Pre-Pre-E3 Wii thread
 

Okay, I'll concede that you guys can have a discussion on Revolution. It's going on in other threads and even other forums so I figure you guys might as well have a place here in Mario's Warp Room.

Just be warned that if you fag this thread up like the preceding Revolution threads then you will be banned from this thread and perhaps for a week or two from Mario's Warp Room or all of the gaming forums. Also, In the time between now and E3 Infernal and I might set up a thing we've been talking about called Iwata Time Out which basically bans you from Mario's Warp Room for a day or two. That may be used as a minor punishment as well. So basically behave in this thread or else.


This is the Pre-Pre-E3 thread for discussion of Nintendo's next generation console code-named Revolution. As such it will be closed most likely a week before E3 for the creation of a Pre-E3 thread with the same principle and rules.

Link to prior Revolution thread for time piecing.

Enjoy your speculation and what not and please, play nice.

lol, when I first saw this thread name in the forum and your name as the most recent poster my thought was you had closed it after someone else had created it.

Hee hee. Not for this one. Not yet at least.

Now make with Revolution discussion! =U

I am getting the Revoltuion solely for the opportunity to secure a legitimate copy of Kirby's Dreamland 3. And maybe get one of those games that uses the controller thingy, whatever.

I managed to nab a copy of Kirby's Dreamland 3 from my local Gamestop before they stopped selling used SNES games. I was really surprised because I didn't even think at the time that Kirby's Dreamland 3 even made it to the states. I thought it only was in Japan so that really made my day. I'm looking forward to what Nintendo is able to do with the Virtual Console too.

What if I'm gay? :(



Anyways, I want a revolution because it'll actually be affordable. After getting the 360, I haven't been able to get but one game for it.
My Cash went to the trash.

You know what I mean by fagging it up. The last couple Revolution threads were EXCELLENT examples of what not to do. I and other mods like Infernal and Qwarky will be the judge of if you are fagging it up in this thread. This shouldn't be confusing. Now please, on with the Revolution discussion.

Has Elixir been pre-emtively banned from the thread? Because that's the only way I can see this remaining homosexual free.
Lol at Iwata Time Out idea.
Yeah I think rev will be good.

Also did anyone notice on the photos of the Rev's backside that it only seems to have a digital component out, like the Gamecubes used to have. No HD support my arse.

Well, it's supposed to only support 480p, and that's everyone's problem. The 360 can support 720p, and the PS3 is supposed to support the elusive-and-unnecessary-for-at-least-the-next-six-years 1080p.

But who the crap can afford a HD TV? If you can, you're probably too old to be playing video games.

http://img.hexus.net/v2/gaming/screenshots/revol2.jpg

Codename Revolution says:

"Standard and Enchanced Definition support for SD, ED, HDTV and Computer Monitors"

But maybe its got all those hidden ports like on the Cube.

Don't play the "no one has a HDTV lol" card, it just doesn't work. HD will get pretty popular pretty soon, and it will be a big deal to many people.

That said, I personally don't give a shit about HD, and I think that the Rev is going to fucking rule (especially if it releases at 99-149).

My biggest concern right now is the virtual console support. How well will Nintendo support it, how much, and who will they get on board are all topics that can turn the console from a good idea, to fucking paradise.

- WraithTwo -

As a person who's job entails selling HDTVs and their parts, I'll tell you right now that purchasing them at the moment is not feasable. They're overpriced, unstreamlined, require pricey, pricey cabeling and make your none-HD material look worse than your SDTV does. Yeah, they're definately the wave of the future, but there's just no reason to buy them now when the future models will be a lot better, cheaper and have less compatibility issues. Therefore, I can totally see where Nintendo's coming from with the exclusion of HD support from the Revo.


While I'm sure that it won't last this way, at moment, a lot more people are still buying regular ol' TVs as opposed to the sexy HD sets we have. I guess it all depends on how rapidly HDTVs become more affordable. Yeah, Nintendo took a risk by excluding the HD support, but so did Sony and MS by including it. I guess I'm not really sure which side to call out as the one that's gonna get backfired just cause it can go either way. So, as of now, both startegies are valid.

Anyway, enough of that blabbering. I was curious if the various colors that they showed the Revo in during last year's E3 were confirmed for launch or not. I mean, as slick and sexy as the black one is, some of us fags here may want to go with something a bit more bold.

I know, I know. I was just joking around with your use of "fagging it up"

Fag up the thread? Hah.

Isn't 480i(or p, keep forgetting..) a step below HD, but better than standard?

480i is standard, its what normally comes over analog if I'm correct.

P is a step above standard, its progressive scan. Technically, it is HD actually I think.


I really want to see how Nintendo structures its online system though, if it does a good job, its in a great fighting position. Especially since Sony is supposedly going to charge somewhere in the region of $600 according to the European exec.

I thought the exact same thing...I was even surprised the other thread about that Raid over the River "Revolution" game wasn't closed. But anyway, enough of that.

Well, I'm really not sure what else to add that hasn't been said in the previous (closed) threads, since there was actually a bit of discussion in them past the flaming and yelling. Has anything been said about the DS connectivity yet? I don't remember if they've announced anything in regards to that yet other than to say that it will be possible. Oh, and on that note, have they said if you'll be able to use Revolution's wireless connections as a LAN connection? It would be pretty handy if you would be able to set up multiple Revolutions in close proximity without a wire connecting them for LAN play.

On the topic of HD, yes, HDTVs are becoming popular, and considering the Revolution isn't out yet, it doesn't really matter how many people have one NOW since noone has the console yet anyway. It would make more sense to consider the issue of how many HDTV owners are out there when the Revolution is actually out. But, the thing that truely baffles me is why they won't support high resolution monitor output when they're pushing the "connects to a PC monitor" feature. With the Xbox 360, you can buy a $15 VGA cable and use a TV monitor as a high definition display device. That's a pretty inexpensive solution for playing games in HD without buying an HDTV (since presumably, the people in this thread are using a computer monitor...). But they'd probably have to make the console a bit bigger in order to have adaquate cooling for the GPU if they wanted to support higher resolution, so I guess it's the price we pay for having a small system.


You're correct about 480i, however 480p is not HD. It would be considered ED (Enhanced Definition), since it's actually just a clearer standard definition but doesn't actually offer more detail (both run at 640x480 for a standard 4:3 signal, the difference is just whether or not it's interlaced, much like 1080i to 1080p).

I'm not sure where I read this (or if I'm just making it up...), but I think I remember Nintendo confirming it a while ago. There was also a rumor that the Rev would be capable of game sharing like on the DS, so that + LAN would be just about the best thing ever.

Hmmm...now I'm thinking. I'm pretty clueless when it comes to interpretting specs and I pretty much know shit about anything, but the latest specs from IGN say that the rev will have a few segmented sections of RAM. Is it possible that one's for saves, one's used while playing games, and one's used for storing temporary game data for game sharing? IGN said that there was extra "external" RAM which could be accessed as quickly as the internal RAM, could it be used for something like this? Don't see why not.

I do so love a good Revolution discussion. I hope no one mentions Donkey Konga. (Whoops!)

Anyway, on the subject of HDTV, in Europe they are pretty rare so far, but I can see them becoming more popular even over here. I do understand the trade-off, and looking at the price point of the next gen, I don't think HDTV content is quite worth it now. But in almost a year, who knows?


Anyway, how do you people feel about Sega and T16 content on the console? Or the retro content in general?

I've talked with my friends about this, and it seems to me like they are uncharacteristically excited about this part of the console. I personally think it's a great idea in theory, but in practice I honestly don't know if I'll make use of it. Technically, the games I would want to play I can emulate (legally, since I bought the games originally). Are we really going to want to play Sonic Spinball on the Revolution, rather than just emulating it? Will this feature significantly affect the position of the console?

I love the whole idea about the Virtual Console. I've stressed this out many times, but hey, I'll say it again.

I've missed out on a great childhood. I've never played any NES or SNES games. I haven't played many N64 games although I own one. I mean, by getting the Revolution, what's a better way to relive your childhood, you know?

Plus, I like some of the games on the Gamecube, so, since Nintendo finally has a console that's backwards compatible, there's another plus.

To be honest, I don't mind if the Revolution is several times more powerful than the Gamecube. The Gamecube was pretty powerful in its own right, and hell, it only used the mini-disk.

The ONLY thing they need to make the Revolution the perfect console IMO is the inclusion of GB/GBC games a la Super Gameboy. If they did that, I would die a happy man. <3

Exactly. You're the kind of person who I think has the most benefit from this feature. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's bad or anything, and there's a delicious sense of victory in having the back catalog of former rivals on your machine I suppose. I'm just wondering if there are people who were gamers at that young age who will be making use of that feature.

Well, let's take the N64.

- Emulating the N64 is pretty terrible in my opinion. Out of the question (actually, I hate emulating anything, h8 keyboard)
- My controllers are completely shot because of the awful control stick.
- Most games have such terrible frame-rate that I can't play them without feeling sick.

Now, I'm assuming the Rev will improve the framerate for these games, but I think it's pretty likely so whatev. So instead of buying extra N64 controllers (where can I even find them?) for multiplayer and putting up with the terrible frame-rates, I'd rather download the games and play them on the Rev. I wouldn't mind spending more money on Rev controllers because I'd be able to use them in the future for NES, SNES, N64, and Rev games (and cube, perhaps.)

And then there's the fact that the Rev will be able to replace my SNES, N64, Genesis, and Cube on the shelf, freeing up TONS of space. I never owned an NES or Turbo either, but I guess emulating them wouldn't be so bad because they don't have many buttons. Whatever.

There are also the people like my mom who play nothing by NES games, but just can't really do it without the NES around. The only reason she doesn't play games with me like she did when I was 4 is because they aren't one of two things-

1. Tetris
2. Simple

What's so awesome about the Rev is that I truly see a really big audience for it outside of the demographic that Sony and MS reach out to. People like my mom would buy it just for the virtual console, and then see the cool new control scheme and rediscover gaming.

A big reason older people have lost interest in gaming is because of how damn complex everything has become. 4 face buttons, 4 shoulder buttons, 2 analog sticks, it's all greek to them. The Rev is going back to the glory days when everything was simple, and then combining it with modern technology, and it's fucking brilliant. Gameplay on the Rev is going to be like playing games on the NES - A bit of an adjustment, but so god damn simple and awesome.

Yeah I think the Revolution will appeal especially to two groups:

1) "connoiseurs" of games. People who know game designers by name, have game music ringtones, etc. They will appreciate the innovative nature of the machine, as well as the retro element for nostalgic reasons (or to unearth the history of their favourite medium).

2) "normal people". My mom loves the DS, and so does my dad. They also do not see the difference between Oblivion and current-gen games, except when I specifically point out what to look for. They will love the directness of the games, and the price of the console will be such that they won't feel bad about buying it.

And of course Japanese people. It kind of goes without saying. =D

I'm nearly 100% sure that Iawata said that they will be able to connect wirelessly for LAN play all the way back at the '05 E3 adress. IIRC, he also said that some games would have a download play so that you could LAN with one disc, much like you can with the DS.

- WraithTwo -

I like the virtual console because my mum gave away my nes and snes a few years ago. There are so many times that I wished I had it back to replay some of my favourite old games. I found this old school book of mine from 1993 and I wrote that I got up to a new level in trog, I totally want to play trog again and finish it.

If duck hunt was available for download does anyone know how it would work. Would/could there be a sort of gun handle and trigger thing that you could plug into the back of the rev controller or could you just point the controller and click the big A button to fire. I think that being able to add stuff to the back of the controller could be handy with games like this

My guess is that the Rev controller would act as a light gun in the case of games like duck hunt. There's another thing to look forward to... Hopefully we'll see a bigger abundance of light gun games considering the controller practically IS one.

