win again, and are now up 2-0. They're definitely playing better than I expected them to against the Heat, and now look poised to win the entire thing (though that would look pretty bad for the Heat if they manage to get swept by them in the finals).

The next game is on Tuesday in Miami, so we get to see how the Heat do on their on home court. If they don't win this next one, things will look pretty bad for them.

Ryuu Jun 12, 2006 04:31 AM

Shaq was contained. 5 points and only 6 rebounds? Not exactly his best game.

Miami needs to learn how to make free throws. Shaq is 2-16 at the FT line and that won't help you win games. They did better this game in that they made like 60% on the line compared to the 40% in game one but when your opponent has a FT percentage consistantly in the 80s you gotta make the shots.

Mavericks outrebounded the Heat 46 total rebounds to 32 which is not good at all for the Heat.

bishop743 Jun 12, 2006 06:45 AM

Shaq had 5 points.... 5 POINTS! The Mavericks pretty much made him a non-factor in the game. Originally, I took the Mavs in 6, but now I may have to revise that to the Mavs in 5. Miami looked completely dicombobulated out there. It seemed like they made no adjustments after that Game 1 shallacking. Miami has way more to worry about now other than Topical Storm Alberto... because Hurricane Dallas is making a beeline right for them on Tuesday.

Timberwolf Jun 12, 2006 08:37 AM

Wow, 5 points by perhaps the most dominant force outside of Wilt in league history in an NBA Finals game. That ain't right.



Two four-point plays (by Stackhouse and Howard) in one Finals game. Prior to that, there had only been six in the history of NBA Finals. At first I was surprised at how small that number is, but considering the fact that the three-point line hadn't always been existence, it makes sense.

Let's see here ... according to news sources:

Before yesterday's game, the last four-point play in the Finals was six years ago: Reggie Miller did it in Game 5 against the Lakers in 2000.

The other players to complete four-point plays are: Glen Rice (Lakers, 2000), Hersey Hawkins (Sonics, 1996), Toni Kukoc (Bulls, 1996), Scott Wedman (Celtics, 1985), Andrew Toney (Sixers, 1982).

han89 Jun 12, 2006 03:41 PM

since i started watching NBA three years ago (watching it fully), i have been suporting the Dallas Mavericks! and now this season, after 3 years, they are in the finals and are winning 2 - 0...i hope they do win the season because they deserve it! first Spurs then Phoenix...they have made it past the tougher teams, Miami is not as strong as those two, but a strong competition still.

DragoonKain Jun 12, 2006 03:45 PM

I'm sticking with Miami to win this series. I can't pick against them just because they went down 2-0. 3 straight home games is exactly what they need.

nazpyro Jun 12, 2006 05:51 PM

Hopefully a change in scenery will get Miami motivated again, but so far Dallas has been awesome I had predicted. I kinda want Miami to win, but I kinda want Dallas to win too. Whatever... I just want better games than yesterday's blowout though.

Ryuu Jun 12, 2006 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DragoonKain
I'm sticking with Miami to win this series. I can't pick against them just because they went down 2-0. 3 straight home games is exactly what they need.

Yeah, that's what I'm hoping.

3 Straight games at home will probably spark something. If they can take all three then the momentum should carry over into Dallas for Game Six which would get the franchise's first championship.

Frylock Jun 12, 2006 11:59 PM

All those years of stuffing his grill with Krispy Kreme donuts is starting to show on fatty's knees. And you guys aren't allowed to hope - this one's pretty much over now. Anyone with any bball IQ can see that. Dr. buss is looking like a friggin' genius, now. Hahaha. But mad props to Slick for getting Wade and the rest of those nut-riders this far.

bishop743 Jun 13, 2006 07:35 AM

A taste of home cooking for Miami will help a bit but I don't think it's going to turn this series around... or even make it a series, 'cause thus far, it hasn't been. No team has ever won all 3 of those middle games at home since they went to the 2-3-2 format. It's not gonna happen here either because Dallas is too good of a team. I expect Miami to only get one of those games.

Timberwolf Jun 13, 2006 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
No team has ever won all 3 of those middle games at home since they went to the 2-3-2 format.

Exactly just what I was about to post :p

Frylock Jun 13, 2006 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
No team has ever won all 3 of those middle games at home since they went to the 2-3-2 format..

04' Pistons would like a word with you.

bishop743 Jun 13, 2006 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Frylock
Dr. buss is looking like a friggin' genius, now.

heh, don't see how. An aging, worn down Shaq (with Wade, of course) got his Miami Heat team to the NBA Finals. The Los Angeles Kobes had a 3-1 lead against the Suns, squandered it and lost in the first round.


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Originally Posted by Frylock
04' Pistons would like a word with you.

My bad, yeah, I forgot about them. Thanks for the correction. That's the only time though.

Rockgamer Jun 13, 2006 11:44 PM

Dwayne Wade won the game.

Seriously though, that was a good game, and it definitely wasn't a blowout like the last one. If the Heat keep playing like this, I can see the series ending with a down to the wire Game 7.

DragoonKain Jun 14, 2006 12:07 AM

Dwyane Wade man... now there's a guy that wants that title. I don't get that from any of those Mavs players. They just don't play with that fire or passion like Wade. They are so emotionless.

This should spark the Heat a bit.

bishop743 Jun 14, 2006 06:19 AM

Dwayne Wade didn't win this game, although he played VERY well in the 4th quarter with 5 fouls. Nah, the Dallas Mavericks lost this game. I've been giving props to Avery Johnson for the entire season, but his coaching down the stretch was atrocious. And, for all the talk about the Heat's woes at the free throw line, Nowitzki comes up with a chance to tie the damn game and misses one of them. But if shouldn't have ever come to that. Dallas had a 13-point lead at one point and just choked it away. I still think the Mavs are the better team and will still win this series but the Heat have given themselves life and hope after that impropable win last night.

They gotta win Game 4 though or last night's victory won't matter.

han89 Jun 14, 2006 07:10 AM

That's alright. We are still up by one game. I haven't watched the game yet, so when i do, i will be back with my thoughts about it.

Timberwolf Jun 14, 2006 09:44 AM

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Exactly just what I was about to post :p

Er, never mind. I forgot the 2004 Pistons as well.

Ryuu Jun 14, 2006 10:26 PM

Great comeback by the Heat but it shouldn't have been such a game in the first place. Heat were up at the half and lost it in the third quarter.

They also outrebounded the Mavs 49 to 34 and ONLY beat them by 2 at the end. In Game 2 the Mavs outrebounded the Heat by a similar amount and won by a large margin.

Heat really need to work hard to win this series, cause the Mavs seem to be doing everything right (besides the horrible job in the fourth quarter of Game 3).

bishop743 Jun 16, 2006 07:16 AM

This morning before I left for work, I wasn't able to eat my customary cereal for breakfast, I had to eat a bit of crow instead. The Miami Heat are officially back in this series now after winning last night and evening the series at 2-2. It was a dominating performance all around for Miami from beginning to end. Dirk Nowitzki had a very rough shooting night and Dwayne Wade lit up South Beach with 36 points. If the first 3 quarters weren't bad enough for Dallas, the 4th quarter was even worse. In that 4th quarter, they only managed to score 7 points, a new record low for the NBA Finals.

