The "I too liked Xenogears' second disc" Club
 

So Squeenix's Nomura mentions working on a highly anticipated and personally-requested, unannounced game, that he expects will yield a huge reaction from fans. He could very well be blowing smoke up our asses and hyping/hawking some craptastic spin-off money-maker, or it could genuinely be a game that fans want.

Some people are guessing KHIII, but it's kind of a given that this game will be eventually released, so personal requests for it seem kinda pointless.

Assuming it's not something way outta left-field, I'm gonna say it's a VII remake. Sure FFVII isn't the most amazing game ever, but it was damn fun, and we all know the demand for a remake is there. The graphics also haven't aged as well as the sprite, 2-D FF's so it could definitely use a visual overhaul.

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We hear this every year.

I'll pay attention again when it is official.

True, but I just feel that with all these rumors getting reignited over and over, and this latest announcement being made, it all has to culminate into the game being remade. A fuckton of fans want it, they want to make money, something's gotta give.

zomg but... but...

FF7 PS3 tech Demo!!!

yawn.

People will get up in arms about it being FF7 and then it'll be some game like a billionth remake of Final Fantasy 1, this time on PS3.

Personally, I'd much rather see 6 remade (whether on PS3, DS, or what have you) Hopefully it won't be as fucking insanely brutal as FFIV was on DS.

FFVI would definitely be nice. Seeing all those characters and the world in full-fledged HD current gen graphics, the soundtrack remade...it would be pretty amazing. As I said before though, aesthetically, VII could use the upgrade way more than VI. VI's sprites look cute and charming. VII's blocky graphics, while nostalgic, look like a mess.

One of these days, nerds will quit getting lubricated over the thought of a FFVII remake/sequel. It will be a good day.

The thing is though, VII pretty much already got a few updates. Not to the direct game in itself, but as way of Dierge of Ceberus, Crisis Core and Advent Children. (Sequels, Prequels, whatever same difference. The universe and characters were updated)

VI pretty much hasn't been touched and the "remake" that was given to us was from a fucking Wonderswan port, if memory serves correct.

FFVII should be remade at some point, yes. But not when people are expecting it. That kind of announcement needs to come out of left field. Like the guy doesn't even hold interviews or anything and then all of the sudden a FF7 remake splash page pops up, or at E3 he doesn't come to the podium and just the video starts playing and he walks out after it finishes with a huge shit-eating-grin on his face.

That is why I'm hoping for a FF6 remake, tbh. No one expects it but yet everyone will love it the same. Plus I feel that VI's story should be expanded as there are some aspects that needed to be looked into further. Relm and Shadow's relationship, more on Terra's parents, etc... (they could only do and hold so much with a SNES cartridge).

Anything with FFVII attached to it will sell. You know this, I know this and Square has always known this. I think that's why it'll be worth saving the remake of VII for a "rainy day".

But it doesn't matter, anytime this speculation comes up, so does FFVII remake and every time it has ended in "disappointment" as it was either a remake of FF1, or some other game. Plus the debates about what it could be and why it should be x or y are endless and only do nothing but cause shitstorms to happen.

Also: agree with russ

I like Final Fantasy VII. I thought it was a decent game. There, I said it.

Do I think it should have a remake? Not yet. However, the last few years Square-Enix has REALLY pushed the FF7 button hard through sequels, prequels, etc. So I'm not really that surprised.

However, as mentioned in this post, what I'd REALLY like to see is a remake of FF6. That was and is my favorite game of all time. Seeing it updated and new content added would be awesome. Or perhaps, for something even more shocking, what about a sequel? The world was left in the World of Ruin. What if some of the cast had to get together to repair the world? Some awesome moments could be:

* Shadow, having survived, reveals who he is to Relm. Shadow finally does what he says he will do in that he "stops running away from it [his responsibility]", and does start over again, living a normal life (the awesome, dramatic moments would be him revealing who he is to Relm, and the obvious tension throughout the game).

* Celes and Locke getting married.

* The revival of General Leo / Terra finding true love through Leo.

* Cyan finally putting the loss of his family to rest (there was only so much closure given to this).