The games i'm most looking forward to seeing right now are

- SUPER SMASH BROS

What I mostly want to find out is how they are going to make the controls work. I wonder if this is going to be a launch title? Development was started only recently, will it be playable at E3? Perhaps they'll just show a trailer showcasing all the characters / stages / what the game is like etc.

- NEW GRASSHOPPER GAME

Gouichi Suda of Grasshopper promises this game will "exceed Killer 7" and Killer 7 is fucking awesome. It's also going to make full use of the Revolution controller, I think with the way Grasshopper design games it could really benefit from taking full advantage of the Revolutions features.

- New Tokyo EAD game (DK Rev?)

The makers of Donkey Kong Jungle Beat have been quiet for over a year, they have to have something in store for Revolution, and it could be a launch title. DKJB is my favourite game of all time so I'm obviously excited for this.

But most of all i'm looking forward to all the surprises. :)

We're going to see Miyamotos brand new franchise at E3, hopefully that's going to be something really special.

They said the colors are not final, but I assume any of the "sexy" ones are to stay...probably a few neat ones bundled with special edition games.

w00t! A half-legitamate Revo thread!

Judging from the specs on IGN, Rev games are gonna look relativly pretty. Okay, maybe it's a supped up Xbox but think Resi 4 times 1.5 and the future is looking alrighty (no pun, sorry).

I am pretty sure graphics just as good as RE4 is all I'll need. Better than that is just a bonus.

A-Fucking-Men. Killer7 was my favorite game of last year. I can't wait to see what else these guys can pump out. Aren't they making a DS game as well?

I'm looking forward to a bunch of precision-type games... In that TGS video where it showed people playing with the controller, it showed some guy performing dental work. Games like that will no doubt sell THROUGH THE ROOF in Japan, because you know how they like crazy shit like that. Maybe Miyamoto is going to unveil a whole line of virtual doctor games where you perform dental work, surgery (a la Trauma Center), laser surgery, and other stuff like that.

The possibilities are endless with the Rev, which is what I like about it so much.

I also think it will appeal to trendy kids. I mean, it looks iPodish, right? The only reason why people have iPods is because it's sleek and trendy. Parents will agree with the price too, or so it seems.

I agree with #2. My girlfriend's sister borrowed my DS. My girlfriend used to rag on me for it, saying she hated it. It seems like now my girlfriend plays it more than her sister, and even her Dad took the DS from her and started playing it. To be honest, all in all, if the DS was really just a "test drive" affair for the Revolution, Nintendo's got it right. Sales show this and people's opinions/reviews show this. I've yet to meet someone with a DS who DOESNT love it.

Double Post:
Don't forget, if we're going by announced games...
Camelot is making an RPG for the Revolution unnamed as of yet...

Okay, I think this is something new. The newest issue of Gameinformer has a report on an Ubisoft game called Red Steel. Some things from the mag:
And there's pictures of the magazine too: Here and Largely the same here.

If Red Steel really does look like that then Revo graphic whores won't have to worry about a single thing; the graphics are still relatively detailed and rather realistic!

Another thumbs up for Nintendo here :D.

Get out. No one cares about RPGs. THis is a gaming Revolution, I don't want to play RPGs anymore. Grubdog was talking about games worth looking forward to.

Hahaha, well yeah I agree with RAB, and i'd like Camelot to drop that RPG and give me more Mario Tennis goodness. Rev will need a tennis game, and / or a ping pong game... give me a handball game too, heck Curveball would work really well.

Or perhaps Camelot may change RPG's forever with a totally new convention exclusive only to Revo. Whatever that is I don't know but... Hey, Retro managed to create a "first-person adventure".

What ever happened to the rumoured "Game Zero" with the company Zoonami? Apparently ex-Rare members in that group were supposed to be working with Nintendo on this game. E3, maybe?

Yeah... well people were asking the same questions about them back in 2002, I don't expect anything from them any time soon, if ever.

Well, I'm hoping they don't overshadow Zelda TP for Revo. Ever since the delay I've been needing some Zelda loving. Hopefully... they'll show TP with Revo functions, then I'll get the best of both worlds! Yay!

I'm hoping they pull a leftie out of their ass. I love it when Nintendo do that. GBA Next, maybe?

Anyway, pull almost all your curtains back Nintendo... We've all been hidden in the shadow for too long!

That'd be pretty impressive. Six or seven first-party titles would pretty much guarantee at least four or five great games at launch, and then at least one or two from the 13 or 14 third-party games. It'd be quite a feat.

But then again, there have been some funky quotes taken from George Harrison before. Like the Virtual Console games being free. That was apparently taken the wrong way by the media, but he might be doing the same thing again.

He said at launch, which could mean launch WINDOW as well, not launch day.
But, you are right.

Either way, still looking better than 360's lineup/launch.

*remembers Gamecube launch*

Well hopefully all the launch games will scream in non-gamers' faces, "BUY ME I AM THE ELDER COUSIN TO THE DS AND YOU WILL BE INTRODUCED TO A WHOLE NEW WORLD OF GAMING" or whatever the hell the DS is saying to pull non-gamers in.

Yeah, screw all those "old" game types, the Revolution is about moving forward, about not being restrained or having to look at an old game ever again!

*looks at Virtual Console*
*looks at Shell*

Ohhhhh snap!

The Nintendo Revolution is a combination of the old and the new.
Besides, using history as an anology, RPGs aren't just "the past". They're that part of the past, probably the Holocaust or at least the Spanish Inquisition, that should have never happened.

Um some of us Revo anticipatores care about RPGs a lot. I can't wait to see how the new controller will change RPGs. Just cause Revo's all about new ways doesn't mean it has to reject everything old!

Then I guess Camelot sucks.


Anyway, I'm personally hoping the cooking game will turn out to be Iron Chef! :rock: That would be an AAA game.

So are you guys buying into that 20 games at launch (window) news? How long is a launch window anyway? What signifies it's end?

I'll personally be very, very happy with my Revo for months to come if it launched with one, new, true Super Mario title, a new Super Smash Bros, and a hefty RPG title.

-EDIT-

Oh and while I'm at it, (I know we've had way too many of them) but I think the Revolution seriously needs a Mario Party title somewhere down the line due it's controller's set up.

And on a different, but pretty cool note:

- Peter Molynuex

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/04/10/mo...olution-in-04/

Heh. It's too bad he's tied down to producing games for Microsoft now because I'm sure he would have loved making a game for Revolution. Perhaps he'll be given that chance in a few years when Microsoft possibly comes up with a similar Revolution controller for their system.

Yeah, it's just ironic that after he states this, Nintendo shows the Revolution and his studio gets bought by Microsoft.

But hey, if he really wanted to, I'm sure he can find some sort of a loophole like creating a new sideteam with which he'd make games for the Revo or something...

hah, just like square did for gamecube....

-RUMOR-

NiGHTS probebly coming to Revo. [According to Famitsu]

source

I think if any modern console deserves NiGHTS, The Revo would be it. The control scheme seems perfect.


On a totally different note, I wonder what Revo's official name will be.

I think Revolution is a good name for it...

Ultra 64 - Nintendo 64
Project Dolphin - Gamecube
Revolution - should stay Revolution

Except that Nintendo has already stated that Revolution is not the final, official name for the new console.

Personally, I agree that "Revolution" is good enough of a title but meh...we'll see how it holds up compared to whatever Nintendo decides will be the official name.

Anyway, is the team that made NiGHTS still actually together? I thought after Sega's downward spiral, pretty much all the talent spread around and left. Or perhaps the same people reunited to form a new, none Sega team to create the sequel for NiGHTS on the Revo but with a different name?

Yeah, they should probably stick with Revolution. I once thought it was pretty presumptous to call the console Revolution, but we have known the console as such for almost two years and it is so engrained into our psyche that even if Nintendo renamed it, people would still call it Revoltution.

Yeah, that paired with the whispers of Fallout 3....orgasms abound!

It is said that Yuji Naka left wherever he was at Sega to start a new dev that's still under Segas wing, and they are working on this new NiGHTS game.

Actually, you're just thinking of the Nintendo Ultra 64 name. Its codename was Project Reality. And didn't Revolution have "Project" slapped in front of it when they first coined the term?

Personally, I think I've had enough of codenames becoming the real deal. I know, the DS is currently the only piece of gaming hardware to go with a codename (and it could be argued that Nitro was its true codename), but they said it'd be changed, and it wasn't. Same thing the Revolution, and I want them to stick with their promise. I'm tired of the name.

Nitro was the DS code name. Check the model number on your systems.
Game Boy micro was code named Oxygen.

Revolution is the final name. It's too late to change now.

I'm just hoping to hear Nintendo announce a localized version of Mother 3.

Which, by the way, got a 35 in Famitsu (10, 8, 8, 9) and was released in Japan the other day.

I've been playing it for a little while, now. It's pretty good/funny.

Seeing as this has something to do with the Rev, I'll post it.

Look mommy, without feet!

I still finding myself thinking something like: The Rev is pretty neat, but why? I agree with him on the whole focus on the controller-deal, but can of course not write this next thing off. To do so, would be silly, and above all stupid. The people who would cue up to laugh at me if I uttered such a thing and it came back to bite me in the arse.

Whatever... Just thought this was an interesting thing, even though it comes from a guy who's only made one game concept, which for some reason was brilliant, and who's gone to make playgrounds...

I don't think that guy's opinion would have mattered had he not created Katamari. In fact, his opinion still doesn't matter.

Yeah.
He's being as uptight about the Revolution Remote as Nintendo themselves were when Sony decided to make games on an optical format.

And look how that turned out.

He continued: "I see what [Sony is] trying to do, but they're putting such emphasis on the graphics; 'Woah, these graphics are 1080p!' and I'm thinking - are you messing with us?"

Fix'd. STFU Takahashi, not our fault you hate Namco for dissolving the Katamari team and making a Katamari game without your input. Take your anger out on someone other than Nintendo.

OK Katamari's freaking awsome so I can't really write him off, but what the hell's wrong with him? The controler's the focus of the Revo because it IS a big deal! If he can't see that then that only shows how close minded he is.

Oh wait! That's right, the latest Katamari on the PSP had shit controls!

That's probably because the latest Katamari on PSP was made without Takahashi. But that still doesn't justify his obvious trashing of the Revolution. WTF is so great about 1080p anyways when 480p is more than enough to my eyes? (But that's more because these HDTV's are cheapass junk which can't display 480i without severe quality issues).

I also love how these people that write off the Revo controler seem to completely ignore the fact that a traditional shell exists which allows for "normal" gameplay. =/

"That's probably because the latest Katamari on PSP was made without Takahashi."

Katamari cannot be a hard game to design. I'd say it has a lot more to do with the fact that it was on PSP, when it was designed for dual analog.

I'm sure it would have turned out much better on the DS. The touch screen would have been a much better dual analog subsitute as opposed to that single "analog stick" thing.

You control the katamari like a tank. It's going to suck just as much on the DS as it would on the PSP. I don't think the DS could handle all that graphical data either. I'd love to see them succeed with getting Katamari Damacy on the DS graphically intact but I'm pretty sure it still wouldn't work that well. The best you could do would be to use the face buttons as a second d-pad.

I don't see what Takahashi is going on about though. As of now Katamari Damacy has seemed to have found a huge wall in control on the PS2 dual analog setup. It can't change all that much right now. With two revmotes Katamari Damacy could open up new possibilities. But eh whatever.

People are ignorant, :/

I guess he just has to remove his thumb from his ass and suck it up. The controller is one of the few reasons why Nintendo is getting praised for its innovation. (Okay, maybe not praised, but..at least noticed.)

I doubt the DS can handle it. I mean, it can only do so much..but hell, maybe there's a way..?