When it all comes down to it though, both teams have been doing what they were supposed to do, take care of business at home. Dallas is still in the driver seat at the moment, having home-court advantage, but it would greatly help their confidence and psyche if they were able to steal Game 5 and be up 3-2 heading back to Big-D. Also, Jerry Stackhouse might miss that game because of a suspension after that flagrant foul against Shaq last night. We'll see....

han89 Jun 16, 2006 07:20 AM

Disapointed. That's all i can say, and i all i can be from the Mavericks! It clearly wasn't there night.

Timberwolf Jun 17, 2006 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
Also, Jerry Stackhouse might miss that game because of a suspension after that flagrant foul against Shaq last night. We'll see....

Yep, suspension. One game.

This may cost them.

bishop743 Jun 17, 2006 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Yep, suspension. One game.

This may cost them.

Yeah, seriously. The Mavs might not be ready to win a championship. This is the second time this postseason that someone has been suspended for a game. Jason Terry got one during the San Antonio series and that almost cost them. Mistakes like this aren't how you go about winning a championship.

Ryuu Jun 17, 2006 02:34 PM

Sucks for the Mavs but Stackhouse really shoved 300 lbs. Shaq for that flagrant foul.


Either way, great play by the Heat. Dirk was like 2-14 FG, so good job by the Heat in keeping him in check (but he still scored like 16 due to free throws).

Timberwolf Jun 18, 2006 11:09 PM

We're going to OVERTIME!

DWYANE WAAAAAAADE.

T1249NTSCJ Jun 18, 2006 11:38 PM

I don't know what was going on in Howard's head but that timeout cost them the game. At 1.9 seconds fullcourt, there is no way to get a good look at the basket. Oh well, so much for Mavs in 6. :doh:

Timberwolf Jun 18, 2006 11:41 PM

What a finish.

Yeah, that Howard timeout really destroyed their chances at a last shot. Damn, Dirk Nowitzki was so mad after the loss, kicking everything in sight on the way to the locker room.

But this was Dwyane's night. The Finals MVP trophy has his name on it.

T1249NTSCJ Jun 18, 2006 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Damn, Dirk Nowitzki was so mad after the loss, kicking everything in sight on the way to the locker room.


I saw that too. :lolsign:

What the hey, I'm gonna go and say Mavs in 7. :)

DragoonKain Jun 19, 2006 12:50 AM

The Mavs may still win this series, but tonight is the reason why I say something about them is undeserving about a championship. They just don't have that player with killer instinct like Miami has with Wade. They all seem so emotionless and dumbfounded in the clutch. This is the 2nd game in the series they choked away.

bishop743 Jun 19, 2006 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
But this was Dwyane's night. The Finals MVP trophy has his name on it.

The last 3 nights (games) have been Wade's nights (games). Over the 3 home games in Miami, Wade has averaged 40.3 points. He is the main reason why this Miami team is only the 2nd team in history to win all 3 middle games in the Finals. It's official: Dwayne Wade is the best player in the league right now.

Dallas made even more critical mistakes last night. Missed free-throws by normally good free-throw shooters, Howard's early timeout call. These are the type of things that decide who wins out, and so far, the Mavs have failed miserably. Sunday was a bad day for "M"'s. First Phil Mickelson chokes, then the Mavs choke... again!

I'm still picking the Mavs to win this series. It's been a great matchup and I think it deserves to go 7 games, so I'm hoping Dallas can get their swagger back and find a way to pull this out.

Also, I like an owner who's hands-on and everything, but what the hell is Mark Cuban doing? He's all up in the huddle during timeouts. I wouldn't be suprised if he was chatting with the ballboy and running plays through to Avery Johnson. I'm sayin', dude needs to be the rich owner and sit up in the box somewhere. He's gotta be a distraction to the team.


"What am I saying to you right now, dog? Please, don't come off on me right now because I'm going to come off on you, and I'm not in a great mood right now. Get out of my face, man. Get out of my face."
-- Josh Howard when asked by Chris Sheridan to comment on his controversial timeout call.

... haha!

han89 Jun 19, 2006 09:05 AM

One point! One freaken point! (I just saw the results!) I didn't watch it, how did The Mav lose by one point?

Timberwolf Jun 19, 2006 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by han89
how did The Mav lose by one point?

Dwyane Wade.



Oh, is anyone else happy for Gary Payton who hit that clutch, left-handed, high-off-the-glass layup? He's hit big shots in two of the Heat's wins.

bishop743 Jun 19, 2006 09:38 AM

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Oh, is anyone else happy for Gary Payton who hit that clutch, left-handed, high-off-the-glass layup? He's hit big shots in two of the Heat's wins.

That's exactly why you pick up a Gary Payton during the offseason. He's not good enough to carry a team, but if you need a big bucket late, he's a veteran guy who can still deliver. I like how for 3 quarters, Jason Terry abuses him and Jason Williams, but Terry always gets burned in crunch time.

Timberwolf Jun 19, 2006 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
That's exactly why you pick up a Gary Payton during the offseason. He's not good enough to carry a team, but if you need a big bucket late, he's a veteran guy who can still deliver. I like how for 3 quarters, Jason Terry abuses him and Jason Williams, but Terry always gets burned in crunch time.

If Miami does win the series, GP will have had played a key role. I was watching the postgame press conference, and GP was mad cool, very veteran-like, very chill. GP is gangsta.


Oh, and just in case some people believe the Mavericks' insinuation that Wade was not fouled on his last drive:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...-OT-FOULED.jpg

The only odd thing was that the refs called the foul on Nowitzki, not Harris. But in any case, Wade was fouled.

bishop743 Jun 19, 2006 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Oh, and just in case some people believe the Mavericks' insinuation that Wade was not fouled on his last drive:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...-OT-FOULED.jpg

The only odd thing was that the refs called the foul on Nowitzki, not Harris. But in any case, Wade was fouled.

I don't think anyone was debating there being a foul. I think the main criticism was that the refs let that decide the game. It was a ticky-tack foul, they should have swallowed their whistles on that play. But of course, star players get certain calls, and that's the nature of the game. Dallas doesn't have anything to whine about though, they had their opportunities.

Timberwolf Jun 19, 2006 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
I don't think anyone was debating there being a foul. I think the main criticism was that the refs let that decide the game. It was a ticky-tack foul, they should have swallowed their whistles on that play. But of course, star players get certain calls, and that's the nature of the game. Dallas doesn't have anything to whine about though, they had their opportunities.

I'm doing my post-game surfing this morning, and a lot of people are debating whether or not there was a foul call.

I found another picture, and there seems to be a gap between Harris's hand and Wade's arm. The angle in that first picture I posted isn't the best. This is the second angle:

http://www.nba.com/media/finals2006/...600_060618.jpg


There's also an animated .gif from the ABC camera. Nowitzki definitely didn't foul Wade. But it's hard to tell whether Harris's hand came down on Wade's forearm (I didn't add that caption at the end):

http://nelsok.com/images/72102485.gif

bishop743 Jun 19, 2006 10:23 AM

It doesn't look like there was a foul to me at all, or one that warranted a foul call, at least. But, Nowitzki should have done a better job of closing that lane when Wade made his way down there. It might have forced him to take a tough jumpshot with two people crowding him. Also on the play before that, Devon Harris drove down the lane and CLEARLY drew contact, but didn't get the call. Inconsistent officiating down the stretch it seems.