* Terra learning more about her past and [possibly] how she alone will ultimately aid in the revival of the Espers in the world.

Obviously, some of those aren't as "obvious" as others. I could see some potential back story to the game to make things interesting. Figaro could be seen the main kingdom of the world and hence responsible for fixing the world. With magic gone though, this is seen as more difficult. This results in Edgar, who has used machinery, to work hard to use technology to replace what was lost when magic disappeared. However, Sabin feels that one can channel such power from within as well as use various techniques to emulate most (but not all) of what was done when they had magic. This results in a clash between the two brothers, resulting in a division of North and South Figaro. There is no civil war, but there is constant tension between the two nations and the two brothers.

This could lead to another big part of the game where the two brothers reconcile and the Figaro's unify. They could even design the game that for a while, if one brother joins your party, the other immediately leaves (e.g. Sabin comes to aid your party at one point. Edgar gets pissed and after the battle leaves without saying a word).

Anyway, I have said too much.

I would think most fans disregard those entries. I do at least. They're all pretty disappointing, blatant attempts at Squeenix acting like cock-slices and stringing remake-hungry fans along from one let-down release to another for a quick buck. After Advent Children, I didn't even bother with any of the other releases. My palate at least, isn't overloaded with all these spin-off releases.

I suppose one could argue that they could butcher the original material with a remake and churn out something along the lines of the stuff in the FFVII-compilation in terms of quality. But, seeing how the original material already has gameplay ideas and concepts in place, unless they royally fuck up the visuals and audio (Squeenix's forte) , they should do fine. Ideally it would be nice for them to expand on the gameplay but I'd be OK with a mere face-lift.

This is true, and if it was up to me, I'd love a full remake of both VI and VII, but (maybe this is just the VII fanboy in me) Nomura's cock-tease of a description seems more likely to be referring to VII as opposed to VI.



Sure, we've all done this song and dance before numerous times. And I guess it can feel like beating a dead horse, but even though I should know better at this point, I can't help but get excited over an FFVIIr whenever a vague announcement like this is made. As for the shitstorms, I would think we can all speculate for fun, without people acting like asshats.

Yeah, I know. The game is overhyped and VII's fanatics are way too overzealous, so poking fun at the game and fans is hard to resist. Y'know what though? When it comes down to it, the game really was pretty great. It may not be the trendy thing to do, but I can proudly say that I like FFVII. I don't know of too many other games that experience a popularity backlash of this magnitude. But oh well, to each his/her own.

This right here is why I don't want an FF VI remake. It's good. No need to Kingdom Hearts this shit up.

Jesus, Mortis. Not every character and story arc has to end with "happily ever after". Cleaning up every single loose end and "fixing" the World Of Ruin pretty much takes whatever depth the story ever had, drags it into the back yard, and shoots it.

The characters of FFVI are more interesting than the characters of most JRPGs precisely because they're all such flawed, imperfect people.

I'm all for a remake (not for the sake of improving graphics, but just to expose a new generation to the game), but a sequel to FFVI is an awful idea. The story ends precisely where it should — on a note of uncertain hope. To come back in after the credits to say AND THEN ALL THE DEAD PEOPLE CAME BACK TO LIFE AND THEY ALL FELL IN LOVE AND GOT MARRIED... no shut up fuck you just fuck you :mad:

The safe bet would be the world collectively groaning at the announcement of FFX-3.

God that would suck so hard. FFX-2 was already one sequel too many.

Every day it isn't announced is considered fresh, new fuel.

"Looks like they're gearing up for that big announce at E3/TGS/Penny Arcade Expo/CES/Antiques Roadshow"

the man literally faced his inner demons, I don't know what else you want

a bigger sword and emotions hair maybe

@Pang: Fixing the World of Ruin was more of a reason to continue the story rather than "let's make the world a happy place". Obviously, they could also do something like FFIV and have a sequel twenty years in the future. Or perhaps they could do a FF7CC and handle the events that eventually led up to FF6.