Maybe if it was side-scrolling and sprite-based? You'd still have numerous places to go by the levels offering multileveled platforms to hop on and off of like houses, clouds, airplanes, floating islands, etc.

If he really wanted to, it can work. But whatever, the guy doesn't even seem to really like videogames anymore considering he wants nothing more to do with the game and has moved on to playgrounds. So, I guess his opinion doesn't reallly matter.

Oh just wondering: Has it been confirmed yet by Nintendo that you can use two revmotes together for one game? Like say for fishing, you'd use one revmote to represent the fishing pole and hold the other one horizontally to reel the fish in? Or is this still mere speculation?

I was also wondering the same thing about it doubling as an NES controler when held sideways. Has this been confirmed or is it just an idea thrown out there? It's kind of a big deal because in order to do so, the Dpad will have to self calibrate depending on how you hold the controller.

About the NES controller, it has been confirmed. Although, I'm not sure how the N64 will work, :/

We don't know what the Revolution shell looks like yet, but.... all things considered, the GCN controller handles N64 games fairly well. C-stick and X, Y, and Z buttons act as the N64 C-buttons in Zelda OoT and MM, and everything else is taken care of. (Unless you need FOUR C-stick buttons instead of 3...)

You don't get it. I believe this "unnamed RPG" is going to be the long-anticipated. Golden Sun 3. I've been waiting long enough.

I hope so. I'd kill to have another Golden Sun RPG. Hell, any Camelot RPG is worth the wait in my book. I love their games.

Well it should come, after all

Yeah, I remember. But for some reason, I just feel it's too good to be true.

But..

I'm sure we can. If Golden Sun 3 comes out for the Rev, I don't see why not. The Revolution is supposed to have DS connectivity, and at the very least, we could use the password system :sick:.

Supposed Mario from Rev screens from some random Italian gaming site
http://www.nintendoglobal.net/index....ve=&start_from

Anyone who thinks they are real should be shot.

It's fake. I can see the photoshop work in those images, >_>

Yeah yeah, and I've seen a lot of shops in my day. Moving along.

Actually no, back that up. Can you just get rid of that stupid link? That shit doesn't even deserve any hits.

Are they trying to not make these pics believable? Even if the photoshop work was good here (and it's not) the style and look of the worlds really doesn't live up to what a Mario game should look like! (Especially the second one)

"PHOTOREALISTIC! PHOTOREALISTIC! THAT'S WHAT MAKES THINGS BELIEVABLE! DISREGARD STYLE!" =/

Anyway, has a Mario game even been confirmed for launch? Who says Nintendo won't pull another Luigi's Mansion?

I wouldn't mind. 'Mansion' was better than 'Sunshine' in my opinion.

Supposed design for the next Mario:

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8...rio8bit3fg.jpg

Oh wait.....

Apparently some guy at Nintendo Of Canada, while making an interview with a canadian radio show, confirmed that the Revmote will have force feedback.
You can listen to it here (it´s in french)

Someone at the mozlapunk boards translated it (http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4030) - he basically says that Nintendo found a way to build in force feedback in the revmotes without draining too much battery life, which was a problem at first.

While this is not that big and not very surprising - it´s still good to know that they managed to design a wireless controller with force feedback and reasonable battery-life. The feedback will definitely help their ambition to make games more immersive.

I find it hard to believe that of all people, Nintendo of Canada let something out.
I'll check it out, and while it seems reasonable, I question the validity of something like that, from a division of Nintendo, so close to E3.
If it's true, I'm actually kinda pissed at that employee. Gonna check it out now.

Edit: I dunno about the validity, seems fine to me. I just question what they mean by force feedback. That's a terrible translation, for one thing. I could listen to it (I speak French), but I sure as hell wouldn't know what force feedback is in French, unless it's just a francais'd version of the english term.

I wonder if this was supposed to get out, and how big of a deal it is.
Either way, I doubt this is anything worth thinking about to now. Too vague.

I'm pretty sure Nintendo said in the past that the revmote would have force feedback so that's not really anything new unless you count low hit on battery life which is nice. I'm sure there will still be in-game option to turn off force feedback. I'd be more surprised if they figured out a way to do haptics or some sort of actual resistence which doesn't seem physically possible considering how the revmote works but who knows.

Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz :rock:

No screens or anything, wait 'till E3 a go go.

Why the hell is the press release telling me there are screens on the Sega FTP, when there isn't? (This deserved it's own thread btw.)

Since the translation said that they previously had problems getting "force feedback" into battery-powered controllers, chances are they're just talking about regular rumble support since the Revolutions that were demoed at TGS that had rumble were wired (while the rumble-less ones were wireless). I highly, highly doubt they're talking about actual force feedback, since that would kinda defy the laws of physics and break that whole space time continuum thing.

Yeah, that's what I thought too. But yeah Nintendo has been saying they were looking to get wireless with force feedback support for a while. I guess it's good to know they've got it finalized or something now.

OMG Super Monkey Ball! I knew it was coming since the game is practically built for the controller anyway but awesome awesome awesome! =D

Worst news 2006. Seriously.

They better surprise me like they did with the surprisingly addictive Bomberman Hero.

EDIT: ACER WHERE DID YOU FIND THAT DLUGOSZ PIC

Something I hate with these new games made for Nintendo Systems is that they keep exaggerating this 'innovative' thing. "Oh, we added jumping!....with a controller!!!...this is so unique!!". Why can't it just be called a new feature? Do we really call every change that happens to a Nintendo game...an innovation?

I really think they are overusing the term.

Finally we get Kirby Tilt 'n' Tumble 2. I've been waiting five years for this game. :p

I'm actually more worried about the controls than the jump mechanic, for right now, anyway. Hopefully the Revmote will allow fluid enough movement so that it won't be as bad as Super Monkey Ball Deluxe was. Or, even better, it could be compatible with the analog stick peripheral as well.

Well it makes sense guys. The way Super Monkey Ball works is that you tilt the world to roll the monkey the direction you want. So basically a flick up would make the world rapidly move upwards and flick up the monkey ball which would basically be mimicking a jump. It's just an extension of the design already in place. Why would you guys bitch about furthering a great design?

What picture are you talking about? Are you talking about the "PIXELS!" picture? I have no idea what that's from but I found it on 4chan a while ago.

You heard the old adage "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". I already know that the controller is going to provide a unique experience, but the ability to jump WILL drastically change the gameplay that I know and love. If I see fantastic level design that complements it perfectly, and they pull off the jumping well enough to not be tedious, then perhaps I'll reconsider.

Super Monkey Ball 1&2 are my 2nd and 3rd favorite games for the gamecube, respectively. I don't consider myself a hardcore player, but the main game has always been the prime point in those games, and while I'm not very good, I was dedicated enough to get the master stages in both games (although it was dreadfully easy in the 2nd game). I myself don't want to see the core gameplay changed at all, because what we have right now is perfect. I can see the folks over at KLOW busting up windows once they recieve this news.

Chris Dlugosz is the owner of www.pixelcomic.net, which is my favorite webcomic of all time. He also owns his own personal site www.chrisdlugosz.net, which is rather interesting to look at from time to time. The pic looks JUST LIKE HIM, and he's the only person I know who would dress up in a suit & tie, point at the screen, and shout PIXELS in all caps.
Oh and check this out

I know all about the concept of Super Monkey Ball. I love the series. I'm just saying, I don't know if it should be called innovative because they can jump.

I am a little hesitant to believe the gameplay will actually be better because they jump now. It seems really weird when I think about it. It just seems so out of place. I'll buy it nonetheless though. There's a lot of fun to be had in the series and I don't think they can completely mess the enjoyment by adding something.

Magical Spell is Ei-Ei-Poo!

Eh call it what you want but I think it's a good idea. I think it's a natural progression to the game's gameplay. Super Monkey Ball 1 + 2 are among my favorite games for cube as well and I hope SEGA Studios can pull this off. I hope some of the original Super Monkey Ball team takes part in this. We'll have to wait and see.

Darkcomet72, I think that is the same guy too. They look the same. Thanks for the information I'll have to check out his stuff. =)

Konami announces Elebits, exclusively for Nintendo Revolution. The game is produced by Shingo Mukaitouge, who worked on Guitar Freaks. You hunt cute pikmin-like creatures called Elebits (electricity bits) - energy sources that make the world move. You'll be able to find them by moving things in the game world. As you capture the Elebits, the world evolves.

According to Konami, the game will make you make you feel like you are touching the inside of the screen, and wouldn't be possible with exisiting controllers.

Madden Revolution - Brand New Game

Interesting interview where it's revealed that EA has set up an entirely new studio to make exclusive Revolution games.

Like I said over at PGC I think we all should be amazed that this is an original game coming from Konami for a Nintendo console. We haven't gotten one of those in FOREVER.

Shit wasn't the last one that pile of shit Hybrid Heaven on the N64?

Yeah, I think it was. Been quite a damn while.

Elebits sounds like it could be extremely interesting. In fact, the mere announcement of it is already a massive step up from Konami's BRILLIANT exclusive GameCube support.

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4...ysoccer4ua.jpg http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9...oarding7mu.jpg http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9...ootball7ja.jpg

So good!

It's official..

Wii
Wii!
Wii!!

What the fuck is that? It sounds.....akward for a console name.

Might as well just call it the Nintendo WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY and get it over with.

I like how 4chan is going to be filled with golden shower pics, with revolutions edited into them. Sorry, I'm not even going to say Wii, this is the worst decision in all of recorded history.

Oh, its not that bad. But here come pages of WELL I THOUGHT THE REVOLUTION WAS PRETTY GOOD YOU KNOW.

Just say its Wii and discuss the console more :\/

In other IMPORTANT NEWS why is it supposed to be "big news" that Wii is getting a MADDEN? Who cares about this game anyway? Roster Update 2007 coming for Wii, get ready earth.

It's big news because they are actually making a new version of it!

Wii is hilarious. I don't know if it's in a good way or a bad way yet, but i'm laughing.

I can't believe people still fucking play Madden ;____;

In response to Pom, I couldn't care less either way since I'm not really interested in the console (or anything Nintendo has to say about it at this point), but the name makes me laugh and frown at the same time, something that's usually pretty hard to pull off.

Not only is it a really stupid name, but the reasoning behind it is really corny. It's not about you or me.... it's WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! They put way too much thought into what Wii represents, the image of players?

This is why I'm not sure if I want to go into gaming production, you'd have to fight with people who come up with bad ideas. :p I actually really liked the code name.

Holy shit, best console name ever.

The sad part is that I'm not joking, even though I'm not sure why.

- WraithTwo -

Wii is the stupidest name for a console in the history of video game consoles.

Period.

I can see it now... "Can I have Madden for the Wii, please?"

Sounds like a little kids' synonym for pee. :(

Oh man, derogatory nicknames won't even been necessary for the console wars this time. 'Wii' should be plenty to get the point across.

lol Xbox 1.5 is huge!
lol Crapstation 3!
lol Wii!

Here come the "Nintendo Wee-wee" jokes.

My god. What a name.

Honestly, its certainly not worse than the uncreative piles of shit known as the "GameCube", "XBox", "Playstation" or "Game Boy". Instead its different from the norm in video game consoles, and sounds more like a consumer product (IPod comes to mind first, as well as similar examples that aren't as stupidly obvious as we are used to).

You must admit that it not only fits Nintendo's strategy, but whether or not you like it, people will talk about it.

- WraithTwo -

I don't really give a shit about the name; it's gonna be a breakthrough system.

I do have to agree with WraithTwo: it's awkward sounding at first, but you won't forget it. I never thought any of those aforementioned names were really that creative, but they caught on and you just absorb it. Get past the shock phase of the name and you'll use it, jokes or not.

I agree, it's lighthearted and I really hope they make fun of it themselves in the North American marketing, like having urinal demo stations and such.

