Over-Rated SNES Games
 

I'm a retro-gamer, there is nothing really too surprising about that. About a year ago I created a thread talking about what people though were some very under-rated games from the snes. This time around, I would like to turn the argument the other way.

From my personal opinion, I think its easier to pick games that are under-rated games, compared to games that are over-rated because over-rated games are definitely fun to play but there are always a variety of factors that can make people like them for the wrong reasons.

As I said before, you know I consider the SNES one of the best systems, just because of the extensive line-up of great games. Despite all the great games that the SNES has, do you feel there are great games that you feel may not deserve as much credit as what other people make them out to be.

I think it would make an interesting topic because I think some of us will probably list games that other members think they are great in every possible way.

Here is a game that I feel is a little over-rated:

1.) Super Mario RPG: Legend of the 7 Stars

I am bringing a whole bunch of hatred on myself. It is a fun game, don't get me wrong, but I know a lot of people that will list this game as the best rpg on the snes, and that is just a statement I can't accept when you have games such as Final Fantasy III (VI) and Chrono Trigger. This game isn't even in my top 5 rpg's for the SNES. Maybe one of the reasons why a lot of people like this game, is that it is the first rpg game for Mario (as far as I know), by all means it has excellent gameplay, a good soundtrack, and a nice amount of fun factor to it that added to people's enjoyment of it. I'll be honest I enjoyed the game, even though I found it a little too easy, but its just a game that I think is completely over-rated, compared to all the other great rpg's for the SNES. I would put this game as an above average rpg.

To the GFF community, what do you feel are snes games that are over-rated and by all means explain why?

I'm going to get raped by the hatecock for sure, but only one game comes to mind when this topic is brought up - Earthbound.

As blasphemous as that may sound, I think my reasons for not liking it so much when I first played it are sound - I was 10 years old, and I didn't know shit about shit. I enjoyed Rise of the Robots, for fuck's sake. As for Earthbound, I enjoyed the gameplay for the most part, but frankly I didn't see what the big deal was. I got probably a little less than halfway through before I hung it up, and that was that.

Since I've gotten older and wiser, I've been wanting to give it a decent shot since its reputation is as legendary as it gets, and I hate not being able to comprehend why. When I do go through it again, I will be sure to take my time and soak it all in before I render my final verdict.

Gotta be Secret of Mana. Game's pretty great in a lot of ways, but even when I was younger I didn't understand the high praise.

At first it's all cool when you're wandering around, slicing up rabites, and getting shot out of cannons, but you end up trudging through some extremely boring palaces with drab and repetitive tile work. Find enemy. Switch between characters and chain-slap it to death. Step on a button. Go to the next identical-looking room.

The battle system is poorly thought out (dodgy hit detection means higher charge attacks are never worthwhile; spell stacking = easy victory).

Yeah, the game has a couple classic songs. It also has a lot of unmemorable ones and some that are downright grating, all with tinny instrumentation that's far below average for the SNES.

The best parts of the game are when you're flying around on Flammie and finding neat places to explore, but there's just not enough of it. Every time I try to go back and replay it, I just give up and put in a Zelda game instead.

If I had to be entirely honest about it, I'd say the most overrated SNES game I've ever seen is Halo: Combat Evolved. I mean, who are they kidding. First off, the XBOX is a a huge piece of shit that probably runs off Windows ME and the controller is the worst Dreamcast ripoff ever.

The game is also pretty fucking unoriginal. Oh shit, you're some super dude who has to fight aliens in space. Halo? I liked it better when it was called Starship Troopers. Second, the music wasn't even good. It was just some dudes chanting over a bunch of drums. What is this, Africa?

Everyone says the multi-player was the real selling point, but it felt like a cheap Goldeneye, only without the paper fans or Oddjob. Or the part about being good. You basically ran around all day and hid behind rocks for thirty minutes while waiting for your gay ass shields to recharge. Might as well just fucking play Call of Duty.

Basically Halo is the worst SNES game I've ever played in my life.

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Damn right this game was fucking awesome. So awesome that I got the port for the DS.