Timberwolf Jun 19, 2006 10:37 AM

I'm still staring at the animated .gif. Harris' hand came down pretty hard. Had he actually hit Wade's arm, Wade's arm probably would not have been able to continue its normal upward motion.

If that's true, then there was no foul on that play.



http://www.sun-sentinel.com/media/ph...6/23985544.jpg

The only Cuban not welcome in Miami.

DragoonKain Jun 19, 2006 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
I don't think anyone was debating there being a foul. I think the main criticism was that the refs let that decide the game. It was a ticky-tack foul, they should have swallowed their whistles on that play. But of course, star players get certain calls, and that's the nature of the game. Dallas doesn't have anything to whine about though, they had their opportunities.

I think you only swallow your whistles in that situation if there was a chance Wade could make the shot, but IMO there was absolutely no shot at him hitting that shot.

bishop743 Jun 19, 2006 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DragoonKain
I think you only swallow your whistles in that situation if there was a chance Wade could make the shot, but IMO there was absolutely no shot at him hitting that shot.

Yeah, I guess you're right. He chances were very slim that he'd hit that shot.




Going away from the NBA Finals a bit, I was skimming ESPN and found a couple of articles about Len Bias. He died 20 years ago today. This guy was a beast at Maryland and would have been a SUPERstar in the NBA right off the bat. It's tragic what happened to him. Check out these articles:

The legend of Len Bias
By Scoop Jackson


Len Bias gone, but not forgotten
By Bomani Jones


I'm a big fan of Scoop Jackson. I really like his writing style. The Bomani Jones article is good too.

Timberwolf: If you can SOMEHOW find a video or animated GIF of the dunk Jackson is referring to from that Carolina game, you'd be my hero. It'd probably be hard as hell though, so I don't worry yourself if it's too much trouble.

Timberwolf Jun 19, 2006 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bishop743
Going away from the NBA Finals a bit, I was skimming ESPN and found a couple of articles about Len Bias. He died 20 years ago today. This guy was a beast at Maryland and would have been a SUPERstar in the NBA right off the bat. It's tragic what happened to him. Check out these articles:

The legend of Len Bias
By Scoop Jackson


Len Bias gone, but not forgotten
By Bomani Jones


I'm a big fan of Scoop Jackson. I really like his writing style. The Bomani Jones article is good too.

Nice. I'm also a fan of Scoop. I liked his stuff, ever since his SLAM days.

I had always been under the impression that Len Bias was a good player drafted by the Celtics in '86. I never knew that he was that good.

I'm just learning now that, had he lived, he would've changed the history of the NBA. The Celtics would've continued to win championships, since Bird and McHale would've had their careers extended as they wouldn't have had to play those heavy minutes. Michael Jordan would've had a serious rival in his own conference to deal with.

It's unfortunate what happened with Bias.


Quote:

Originally Posted by bishop743
Timberwolf: If you can SOMEHOW find a video or animated GIF of the dunk Jackson is referring to from that Carolina game, you'd be my hero. It'd probably be hard as hell though, so I don't worry yourself if it's too much trouble.

I couldn't find an animated .gif. But I found a clip of what seems to be the dunk Scoop was talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsE0Th50SII

It's the one at the 1:34 mark (with replays until the 1:53 mark), where he stole the inbound pass against the Tar Heels and reverse dunked it, spreading his legs and arms.

The tribute clip itself is pretty awesome. He really seemed to play like a bigger, taller, young Michael Jordan. He could jump and hang, and the block at the 1:23 mark was absolutely ludricrous.

If you want, I can send that clip to you in .flv format.



Edit:

Here's another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qHB7TAoUUc

That dunk is the first play you see. And I am certain it's the one Scoop is talking about.

Again, I can send both clips to you in .flv if you like :)

bishop743 Jun 20, 2006 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Nice. I'm also a fan of Scoop. I liked his stuff, ever since his SLAM days.

I had always been under the impression that Len Bias was a good player drafted by the Celtics in '86. I never knew that he was that good.

I'm just learning now that, had he lived, he would've changed the history of the NBA. The Celtics would've continued to win championships, since Bird and McHale would've had their careers extended as they wouldn't have had to play those heavy minutes. Michael Jordan would've had a serious rival in his own conference to deal with.

It's unfortunate what happened with Bias.

Yeah man. If Bias had played 15 or so years, there would have been absolutely no drop-off for the Celtics. The Lakers and Pistons might to have gotten their back-to-back championships, Celtics vs. Bulls in the Eastern Conference Finals might have become a recurring theme. Simply put, he would have changed the course of NBA history as we know it.

It's always sad to see such talent squandered, but as his mother said during an interview, he did much more for the NBA and society at-large in death than he could have ever done in life.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
I couldn't find an animated .gif. But I found a clip of what seems to be the dunk Scoop was talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsE0Th50SII

It's the one at the 1:34 mark (with replays until the 1:53 mark), where he stole the inbound pass against the Tar Heels and reverse dunked it, spreading his legs and arms.

The tribute clip itself is pretty awesome. He really seemed to play like a bigger, taller, young Michael Jordan. He could jump and hang, and the block at the 1:23 mark was absolutely ludricrous.

If you want, I can send that clip to you in .flv format.



Edit:

Here's another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qHB7TAoUUc

That dunk is the first play you see. And I am certain it's the one Scoop is talking about.

Again, I can send both clips to you in .flv if you like :)

Dude, T-Wolf, you're the best man! Thanks so much. I owe you one. :D Thanks for the offer, but I have a plugin for Firefox that lets me download .flv files. Again, thanks, I really appreciate it. :)

The tribute video was really good. Bias' game was beautiful to watch. He looked like man amongst boys out there. I think he would have been one of the greatest to ever play the game.





Also, tonight is Game 6 between the Heat and Mavs. Dallas finally gets to return home after a horrific 3 games in South Beach. It seems like everybody on that team is pissed, whether that works for or against their favor remains to be seen. I'm hoping Dallas wins. I really want to see a Game 7.

squaretex Jun 20, 2006 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
I'm hoping Dallas wins. I really want to see a Game 7.

So did I, bishop...so did I.
Heat 95, Dallas 92. Heat takes the championship.

...and sad am I. :(

Rockgamer Jun 20, 2006 11:13 PM

Well, it looks like I predicted it right, with the Heat winning the championship after six games. Though it certainly didn't look like this was gonna happen after the first two games, the Heat came back and won four in a row, a surprising feat only achieved by two other teams in league history.

Even though this wasn't a down to the wire Game 7, it was still a pretty good game. The Heat certainly had the lead for the majority of game but, especially in the fourth quarter, the Mavs managed to give them a run for their money. The Heat played well all throughout though, which is what led them to victory tonight. I'll give it up for the Mavs, but my congratulations goes to the Miami Heat, for winning their first championship.

And man, how much do Dallas fans suck? They can't even be civil while Miami is being presented with their trophy. I mean, I know no one expects them to cheer for them, but they certainly don't have to boo them. Shit, the game is over, and if they have nothing good to say or do, they should just leave already.