Nevertheless, you made a valid point. Interestingly, it was the fact the characters and story were so well developed that I liked the game. Aside from Leo, whom for some reason I wanted to come back despite his relatively minor role in FF6, the other events were mainly what I felt was natural progression of what FF6 was pointing to when it ended. Then again, after Lurker's comments, along with the realization it has been years since I have beaten the game, maybe I am thinking back wrong.


@lurker: Wow. I really need to go back to this game. I vaguely remember Cyan going to some nightmarish place in the World of Ruin but it's very hazy now. So yeah, scratch that.




Interestingly, I thought I read once that FF6 was suppose to have a lot more background and a longer story but couldn't due to limitations of the SNES. If that were the truth, I wonder what else was to be added (I have some ideas...). Furthermore, i wonder if that would be added into a FF6 remake.

Depending on how long Celes was unconscious, you can have a mid-quel as well.

For the life of me, I can't remember if it was one month, six months, or one year.

I love how the second link in the OP slurges on about an FFVII remake, then links to RPG Land, and yet RPG Land says absolutely nothing about an FFVII remake; simply says the translation of the article, which is a personally requested title.

I'm definitely open to the idea that rabid Square fans have made some dumbass requests. Maybe he's making one of those. Seriously, just let the news happen. If it comes, it comes and that's cool; if it doesn't, just as well because you weren't holding your breath.

You know why I would prefer a remake of FFVII instead of FFVI? Because if it's a bad remake at least it will not affect FFVI and the fans would just shut it and for all about this freaking remake >.>

No matter how much fanboys whine, a remake does nothing to tarnish the original unless conjured up in your own mind, even if it's largely made by the same people.

Could be that, but I'm gonna laugh my ass off if he announces The Bouncer 2

I need a remake of VI!

I need to see Sabin suplex a train in 3D, god dammit!

@Vinc: I thought I was the only one who enjoyed that....

Y'know it can very well be. (insert obligatory joke about sequel being twice as long as the original). Or maybe they'll bring back Driving Emotion:tpg:, who knows...

Thing is, even if they are not referring to an FFVII remake, I'm sure that they are aware of the fact that vague statements like these make many fans think of exactly that, thus, creating buzz and hype. Bastards.

Anyway, I would also love a proper and worthy Xenogears sequel or remake, but I have enough self control to keep such dreams in-check.

FF-X2 was easily twice as god as FF-X so another sequel, if twice as good again might almost be a decent game.

I would hope that if they did remake FFVI they coudl somehow make it not be incredibly tedious, then I might actually make it to the end of the game.

What they should do is a sequel to Vagrant Story, remaking Final Fantasy games over and over is just gay. Unless you inherently change the gameplay, thereby making the game not a remake, the older FF games will always be essentially boring, no matter how pretty the graphics they bolt on.

Yeah, FFXII was gonna be good because they had a number of Vagrant Story goons working on it. Then they said "wait, we can't have this cool Bosch dude be the main character. Let's introduce a few fourteen year olds! :)"

Given, I practically turned off the game when they repeatedly mispronounced "marquis".

That and the fact that Balthier isn't pronounced "bal-thee-yay" bugged me a little.

Vagrant Story II was in development for the Gamecube, but apparently it fell through the cracks around the time of the Square-Enix merger. Sad.

http://imgur.com/WmWJX.jpg

Amano was supposed to be doing the character designs and artwork, too.

I played most of FFXII with the sound off so I missed that. The pronounced it properly in Last Remnant though, perhaps they're learning (Or perhaps they used more British voice actors). To give them a touch of credit, Vaan and Penelo are only ever secondary characters throughout the game. One of the things I liked about FFXII was that you weren't playing as the "main" character. Obviously it would have been better without the teenagers shoehorned in but it was nice to see the grownups saving the world while the teenagers just went along for the ride for once.

Balthier was supposed to be the main character originally. That's why they had him constantly go "I'm the leading man, after all".

WHERE ARE YOU YASUMI MATSUNO


WORKING ON THE WII GAME?

NOT LIKELY

Are you sure? I thought it was Basch who was supposed the main character.

Well I recall reading earlier it was Balthier, and the recent Time Extend EDGE did on FFXII reminded me of it.