It's gotta be California Games II. I remember when this came out, all the magazines were like "GAME OF THE YEAR?", and then two months later I'd flip to their mailbags and readers had replied with "YEAH IT IS". The perfect scores kept rolling in, you had to book in advance at video stores to rent it out for the weekend, and even then the waiting list was backed up for months.

A California Games II cartoon came about, it won 17 emmy awards, a gimmick band formed with their chart topping hit "California Games II is cool you should buy it come on now dance". It was a fucking nightmare. Every front page of every newspaper mentioned California Games II, 60 Minutes did a 90 minute special about the events.

"This one has hang gliding" they'd say to the developer, who was dressed up like royalty. He would simply nod his head in response. "That wasn't in the first one, what was going through your head when you made this heroic decision?" The developer would then just laugh right into the camera, for 87 minutes. This episode was soon released on VHS and caused a worldwide shortage of plastic to make the tapes.

It's just gotten worse thanks to the internet. You see all these stupid goons having a huge toss about how good it was. "Urr hurr, California Games II was the best Super Nintendo game ever, I loved the character development with the jet ski".

"I remember when I got a game over after falling off my skateboard on the half pipe, that was a huge plot twist! The true-to-life 3D Mode 7 graphics were even better than my grandma!"

I mean, yeah, California Games II was okay, but wow, the way everyone goes on about it you'd think it was the best game ever made.

For me it'd be all the Mario platformers. I've never been a huge platform game fan anyway but I've never got into Mario. The annoying inertia, music that rattles around your head on it's 20 second loop for weeks on end, retarded looking main character and complete vacuum of plot all add up to in my mind, a mediocre game.

I guess if I was a bit younger and had grown up with SNES then I might like it more but as a kid I was much more into proper computers, espescially the Amiga, which had much, much better platformers in my opinion.

I don't know what the fuck here. Nobody gives a toss about Mario RPG, so how could it be considered overrated? The game gets shit-all attention these days. If anything you should be considering it correctly-rated by your standards.

This explains absolutely everything. TRY IT THE FUCK AGAIN and don't pussy out this time. 50% of Earthbound's excellence occurs in the second half of the game, and you missed it all! :(

ANYWAY I would like to say that while I consider Secret of Mana super fucking awesome I do think that it rather overshadows its superior sequel. Yes.

I'd have to say that I never quite wrapped my head around Earthworm Jim:

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I mean, it's funny and wacky but the SNES had a ton of better platformers in it's time. EJ also has a habit of trying too hard to be edgy or funny. The character itself seemed to hold up well, considering the time it was released would likely be around when even soda had their own edgy characters (Spot, Fido Dido). It seemed like an opportunity to generate some IP while remaking Disney's Aladdin, which came out about a year earlier. Overall, it was an OK game but not deserving of the heaps of accolades people pile on it from time to time.

Please don't hate me...

You've broken my heart, Talbain.

It's broken.

By this do you mean Secret of Evermore or Seiken Densetsu 3? Evermore was ok, but SD3 was a fucking MASTERPIECE.

Super Star Wars

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I'm sorry but this game is just too fucking hard, even more so than its sequels. A lot of people like it A LOT - because its Star Wars? Bragging rights? Who knows - and I did give it a damn good try but this shit was just too fucking much - and I beat SW and ESB on the NES (which was no easy task, I'll tell you).

Evermore didn't grab me at any point. Cute game, but I played it through and didn't see the fuss. SD3, on the other hand, is among my favourite games on the console. Fucking shame it never got properly released in the west.

Everyone who props this sucks at video games.

There. I have fixed your blasphemous statement.

Just because it was tough didn't mean it sucked. It was a solid platformer that was worth every ounce of its replay value.

I remember having played Super Star Wars to death many years ago and thoroughly enjoying it. After replaying it some months back though I found that it had not aged very well. The thing about this game was that it was hard for the wrong reasons.