"It's good to wii together"

I've just made five posts in succession at different forums, and I've found that my initial derision toward the name has turned into endearment.

Wii. It's unexpected, just like the console whom it represents.

Who even still compares the word Wii with piss? Are we 5 years old?

However, I can see the derogatory name for Wii players already: Wiiners.

Personally, I think the name is lame, but I'll deal with it. Reminds me of electronic-based brand names like Vaio and Viiv.

I don't know... but I also didn't know with the GameCube or Nintendo 64 (what happened to the last 61 ;__; ).

I care less as it doesn't sound like anything in my language anyway...

Scotland:
-Yes let me have that wii console.
-This?
-NO, not the micro, the wii one!
-But it's the smallest one we have, sir...
*ALE-PUNCH*

France?
-I want ze nintendo wii
-Oui?
-Oui!


Not so well thought through despite all that thinking of theirs?

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/364/wiiaboo6jw.jpg

It had to be done!

Are you trying to imply that it's an ass-kicking name? :edgartpg:

Hahahaha. Funniest name ever. Nintendo wins.

The flash animation on the site is awesome, though I'm afraid nothing can ever beat the GC logo. It was just too perfect.
Still, I look forward to the internet hilarity.

Gamefaqs has exploded. There are over 100 topics regarding Wii and how "the name sucks" in the Revolution board.

Personally, I don't care. They could call it "Nintendo Pencil Pusher" and it wouldn't change my mind.

Nintendo Wii
I think it´s a funny name and I laughed as well. It´s simple, it´s memorable and it´s really really weird - sounds exactly like Nintendo wants it to be.


That being said I think it is a decent name - the logo seems cool to me and I like the idea of the i´s acting as revmotes in the animation. It is probably too weird as a name and it sounds pretty silly when spoken out though, as mentioned by others as well.

The name is probably good or even great for the Japanese market. I'm not so sure about here (America) though. It didn't win me over and I dunno if time will change that or not...of course, I'm still likely going to buy it.

:tpg: This new name is TEH AWSOME.



It's so offbeat, quirky and ridiculous that I just can't bring myself to take it seriously. I always thought "Revolution" sounded kinda uncreative, typical and...cliche. Yes, yes, I know cause the controler's revolutionary and all, but it always made me think of some underground resistence for a greater cause or something. :/ I like Wii. The "ii" to be exact. Well the fact that they're suppose to be little people. The video showcasing the logo on Nintendo's site was pretty sweet. I think that's pretty nifty and it makes for a damn spiffy logo. Remember guys when Nintendo first show the DS, people bashed it left and right. When they first showed the Wiimote (get used to that) people ,again, bashed the hell out of it. But now, for the most part, both of those are held in high regard. I think the same will happen with Wii. Since the system itself isn't going for that SUPER POWER BADASS MONSTER image, and instead it's aiming to show just how different it is, I think the name fits.

Wow Pom, I thought I was gonna have to go through a lot more "ZOMG TEH NAME SUCXXORS" posts before I saw another one that actually likes the name.

I'm only buying my Wii from a store where the clerk responds by saying "Yes, we have Wiis in stock" when I ask them if they do. :tpg:


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Y'know, the more I think about it, the more apperant it becomes to me that Nintendo's seeming a lot like the Apple of the gaming world this upcoming generation. Kind of an underdog, a little ridiculed, but a company that's churning out really sexy looking and different products with charming quirkiness.

Well its not like i particularly like or dislike the name, but same thing happened with the 360. A couple of weeks about laughing at the name then just forgetting about it =p

As long as the games are good, I personally don't care what the name of the new console is.

Nintendo Wii...it's gonna get some getting used to, though.

:p

just realized how hilarious that sounds

I really don't know what to think of it. Wii.
They're CERTAINLY setting themselves apart, aren't they?
I really liked Revolution, but this spark of talk is really shifting focus from other consoles and getting a LOT of buzz beginning (good and bad).
Of course I'm still excited for it, but telling my other non-gamer friends that the item at the top of my wish list is a WHEEE might get interesting!

As far as I am concerned the Revolution is still the Revolution. But of all things, Wii? I'm not sure if we're supposed to take this console seriously with that kind of a name. While you could say the name is "creative" or whatever but couldn't they have simply kept the Revolution or come up with some else creative that doesn't sound like some stupid joke?

"I'm not sure if we're supposed to take this console seriously with that kind of a name."

Haha, you've got it!
It's a gaming console, not AIDS or starvation or the Holocaust. It's allowed to have a fun name. The world's in dire straits if we even have to take our fun seriously.

I love it. I absolutely love it. It's a great name. It's generating so much hype for Nintendo right now. It's all over the news sites, because it's such a quirky, offbeat name. I really think this is going to do well. I really like the video on Nintendo's website, I can see them doing a lot with the "i" theme.

Pom is absolutely right, we'll laugh at the name for a little while (I think it's cute sounding, and can appeal to non-gamers), and then we'll move on to discussing the console again.

But this does generate massive amounts of buzz online. It's a genius marketing move, IMHO.

Yeah, I agree with you there, ¯\(º_o)/¯. ¯\(º_o)/¯ :p. LOL.

I easily see the appeal of such a silly name and I do think it's a genius move. Also when the 3-character names come around to symbolize the system, it'll be "WII" now as opposed to, I guess, "REV" or "RS" (Revolution System, name suggested before to match the portable counterpart).

Will it take some getting used to? Some, maybe even most, may "never" get used to it, and I'll argue that's part of the FUN factor.

Yay! More Wii lovers! ^^

It's generating so much buzz, and frankly, who can't love a name thats just that quirky? A White Wii with some good games, I'm set. Just want to hear more about what Nintendo's planning for this now, but I think its great.

To be accurate, it should have been named Wiiii, since it's a 4-player console.

But I think we're just getting silly now. WEEEEEEEEEE

Can't wait to play Wii-fi!

Nintendo Wii. Put it together and it's a Nintendowii.....

Nintendowii, sounds like an adjective, like "Mario is so Nintendowii"


PS: Wiimote is the awesomest thing ever.

Hahaha. I don't mean to rain on everyone's parade, but we seem to be taking the name a lot better here at gamingforce as opposed to other places. I mean look at what's popped up. I guess it was invetable.

http://www.kotaku.com/images/2006/04/wiiscary.jpg


-EDIT-

Yeesh, look at the comments section on these places

whine whine whine

bitch bitch bitch

moan moan moan

I don't really get the big deal. I still think the name's awsome. In fact I dare and say that I think it's best name outta the 3 console names for this upcomign gen. Oh well I guess most people still have to get used to it.

It's a semi-corny name, but so was the "Xbox" when it was first announced. The name also sounds a bit childish, and I can only imagine how more adult-themed games are supposed to advertise that they are "Wii" exclusive.

In the end, I guess it could be worst, but I still preferred the generic but effective: "Revolution." Even just calling it the "Rev" sounds better.

I think that I will be calling it the Revolution when ever I decide to pick one up.

That is the most strangest name for a console ever. What exactly was the point of changing it?

"I think that I will be calling it the Revolution when ever I decide to pick one up."

You wouldn't want them thinking you were silly, now would you? These people who will never see you again, who quite possibly own a Wii themselves. GOD FORBID IT.

What a wiitarded name. I can live with it but I can't see this helping sales or Nintendo's image at all.

It sounds like a 3 in the morning decision by the marketing department.

"Ah! I got it! Let's call it Wii. It makes perfect sense!"
"Yeah! Yeah! Sure! Wii!"
"Wiiiiiiiiiiiii?"
"Wiiiiiiiiiiiii!"
"Wiiiiiiiiiiiii?"
"Wii."
"Wiiiii."

OMG WEEEEEEE!

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/weeee.php

I believe this is not spam, but very relevant to our discussion.

I like how people who don't even video game are even talking about it. Whatever it is about "i" and "ii" it's working. A couple years down the road, awesome names of products will be "iii"...

Nintendo for the wiin.

I really don't mind it... It's completely out of the ordinary, just as the system itself is. It fits the theme of the system well. Just like when I saw the controller, it took me a while to swallow it and absorb it, but I think I can adapt to it.

God the marketing of this is going to be horrid.

"Why have a weekday when you can a wiikday?"

"Turn a regular weekend into a wiikend!"

Guh.

Yeah, or they could create these two urban-style squirrels. And one can be like "Suck on my nuts HURR" and like the other one will scream "WIIIII!"

....

They probably aren't going to do that. People like you and me will get all that taken care of. :p Nintendo wiinners.

As for their department, they probably DID get a three-year old to come up with it. Even a 2 year-old can bug their parents for a Wii, and this ain't no urination.

Oh come on now, what makes you think they're gonna resort to puns? I think they'd focus more on the "ii" looking like/being players, which I think is pretty neat.

So far the whole using wii for the word "we" all the time doesn't give me much confidence that they won't.

nintendo, can't we just come to some sort of compromise and call it the Wiivolution?

No, that's horrid.

"God the marketing of this is going to be horrid."

This is a totally unfounded assumption. Just because thousands of morons on the internet are doing it doesn't mean Nintendo will resort to it. They've done quite the opposite, really.
Have you seen the flash animation on the site? If that's any indication of what the commercials will be like, this will have an excellent ad campaign.

I liked the commercial. But marketing is marketing whether it's advertisements or word of mouth. And the current buzz isn't all that positive.

People keep talking about the logo... what does it look like? At least Wii is a sexy looking box :p With a name like Wii, at least they have the publicity going. Whether it's good or bad.... any publicity is good publicity ;)

Hey now, you can't hold Nintendo responsible for what the consumers not affiliated with them say or do. Sure they used it once in the press letter. It was almost cute. But that's it. I definately think they'll go more like the video rout which rocked.

Speaking of marketing, I wonder if they'll say out loud "Nintendo Wii" during commercials for Wii games, cause that'd be awsome.

Sure I can. Nintendo's the one who came up with such a horrible name that people can easily make fun of.

Double Post:
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1...33502165wj.jpg

lol

Yes, you can blame Nintendo. Horrible name or not is a consumer opinion. But the power of brand is everything.

Pub is pub is right though.

http://blog.sanemonkey.com/images/wii_logo.jpg

Video gaming is all about FUN. Nintendo has done this.

Wow that logo is actually kind of neat. A "w" with dots.

OMG is that an official logo?

Wii will change everything...

brilliant

Don't think that's official.
Which is fine, because it's convoluted to the point I can't distinguish what the logo is.
I like the slogan though.

Oh man, YTMND is having a field day with this. Favorites:
http://wiiwillrockyou.ytmnd.com/
http://mariowiifirstlook.ytmnd.com/
http://adamwii.ytmnd.com/
http://nintendowiisuicide.ytmnd.com/
http://frenchnintendo.ytmnd.com/
http://talbfnw.ytmnd.com/
http://wiikid.ytmnd.com/
http://weewii.ytmnd.com/


I like the new name, but it's going to take some getting used to. This is the most unconventional console since Phantom.

I'm not sure it's the official logo, but it's the one being talked about as you mentioned.

I love how Nintendo is taking the boldest moves with this new console. The name alone really shows how Nintendo is relying on the games to sell the system.

Either this system will succeed tremendously or become an utter failure. There is no middle ground for this generation of consoles.

Well, Nintendo did have the guts to announce the name before E3. They could have saved it, but why would they reveal the name now? Hmm..

They sound confident. Not that's a bad thing, or anything, it's just that..I hope it doesn't bite them in the ass later.

How are people not knowing what the logo looks like? It's right here:
http://revolution.nintendo.com/

Nothing really interesting about it at all. It's just simple.

I'll probably call it Wiivo by mistake a few times.