Are you sure? I thought the setting was the main character.

More liek

are you sure, I thought the automatic gameplay was the main character that played the game for you

rite...............

Not to spoil the party, but apparently this is not what Nomura said.

WOAH A NEW GAME

STOP THE PRESSES

Yeah, what the fuck. "Hey so we're a gaming company, and we might announce an undisclosed game at an undisclosed time."

Assuming that's truly all that was said, this has to be one of the most pointless statement ever made.

I love how that Tech demo looks dated all these years later.

It'll happen, but if I may, I propose a sequel to FF8. "Why!?" the masses will say! "Why not?" would say Square.

I'm surprised they haven't started on a remake of VI similiar to the DS version of FFIV. I am not a huge fan of VI but I would still play it and might even enjoy it more than the original.

I think more people would embrace a VII remake however and in the long run it would make more money. They obviously know how wildly popular VII is thanks to how many fans it is, the sales of Advent Children and Crisis Core (which is pretty much why almost anyone owns a PSP even though they game ended up sucking).

I see a few foreseeable problems with VII being remade though.

-Battle System: Do you use the original one with just updated graphics or put in something new? For the most part, turn based rpgs are dead. They don't appeal to that many people anymore as most rpg fans are bored of them by this point. So they would have to risk putting in something new and hoping it won't ruin the experience for fans.

- The game wouldn't be as well received as it should be. We are now in an age where people look at the bad rather than the good. Nitpicking seems to be the latest trend and even if the game turns out to be amazing...people will still find something wrong it...either due to douchebaggery or because expectations are so high. Then of course you will have the fucktards who will try to be trendy by saying "DURR THE ORIGINAL IS SO MUCH BETTER...REMAKE SUCKXXXX"

- Which console. It is nice having two consoles that are pretty much on the same level. If a remake is announced it would be incredibly stupid to just have it on one system. Sony fanboys will flip out if it comes to the x360, I mean they are still complaining that FFXIII is available on the 360...imagine how it will be if a game that is pretty much the most known PSX game had a remake that came out on the 360.

- Tifa's breast size. Will they be proportioned to the right size or will they be again oversized in 1080p to appease all the fapping nerds?

It wouldn't make much sense to have one, theres really nothing left to tell.

"Ok here you guys go, FFVIII-2"

"Why? It makes no sense, the story was bad to begin with so why try to continue it"

"Because it is what you guys want!"

"No, it isn't"

("...Whatever")

Logically V would be next for a handheld remake. Which is very exciting indeed.

Haha, in Japan, perhaps. You know, the place where they hate the gaijin circlebox anyway.

V was pretty terrible. I played it some years ago and found the classes part of it to be mildly interesting for 10 minutes then I let the story take over. The Pokemon cartoon had a better storyline than FFV.

And regardless of your feelings about FFVII, it is probably the most known and most played game from the PSX in just about any country it was available in. I do not know anyone that had a PSX that didn't at one time own or play FFVII. Most people here recognize that it was overrated and are tired of hearing about it some 12 years later but you can't take away that it was successful.

To be quite honest I would much rather be typin in a "Xenogears to get remake" thread rather than the 1,456th Final Fantasy VII remake thread.

I think in Europe at least, Tomb Raider and Tekken 2 were both far more popular than Final Fantasy VII; also FIFA and ISS.

Literally everyone I know had Tomb Raider and Tekken 2 and one of the football games. Most had Micro Machines V3, one of the Ridge Racers, Gran Turismo and Worms. Final Fantasy VII sold well but was always something of a niche game.

Next in line is another FF4 redux.

This time for Sega Saturn.

FF4 is the new FF1?

Pretty much. The only thing missing is a WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LIGHT WARRIOR'S KIDS YOU DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT appearing on WiiWare and cellphones.

I do not agree with that statement that turn based rpg's are dead. If people are bored with them then its their problem. I think the fact that Dragon Quest IX was best selling game in 2009 in Japan shows that a lot of people are still willing to deal with the turn based system.

For me on the other hand, I play both turn based rpg's and action based rpg's, but I tend to enjoy turn based more.