The collision detection was so skewered that it meant every single jump, even over that most benign of precipices, had the potential to bring you all the way back down and force you to redo an entire section of precariously placed platforms or, god forbid, lose one of your very limited number of lives. Hence, repetition was rewarded more than skill to an extent that made the game more frustrating than enjoyable. The enemies pushing you back like crazy every time you touched one of them didn't help much either.

How in the world do you figure Secret of Evermore is overrated? I think I've heard about a dozen people praise it in my whole life, which is a shame because it's not a bad game. If anything, it's pretty underrated.

I should look around more for collateral damage before I bring the big guns next time. :(

But at least you care enough for me to break your heart in the first place. I KNOW I WAS YOU FREDO. :tpg:

Because it was. I was never a fan of that retarded alchemy system and, really, that exact same system was glorified ad poena in FFXII with that retarded license system and is the one thing that turned me off of that game in the first place. Yeah, it's a good game but I know a lot of people who praise it's one of the greatest RPGs on the SNES when, to me, it's anything but. Don't get take me too seriously on this though because I'm kind of a douche about this; I still think Chrono Trigger is the best RPG ever made.

If you think Evermore is overrated, you really need to get outside this site more. You know, to the real world, where 90% of those people who have heard of Evermore loathe it for having the gall to subvert Seiken Densetsu 3.

The Real World, where people actually care about Seiken Densetsu 3

As well as you should pretty much. Chrono Trigger was absolutely amazing. Chrono Trigger is almost at the top of my list for " BEST RPG EVARRRR " only beat out by Shining Force I & II, and closely rivaled by Lunar: The Silver Star, Star Ocean: The Second Story, and Earthbound.

As for over-rated SNES games, I WOULD say Super Ghouls 'N Ghosts, but that may just because I have a deep hatred for the ridiculous difficulty of that game ( which strangely is the only reason I take the time to play it every now and then ) So, I'm going to say Donkey Kong Country. I liked the sequels, and DID have fun with this game, but overall, it wasn't really as great as some seem to think.

Ok, yes, snark registered and well deserved.

I restate. Talk with gamers at sites outside of gamingforce (neoGAF, gameFAQs etc) or in person and you will largely see nothing but ire aimed at SoE.

To be fair, those sites also worship everything their mother sites herald as "great" so it's really little more than mob mentality at this point. I'm just talking about people I personally know who played that game when I spew out my references; though, clearly, you are not one of them.

I'm just honestly surprised; you appear to know personally half of all the Secret of Evermore fans in the entire world.

Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen

Anything made by Quest actually.

Chrono Trigger is overrated, if only because it's only the second-best RPG on the SNES.


After 'nigma.

Wait....when did Secret of Evermore become loved? I mostly remember long posts ranting and raving that "How dare they bring out this shitty half assed Secret of Mana ripoff game instead of a true and proper Secret of Mana sequal!".

As for myself, I found Secret of Evermore alright, but not the hellhole that the haters preach or this lost hit that the lovers claim.

I still cry for the fact that almost nobody knows about the glory of Warsong.

I really enjoyed Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen. I don't recall it having a huge following though. It wasn't hated on like Evermore, but I rarely recall people praising it. This might be because like Warsong you couldn't find the damned game anywhere.

Hint hint nudge nudge I'm being a jerk~

I'll say it. SD3 was alright at best. To me, the Mana series took a total downturn when they got rid of the attack % charge bar and instead replaced it with BUTTON MASH BUTTON MASH SPECIAL ATTACK. If you look at how the gameplay changed in the SD games, SD3 fits perfectly in with their removal of everything that made SoM the best action-RPG ever (sorry Terranigma, you get a close #2).

SoE was a game I really wanted to love, but the alchemy system (goddamn that clay hardball spell was so strong until I got into antiquity :mad:) and general blah-ness of it ruined it.

Thank you .. I have always thought I was just a bad at it. The game was to hard and I wanted it to be good so much back then.

Earthworm Jim 1,2 - played them, beat them. Thought it had great art direction and humor but was otherwise unimpressed.
Secret of Mana/Evermore - boring battle and lack luster plot. SD3 was sooo much better.
UN Squadron - I like shmups and this game definitely let me down big time. Especially after it was proclaimed best shmup of all time by screwattack.