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Jun 20, 2006 11:18 PM

God damn it, I was really pulling for my hometown owner to win his first. Too bad.

bishop743 Jun 20, 2006 11:31 PM

Simply put, Dallas did not deserve this championship. They had double-digit leads twice in tonight's game and still lost. Whenever you're a team that relies too much on jumpshooting, that's going to continue to happen. They get hot for awhile outside, fall in love with it and then it all falls to shit. They're a great team, and they'll be around next year, but they need somebody they can throw the ball to down on the low block and get some consistent, high-percentage buckets.

Congrats to the Heat. They played like the team that wanted it more and they showed it over the last four games. Dwayne Wade played out of his mind (he's damn sure no Jordan, btw), Shaq was dominant when he needed to be and their role players came up huge during clutch situations.

Now... Kobe and Jerry Buss can go cry.

Oh, and I wonder how Stan Van Gundy feels right about now.

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Jun 20, 2006 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
Oh, and I wonder how Stan Van Gundy feels right now.

Cheated? He made the entire team, and Riley just flat out stole it from him just when Dwyane (This fucker's parents need to learn how to spell) Wade was breaking out.

Sonne Jun 20, 2006 11:36 PM

I like how everyone down here is all of a sudden a Heat fan.

Just like they were suddenly Marlins ('97 & '03) or Panthers ('96) fans.

Everyone down here is going flaming batshit, I wish I could be more excited (I was more excited for Tampa when they won the cup, as you may know I'm into hockey.) but I really can't.

But Miami needed something like this, fake as the happiness may be.

bishop743 Jun 20, 2006 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Capo
Cheated? He made the entire team, and Riley just flat out stole it from him just when Dwyane (This fucker's parents need to learn how to spell) Wade was breaking out.

Yeah man, I gotta agree with you. This whole thing about Van Gundy wanting to leave and spend time with his family didn't fly with me. I wouldn't be suprised at all if he was pushed out the door. He goes through training camp and everything, then 10, 15(?) games into the season says "eh, lemme quit so I can spend time with my family". Nah, I don't think so. Just doesn't sound right to me.

Also, congrats to Alonzo Mourning. Working his way back from the whole kidney ailment and playing a signifcant role in this championship run is pretty cool. I don't exactly like when he blocks a shot and damn near has a seizure on the court, but he worked hard and deserved this title. Payton too.

DragoonKain Jun 21, 2006 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sonne
I like how everyone down here is all of a sudden a Heat fan.

Just like they were suddenly Marlins ('97 & '03) or Panthers ('96) fans.

Everyone down here is going flaming batshit, I wish I could be more excited (I was more excited for Tampa when they won the cup, as you may know I'm into hockey.) but I really can't.

But Miami needed something like this, fake as the happiness may be.

Hey, it's the same in Dallas. Miami and Dallas just aren't basketball towns like Philly, Boston, LA and other big NBA towns are.

But I'm happy the Heat won. I predicted them to win in 6 or 7 and I'm a fan of Wade. You all know I've said plenty of times on here that the Mavericks are just undeserving of a title. You saw why this series. They came up small when it counted in big moments. Blew big leads at the end of games and then choked away a big lead with the momentum on their own home court in game 6. Bishop is absolutely right. They did not deserve it period, and I've said it since before the series even started. Something about that team just to me wasn't deserving.

Wade, however is very deserving. He's one of the best players in the game and plays with fire, energy, and determination. He willed that team to victory. On paper they have a lot of big names, but almost all of them are a shell of themselves. They won because of Wade and Wade alone.

Musharraf Jun 21, 2006 01:16 AM

Okay wait a sec last time I checked the Mavericks led 2-0; now they lost 4 matches in a fucking row? Jesus Christ, what is this. Cuban will be pretty pissed.

Fuckin Wade can go fuck himself btw

DragoonKain Jun 21, 2006 01:31 AM

It's called coming up small, that's what this is.

The Heat's best player Wade wanted this title more than anything in the world. He did everything he could to get it. What did Dirk do? Came up small in the biggest game of his life. Did he even score in the 4th quarter? He also passed up a shot to pass the ball to Dam-frickin-pier who lost the ball and the Heat got it right back. He was scared to shoot. The Mavs made critical mistakes at the end of games. In a way they choked. I don't know how else to put it. They blew a total of 3 games they could've easily won this series with key mistakes. You can't do that once in an NBA Finals let alone 3 frickin times.

Borg1982 Jun 21, 2006 02:41 AM

I really must say - having watched Carolina win the cup yesterday and the Heat winning the championship tonight - when the clock hit 0.00 at the very end in hockey, there was a outburst of pure, pure happiness and joy... it's always so exciting to watch an NHL team win the cup the moment the clock hits 0.00.
When the clock hit 0.00 for tonights game in b-ball, there was no explosion of joy, but just some cockiness and smiles. Nothing at all as fun to watch.

han89 Jun 21, 2006 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by squaretex
So did I, bishop...so did I.
Heat 95, Dallas 92. Heat takes the championship.

...and sad am I. :(

So am I. They blew their chance the Mavs. I don't know what got into them.

Timberwolf Jun 21, 2006 08:47 AM

I almost cracked up when Gary Payton was dribbling the ball at the top of the key, mouthing off to the referee. Then he passed the ball, extended both his arms, gesturing and still talking to the referee.

And then the pass suddenly came back to him, and his panicked reaction was like, "Oh my god, it's the ball."

I'm very happy for GP. Finally, he's getting his ring.


Quote:

Originally Posted by bishop743
Dude, T-Wolf, you're the best man! Thanks so much. I owe you one. :D Thanks for the offer, but I have a plugin for Firefox that lets me download .flv files. Again, thanks, I really appreciate it. :)

The tribute video was really good. Bias' game was beautiful to watch. He looked like man amongst boys out there. I think he would have been one of the greatest to ever play the game.

No problmen, man. Glad to help.

Thanks for pointing me to the direction of the Scoop Jackson article. It was a nice read. I never knew just how talented Len Bias was.

Ryuu Jun 21, 2006 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
I almost cracked up when Gary Payton was dribbling the ball at the top of the key, mouthing off to the referee. Then he passed the ball, extended both his arms, gesturing and still talking to the referee.

And then the pass suddenly came back to him, and his panicked reaction was like, "Oh my god, it's the ball."

I laughed. The commentators were like: "What the hell is he doing?"


But yeah, Heat win in 6, I believe that was what I said so woohoo on predictions. Mavs could have easily won this series, but something sparked in the Heat and they came back to win 4 games straight.


It's disappointing that the Heat had to win in Dallas though. There is no cheers of joy from the fans when you win in your opponent's arena. I was pleased with Cuban's sportsmanship after they lost - he stood and clapped for the Heat. Still, the stands evaporated after the game was over.

Rockgamer Jun 21, 2006 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryuu
I was pleased with Cuban's sportsmanship after they lost - he stood and clapped for the Heat.

I wasn't that pleased by it. Maybe it's just me, but the way he did it just seemed like he was being sarcastic or something about it. I mean, he got on the court and started slowly doing these big claps, so it just looked weird to me, like he didn't really mean it. I'm probably just reading too much into it, though.

bishop743 Jun 21, 2006 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
No problmen, man. Glad to help.

