The Upcoming Marvel Civil War
 

I've heard about a "Civil War" in the Marvel Comics for a couple months now, so this is the thread to discuss it.

Is it going to be something like The Avengers Vs X-Men or something? or just general assortment of Superhero groups slit down the middile based on some political issue? I don't have the specifics on hand right now.

Not at all. Basically some innocents get killed as a result of superhero vs supervillain nonsense and the US Government for some reason suddenly starts to care. They try to pass a bill that states that all heroes/villains have to reveal their identities and basically Iron Man and Captain America disagree on the issue. This somehow turns into some big war between all Marvel people. People are going to die. That's about all we know so far.

Oh, the Wizard preview seems to imply that it was caused by



Although nothing has been confirmed yet. I just hope that it turns out better than Infinite Crisis.

From what I have read this is shaping up to be a great crossover. I certainly hope this is much better than the last few times Marvel has tried this.

The DC crossovers have been horrible of late as well.

I can't wait for this. Cap vs. Tony, I mean, they've been buddies ever since and now they're gonna fight each other. Each of them thinks what they're doing is the right thing, the other party just doesn't see it their way, so nobody's good/bad. I wonder how this'll go.

I think this issue has a lot of potential with the current political landscape. I enjoyed the way DC handled it with the JSA and other heroes after WWII and the onset of McCarthyism. If Marvel's approach entails Captain America beating the hell out of somebody, it will certainly pique my interest.

Could anything turn out worse than Infinite Crisis?

Ya, like if they gave an angsty teenage Spider-Man cosmic powers and sent him off to be the savior of the universe.

No, that wouldn't be worse because that would probally be still be written with some kind of logic and haivng some kind on continuity.

What a retarded premise for a Superhero war. It's like Marvel just made this huge metaphor for the Political Palace.

I don't think metaphor is the right word. Maybe you mean that they made it so that it could be discussed in Political Palace?

No, metaphor is the right word. It's a political issue that can apparently be only solved with violence, and since nothing in the Palace is ever resolved it is sort of a parallel.

Unless this is some Watchmen-esque social commentary about Might Makes Right, which would already be cliched, the implied message is that nothing can ever be resolved except through sheer force. Which is a pretty depressing message considering how minor of an issue this is.

In defense of Infinite Crisis, I find it quite entertaining :)

It has quite a lot to offer to those who have a good degree of knowledge in the DC Universe.

Let's see how it plays out and count the Kingdom Come prallels (and I'm not saying this to attack Marvel, as a matter of fact, DC's latest retcon mayhem scared me away for years to come).

So, this is canon stuff and not some sidestory? I can't keep up with all these different little titles being released. Marvel Zombies, House of M, jesus.

In light of this discussion, here's some additional info (spoiler warning) of the upcoming Marvel event.

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/show...threadid=63483

Wow. New Avengers: Illuminati

Marvel pretty much spoiled that already - just like with Gambit becoming a horseman of the apocalypse.

QFT.



Before reading Illuminati I wasn't that interested in Civil War. Now I just have to pick it up, I'm quite curious as to who chooses what side.

And I hope that Peter leaves Tony's side for the sole reason of ditching that ugly new costume. Christ, I'd rather have the Ben Reilly Spidey costume or even Scarlett Spider back.

Well, maybe not.

I'm still confused about the whole Tony thing:

So it seems. More importantly, though, is that this Civil War is supposed to split the X-Men and the FF over that issue. On the cover to Civil War: Frontline, it clearly depicts Cyclops on one side and Colossus on another.

First of all, Civil War starts this week, so we need a thread title change to "Marvel Civil War Discussion Thread". Also, I can't wait for the first issue. Heroes battling it out over whether or not they should receive a paycheck to do what they do. This is the series that actually has me agreeing with 616 Cap (I've hated him because of the Thunderbolts series). This is going to be some good stuff. Check out a preview here:

http://comics.ign.com/articles/700/700643p1.html

Hey guys, NPR is covering the Marvel Civil War. :D

you can go listen it here, the audio will be avaliable around 6PM Eastern Time. >.> I missed the later part of the interview. >.>
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5376903

I haven't read that many Captain America comics, so this is probably a very silly question, but why is Captain America going against the American Government instead of Iron Man?

the whole idea of this just sounds kind of.......lame.

Why is it lame? I think that it's great. It's a much better concept than Infinite Crisis.