I'm glad people are mentioning Terranigma in a positive light. One of the most underated and underplayed SNES games. Man, I loved that game.

The only reason Terranigma is underplayed is that it never got released in NA. It's pretty much universally loved.

Earthworm Jim 2 seemed like it was trying way too hard to be funny. I think the first was good though.

Personally, I always thought that the Legend of Zelda for the SNES was overrated. I truly feel that while it was solid, there are many games that are far better for the SNES.

Similarly, I didn't think that this was a "bitch out the one you disagree with" thread. I made the claim because I believed it and if you don't like it, stay on topic.

This.

I was going to bring this game up but decided it would just unleash too much of a backlash from people who still see their experience with it through rose-colored glasses.

A Link to the Past was an okay game but it wasn't groundbreaking, nor was it even particularly original. It was just a retread of most of the things that made the original Legend of Zelda good, with some updated graphics. The Dark World was pretty gimmicky; even by the time the SNES era came about, the idea of an identical-but-sinister alternate dimension was already starting to get played out.

When viewed in the pantheon of Zelda games as a whole, Link to the Past is pretty mundane. Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker and hell, even Minish Cap have more charm and replay value. It may not be 100% fair to compare later games to the early, foundation-forming titles in the series , but by equal timeframe comparison, Super Metroid was also only the third in its series and that game was leaps and bounds a more inspiring and thrilling experience than Link to the Past managed to be.

But nostalgia plays a large part in fondness and it's hard to dislike Link, so I can see why people think Link to the Past is better than it truly is.

Oh wow for a guy who claims to be big into retro gaming you really don't know much about the history of vidya

I mean I suppose yes the fact that the original Legend of Zelda was top-down makes this game a hack

also that it features a dude named Link

The knee-jerk U SO RONG reaction to my opinion is only helping to prove how overrated A Link to the Past actually is.

Yes, Crash. And all that Weird Al that's bowed out in round 1 of SAUS over the years? You were right about all that, too. Your taste is impeccable.

That would totally apply if I nominated any of it, moron.

Well, maybe it wasn't SAUS. You've nominated Weird Al for something, and got all butthurt when nobody else liked it. We have a different song contest every week here, fuck if I can keep them all straight.

Doesn't change my point.

Edit: Just checked, you've nominated Weird Al not once, but twice for SAUS.

Moron.

My taste is my own. This doesn't make me any more wrong than it makes you right.

Doesn't invalidate my point.

So the point of this thread was to point out things that everyone agrees to be overrated?

Am I the only one that sees the inherent flaw in this

I mean I think he's wrong too but jesus dudes

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V no see uh you guys appear to be confusing "overrated", a subjective notion, with "bad", an objective notion, which

The whole POINT of an OVERRATED!!! thread is to dis on games other people liked

it's kind of inevitable

"I never did that. Moron." "You did. Twice." "Well okay yeah. But still somehow you're wrong."

Wow.

Oh yeah Link uses a sword in this game, re-tread

Yes.


As far as the topic goes, I have always thought Star Fox was pretty overrated. I guess the graphics were kind of impressive at the time, but the strict flight paths made it feel really underwhelming.

1: Played A Link to the Past. Thought it was okay but nothing special.

2: Played it again about a decade later. Still didn't find it to be as amazing as others said it was.

3: Played other Zelda games. Found them more interesting and exciting.

4: SO UNINFORMED

you think LTTP was rehashan. I don't know how else to describe you other than ignorant.

But Crash what you're missing here is that a lot of people like it.

I think it's safe to say the anger in this thread needs a quick cool down period for Crash to remember that he knows how to think and the rest of us to remember this whole thing has been a joke since word one.

A thread on how overrated SNES titles are is quickly filled with schmuck opinions and headshakingly bad taste.

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The kitten is the only one surprised.

(adorable)

hi pang

fancy seeing you here

why lurker dear whatever could you be implying

i think i heard someone else expressing an opinion

quick to the Pangmobile

Sorry. :(

it's ok let's be friends http://www.belkanairforce.com/deni/Kitten%20Suprise.gif

I am not wild about a popular thing!