Thanks for pointing me to the direction of the Scoop Jackson article. It was a nice read. I never knew just how talented Len Bias was.

Yeah man, I think Scoop Jackson is the best sports writer ESPN has right now. Like you, I also read his stuff back in SLAM magazine as well. I try to catch him on Jim Rome is Burning when he makes an appearance too. Like I said earlier, I just like his style.

I'm glad you enjoyed the article.



This offseason is going to be an interesting one. Guys that could be possibly changing teams include: Allen Iverson, Kevin Garnett and Ben Wallace.

Timberwolf Jun 21, 2006 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bishop743
Yeah man, I think Scoop Jackson is the best sports writer ESPN has right now. Like you, I also read his stuff back in SLAM magazine as well. I try to catch him on Jim Rome is Burning when he makes an appearance too. Like I said earlier, I just like his style.

I'm glad you enjoyed the article.



This offseason is going to be an interesting one. Guys that could be possibly changing teams include: Allen Iverson, Kevin Garnett and Ben Wallace.

What's Jim Rome is Burning?

Yeah, should be an interesting offseason. Kevin McHale has gone on record saying that they're not looking to trade Kevin Garnett. Unless Kevin Garnett flat out asks for a trade, or unless they're getting another elite player in return (eg, Kobe, Lebron), they are not entertaining any proposals involving KG.

Iverson's situation seems less certain. I am still hoping for a Iverson-Garnett hookup. That would be dope.

I'm also curious as to how the Raptors will fare with that first pick. The Raptors have done well in some drafts:

In 1995 they went with Damon Stoudamire with 7th pick. It was a terrific choice at the time, consider how Stoudamire won Rookie of the Year, and gave the Raptors an identity. It's obvious now that the best player in that draft was that 5th pick, a pick that also opened the floodgate and ushered in a new era. But the Raptors did well for themselves with that 7th pick.

Toronto messed up SO BAD in the 1996 Draft. They went with Marcus Camby with the 2nd pick, when they could've picked up any of the following: Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen, Steve Nash, Jermaine O'Neal, Stephon Marbury, Antoine Walker, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Peja Stojakovic.

1997 was genius, when they got the most exciting, and second-best player in that draft, despite drafting 9th. Too bad idiot Darrell Walker dogged him and benched him, and said he'd never make it in the NBA. Where's Darrell Walker now.

1998 was also an awesome maneuver. They picked Antawn Jamison, but knew they wanted Vince Carter, whom they immediately traded Jamison for. They even got some cash out of that trade. And let's face it, even though Vinsanity soured in 2004 and they may have even kept the wrong cousin, Vince Carter was the best thing to happen to the Raptors.

In 1999, they drafted 5th and selected Jonathan Bender (essentially for Indiana), who they used to trade for Antonio Davis. Good move, considering what a steady workhorse Davis was, and that Bender was oft injured and has now retired. But bad move, considering that Richard Hamilton, Shawn Marion, Jason Terry, Corey Maggette, Ron Artest, Andrei Kirilenko, and Wally Szczerbiak were all still available.

In 2000, they went with Mo Pete for the 21st pick. Good choice in a very weak draft. Kenyon Martin can't do anything except dunk and puff like an idiot. Darius Miles and Stromile Swift have been disappointing and inconsistent. Mike Miller was rookie of the year -- Mike Miller. In retrospect, if I had the first pick in that draft, I would've picked Desmond Mason.

In 2001, Toronto picked Michael Bradley with the 17th pick. A turd of a pick. Tony Parker and Gerald Wallace were still available, not to mention Jamaal Tinsley, Zach Randolph, and Samuel Dalembert.

In 2002, the Raptors picked Kareem Rush for the lowly 20th pick and traded with the Lakers for Lindsey Hunter. Whatever. Too bad Tayshaun Prince was still on the board.

In 2003, Chris Bosh was a sweeeet 4th pick. He seems to be improving every year, and is drawing the Kevin Garnett comparisons. Even Miami wanted Chris Bosh, but they had the 5th pick and had to settle for this Dwyane Wade kid.

In 2004, it was another crappy pick. Selecting 8th, Toronto picked Rafael Araujo. What the hell is that. Why couldn't they pick Andre Iguodala or Josh Smith.

In 2005, they redeemed themselves by picking Charlie Villanueva at 7th. This kid scored 48 points this past March.

2006 -- NUMBER ONE PICK. DON'T SCREW THIS UP.

bishop743 Jun 21, 2006 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
What's Jim Rome is Burning?

Yeah, should be an interesting offseason. Kevin McHale has gone on record saying that they're not looking to trade Kevin Garnett. Unless Kevin Garnett flat out asks for a trade, or unless they're getting another elite player in return (eg, Kobe, Lebron), they are not entertaining any proposals involving KG.

Iverson's situation seems less certain. I am still hoping for a Iverson-Garnett hookup. That would be dope.

I'm also curious as to how the Raptors will fare with that first pick. The Raptors have done well in some drafts:

In 1995 they went with Damon Stoudamire with 7th pick. It was a terrific choice at the time, consider how Stoudamire won Rookie of the Year, and gave the Raptors an identity. It's obvious now that the best player in that draft was that 5th pick, a pick that also opened the floodgate and ushered in a new era. But the Raptors did well for themselves with that 7th pick.

Toronto messed up SO BAD in the 1996 Draft. They went with Marcus Camby with the 2nd pick, when they could've picked up any of the following: Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen, Steve Nash, Jermaine O'Neal, Stephon Marbury, Antoine Walker, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Peja Stojakovic.

1997 was genius, when they got the most exciting, and second-best player in that draft, despite drafting 9th. Too bad idiot Darrell Walker dogged him and benched him, and said he'd never make it in the NBA. Where's Darrell Walker now.

1998 was also an awesome maneuver. They picked Antawn Jamison, but knew they wanted Vince Carter, whom they immediately traded Jamison for. They even got some cash out of that trade. And let's face it, even though Vinsanity soured in 2004 and they may have even kept the wrong cousin, Vince Carter was the best thing to happen to the Raptors.

In 1999, they drafted 5th and selected Jonathan Bender (essentially for Indiana), who they used to trade for Antonio Davis. Good move, considering what a steady workhorse Davis was, and that Bender was oft injured and has now retired. But bad move, considering that Richard Hamilton, Shawn Marion, Jason Terry, Corey Maggette, Ron Artest, Andrei Kirilenko, and Wally Szczerbiak were all still available.

In 2000, they went with Mo Pete for the 21st pick. Good choice in a very weak draft. Kenyon Martin can't do anything except dunk and puff like an idiot. Darius Miles and Stromile Swift have been disappointing and inconsistent. Mike Miller was rookie of the year -- Mike Miller. In retrospect, if I had the first pick in that draft, I would've picked Desmond Mason.

In 2001, Toronto picked Michael Bradley with the 17th pick. A turd of a pick. Tony Parker and Gerald Wallace were still available, not to mention Jamaal Tinsley, Zach Randolph, and Samuel Dalembert.

In 2002, the Raptors picked Kareem Rush for the lowly 20th pick and traded with the Lakers for Lindsey Hunter. Whatever. Too bad Tayshaun Prince was still on the board.