Becuase it is. It sounds like the government is making them register their id and some heros agree, and others do not. Why is that a civil war? So becuase they disagree over a piece of legislation, they're going to fight over it?

Uhh... you obviously don't understand this thing. It's much more than that. It's about an idea, a way of life. The government is going to hunt down those heroes that do not abide by the law using other heroes to do the job.

Just read the first issue, you'll understand. It was a great book btw. The art is amazing and the writing was up there with his Ultimates stuff.

I'll concede to that. I haven't picked up a new comic in probably over 5 years, though I still check up on what's going on. Is this the book by Joe Mad? He was always one of my favorite artists.

The first issue is alright. I wasn't expecting much, so I wasn't disappointed. Storyline-wise it's pretty standard stuff, nothing we haven't been expecting for the last few months. Art-wise it's definitely better than Infinite Crisis, but it all looks too smooth for my liking, like it was airbrushed to death. I dunno. Iron Man v4 has the same feel to it. Some people may like it, some people may not, but it certainly isn't my cup of tea.

I love the art. I don't like how Marvel basically told us what was in the issue before it got here though. At least they haven't spoiled the rest of the series yet.

It was sort of interesting, yes. But the proposed legislation wasn't as bad as I thought. Vacation pay, a pension, a fed ID... just like SHIELD agents. Methinks they be making mountains out of molehills though.

The art rocks. I really adore McNiven's art, although sometimes the faces don't look right. But still, his angles for his panels are great. As for issue #1, I enjoyed the part where Cap busted out of S.H.I.E.L.D.... nobody messes with the Cap.

heh.



but the new BPRD overshadowed this, IMO :p

BPRD?

McNiven's art was amazing. I can only imagine what the crazy fights in future issues will look like.

This Civil War seems a bit eerie to me. Through this, I've been able to draw at least five different parallels between the Big Three of Marvel and the First Triumvirate of the Roman Republic. I have to rearrage some traits, like the one dying not being the wealthy one, but it still works. I guess this means Cap dies when the whole thing's over.

There is no way that Marvel is going to kill Captain America. Well, then again, Millar did say that he wanted the death to be meaningful... maybe you're on to something.

Keep in mind, Caesar didn't die until after the civil war was over. Though, if Marvel killed Cap, they could continue the parallels and have him become some sort of god. Steve Rogers: God of Democracy.

Read Civil War #1 and Infinite Crisis #7 in the same day.

I can definately see which is going to be the winner already. Miller is getting to the point and showing us what we want. He's not bringing in 12536 D-list characters in an effort to jerk off the 4 fanboys that actually give a shit about them.

Also McNiven needs to be on more books now.

Millar is just great. I need to read everything that this man has written. He has been on such a good streak lately.

You want to read Wanted! that is a good series

Well, he is if you exlcude the most recent Ult. FF story arc. That made little sense.

I'm not sure about McNiven's art, yet. Maybe it has to grow on me or something. It was just sort of uninspiring for me.

Read it. Loved it.

What did you not like about the recent Ultimate FF stuff? I've loved the book ever since Millar jumped aboard.

Haven't they announced that Reed and Sue were going to be on opposite sides of this thing?

Actually,

MAD is doing Ultimates 3 with Jeph Loeb.

Well, Captain America was created as more of a super soldier that would be used to win all wars for the Americans, he figured this out and destroyed the lab he was created in so that no more like him could be made. I could imagine that he would go against the government IF it had something to do with the super soldier idea, as for any other reason, don't tell me, i am about to head over and pick up some comics today...Infinite Crisis and Marvel Civil War. I need some good literature in my life ^_^

Captain America won't make it as a super-hero, if he were created today.

Think about it. A scrawny guy gets an injection, and develops secksy muscles. Illegal steroids anyone? :D

I wasn't talking about all of his Ult. FF stuff, just the President Thor arc. The time travel within that story was some of the worst time travel storytelling I've ever read. It's kind of hard to put into words without coming off as an angry loon...

I wouldn't complain. I mean, so long as he ditches that fucking dumbass costume and changes his name to something like Captain Pwnage.

I don't care what you guys say, Cap owns. That sequence of Cap in Civil War #1 rocks. Don't mess with the Cap.

Now son, go read the Captain America V5 like the good soldier that you are.

Hmm... not really. 616 Cap is a prick. Yes, he was awesome in Civil War #1, but other than that... Ultimate Cap is awesome though.