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Is Sonic losing his speed?
I've played Sonic games since the day I read the comics and watch the animated series in 1994. But lately, the games & the hedgehog himself have taken a turn for the worst in my opinion. In beginning of the last year both SEGA & Nintendo were working together to make the 2008 Olympics game "Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games" which was good, but it wasn't all about the speed blue dude. After that, they recently came out with the first ever RPG version of Sonic called "Sonic Chronicles" and what made this game go "WTH", it was the fact that they turned Eggman into an ally, not the main villain. Once the DS game came out, so did "Sonic UNLeashed", now I hated the fact that SEGA had turned the hedgehog into what he's now being called as a "Werehog". I mean they really did it with another bad gimmick like with Sonic 06. Now what I like about the game was the day time levels that were almost good enough to say that it was just the thing to keep the speedy blue hedgehog going & going. But was really disappointed with the gameplay for the night time levels which it was like playing "Shadow the Hedgehog" with the Werehog looking like a cheep version of "Crash Bandicoot", and the attacks like "God of War". Almost none of this stuff was not original, and that should have never been introduced. Even since the "Sonic Adventures" era, I stop playing the games until when they made a game all about the "Bad-Boy" version of Sonic "Shadow the Hedgehog" which wasn't has good as "Adventure", but the storylines were incredible. On the part of which side should Shadow be, Good or Bad, you made his fates by playing the game in a certain way to know what the outcome was going be. With now, the Black Knight out has made the facts clear that SEGA no longer wants to care about their original mascot any more. I mean they care more about "Condemned", "House of the Dead", and some others that aren't about Sonic at all. What do you guys think? For me, I'll enjoy with watch all the sonic shows I haven't seen all the way, including the comics as well. Also playing the Adventure games too. I've found some interesting articles & videos about this topic and they are
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I, personally, wasn't disappointed with Sonic and the Black Knight. It was a fun, speedy game, especially later on, after the storyline was finished. Getting Five-star ranks on every mission kept me playing. Sonic Unleashed's Day-time levels were great fun for me, although, for the earlier levels, I felt I was just watching Sonic, and not actually contolling him. And the Night levels, although not as bad as what some people thought they were, were actually quite enjoyable for me, but still worse than the Day-time levels. I never played Sonic 06, so I can't comment on that, but I heard I wasn't missing out on much there. Sonic Adventure was really fun, excluding Big's levels. I hated those. Sonic Adventure 2 was really good as well. One thing I can say about Sonic games, is that they always seem to have great music. Shadow the Hedgehog's soundtrack was a little disappointing, but some of the songs were good. I actually found some enjoyment in Shadow the Hedgehog. Still, my favourite Sonic game was Sonic 3 and Sonic and Knuckles combined. Oh, the memories...
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As soon as Sonic games started trying to have Final Fantasy style story lines is when the series went down the crapper I think. Just takes itself so damn seriously now ignoring everything that made it good in the first place (gameplay and otherwise)
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Sonic 06 was trying to be epic like DragonBall Z or Final Fantasy, but it sucked. All though, did bring in "Silver" who was almost cool and the "well-done" CGI movies to make up for the game's creditability. If you haven't read the article about more problems with Sonic, you should, it is completely sound.
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I think Yahtzee best summed it up when he said that he thinks they really just have a board with ideas on it and throw darts to decide what their next Sonic game will be.
Eggman as an ally shouldn't be too much of a surprise. They're trying to steal Nintendo's ideas, look at some of the Mario RPGs where Bowser is an ally. I think this is partially because after the villain is around so long, he starts to grow abit of a fanbase of his own alongside the main character. |
I had no idea that they were being "Copycats" to idea that was from Nintendo, and that right there proves some of my points. SEGA doesn't want to be original, anymore.
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The Sonic franchise is getting a bit worn out like an old glove. As long as it is getting revenue, I am sure they are going to keep abusing the franchise. However, I wish they would just dump the franchise to work on more ambitious, creative projects (i.e. Valkyria Chronicles).