In 2003, Chris Bosh was a sweeeet 4th pick. He seems to be improving every year, and is drawing the Kevin Garnett comparisons. Even Miami wanted Chris Bosh, but they had the 5th pick and had to settle for this Dwyane Wade kid.

In 2004, it was another crappy pick. Selecting 8th, Toronto picked Rafael Araujo. What the hell is that. Why couldn't they pick Andre Iguodala or Josh Smith.

In 2005, they redeemed themselves by picking Charlie Villanueva at 7th. This kid scored 48 points this past March.

2006 -- NUMBER ONE PICK. DON'T SCREW THIS UP.

As I look at the potential of this draft, I don't see any superstars or game-changers, guys who can make an immediate impact on a team. There are some good players though. J.J. "DUI" Redick and Adam Morrison are two that come to mind.

And as far as draft pick strategy goes, it can be a crapshoot at times. Yeah, some of the picks that the Raptors have made over the years have sucked, but it's hard to tell how a player's potential in high school or college will carry over to the pro game. After the season the Pistons won the championship against the Lakers, they had a chance to take Carmelo Anthony but chose Darko instead. As far as Darko is concerned, yeah that was a pretty bad pick, but 'Melo may have messed up the chemistry on that team since he is a guy who needs to score a lot. .... That being said, I cannot condone their picks in '96 and 2004. That's just unacceptable.

Jim Rome is Burning is a show on ESPN that comes on weekdays @ 4:30PM EST. On the show, he has a roundtable segment with different columnists, writers, former atheletes and such. Scoop Jackson is a frequent contributor to this segment.

Timberwolf Jun 21, 2006 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
After the season the Pistons won the championship against the Lakers, they had a chance to take Carmelo Anthony but chose Darko instead. As far as Darko is concerned, yeah that was a pretty bad pick, but 'Melo may have messed up the chemistry on that team since he is a guy who needs to score a lot. .... That being said, I cannot condone their picks in '96 and 2004. That's just unacceptable.

They didn't pick Melo because they already had Tayshuan Prince at that position. This is how much they love what Prince brings to the Pistons. Melo wouldn't really fit with the current roster of Pistons.

Yeah, you're right though ... a lot of it is simply blind luck, or a crapshoot. And sometimes it takes players years to before we even start to see development (eg Jermaine O'Neal), or brilliance (eg Steve Nash).

The worst Number 1 draft pick since the inception of the lottery might just be Michael Olowokandi.


Quote:

Originally Posted by bishop743
Jim Rome is Burning is a show on ESPN that comes on weekdays @ 4:30PM EST. On the show, he has a roundtable segment with different columnists, writers, former atheletes and such. Scoop Jackson is a frequent contributor to this segment.

Ah I see. I don't get ESPN here :(

bishop743 Jun 21, 2006 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
They didn't pick Melo because they already had Tayshuan Prince at that position. This is how much they love what Prince brings to the Pistons. Melo wouldn't really fit with the current roster of Pistons.

Yeah, you're right though ... a lot of it is simply blind luck, or a crapshoot. And sometimes it takes players years to before we even start to see development (eg Jermaine O'Neal), or brilliance (eg Steve Nash).

Yeah, back in the day, it was easier to gauge a potential pick's success. Nobody came into the pros out of high school or anything like that. Nowadays, guys are either coming out of high school or only after just 1 or 2 years in college. In some ways that has helped the game and also hurt it. For every pick that has become a success (such as KG, Kobe or LeBron) you have just as many guys who don't live up to expectations (such as Kwame Brown, Michael Olowokandi or Darko).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
The worst Number 1 draft pick since the inception of the lottery might just be Michael Olowokandi.

oh, without question he's the worst #1 pick. There should be no debate there.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Ah I see. I don't get ESPN here :(

Awww, that sucks man. It's not a huge deal though. Those segments are pretty much the only reason I watch the show... and I usually only tune in when Scoop is on the panel.

DragoonKain Jun 22, 2006 01:37 AM

I hope AI doesn't get traded, but it looks like he's going to. Man, he's my favorite player ever. It would be so sad to see him go.

I hope somehow the Sixers can get Roy or Gay in the draft. Billy King said they are trying to move up.

Timberwolf Jun 23, 2006 12:00 PM

So, Tracy McGrady will be the cover boy of the upcoming NBA Live 07.

http://xboxmedia.ign.com/xbox/image/...1022816926.jpg

han89 Jun 24, 2006 02:05 PM

I know this may sound stupid but i had to ask it:

What is the draft in NBA?

As i have started watching NBA truly since this year, this is the first draft i hear about. I used to only see scores and not care a lot.

Timberwolf Jun 24, 2006 04:28 PM

LARRY BROWN IS OUT! Zeke is taking over.



Quote:

Originally Posted by han89
I know this may sound stupid but i had to ask it:

What is the draft in NBA?

As i have started watching NBA truly since this year, this is the first draft i hear about. I used to only see scores and not care a lot.

The NBA Draft is held each year at the end of June, where all the NBA teams select new players. These young players are usually from the college level. The teams that didn't make the Playoffs participate in a lottery, with the worst team having the best chance of drafting first.

For example, in 2003 Cleveland won the lottery and was awarded with the first pick. They picked Lebron James.

han89 Jun 24, 2006 04:33 PM

Ah ok. That's good to know. So it's a nice thing to wait for. So who gets to choose first? Who came last year in last place?

Timberwolf Jun 24, 2006 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by han89
Ah ok. That's good to know. So it's a nice thing to wait for. So who gets to choose first? Who came last year in last place?

The team with the worst record doesn't necessarily get to draft first. It gets the best chances (i.e. highest probability) to win that number one pick.

This year, the Raptors beat the odds (since they didn't have the worst record) and won the lottery. So they have the number one pick.

GoDoFCh33se Jun 27, 2006 11:29 PM

After seeing the finals, I'm eager to see if Dallas can redeem itself from its horrid finals performance. The suns will also be more fun to watch being that amare is coming back, and i think they have a legitimate chance to go to the finals.

it seemed as though this years playoffs was marked by lots of upsets or near upsets, but i guess that makes it more exciting

han89 Jun 29, 2006 04:11 PM

I have to say that this year can be called by "the Rise of teams!" as a lot of teams got the chance to rise above such as Dallas and Miami and found themselves in the finals, beating big teams.

bishop743 Jun 30, 2006 07:07 AM

For those that didn't see the NBA Draft, here are the top 20 picks:

PICK TEAM PLAYER
1 Toronto Andrea Bargnani - PF
2 Chicago (Traded to Portland) LaMarcus Aldridge - PF
3 Charlotte Adam Morrison - SF
4 Portland (Traded to Chicago) Tyrus Thomas - PF
5 Atlanta Shelden Williams - PF
6 Minnesota (Traded to Portland) Brandon Roy - SG
7 Boston (Traded to Portland, then Minnesota) Randy Foye - SG
8 Houston (Traded to Memphis) Rudy Gay - SF
9 Golden State Patrick O'Bryant - C
10 Seattle Mouhamed Saer Sene - C
11 Orlando J.J. Redick - SG
12 NO/Oklahoma City Hilton Armstrong - C
13 Philadelphia (Traded to Chicago) Thabo Sefolosha - SF
14 Utah Ronnie Brewer - SG
15 NO/Oklahoma City (via Bucks) Cedric Simmons - PF
16 Chicago (Traded to Philadelphia) Rodney Carney - SF
17 Indiana Shawne Williams - SF
18 Washington Olexsiy Pecherov - PF
19 Sacramento Quincy Douby - SG
20 New York (via Nuggets) Renaldo Balkman - SF

As I figured, this wasn't a star-studded draft. I don't really see any LeBrons, Carmelos or Wades like in the 2003 class, but still, there are some great players here. Guys like LaMarcus Aldridge, Adam Morrison, Brandon Roy and Randy Foye definitely have the potential to be excellent players for years to come. I don't know anything about this Andrea Bargnani dude, but going by his stats in international play, I don't see how he was the #1 pick over Aldridge or Roy.