I like things that others do not!

I am clearly deficient!

From now on, I will only like things that are super popular because being a sheep is how you establish mental superiority!

Be back later! Going to a NASCAR event, and then listening to some Kanye West albums. No, you can not come with me.

tantrum detected

sympathy levels dropping

Yes, well done Crash. Liking Weird Al's worst songs is a sign of your genius. Compare everyone to Hitler next (hint: you are the Jews).

Pang this is what you are defending. I hope you are proud of yourself. :(


CURSES foiled by precious seconds

Actually, I kinda went to park my car, then came back and made a sarcastic reply without noticing that the thread had descended into nonsequiturs and kitten macros.

Sorry.:eagletear:

Man Crash you really don't handle this well when you're not on the giving end, do you

The fuck, how did 4 of us post within 70 seconds of each other

f5in like its going out of style

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Saying "I don't like A Link To The Past" is alright

Saying "I don't like NASCAR" is alright

Saying "NASCAR doesn't even have any cars what the fuck is this" is slightly off

Do you see where I am going with this

D'awwwww

Is it too late for everyone to turn on me for saying FFVI?

It's a little grating when you state an opinion and everyone is like, "That's wrong."

And I'm like "Technically, I can't be wrong. I'm just stating what I think."

And they're "No, you're wrong. Also, because it'll sting, your taste in music sucks too."

And I'm "Wait, that wasn't even called for, honestly."

And they're "You are pretty much wrong at all things."

And I'm "But...it was only the opinion of one person..."

And then I leave the room for a moment and they're all "KITTEHS!"

And I come back and am :snarkmode:

And they're "WTF DUDE YOUR MUSIC STILL SUCKS :OFFTOPIC:"

And you're all "Why can't you just be cool and not defend your opinions?"

And see why I might raise an eyebrow?

FFVI is a game where you can paint people and the paintings will come to life and murder them

I will brook none of your insolence

Everyone knows this is Crash's favorite game anyway.

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That's what you really think happened.

:cmbirthday:

Except you didn't state just an opinion, Crash. You tried to state something as fact.

The game is a retread. It didn't add any elements blah blah blah. Just not true. See the difference.

No, you interpreted it as fact.

Know the difference.

You defended it as such.

Link to the Past is my favorite Zelda game of all time. If he didn't like it, then he didn't like it. It's just his opinion, it's not hurting anyone.

On the other hand I realize just now that the game may be deeply flawed

ZELDA THREAD. I didn't like The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.

That was a terrible Super Nintendo game.

I bet it didn't even work when you put it into your Super Nintendo.

What a useless hunk of plastic Ocarina of Time was.

Hay, it's better than Link to the Past. Link to the Past totally ripped off Ocarina's flow, man! First you got to collect them three pendants just to prove your worth. Then after you proved your worth you get this big ass Master Sword. Then you go around rescuing people and collect them sages/sage descendants. Pfft.

Just a retread of the original. Oh yes. Can't see how that would be read as a statement of fact. I don't know what has you in this fully fucking, woe is me whiny stage lately Crash, and I don't particularly care, and no doubt this will have pang in here within two seconds calling me a hypocrite, but: Stop being such a bitch. Whatever it is, just get over it and stop acting like a douchebag.

Wait, it was plastic? But... but the box told me it was limited edition GOLD! I thought I'd made quite the investment.

This Super Nintendo game just keeps getting worse.

This thread is worse than the I make tribute videos thread

And before anyone says it I've posted in both of them

DENIED

EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE

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Heh. "Novice trolls"...

Zerg you know very well that will only work for like maybe 2 hours tops. Why do you do this?

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Incredible how Zelda can still make any internet into serious business. It even boringized the halfwits at 4chan.


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First game to use Mode 7 and supposedly "the fastest and smoothest pseudo-3D racer ever on a console at that time".
All my friends were like hey, we rented this here awesome game again. Wanna play again, again? Again? I thought the hype would never die.