I am kind of on the fence in terms of a Final Fantasy VII remake. What it boils down to, is that if it did ever come to pass it wouldn't change my impressions of what Final Fantasy VII was or what its trying to be. I would still purchase it for the sake of having it.

One question that comes to mind, when I hear somebody mention this remake.

If it ain't broke, why fix it or even better polish it?

Lets just say, if this is what the big announcement will be, these same Final Fantasy VII fans will be bitching for another remake ten years from now. I understand that a lot of money and revenue can come out of a potential project such as this.

If you guys are honestly that desperate to play a remake of Final Fantasy VII, then why not just play the original. Your not that much of a graphics whore to succumb to the Shiny Diamond Syndrome because graphics and sound are probably the largest noticeable differences you'll see in a Final Fantasy VII remake.

Its not in the sense, that I'm against remakes because I already have Lunar: Harmony of the Silver Star pre-ordered and some of my games I own are remakes or ports of the originals. It is just I fail to see the point of what a Final Fantasy VII remake can accomplish except giving the fanboys and fangirls something to fap about.

Personally, Xenogears is and for now will be my favorite rpg of all time, but personally I would not want to see that game remade. I enjoyed the game for what it is and even though it had some off sync dubbing and a story driven second disc, it didn't take away my overall enjoyment of the entire game.

if FFIV were remade for next-gen consoles, you wouldn't see me bitching one bit.

Hell, I remember way back when Square had it rumored to remake 1-9 on PS2 in the graphics of 10... Then... Spirits Within happened and... yea.

OR HAY GUIZ, it could be a giant cross-over with all the main characters from Square games in one giant RPG! :edgartpg: (lawl, traditional RPG, not shiity Kingdom Hearts or Dissidia)

Well that is the problem right there. What sells in Japan doesn't always sell well in North America or Europe. You see alot of RPG titles sell well in Japan but over here they do god awful (Tales series comes to mind). I'm not saying turn base is bad but its been overdone and for the most part people are sick of it.

I enjoyed FFIV, but I think it will just be weird if its remade onto a next gen console. Expectations would end up being too high and theres not promise that the story will transition well. Someone touched on that with Xenogears and I can see where they are coming from after I think about it.

I remember those remake rumors too, it would of been stupid since alot of the appeal of Final Fantasy is that the graphics are different with each installment. Using the same graphics would make them all look similiar which would of just been lame.

Cross-over ideas never really work well because its hard to pull a story out of that. Kingdom Hearts does an ok job but is still corny. Dissidia was a train wreck and even other series the cross over games are bad (Tales of the World 1 + 2).

Square are a Japanese company who make games for Japan, primarily. Their first foray into making rpgs for a global market was Last Remnant which, whilst being pretty awesome, hardly won any sales volume awards. Final Fantasy XIII was made for Japan and you can bet that if they remake FFVII, they'll remake it the way Jap gamers want it.

This argument couldn't be truer for every FF sequel that exists. Money talks, creativity walks.

PS: There are people that liked 8, as crazy as that sounds.

Please. People will bitch and scream bloody murder, then turn around and buy 5 copies each, just like they will do with FFXIII.

Yeah but really I think 8 had the most closure in its ending. The ending was everyone happy and dancing and celebrating at some stupid Garden party. The games that have had sequels were probably intended to have sequels from the get go, at least thats what I always felt about X and X-2...regardless of how bad X-2 was. Not sure about VII (a CG movie counts I guess) but I don't think it was planned, like you said money talks and they basically realized there was an audience that would eat up anything related to FFVII.

This.

Times about 12,000.

I don't care about the remake or whatever, because I liked VII but I'd prefer they make a new game. On the other hand, I just finished XIII but in totality nothing about it other than the battle system really excited me.

God knows they're only in it to sell 15,000 yen necklaces now.

Sure as hell liked it more than FINAL Kristanallonis Chroniclino XXIV¾ Gaiden: International Edition.

Dude that game was groundbreaking; don't hate.

I'll state this forever, but 8 was pretty awesome til the end of disc 1.