Portland was just all over the place though. They were trading like mad all throughout the draft. Matter of fact, they're probably STILL trading!

DragoonKain Jul 1, 2006 01:19 AM

I wanted Carney going in, and was so mad when we drafted Sefolosha. Then we ended up with him anyway. So I'm happy.

What I'm not happy about is that AI is going to be traded soon. His days here are ticking down. While I don't want him to be dealt, it's necessary. It's time for the Sixers to rebuild. Damn, I'm gonna miss the guy.

BlueMikey Jul 1, 2006 10:23 AM

This was a weak, weak draft. I think this is going to be one of those years where as many players from the 2nd round stick in the NBA as those in the 1st round. There are only about 5-7 players in that first 20 list that I'd think have a chance of being 10-year players.

Timberwolf Jul 1, 2006 11:46 AM

Hahaha, I just found out that the Shane Battier/Rudy Gay trade also included Stromile Swift, who ends up back in Memphis. So much for the Rockets needing athleticism to complement Yao. The Stro Show has been a big disappointment anyway.


And the Raptors swapped Charlie Villanueva (who scored 48 points as a rookie this past season) for TJ Ford from Milwaukee. Bryan Colangelo doin' his thang.

Timberwolf Jul 3, 2006 11:59 AM

The Pistons offered Ben Wallace a four-year, $49.6 million contract.

Big Ben doesn't like it.


It's not really an unreasonable offer. I mean, Wallace is turning 32 in September, and much of his game relies on athleticism and quickness. He has a near-zero offensive game, and shoots freethrows like that's the hardest thing in the world. For all his defensive prowess and lockdown abilities, he is not a go-to guy.

I don't think he commands more than the $12+ million per year that the Pistons are offering.

bishop743 Jul 3, 2006 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
The Pistons offered Ben Wallace a four-year, $49.6 million contract.

Big Ben doesn't like it.


It's not really an unreasonable offer. I mean, Wallace is turning 32 in September, and much of his game relies on athleticism and quickness. He has a near-zero offensive game, and shoots freethrows like that's the hardest thing in the world. For all his defensive prowess and lockdown abilities, he is not a go-to guy.

I don't think he commands more than the $12+ million per year that the Pistons are offering.

Ben Wallace says he wants to stay in Detroit and that his heart is in Detroit. Chicago, and another team that I can't remember right now, are offering him the same deal Detroit is except their deal is for $52 million instead of $48 million. Big Ben, you say your heart is in Detroit, so how about you prove it. $4 million, in pro sports, isn't a whole hell of a lot. So, stay with Detroit.

Yeah, Chicago is a young team on the rise, but they aren't going to be winning any championships anytime soon. Detriot is a team that is a given, perenial title-contender every year. Use your head on this one, Ben.

EDIT:

Looks like Ben doesn't love the Pistons as much as he says. He's leaving Detroit and signing a 4-year, $52 million deal with the Bulls: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2508742

Detroit is gonna be in some real bad shape next year. They just let the heart of their team walk out the door. Joe Dumars has made some amazing moves since he took over the helm, but this one is horrible for that franchise.

Timberwolf Jul 4, 2006 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
Ben Wallace says he wants to stay in Detroit and that his heart is in Detroit. Chicago, and another team that I can't remember right now, are offering him the same deal Detroit is except their deal is for $52 million instead of $48 million. Big Ben, you say your heart is in Detroit, so how about you prove it. $4 million, in pro sports, isn't a whole hell of a lot. So, stay with Detroit.

Yeah, Chicago is a young team on the rise, but they aren't going to be winning any championships anytime soon. Detriot is a team that is a given, perenial title-contender every year. Use your head on this one, Ben.

EDIT:

Looks like Ben doesn't love the Pistons as much as he says. He's leaving Detroit and signing a 4-year, $52 million deal with the Bulls: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2508742

Detroit is gonna be in some real bad shape next year. They just let the heart of their team walk out the door. Joe Dumars has made some amazing moves since he took over the helm, but this one is horrible for that franchise.

Wow, I'm shocked that Ben Wallace would leave the Pistons for an extra 1 million per year for the next four years.

I don't get it. It's not like the Pistons offered him a bad deal. Had he taken it, he would've been the highest paid player on the team.


In other news, Peja is leaving the Pacers and signing with the Hornets. Bobby Jackson is signing with the Hornets too.

bishop743 Jul 4, 2006 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
In other news, Peja is leaving the Pacers and signing with the Hornets. Bobby Jackson is signing with the Hornets too.

haha, so the Pacers trade away one of the most unique, talented players in the game and what do they get in return... Peja for 30 some-odd games? Hilarious. Peja will benefit greatly with having Chris Paul though. Those two should be fun to watch together.

Timberwolf Jul 4, 2006 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
haha, so the Pacers trade away one of the most unique, talented players in the game and what do they get in return... Peja for 30 some-odd games? Hilarious. Peja will benefit greatly with having Chris Paul though. Those two should be fun to watch together.

Yeah ... Artest really turned the Kings around. His impact was immediate.

Peja was injured for a good portion of the Playoffs for the Pacers, who really lost out in that trade.

bishop743 Jul 8, 2006 01:20 PM

It seems as though LeBron James is a bit hesitant to sign his contract extension with the Cavs. After seeing his draft mate Dwayne Wade win a title this year, he may be wondering whether or not he can do the same thing in a Cleveland uniform. I do think he will eventually sign and stay with them when the smoke clears though.

Timberwolf Jul 8, 2006 01:40 PM

I think he's just making them sweat it out.

I don't see Lebron leaving Cleveland. I mean, Detroit has just gotten significantly weaker with the loss of Ben Wallace. Chicago has gotten better, but is still not a contender. Miami is still the best team in the East, but Shaq is not getting any younger.

With a new piece or two -- or some tweaks -- Cleveland can challenge Miami for the East Title.


Edit: NEVER MIND, IT'S OFFICIAL: LEBRON AGREES TO EXTENSION

bishop743 Jul 8, 2006 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
I think he's just making them sweat it out.

I don't see Lebron leaving Cleveland. I mean, Detroit has just gotten significantly weaker with the loss of Ben Wallace. Chicago has gotten better, but is still not a contender. Miami is still the best team in the East, but Shaq is not getting any younger.

With a new piece or two -- or some tweaks -- Cleveland can challenge Miami for the East Title.