Wii........ it's interesting. I had no idea the name was being released today. Deffinetly not what i was excpecting. I read Megalith's journal and i saw his entry about this. I was thinking Wii was an acronym for Wide Internet Interactivity or something. When i read it was the new official name, i almost screamed. After i calmed down a bit i said it to myself a few times, and i'm already getting used to it.

The name doesn't matter though, it's all about the games.

for the record, i sorta liked Revolution better

People who buy systems/games based on the name should be castrated anyway. It's a bold move and I respect it. Yeah, it's weird, but who cares. It's turning heads. That's the whole point of the Revolution/Wii. To turn heads and say "fuck the norm."

Does anyone here speak Japanese? Please tell me wii is something in Japanese... like... Electronic Gadget or something. (The Wii Has Wi-fi.) Say that five times slow!

It's most likley so the general public can get over the initial shock of such an off the wall name before Nintendo needs people to pay attention to them, for instance at an event like E3.

If you'll notice, many people aren't greatly happy with this name. It'll cool down in time, like the initial reaction the Wiimote. When it all cools down, Nintendo will hit us with the games at E3.

I wonder if you'll her a "weee" sound when you power up the Wii. I dunno if I'll ever get over the novelty of saying it and hearing it out loud.

"Does anyone here speak Japanese? Please tell me wii is something in Japanese... like... Electronic Gadget or something. (The Wii Has Wi-fi.) Say that five times slow!"

While my Japanese is VERY limited, I've been dabbeling in it and taking classes for a while now. And I have not come across the word as to mean anything yet. I will say though, it does seem like this name will work so well with Japanese marketing.

"for the record, i sorta liked Revolution better"

Haha, not surprising based on your sig/av combo :P

I can imagine screamin "Weeeeeeeeeeeee" with my friends and going mad before playing a round of SSBWii. If saying the name of the system is fun. . . how incredibly will the games be?

The meaning of the name is not apparent. With Revolution as the name for the past two years, it was clear what Nintendo's intentions were. With Wii, they have to explain it. No one is going to look at the name and say "I know what Nintendo means. They are trying to emphasize that the console is meant for everyone and that the two i's symbolize the controllers. Clever one, Nintendo." Nintendo has to explain it to us, and they should never really have to.

Ah, but that's the beauty of it, Nintendo makes us get up off of our lazy asses to find out what it means. It piques our curiosity and forces us to pay attention lest we go mad from thinking about it! I was utterly confused until I found out how to pronounce it, then I immediately got what Nintendo was trying to do. Even if you hate the new name, talking about it creates hype and publicity for Nintendo, thus giving them an edge over competition. Even if most people hate the new name, which I don't think is the case (it seems to be half and half at the moment), it's a smart move by Nintendo. I think most people will get used to it, the only ones that don't will be the Nintendo haters which Nintendo can't really sway anyway, so no big loss.

Personally, I love the name. I think Nintendo's finally got it's game together in the past few years after the problems with the N64 (and Gamecube, even).

While Nintendo can't approach its competitors in terms of graphics, it can certainly find a calling in the creation of unique "experiences" that you can't get from a normal "video game." Play Trauma Center or Osu Tatakae Ouendan on the DS and you'll see what I mean.

Well, jokes aside, Nintendo Wii is..original, in its own right. Also..

Nintendo Wii
X-Box 360
PS3

I just noticed, Wii is the only console without a number in its name. Interesting.

I do hope there's a yellow Wii console avaliable at launch, hur hur. This strikes me as a name Sega would choose, what with their Wondermega's.

I don't love the name, but I don't hate it either. It's a bit of a silly name but, then again, when you can generate this much press, good or bad, before E3 even starts, you are the winner. Mentioning this at E3 would be a disaster as it would generate press overshadowing the games and the console, now we can get down to business.

I had a much bigger negative reaction when I heard Microsoft's very first console was going to be called the "Xbox". That just had disaster written all over it and it came out okay.

It's just not as big a deal as everyone is making it out to be. If the Wii is a kickass console with awesome games, who the hell cares if you have to go into a store that sells video games and ask them to sell you video games no matter what the name is. It's not embarassing to buy lube at the Checker Auto Parts either.

I got into my car, and I hit the gas, and I was like "WIIIIIIIIIII," and then I hit a bump and my tires rubbed, and I was like "WIIIIIIIIIII," then I got my oil changed and they said "It'll be thirty dollars," and I was like "WIIIIIIIIIII," then I got into work and sat down at my computer and listened to a Queen song, and I was like "WIIIIIIIIIII," then I heard that Nintendo Revolution is now the Nintendo Wii, and I was like... "Oh."

Sorry had to qoute IGN for a second.

Basically, I could care less what the name is. If the games are good, I will buy one. If the games suck, like the 360, then I won't buy one. It's as simple as that. Though after seeing Red Steel I am starting to get excited about the WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! !!!!!

"Nintendo has to explain it to us, and they should never really have to."

Yeah, totally unlike Microsoft's Xbox which. . . what? Does it even have a meaning?

Ok, no company should ever have ambiguous names for its consoles. Ever. You happy?

I dunno, the name kinda sticks. I'll sure be remembering "Wii" now that I've read it, and it sure hasn't changed my decision to buy one when its released. It is kinda fun to say, too... "wiiiiiiiiiiii." I can imagine the hell poor game shop owners will go through over the phone when people try to order one though.

Completely off-topic: I really want to see this thing's BIOS ._.

God damn it, I just realized that I'll never be able to say "wheeee!" again without people thinking I'm making fun of Nintendo/referencing the Wii. I say that all the time too! I think Nintendo is tapping my phone or something. Damn Nintendo for ruining my 10th most uttered phrase ever, and for getting free advertising if I do say it! Nintendo has forever changed the world this day, it's a true Revolution...of wordage.

XDDDDD Oh, fantastic. You know, this is gonna be such a joke in Britian. "Wee? As in what I do in the w.c.?"

I wouldn't mind a name change from "Revolution," since that name just seems too easy. Granted, the PS3's nickname is just following a pattern, the 360's is kinda clever, and now the Wii.

Wiiiiiiiii~


lmao.... I need to try on the Wii-mote \o/ whiiiiiii~ lololololol.


Erm yeah that was fun XD

something along the lines of

"HEY!! HEY! I'M THE XBOX. I'M FUCKING COOL. I HAVE AN X IN MY NAME, SO I'M COOL, AND I'M A BOX.

WOW!"

but seriously, i don't dislike or like the "wii" name. it sounds silly, sure, but it generates press...

anyway, i hated "gamecube" when i first heard it, but i'm quite used to it now....

"Ok, no company should ever have ambiguous names for its consoles. Ever. You happy?"

Like Google or ipod or Macintosh or Motorola or Starbucks or Nike or Pepsi, exactly. If all of those even have meanings, who knows them? Nike is the Greek goddess of victory, but you think anyone wearing a Nike shoe knows that, or cares?
The product makes the name, not the other way around.

Comin' soon to theatres.

SNAKES ON A WII [/Osaka]

It's like the whole "name's so bad it's good" all over again.

You should, perhaps, worry more about calling it a "w.c.".


Besides, guys, Revolution wasn't a great name, but the "Rev" was a good little nickname, quite a bit better than calling Sony's the "PS3".

I cant help but smile everytime I see the Wii logo. It's such a ballsy move by Nintendo to do something this outrageous.

Honestly, Nintendo gets the award biggest balls of the year so far. It will pay off if this thing sells as well as I hope it does.

If they have some decent launch titles, who knows, Nintendo could be back

I can seriously say that I absolutely feel that Wii>Revolution. "Revolution" sounds so bland in comparison.

So far things seem to be looking really good for Nintendo. (knock on wood).

... and it's only just the beginning.

http://1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=3&cId=3149198
EDIT: Heh, they slightly edited that part, looks like they said more than they were supposed to.

Jeez I don't even know what to expect anymore! I'm really excited though!

The idiot making this logo (besides the fact that it already has one) could atleast have put some more effort into it, rather than google wii logo and copy the first idea that comes up =P
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/1277/logo0hq.jpg


After having slept on it I'm quite a bit more ok with it. It's kinda kawaii I guess.
It will certainly appeal to a lot of girls better, than had it gotten some X or Z name.

GameStaZor XXXcool.

I agree with this man. Such drama over something so little is pointless.

Jesus, THERE'S MORE? I don't even know what to expect this time around... I think we all kinda figured that we would get gyroscopic gaming in one form or another, but what the hell could they pull out of their hat this time?

It was a very smart move to announce the name of the system now, considering they have somethng else up their sleeve for E3. Go Nintendo!

I can't wait to have to phone in for a question on something like this.

"Hello this is Gamestop. WHAT DO YOU WANT."
"Do you have the new Legend of Zelda in please?"
"For what system?"
"....."
"Sir, are you there? For what system?"
"Do I have to say it?"
"Yes."
"WRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY"
"What did you say?"
-hangup-

Oh god.

I'm just gonna scream "HEY YOU GOT ANY WiiS IN THIS STORE" as loudly as I can.

I need a "touching your Wii is good" T-Shirt.

Now.

- WraithTwo -

More shirts:

"Play with my Wii"
"Get your own Wii"
"Don't be jealous of my Wii"

The marketing sells itself.

Yeah, I heard about this 'Top Secret Revolutionary Thing' and it really intrigues me.

All I know, is that Nintendo copyrighted a system with cameras and a projector where the player will be IN the game. Literally. But I'm pretty sure it won't be it. Maybe the next generation of systems.

Honestly, that sounds a little too gimicky for what they are trying to accomplish. How would that change gaming, and how would that enhance your gaming experience?

It just doesn't fit with what they've been trying to do.

- WraithTwo -

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13...lcrap/wii1.png

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13...lcrap/wii2.png

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13...lcrap/wii3.png

So...it's pretty much an Eyetoy?

Y'know now that I think about it, I remember reading somewhere that the nunchuku attachment probebly has an acceleration sensor. So if you push it forward, you move forward. It could have been a rumor so not sure.

I just know is (as someone noted ealryer) all the JoJo’s Bizzare Adventure fanatics will buy it, capcom would be nuts to pass up such an opotunity and port the game over or at least offer it in the virtual console.

I meen, what console has allowed you do to THIS:?
“Hi, Sir, I’m here to take my pre-order of my Nintendo WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!”

'Sides that, everyone and thier dog called the Playstation the PSX anyway, if people don't like screaming like Dio, they can simply say "Revolution" and still get what they want.

Eyetoy is very basic, I doubt Nintendo would go with something like that.

That was also mentioned in the same article, so even if that turns out to be true, it's not the big remaining secret.

Yeah hopefully that's not it. I hope that it's actually something substantial though and not a small, little feature that there'd be no point getting hyped up over. It's kind of hard to imagine that after everything revealed when it comes to Wii's attributes, there's still a truly significant unnoted feature, but so far Nintendo has been on a roll, so we'll see. :)

I wouldn't dig the whole "push forward to go forward" thing... You'd slam into your TV eventually.

My guess is that this new secret is completely unrelated to both the controller and the virtual console. "Something with rather cool implications for gaming" eh? Well, we already have a revolutionary controller, and a virtual console. Seriously, another feature on the level of those two will make the system a fucking must-own (as if it wasn't already). Perhaps something relating to their online service?

Nintendo has completely stumped me this time...

BTW guys, the Wii is so awesome that it has inspired me to waste a couple of minutes in paint....

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7303/yourwii1su.png

As if the DS's own slogan wasn't bad enough....

- WraithTwo -

If you were trying to make it look phallic you almost got there. If you think of it as going in the other direction, the DS screens look like buns and the Wiimote looks like....well, it's about to penetrate.

-EDIT-

OK your little photoshop session has just made me think of something that might make this post worthwhile. They STILL haven't explained what the "home" button on the Wiimote's for have they? I bet this new secret has to do with that!

D'oh.

Oh well, better luck next time (or not).