For some reason, the universe intended for this one being to find this particular game tedious and annoying. I do not know why :(

I didn't know 4chan moved that fast. :(

Zerg, even if you didn't you should know that its content is auto-deleted after a certain amount of time. That's how extremely active image boards work.

Huh. Didn't know that either. So basically you can say anything you want there, and it generally won't come back to haunt you eh?

So anyway, in an attempt to un-derail said thread and divert attention from my ignorance of how active image boards work, I'll just come out and say that I felt Tales of Phantasia was overrated.

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There was a lot of interest over it when it was first dumped in its entirety in the turn of the millennium (I can't recall the year now, but it has to be between 1999-2001, when the ZSNES message boards was my forum home.) This interest intensified when DeJap released a patch, and later a full translation in 2001.

The game doesn't have incredible graphics (SD3's background look sweeter than ToP), and I don't really find the tunes special (though I did dig the Aviators flying theme). The battle system is unusual for an RPG system, and was rather innovative for its day, although as far as action-adventure games go, I prefer the SoM control scheme.

Looking back, perhaps I might have misinterpreted the popularity of the game. It is entirely possible ToP was talk of the town only because of the novelty factor. ToP was by far the biggest ROM to have finally been dumped at that time. It was also the only SNES game (to my knowledge) to have an opening song with full vocals, something that's trivial after the cartridge days.

If anything, the interest in Star Ocean after the graphics pack was decompressed in 2001 certainly was a close parallel to ToP's popularity. (I never did pick up Star Ocean though; without a manual, I found the battle system a bit tricky to pin down, and there was no full translation or full SDD-1 support for a long while.)

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It's Marvel vs. Capcom 2 for me, but that's because 90% of its online players use Magneto, an orange-colored Sentinel and Storm. Plus the usual Cable player assholes who spam Viper Beam all day.

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... we've been over this: Motoi (especially 16-bit Motoi) is horribly overrated, and doesn't do anything outside of the game context.



MOVING ON.

I just checked, because I was looking for something else and figured while I was there...

I only nominated Weird Al once. It was in SAUS I.

Good job at making up lies just to prove your point.

Moron.

Was it Hardware Store? =o

My mistake; I didn't think anyone other than you would be able to pick a song to nominate - out of Weird Al's entire catalogue, which I generally like - that was so terrible.

All that proves is that I didn't think that arguing with you was important enough to waste time performing more than a cursory search. All it changes is that instead of saying you nominated a Weird Al song not once, but twice, I should've said "yes, in fact, you did nominate a Weird Al song, contrary to what you have previously said."

The fact is you were still wrong, your taste is still dubious at best, and yes, you are still a moron.

Ahahaha jesus christ this is from so long ago I forgot about it. Dear lord. You pick the most trivial shit to hold grudges over.

GOD DAMN IT WAS IT HARDWARE STORE?! :mad:

No, it was "Biggest Ball of Twine in Minnesota."

If I were to nominate another Weird Al song, though, it'd probably be Hardware Store.

But that's a pretty big if.

Pancreas would be better.

Final Fantasy VI/Final Fantasy 6/Final Fantasy III/Final Fantasy 3...or whatever the fuck people are calling it nowadays. I realize it's popular, not only here but in other gaming communities and I really have to question why. I mean I played it when it came out, I was coming off the high of awesomeness that was Final Fantasy IV/2 so I figured "Oh snap, next game is going to be even better". I was very disappointed. It contained character I didn't care about and the story started way too slow and turned into a clusterfuck of predictable scenarios.

I realize that to alot of people it will be unfathomable how anyone could talk bad about the great FFVI, and I just want to say that it is by no means not a bad game, just as the thread says...an overrated game.

Isn't there a rule against thread necromancy? Crash, I am disappoint.

I didn't know that the statute had been reduced to less than a month.

I'll keep this in mind the next time Paco posts something to the MEC thread.

Overrated SNES games? There is no such thing. Period.

Well, apart from Mortal Kombat perhaps.

You're dead! Who's laughing now?

Me, that's who! Hahahahahhaa!

You'd best be looking over your shoulder for mysteriously falling magazine racks.