Edit: NEVER MIND, IT'S OFFICIAL: LEBRON AGREES TO EXTENSION

haha, when I saw your "NEVER MIND", I was like "OMG, he's leaving?!?!" :doh:

But yeah, I figured he'd stay with them as well. They had a great run last season and had a lot more success in the playoffs than many people thought they could have. A move here or there and they can definitely be in that elite group in the Eastern Conference.

Timberwolf Jul 14, 2006 06:18 PM

Big Bull Ben.


http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...ITHCHICAGO.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...WITHCHIC-1.jpg

bishop743 Jul 15, 2006 11:27 AM

The Bulls are gonna on the rise next season while the season are going to dip greatly. I can't wait to see how it all pans out.

In other news:

>> Memphis aquires Stromile Swift and draft rights to Rudy Gay from Houston for Shane Battier
-- Memphis is gonna lose a great player in Battier but they are getting so much more in return. Great move on their part

>> L.A. Clippers re-sign free agent Sam Cassell
-- The Clippers would have been morons if they hadn't

>> Dwayne Wade and Carmelo Anthony have opted to follow suit with LeBron James and sign similar, smaller deals now so that they can get a larger contract down the road. Might not be good for the teams they are with currently but it is a smart business decision

>> Kobe Won’t Play for USA After Knee Surgery
-- In the article, it says the surgery was a "minor treatment" but he is probably going to miss between 8-12 weeks. So, he should be ready just in time for Laker's training camp.

Timberwolf Jul 15, 2006 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
>> Dwayne Wade and Carmelo Anthony have opted to follow suit with LeBron James and sign similar, smaller deals now so that they can get a larger contract down the road. Might not be good for the teams they are with currently but it is a smart business decision

I thought Melo decided to go with the max five-year, $80 million route?

Chris Bosh was the one who inked similar deals as Wade and Lebron, right?

bishop743 Jul 15, 2006 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
I thought Melo decided to go with the max five-year, $80 million route?

Chris Bosh was the one who inked similar deals as Wade and Lebron, right?

Yeah, my bad. You're right. Carmelo signed the 5-year, $80 million deal. It was Bosh he followed suit with Wade and LeBron. Thanks for the correction.

Timberwolf Jul 15, 2006 12:10 PM

More news:

- Chicago trades Tyson Chandler to the Hornets for PJ Brown and JR Smith.

- Iverson wants to remain a Sixer

- Paul Pierce signs a three-year extension with the Celtics worth $60 million

- The Timberwolves have inked Mike James to a four-year $23 million deal

bishop743 Jul 15, 2006 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
- Chicago trades Tyson Chandler to the Hornets for PJ Brown and JR Smith.

Chicago is really making some great moves this offseason. P.J. Brown's best years are behind him, but he's still a savvy big man and he'll help solidify that frontline with Big Ben.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
- Iverson wants to remain a Sixer

Well, Iverson has been saying all along that he wanted to stay a Sixer for life. But, at the same time, management needs to take the steps to get some quality guys around him to make a competitive team. When it's all said and done, I think Big Ben's move will be the biggest offseason trade. KG and AI are staying put.

Timberwolf Jul 15, 2006 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bishop743
Chicago is really making some great moves this offseason. P.J. Brown's best years are behind him, but he's still a savvy big man and he'll help solidify that frontline with Big Ben.

Yeah, JR Smith is also a nice pickup. Chicago is a young team, so having PJ Brown around will bring some veteran leadership in addition to Big Ben.


Quote:

Originally Posted by bishop743
Well, Iverson has been saying all along that he wanted to stay a Sixer for life. But, at the same time, management needs to take the steps to get some quality guys around him to make a competitive team. When it's all said and done, I think Big Ben's move will be the biggest offseason trade. KG and AI are staying put.

I was actually surprised that the Sixers missed the Playoffs. They need to get Iguodala more involved in the offense. He's up-and-coming.

The Hornets have made some nice moves as well. Peja is a good addition (though he hasn't played particularly well since the first half of the 2003-2004 season, when he was MVP material). So the Hornets have a nice little nucleus in Chris Paul, Peja, and D-Mase. But I can't say I like the addition of Tyson Chandler, who will just get abused by all the power forwards in the West.

bishop743 Jul 20, 2006 02:23 PM

Speaking of the Hornets, there has been a lot of talk lately about trying to move them to Oklahoma City permanately. Last season, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, they played a large number of their games in Oklahoma City and drew great crowds there. There seems to be a huge market for basketball there. A group that just recently purchased the Seattle Supersonics also wants to try and move that team to Oklahoma City. It'll be interesting to see how all this plays out. Oklahoma City is enriched with basketball tradition. One way or another, they deserve to have a team there.

Timberwolf Jul 21, 2006 08:24 PM

Yeah, I heard about that too. If that does happen, it'd be so weird to not have the SuperSonics in Seattle.

Whenever I hear Supersonics, the first image that comes to mind is the Reignman flying high and The Glove dishing.

Of course, nowadays the Reignman is no longer flying high. He's just high.

Timberwolf Jul 23, 2006 07:37 PM

The USA Team has been getting some practice time in. They also sat for portraits:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...m-Portrait.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...m-Portrait.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...m-Portrait.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...m-Portrait.jpg

nazpyro Jul 24, 2006 12:38 AM

Carmelo looks like he got punched in the face.

So, yeah, I'm back. Missed the finals, draft, some trades and all, but am just about caught up now. Yay intarweb.

It'll be interesting to see who gets cut from the USA team when it comes to that time.

Timberwolf Jul 24, 2006 06:16 PM

Yeah, Melo's photo was funny. He looked different.

Anyway, welcome back dude.

bishop743 Jul 27, 2006 11:50 AM

Welcome back, nazpyro. Glad to see you back here.

Some news and notes:

>> Marion, Morrison, Ridnour Off U.S. Roster

>> Gov. Barkley? Sir Charles eyeing office in Alabama

>> Pacers close to acquiring Harrington from Hawks

>> Report: King no longer shopping Iverson on market

Timberwolf, this one is for you. It's an article KG wrote on NBA.com about his trip to Asia: Kevin Garnett: World Traveler

Timberwolf Jul 27, 2006 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
Welcome back, nazpyro. Glad to see you back here.

Some news and notes:

>> Marion, Morrison, Ridnour Off U.S. Roster

>> Gov. Barkley? Sir Charles eyeing office in Alabama

>> Pacers close to acquiring Harrington from Hawks

>> Report: King no longer shopping Iverson on market

Timberwolf, this one is for you. It's an article KG wrote on NBA.com about his trip to Asia: Kevin Garnett: World Traveler

Thanks for the news updates, man :)

Charles Barkley ... he'd be interesting as governor. If it does materialize, he'd be sorely missed on those TNT shows. Who's gonna trade jabs with Kenny.

Yup, I've been following KG's adidas promo tour to Asia. The blog is a good read. The Taj Mahal video is new, though -- that wasn't there before :) Thanks!

nazpyro Jul 28, 2006 02:57 AM

Thanks for the links. That KG entry was cool.

Anyway, don't we deserve a new NBA thread now? Isn't this considered the offseason for 2006-2007 season or something? Everything now's pertinent to 2006-2007...


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