- WraithTwo -

-EDIT-

I dunno, but something tells me that the last secret doesn't directly have to do with the controller. However, whatever it is will probably secure Nintendo into a good position on this race if it is anything near the controller.

Sure, directX Box. How hard was that?

Wii? I dunno. It's kinda 'meh' to me. Though I didn't like the name revolution (I don't believe in false marketing, sorry) it's still better than Wii. First of I thought it was roman numerals. I'm glad I read the reason it's called that...

Anyways, to end this mostly negative post on a somewhat funny note; I guess I'm going to say something like: "Well, I'm going to play a bit with my wii now." Oh, people are going to look at me in such strange ways ;_;

Sort of, but based on what I've been told, you'll have a 3D representation of objects and obstacles around you using the projector.

Wow, I was basically thinking "Eyetoy" but that actually seems really cool, especially if they don't directly put "you" in, but simply map your movements for the character on screen.

Still don't think that it's very likely, but I don't think that I'd be too disappointed if it was true.

- WraithTwo -

Shouldn't this thread be renamed to "Pre-Pre-E3 Wii thread"?

Indeed! Now the thread title has become an epic adventure to say over and over really fast.

Oh, God:

"Wii will, wii will, rock you!"

I posted it in my journal.
But it has a fitting home here too.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e319/Tremin10/Wii.jpg

Why? For dramatic tension, or is there a real reason?

I dont know if this has been said throught the topic but i think "wii" means very good or something.

As for the name its not really my taste but if the games are good i wouldnt care about the name.

Since we're only allowed one (1) topic about the Rev Wii, I'll repeat what I said before: the whole world already agrees that the name is hilarious--but it's kinda cute. I don't mind it.

I can't wait for E3, the "final secret" will be MINE. :tpg: I just hope that the Rev is readily available on the floor, and I don't have to stand in line for 4 hours to get a go. Cause I'm probably not doing that, and then I'd be really sad that I didn't get to try it. With how strict they are about E3 now, maybe there will be fewer uninformed boochers walking around. (I just got an email that if you lose your badge, it costs $200 to replace it. It was free last year!)

Yeah right, because 'Wii' is such a better representation for the system.

I've read this a couple of times:
We, as in, 'We are goingto play'. I'm wondering about this sudden focus on playing together. (Yes, I know that Xbox has done it with 'It's good to play together') Some of the best Nintendo games I've played was strictly singleplayer. Why change it? Do I want to play Mario Wii (lol) with some other bloke? No. Zelda? Still no.
I prefere playing alone, though multiplayer is good. I just find this sudden focus odd.

One of the biggest complaints with the Gamecube was the lack of Online games. This is just a way for Nintendo to try to satisfy that want. I know sometimes I was games like Mario Kart Double Dash was online because it gets old fast with single player.

I'd love a Mario Party Online. They probably are going to go overboard with it because it was a big complaint with the Gamecube and they want people to know it's different now.

But will it actually have good multi-player? I guess we'll find out.

I don't know, there's a fair bit of those Mario games (Party, Tennis, Soccer, ect.) that are fairly fun multiplayer.

Some of the best (couch)multiplayer I've had was with some friends, some beers and Mario Golf on the Cube. Priceless!

Also when you think about it. How many games do we actually play with a friend sitting next to you anyway - we've done it a fair bit. The option to have your friend help you in the process is welcome (I'm thinking the likes of Wind Waker here, though it's lacking).

A picture that comes to mind is from this from the E3 teaser of, er, Wii.
The "Horrer game" with the flashlight and the squeaking door.
I would love a 2-player Resident Evil!
I'm pretty sure "Wii" also a hint to the third party developers too?

WraithTwo: I lol'd ='D

I totally agree Malmer. While online multiplayer is pretty awesome, for me, nothing beats couch multiplayer with your best buddies. I love going to people's houses and sitting around for hours drinking beer and playing co-op games like X-men Legends and stuff. The competitive couch games are great too, cause if somebody pisses you off... you're right there to slug them. I'm imagining my friends and I beating the crap out of each other with those Wii controllers. Hopefully they're pretty sturdy ;)

I got it. I'm calling the Nintendo office right now to negotiate the new name for the console: The Nintendo Wiid
pronounced (weeeeeeeeeed)

Wii or not, I'll still refer to it as "The Nintendo" as I have done with all of their consoles.

Of course my most dear video gaming memories come from freshman year when everyone on my hall spent all their free time in my room playing 4 player Bond {goldeneye64}. Thousands upon thousands of matches. I think there were eight or so of us who regularly attended. Games would usually start pretty low key, but after an hour or so, everyone was so intense. There was a lot of screaming and yelling. Playing -10 health with pistols only is so much fun when you have a game with 4 players who are all of comparable skill level.

So uh...


is the french version going to be named the "Oui", or what?

OK so apperantly Wii is suppose to be a fake name that Nintendo put out to generate some buzz only to reveal the real name at E3.

Wow I love the objectivity of this article. :/ Nevermind that Nintendo anounced the name now in order to give gamers time to soak it in because it's actually different and creative as opposed to "bad".

Right. Because, y'know, Nintendo's target audience, all age groups and both genders (everyone), happens to be Punk'd fanatics. Apperantly Punk'd is the absolute global, and universal, common denominator for humanity. :/

Obviously the author of this article hates the name. That alone discredits his article. However, the fact that Nintendo hasn't registered a TM for a Wii is a bit alarming. If this indeed turns out to be some elegant scheme to generate some buzz and change the name, I'll be pretty dissapointed. I mean yeah, it's only a name but I've come to really like it.

Oh you can read the blabbering here

So what you're saying is that if I registered Wii as pretty much anything I wanted for myself, right now, I could prevent Nintendo from releasing it under that moniker and perhaps they would have to choose something good, like N5 for instance?

It's a global name. It will be spelled "Wii" everywhere it is sold.

Or Wiii. You never know. Considering how zany Nintendo's been lately, I wouldn't push it. :edgartpg:

Umm... I do believe the "Oui" post was a joke?

If not it was seriously hilarious anyway.

No, it was deathly serious. Why do you even post? =/

No shit, I just got the news reading the new Penny Arcade strip and was like "Wie?!" (German for "how" or in this context "wtf").

Yeah i'm not sure what Nintendo was thinking when they said no one would mispronounce it. There are a few students from Germany in my school right now, and when they all repeated the name after me, they pronounced it Vee.

IGN Madden article
New IGN article reveals accelerometer in nunchuck attachment. Pretty interesting stuff.

Heh, I couldn't help cracking up. Vee...they're so silly.

Yeah, I checked that out. It's interesting, EA actually isn't going to half-ass a port/multi-gen game.

Actually they pronounced it correctly - in the German language a W is pronounced like a V. The sound of the english pronunciation of the letter W does not exist in German anyway, so many Germans tend to substitute it with the next best sound. You'd be quite silly if you tried to properly pronounce the German word "Nacht" :cool:

Zorro

Does that count as confirmation that Monkey Ball will be available at launch? He does say "trying".

Anyway the article also states that there'll be no story this time. Monkey Ball cut-scenes and stories were awsome :( . "MAGICAL SPELL IS EI EI POO!"

Wiireport

Hmm.....The Nintendo Wii.....I'm not sure if this will help their sales or not...i mean, come on, there are dumbasses who don't get a game just because the box art sucks or the name sounds like shit. I think it's creative compared to everything else. I'd really have to say Nintendo has come up with some interesting names for their systems, nix the pre-n64 systems (Nintendo, Super Nintendo (I guess Famicom), Nintendo 64). But yeah, It's better than just calling it the same with a number after it. e.g Playstation 1, 2, 3 or Xbox -> Xbox 360. Still, I can't imagine France....lol...

Oh, but oh! Imagine the puns you can use!!!

"I can wee on you with one controller!"
"My analog stick will weee your ass off"
"Let's play WEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!"
(Insert another bad Chaofan joke here)

(One of the FEW people that actually like Wii's name.)


Mark my words, it'll become as used as "let's do a google search." Google in Chinese roughly sounds like the slang for Penis. Imagine that.

I just thought of this, but competing companies can also use the "Wii" puns against Nintendo.

"Wii-ners play Wii"
"Players play Playstation"

I don't know what the laws are regarding this sort of thing, but i think Nintendo would have to allow the use of their product's name in competitor's advertisments.

False.

"Genesis does what Nintendon't"

Hopefully the competitors do use it, so Wii gets even more attention.

"Xbox 360: Hey, at least we didn't call it Wii"

::360 still loses because it has multiple numbers in it's name::

Guys I just had an orgasm...and its not yet E3.

ZOMG Wii.

Pikmin 3!

Oh check out this lame shit. Apparently this is Tony Hawk Wii and is going to be shown at E3:

http://www.codenamerevolution.com/?p=334

The graphics SUCK ass on that from what I can see. No clue what they mean.

That seems like it's going to be the first in line on the recycled gameplay department.

I wonder just how many games are going to do the exact same thing but add a point stick feature in the mix and call it a brand new game.

"The graphics SUCK ass on that from what I can see. No clue what they mean."

Pay attention to the freaking excellent character model. Everything else is obviously thrown together, but that alone looks excellent.
It's a terrible video, though. Quality is shit and it's slow and buggy as hell.

Oh, is that what it meant...

Well, what was I suppose to think from that video? It didn't look like anything new or unique. Nothing really to dish out some cash for.

P.S. I'm sorry your football team lost ;_;

Before or after the one second of seeing him? Hardly anything to get from it. :\

Considering that's just a testing demo, I wouldn't be surprised if they improved a lot more over that. Still, we all know that Tony Hawk games suck ass.

That's hardly a demonstration video. It might as well have shown nothing. The quality's crap. Also, it doesn't look like actual gameplay. If that video's real, then it's most probebly a quickly put together demonstration (in terms of visuals) to showcase the controls on Wii. Also, even though the actual character looks great (especially his shirt), it's not like Tony Hawk games are fit to show off console visuals or innovations. Wii's garanteed to be at least slightly more powerful than GC which is just fine if you ask me.

You mean like Castlevania DS? Or Advance Wars DS? Or Tetris DS?

oh wait those games are awesome

Look, familiar games are going to come out that don't take much advantage of the controller that are going to be kickass because, well, many games that come out for Nintendo consoles focus on great gameplay. Then others (like Trauma Center or Kirby's Canvas Curse) will take full advantage of the setup and be just as good.

When games do that, I don't see that warrenting a whole new system for. I know the games can still be good but my gripe is the fact that they exaggerate the whole 'innovative' thing for games that barely do anything new. I don't have a problem with games having the same concept on a system like the Revolution or DS but don't go calling it 'innovative' and completely new and unique. (Even though calling it 'old' wouldn't really be a selling point)

So, the system is not innovative because every single game will not be?

Good point, sir. Darwin's got nothin' on you.

And you're absolutely right! There is no "warrenting" for the DS, what a dumb idea Nintendo had there!

Games are where the innovation counts. You can have a fancy new controller but be doing the exact same thing; Does that classify it as being an 'innovative' experience?

You might be able to make a 2 sceen portable system but it's nothing new if you're using the bottom screen just to view a map.

As far as I'm concerned, systems barely have anything to do with 'innovation'. It's what the games do. Warioware Twisted was an innovative game and it didn't need 2 screens or a motion sensor remote to make it something special.

Double Post:
I don't even think you got that statement I said earlier.

It did kind of need a motion sensor though. If you wanted to make a point, maybe you should've mentioned innovative games that make use of the available controls, such as Katamari Damacy or Pikmin. =D

Anyway, not every title on a console has to be innovative in order for a console to be. I do agree that in the end individual titles are innovative (or not), but some consoles are more suited to innovative titles than others. The DS and the Wii both possess elements that encourage innovative gameplay designs. This is not really subject to discussion.