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FF7 Remake.. because I know all of you are waiting for this scene in full CG

Nomura says in new Famitsu that he is aware of the obsession of an FF7 remake however it is not in development.

They wouldn't let Cloud have more belts.

Yes, Dolby God that they are aware of the fact that people want something, maybe that means they'll make it!

Considering you can get the Lionheart at the end of the disc only to find out you still have to deal with the two random limit breaks in between the first and the ultimate.

All that work for nothing.

I'm jumping on the XenoGears bandwagon.

I paid for two discs, I want to PLAY on two discs--not that exposition crap I got.

If you want gameplay instead of being force-fed a story, why would you buy a JRPG in the first place?

Because I get to beat people up without having to go to jail as a result. :)

I think I have issues.

I think FFVII remake will come, eventually...
but only after SE give us remakes of FFV and FFVI, they being working the remakes in chronological order up to now (at least up to this point) so i wouldnt get all hyped up about FFVII remake until i get news about a FFVI remake someday(hopefuly this year).

At the risk of sounding pedantic, it's rare for jrpgs to let you indiscriminatly beat up people. Random monsters sure but if a shop keeper fucks you off, you pretty much have to live with it whereas since the days of Ultima VI and probably before, western style rpgs have often allowed you to kill literally everyone in the game.

After thinking about that some more, I don't know. I'd love some more Xenogears action but I feel only a mild makeover would do it justice. It doesn't need to be transitioned into amazing PS3/X360 graphics ala Final Fantasy XIII but rather just improvement on the visuals while keeping the same look. PSP would be good, depending on if it could fit on a UMD, or do they even use those anymore? I have an old psp but heard talk that the new ones are all digital.

As far as the Final Fantasy VII remake...I still maintain that it would cause way too much hype that it couldn't live up to. For some reason people credit it as the great role playing game of all time. While I think it is ok, and was probably the first GREAT rpg on the Playstation (and think about it, back then other consoles didn't give up much in terms of competition...unless you count the god awful Quest 64 or Shining Force III or rather 1/3 of Shining Force III). Pretty much everyone who plays RPGs has either played FFVII or have heard the great things about it (some are exaggerated...alot).

I'm probably the only person on Earth who really enjoyed Xenogears' second disc.

It's like a $40 book whose pages I can't turn back!

Nah, Krel. I'm with you on that one. I think Skills is too, actually.

No Krel, I actually enjoyed the second disc as well. I thought it was a great change of pace, from the first disc. As great as the game is, I have said it before that it doesn't need to be remade. It is a great game, as long as you have the patience for it.

Sign me up for the Liked Disc 2 Squad.

I would have liked the second disc if there was a text speed option.

tbh the only reason I didn't like Disc 2 was because the plot moves drastically but I"ll be damned if I remember anything that happened. Everybody turns into alien sludge and I think the world is plunged into a snowy disaster but none of this is reflected on the world map? It's a damn shame.

tbh a little bit of it is. I vaguely remember being able to fuck about around post-crash Solaris for all of the thirty seconds the second disc lets you onto the world map for. Also, I recall Deus taking up a sizeable chunk of one of the landmasses.

Maybe I'm completely wrong. I haven't played it in at least five years.

Yeah, you'll have to sign me up too. A remake of Xenogears would be great, but if it had to be a Final Fantasy title I'd hope for V and VI to be remade, THEN VII.

Cheers.

I liked everything about Xenogears. It opened my third eye. It made FFVII look like a pile of dog poo by comparison, even with the second disc (which I thought was still good).

I love the whole Xenogears game, the music (which i love the new OCremix album), the story, everything. I honestly think that it is my all time favorite game. Yes the last disc was short and nothing but the story is what kept me playing for as long as i did. My mom was telling me to get off of the playstation so she could play and i told her straight out no, i was to captivated/immersed in the story to be bothered with anything else.

In other words,

I LOVE IT!

I was so thinking the same thing.

It was bad enough when you first started Xenogears and noticed how slow the text speed was compared what you are used to, but on disc 2 it just made you cry sometimes because it can drag on for so long because of it.