No, I pretty much made my point. Was the Motion Sensor originally built in the GBA, No. It was part of the game itself.

A system is only stepping stones to innovative games. It matters how many of those stones the developers try to use.

Double Post:
This conversation has given me the urge to play Warioware. I'll go do that now. :p

That's the thing with the Wii controller. It also has the wing and nunchucku attachments so that games that are ported to the Wii and arn't mapped for their exclusive controller can still be played using the Wing. Therefore madden doesn't have to be specifically designed to run on the Wii over normal porting methods.

On the other hand though should you be forced to have ten-thousand attachments just to play this game or that game? For a system that's been named and focused on simplicity, this things has more twists and turns then the last game of Labyrinth I played.

As far as things such as how the system works and what not we'll just have to wait till E3 to get more on the details. But it was a good idea to release their ridiculous name now instead of having the entire audience laughing through the confference at E3. I shall now go and find where I'm going to put my Wii.

Why are you being so black or white about this? Who said anything about both hardware and software not being able to work together to offer innovation? Yea Wii alone, without any creative games, won't revolutionize a thing. However, the console itself does half the work towards reaching such steps. The controler itself will probebly inspire game developers to create new and innovative games that they probebly wouldn't have thought of on their own.

Also, yea, not EVERY SINGLE TITLE EVARRR will use the controler. So what? If the game's damn good, and fun, why not enjoy it when there'll be plenty of other titles that do use the core controler's unique abilities? Same goes for the DS of course. Stop being such a downer.

I dunno, I class not having to hit the pause button every two minutes in a Castlevania game to look at the map as innovation of the best kind. Lazy awesome innovation.

Does anyone even try to interpret information differently? I find it amazing that most people here are basically repeating each other.

Technophile. This all started because I said too many games overuse the 'innovative' saying. I don't know why you all are making it more complicated then that. It was plain and simple. =/

No, you said Wii and the DS shouldn't be called innovative. There is a difference and the people who responded to you are exactly right, and I don't you seem to be taking any of it in.

Also I think you should read the dictionary meaning for "innovation"

in·no·va·tion
noun.

1. The act of introducing something new.
2. Something newly introduced.

Does this not perfectly describe what both the DS and Wii are doing. Do you see other handhelds with a touchscreen? No. It's an innovation in handheld gaming. Do you see other home consoles with motion sensing controllers? No. It's gaming innovation, it's innovative.

What started this was that I said the 'innovation' selling point is overused in a lot of games. Again, I don't see how something as simple as that got turned into an arguement. I simply said, they overuse the term 'innovative' on some games that barely do anything unique.

Also, Somehow, saying that comment meant that I was mad because every game isn't completely about touching a screen?

I was well aware of what innovation meant when I made the comment. Like I said a while back. Innovation is in the games (at least that's the only category where I care for innovation).

If it makes you feel better then I'll say, Yes they both are innovative systems (to your standards).

But for me, I'm not going to be calling a game innovative just because now I can see a map on another screen.

(I wonder if people think I'm a Nintendo hater now?)

Actually I've been playing touch games on my palm long before the DS, and the powerglove that I have is the same thing that Nintendo is trying to reintroduce. So are either innovative? Not really, they're just better marketed. As far as the Revolutionary part it depends on how games use their features. And if the features of the Wii is used as well as the features as the DS, then the Wii might be selling one of thoes "i"s for some extra cash to keep their heads above water.

P.S.
Soniclover: All I have to say is diddo.

What games have been called innovative, when all they have is a map on the bottom screen. None I can recall.

Also, to your standards, do you really not consider the DS or Wii innovative?

Comparing the DS to a palmheld computer is hardly logical, you're not going to call a palm a gaming console are you? Of course the DS wasn't the first to have touch screen gaming, it just brought the touch screen concept into mainstream gaming.

I think a better way to say that is that the DS was the first handheld touch-screen device designed almost SOLELY for games.

Games on the palm computers are generally shitty, and the devices themselves have far better versatility than the DS.

The DS isn't the first to have touch-screen games, no.

But it is the first one to have GOOD touch-screen games.

Nova: If you actually took the time to read the second sentence you would have seen that all I was trying to say was that they were not the first to come up with the concept. They just executed it better.

I know that your last question was not geared to me, but I do wish to answer it from my opinion if that is alright. I myself do find both the DS and Wii themselves innovative, but very few games on the DS have been innovative. Metroid was unfortunatly poorly executed, and most games hardly even use the touch screen if at all. The only games that I can think of at the moment that uses the touch screen well are warrio ware touched, trauma centre, and a release title that I can't recall the name of. But seeing that the Wii is a console and not a handheld, perhaps Nintendo will have some standards for developers to meet so that they don't end up being games that just use the buttons and not any of the system's other .

But, what would be special about Trauma Center without the touchscreen? Or Kirby's Canvas Curse? It's not just that they wouldn't be innovative they wouldn't even exist. You're putting too many eggs in one basket.

Because you are saying things that are so incredibly retarded that you are derailing the entire conversation. We can't even focus on all the good stuff coming out lately because you are, uh, a moron.

I can't believe I even have to sit here and try to convince you just how dumb you sound.

Who says everything has to be 100% innovative? Innovation is great, sure, but it doesn't have to incorporate itself into every orifice of every game ever created.

For example, I was masturbating earlier today. Now, I masturbate on a fairly regular basis, and not much generally changes between those instances. Today, I was just sitting in a chair as per usual and jackin' it. I was watching a video I'd never seen before, but my technique and style in terms of the actual masturbation remained essentially the same.
And yet, I managed to achieve my pleasure capacity, thereby splooging as messily as ever. It was a pleasurable, worthwhile experience, even if it offered nothing new in terms of execution.

See?

By the way, here's a much better video of that supposed Wii Tony Hawk game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp0J-...%2F4%2F29%2D66

Well, you can actually see this one. Much better. Thanks!

Well if that is what the Wii is capable of (considering we add some background and other stuff to that black scene) then I would be really suprised. It looks great.

I doubt it though

actually, i'd bet that any of the current consoles could do that- rendering a good-looking human isn't hard when hardly anything else is being rendered at all. i mean look at it! you've got a curb, and a couple of trash cans around. not exactly difficult for the graphics processor.

The lighting on that character is good, but god damn that background is shitty. Looks like Dreamcast.

Did I say that no DS games offer anything new? You're making arguements out of nothing. You keep adding these assumptions to what I say and then make it into another arguement and keep branching this whole conversation out.

Do I have to repeat myself again? I simply said that some DS games overuse the 'innovation' selling point. I think it's really an overused term. Somehow, by just saying that, you made up a whole war about it.

Also, apparently, most people here think the same, since nobody else tried to think "hey, maybe that's not what soniclover meant and BlueMikey interpreted it wrong?". They'd rather read your response and just side with you instead.


You do understand that you started this whole mess because you took my "the innovation term is overused on some games" statement out of context.

I love how you said nobody can focus on the good stuff because of this conversation. Interesting. If you really wanted this to be focused on 'the good stuff' then why would you keep draging this out and keep making arguements about nothing?

I think it's hillarious when people say things like this. So, you have to sit here and argue, huh? Again, if you really wanted to change the subject, then you'd just skip over this now wouldn't you? Why would you drag out a conversation that you supposedly don't want to be in?

Okay, so is this over now? I'm tired of fighting a battle of assumptions but I'm sure somebody will be happy enough to try to drag this battle of nothingness out even longer. =/

That's an insult to the Dreamcast, it was capable of far better than that. For comparison, I think those Shen Mue tech demos looked pretty impressive. In fact, even those looked better than the Tony Hawk test.

The lighting on the character does look good though, but why is the background shadow so static? It doesn't even move or align itself to where the light source is coming from, which is pretty strange considering how the character shadowing looks. Granted, it looks like a really early test, but you'd think the basic lighting and rendering system would be the first thing that they'd finish. But it does look really early, and there isn't even any evidence that it's even from an official game.

Didn't the Tiger Game.com have a touch screen?

Yes, that´s what I actually ment - one single character model shouldn´t be a problem to render - but if you add more background objects with detailed textures and models and maybe other characters to it I think it could get critical (if we assume that the specs that IGN posted are real).

Not that I care that much about graphics, I just say that I would be surprised if wii games could have graphics like that.

No, BlueMikey didn't do a thing wrong. You're the one who keeps dragging this bullshit out just because you can't clearly state that "innovation" is a buzzword; which it is. If the result of said buzzword is a great game then who the fuck cares? Now get back to the regular topic of Wii, Revolution, N5, or whatever the fuck you want to call it or I will ban your ass from this thread.

Even though I clearly stated my point again and again. I'm sure I was wrong for it in the first place since the moderator says so.

Oh, I'm sorry for dragging out ignorant attacks on me. Sorry Everyone, next time I'll just l won't comment on it so everyone can be blissfully happy and don't have to get defensive over nothing. :(

You're pushing my patience here, guy. I have stated that I will quell any faggotry in this thread from the get go. Read the first post.

You can post in this thread. Just make it worth our time.

Here's an article with three marketing concepts for Wii. (with one concept commercial). They're pretty cool ideas, even though the author seems to still hate the name "Wii".

Wiiiii

Those advertisements were better than I thought they'd be. I could see Nintendo making something similar to it.

But, as long as it's not like the PSP commercials, then I'm satisfied.

Sometimes I wonder if any Nintendo advertisements can ever reel in the mainstream crowd. I know a lot of people who took notice of the 'It's like a nut you can play outside' PSP advertisements but I never heard of anyone talking about Nintendo commercials.

Metal Slug Anthology :rock:

SNK support for a Nintendo console? Is it 1994 again?

^Best series ever comes to Wii. No reason to not buy one now.

Fucking AMAZING. Hopefully they allow you to flip the controller around and use the traditional gameplay method along with the newfangled Wii control scheme. I don't see how you could control a 2D game with a 3D controller, but we'll see soon!

I'm not really all that familiar with the Metal Slug series. I just know that the franchise is very popular and it's a side-scrolling shooter(?) [correct me if I'm wrong here]

However because of the very same reason you stated above, I'm very curious about the game now. Can't wait to see how it turns out.

Hell, yeah!! Now gimme a King of Fighters collection to put that "shell" design to use.

I could see some sort of "Joystick emulation" going on with the stick.

You know, like you hold it vertically and tilt it back and forth, and use the trigger/side buttons to shoot.

Of course, there could be some crappy "point at the screen where you want your character to move," but that seems too laggy to work.

I thought SNK died. Can someone enlighten me on details of their return of WTF.

Kick ass, honestly, what could Sony show us that would be at all exciting at E3? OMG LOOK AT TEH GRAPHICS LOLZ. Only Sony things I'm looking forward to are the new PS3 controller, God of War 2, and MGS4.

Nintendo is gonna OWN this year's show, unquestionably.

Those polls are always plagued by Nintendo fanboys, they always sway towards Nintendo. I wouldn't read that much into a Internet poll where Nintendo is involved.

what qualifies as other?

PC...either that or some kind of new N-Gage portable.

I would have thought more people would have voted for "other", I mean Spore is looking awesome. Other would have definately been my second choice because of it.

Spore? I've been looking at that game, and I doubt that I'll even play it when it comes out. It's more of a life simulator than a game in the traditional sense. For some reason I can see that game attracting a large mormon crowd.

Spore looks incredible, but it's a different type of game. It's like a digital (and very advanced) form of Legos.
And it's awesome.

But it's not the game I'm looking forward to most. Twilight Princess and Wii information are going to be taking the top spots.

SNK got bought up by a dodgy company called Playmore. I think they're French, but I'm not sure. Ever since, they've been releasing titles in their various franchises that can charitably be described as "inferior".

Nevertheless, support for the Wii is cool. Especially since it's a collection of Metal Slug games, which all kick booty!

Wii? Seems like I missed something during my absence of the Internet. Well, even so, it's not like I love the name, but I guess it's okay. However, those kids around here should probably butcher Nintendo more after this name change.

whooa! freaking Metal Slug for the Wii - now that was unexpected! I can only speak for myself but now every doubt is gone - I´m gonna get one of those things for sure. What would be even cooler would be an online mode but I think that´s unlikely.

I´m also eager to know what SNK (or what´s left of them) thought out for the controls with the Wiimote.

And I agree that polls concerning the 3 next-gen consoles on the Internet are pretty biased, but someone made a poll with developers and the ones who were most interested in Nintendo´s E3 presentation this year were still in the majority. (I think the poll was on Joystiq too, I´m not sure..)

Here's an article suggesting that Wii's last major secret may be the fact that it uses "Augmented Reality". I don't really understand how it's working. In the video, it looks like the demonstrator just generates holograms within his hand outta thin air. (It's also worth noting that this video is old and has been around before. However, I don't think it was linked to Nintendo until now). A bit farfetched (Then again what about Wii isn't farfetched), but an interesting read.

too good to be true?

I can see that definitely being possible. Using the wiimote to simulate objects in someone's hand that you can then manipulate on screen is pretty much a given due to the nature of the controller. It's literally like a 3D mouse.

If that became so, I'd almost be ready to say that Nintendo has this generation.

I've been looking forward to a low price tag, but I don't know how much I'd pay for THAT. One realisation that I had was that whether the secret was this or not, it's probably just as impressive, considering what has been said.

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Linky.

Pilotwings?! Now I am pumped!

In Penny-Arcade's latest "podcast" (I am not sure what that word means, but that's what they call it), they raise a fairly interesting issue. Or at least, something to think about: Nintendo is intending to target non-hardcore gamers with this system. It's clear that the Wii has both the professional scene and the "hardcore" gaming fans excited, but Tycho questions whether this will actually make Mom and Dad want to buy a console.

Although I hadn't really thought about the possibility of the Wii not being a crossover product, it does seem like something that can be questioned. My mum loves to play Pikmin on the Gamecube, and Katamari on the PS2, but I doubt very much that she would buy a console if I didn't give them to her. Would she do so for the Wii? I don't really know.

Can you guys see your non-gaming family members enjoying the Wii? Enough to warrant buying one?

That's pretty much an imposibility, unless they included a camera with the system and licensed the technology (or made their own). Chances are Nintendo doesn't want to do that since it would raise the cost substantially, and there hasn't been any indication that they are considering this (unlike the idea behind the Wii controller where they had bought stock in Gyration years beforehand). In addition, it somewhat defeats the entire purpose of the Revolution controller since there wouldn't be a NEED for a motion-sensing device when the system could simply read your movements through the camera.

Oh, and no, this DOES NOT generate holograms. It doesn't have anything to do with projecting or modifying anything into the real world. What it does is read the position of your body, and then uses the information to translate your position into an application, effectively making your body a 3d model. With this, they can do things like "attach" objects to your model and use the model to control aspects of a game. For example, you could hold out your hand and "point" at something to point a gun in the game. Think of it as an extended Eyetoy. Actually, from what I hear, Sony is considering using this technology for the PS3 Eyetoy.


Well, looks like my earlier guess that the "mystery SNES/N64 game" on the Wii has a good chance of being true. Would certainly seem to be a good choice to show off the Wii controller. Although I wonder how the controls will work without a central axis point.

A camera can't accurately pick up 3d movement.

Oh man. 'Wii Love Pilotwings' is THE game I'm hoping for at E3. THE GAME. TEN YEARS since Pilotwings 64. I want to move around the room like a hang glider, making hang glider noises, crashing on-screen hang gliders into mountains. NO OTHER WII ANNOUNCEMENTS MATTER. PILOTWINGS IS IT. >=O

It can to an extent. In the video demonstrations, objects can be "placed" in people's hands fairly accurately. Their orientation and position match up very close to how an actual object would. One demonstration where it "painted" people's faces and put accessories like hats and glasses on them was pretty impressive, it matched up to the contours of their faces very well.

"Can you guys see your non-gaming family members enjoying the Wii? Enough to warrant buying one?"

My mother and sister keep constantly asking me when Wii is coming out. They are extremely interested in it.
My sister plays some Gamecube with me, my mother hardly any games at all. Both of them really enjoyed the DS when it came out, and still want one for themselves.
I think they'll have to release a game that interests them enough to warrant a purchase (beyond just playing mine), but I also think this is highly likely, even in the launch frame.

I can see non-gamers being interested in things such as EyeToy and SingStar much more so than Wii. Sad but true. Besides, the officially announced games so far don't include any 'family' or fun multiplayer games.

I'm skeptical of the Wii approach. Gaming has already become mainstream and appealing to even more idiots isn't necessarily a good thing. Most Next-Gen games are already announced for PS3/Xbox 360 exklusively with no mention of Wii - Third Party support is also still lacking as of now.

As much as I like it, I think the "revolutionary" controller will eventually backfire on them because it will dramatically decrease the types of games suitable for Wii.

Not necessarily. All companys would have to do is build the game around the Gamecube controller or one of Wiis "shells". Not ALL games have to use the Wiis controller to the extent that you're flinging your arms around.

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Go away.

"Gaming has already become mainstream and appealing to even more idiots isn't necessarily a good thing."

You say that in a manner that suggests gamers aren't the biggest idiots, ever.

Edit: Also, a mighty LOL for that Rayman picture. Note grandpa in the bottom right corner.

Whoa RAB, are those Rayman Wii pics? Where'd you get those? Also, I think the shots and clips where they show players fully swinging their arms are exaggerated. Right? Cause they keep saying how you just need to flick your wrist. I guess you can play both ways.

Anyway, seems like Nintendo themselves will be providing live E3 coverage here during the big event! I guess they know how huge and curcial this E3 is for them so they're not cutting any corners. :)

In the "flower/lightsaber/etc..." demonstration, he had a sensor in his hand. Once it reached the "car" stuff, all that technology relies on a multiple camera set-up and is basically impossible for Wii to do.

In the webcam video you saw with the hats and glasses, that was purely FACE tracking, not body.

Anyhow, it'd be cool if Nintendo did this, since it's a pretty simple add-on, but the thing is... you'd have to see yourself onscreen all the time to enjoy it. And basically, that's not gonna happen unless it's a type of Eyetoy minigame.

Most of the Wii games are probably going to be first person, since the controller is based around the idea of you controlling actions directly.

Where the hell is this from. I hope it's not recent, because there's something very like an 80s Nintendo magazine ad to it.

That's true, however I can also picture certain side-scrollers, and fighting games. Hell, maybe even standard RPGs. All you need is a few simple commands.

Poor Rayman. That 1980's radical awesome gnarly flashback is official. Wii launch title.

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Wow, I'm actualy surprised that a multiplatform title is getting a special control scheme just for the Wii version. Figured most titles spanning all three consoles would just use Wii's "normal" shell or GC controler. Oh and this concept art for the title is pretty awsome. XD [the one Infernal Monkey has in his post above]


Rayman games are usualy pretty great. I may end up picking this up with the console.

Oh and I hope you guys are wrong about your predictions that most games will be 1st person. I'm not too fond 1st person views. There's just something more satisfying about seeing someone/something represent your actions on screen. I personaly see no problem with applying Wii's core remote's abilities to a, say, 3rd person platformer or action/adventure game.

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Aaah Infernal Monkey! Too fast!

WTF is with those two kids?

I fail to see whether that's a marketing ploy, a demonstration of the Wii's controller, or some weird cross-culture promotion.

I think it's suppose to suggest that "cool and hip" kids from all sorts of different scenes can enjoy Wii together. Or Rayman Wii to be exact. Meh, I just like the crazed bunnies XD.

I'm not sure, is the kid in black a boy or girl?

"I'm not sure, is the kid in black a boy or girl?"

Neither. That entity has transcended gender through its sheer awesomeness.

Gee the Gaming Age water mark doesn't give away where it's from? This is recent it's very recent, the picture had been publically availible for about half an hour when I posted it here.

I feel pretty safe in saying that the shell doesn't even exist. Would EA set p an entire new division just for Revolution if it did?

You say guy in it's plural form, connotating that multible people think this way. It's just JazzFlight who on the record for having no imagination or any idea whatsoever.

Yeah you have a point there. I mean, they haven't even shown this so-called shell at all. But, you never know, it could be saved up for E3. Besides, even if it did indeed get canned, there's still the GC controler. =p

Even though Neogin suggests other genres and views, he does state that he agrees with him, hence, "guys". But I'm probebly nitpicking here. I'm sure Nintendo will offer numerous games in a veriaty of views. After all, I doubt we're gonna see something like KIRBY: ARMED & LOADED shooter gracing Wii anytime soon. Or ever.

I think he's stating that the true part is Wii's controller letting you take direct control.

First person games wont be a major focus thanks to one word, Japan.

You're telling me the Japanese live in 3rd person view?

He's telling you the Japanese dont like first person games.

I'm quite sure he's calling Asians 3rd persons. That would explain why they seem to love RPGs and side-scrollers and such rather than our love for the FPS games. I'm still calling his bluff on that.

Oh I see so it was a joke? LOL oh wait no.

Whoops.

It's because first person games don't sell in Japan. Even Metroid Prime flopped over there.

First screenshots of "Sadness" trailer emerged. Wether they use real actors for the FMV OR this is just part of the trailer OR Wii has specs that make the other next-gen consoles look like crap.

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Picture 3 bothers me a little. Why would Nibris release a 1280x720 ingame screenshot if the Wii doesn't have HDTV?
OK, Nintendo did the same with "Twilight Princess" for GameCube but still...

Metroid Prime kind of sucked no matter where you live though, but you're right, they don't like first person games. But neither do I (at least on consoles), so that's okay by me. =D

I really hope that Sadness isn't all "7th Guest"-FMV like the first two screenshots suggest, cause even though I loved that game, it's 2006 now and we've passed that station around 1994. I do really like the style of the third screenshot though, although I'm not sure what's happening there... Looks exciting anyway!

I am really hoping that a Wii version of Metronome will be announced, cause I've been excited about that game anyway, and I think the Wii controller can really add something to it.

Fixed.

I refused to play Prime for two years, saying that it was horrible because Metroid should never be 3D. Then I played the game, and I must say that as far as Metroid goes, Prime 1 and 2 are second only to Metroid III.

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EDIT: There, really fixed. And I agree, sorry for bringing up a stupid debate of taste. I'll stop now

You didn't fix it properly! I think you meant to put "ruled" or whatever there. Anyway, you're wrong. But let's not get into the debate of whether Metroid Prime sucks or not. :tpg: (To its credit, MP2 is probably the best first person shooter on a console. Not saying much, but it's something.)

Uhh, ok, the first two shots are just a person supposedly playing the game, the third shot looks like a photoshop job on some artwork (you can even tell what filter they used if you've used the program...), and the fourth is, well, a generic logo. I'm starting to wonder if they even have a game yet, it seems like everything that's been shown for it is just concept stuff.

Wii don't have to wait that long anymore.

4-5 (depending on the time you read this) days till the Revolution!

Didn't notice the person is holding something in the first picture. Well, at first I also though of 7th Guest with its incredibly hilarious FMVs - but that's most likely ruled out now, I guess.
An actual trailer is said to be released on the first E3 day, May 10th.

And boy, am I excited about the press conference. Hope the live stream servers don't break down like last year.

May 9th is the press conference. And FFS, don't tell people where to watch it live. I don't want CR to crash.

You guys have done fairly well in this thread. Nintendo Conference is coming up soon so I'm closing this thread to make way for the Pre-E3 Wii thread. Read the first post and follow the rules or get lost. Enjoy. =)

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