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I haven't been arsed to play any of the games aside from uh, Sonic Rush, but that's a DS title and was somewhere better than all the console attempts they've done thus far. Shadow the Hedgehog? Trash. 06? Trash. Unleashed? Trash. Secret Rings? Who the fuck plays Wii games. Black Knight? Not even going to bother. I'm sure that Miles however, will be more than thrilled to tell us all about why he keeps playing these fucking games. EDIT: Oh and I think I have Sonic Battle somewhere. I believe that came out the same year as Heroes and was pretty decent fare. |
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Man Acer where the fuck do you find that shit.
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Here a sample of the one article that pretty much explains all questions on the continuing problems with Sonic
The Great Sonic Debate:
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Hardcore gamers like myself require better storylines in Sonic games but they cannot be so complicated I mean it's too convoluted for gamers like me Sega needs to recognise the hardcore gamers and hurry up and make a Sonic game that focuses on the story and answers all the questions about Shadow we are desperate to have resolved |
Ever since the Retro day's of Sonic, the stories have been contently changing. But I'm surprised that the comic has always adjust the changes of Sonic & Friends stories from the games or by thought.
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You know, if you're interested in the Sonic comics, one of our members works on them all the time. I'm sure if you sent him a PM he'd love to discuss any ideas you might have. You know, for story ideas and things like that.
Here is his profile |
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One of these days. I will hunt you down. AND I WILL ANNIHILATE YOU. |
Yes, yes! Know the terror of the fanbase as your palace gates dissolve in a sea of drool!
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NO. DISS. LOL! OMG I HATE YOU SO MUCH AND I SWEAR THAT WHEN I GET HOME FROM SCHOOL AND BACK IN IRC I AM GOING TO KILL YOU YOU ARE SO FREAKING DEAD >8( |
O,no, dude. All I was going to say is "I can't Believe that this comic book series has lasted an decade after the first 3 games were released, I've been lacking in the stories so I'm going back to the beginning and read my way to the current state of the comics. PS: Have you guys there at Archie comics made a record for you long running comic book series? Your comics can "in way" beat the games anytime. Congrats."
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Sonic-Dude that over thought out article almost reminds me of those endless bloody arguements religons have over which is the right version, I'm not going to be technical over something that tries to be deep but isn't, but here's the 2 cents of an old skool sonic fan.
For starters the meanings of the plot changes are just SEGA, fleetway or whatever company involved trying to make the sonic universe more appealing to their target audience. Apart from maybe the comic they have mostly failed at it, but hey we now have about 8 different versions of the sonic universe so full of plot holes it's impossible to link them all together. Cliche as it may sound but I tend to compare sonic games with how mario has done now. Most of the time his game plots and vocabulary remind me of something out of a carefree pre school cartoon, but at least they get the gameplay right. Sonic tries to take the opposite approach for the most part and they can't even get sonic's image, storyline or universe right. edit: Quote:
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I agree with the thread starter.
Sonic not only lost his speed , he also lost his idenity. Sonic died for me , but maybe there are way to fix it yet. (the following are my opinions , not facts ) 1.Remove any other charecter besides Tails and eggman,and maybe knuckles. 2.Stop trying to take the franchise in new direction , such as an RPG. 3.stop trying to change sonic. the idea of Sonic was awesome at the start, a blue hedgehog running at the speed of a race car . now it's a "Werehog" . 4.Don't give him weapons. no gun, no nothing. 5.Enough with the stupid sports game. |
Here's a guys idea for a new look on Sonic's Story
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PS: I think this Sonic story is very original & epic. |
Original? Epic? I can't believe I read that shit. It's basically SatAM with a layer of more bullshit and tidbits from the first three games layered on top.
Here's a story for you. On Earth or Mobius or planetwhogivesaflyingshit there are these anthropomorphic critters living and talking like you or I but some of them for whatever reason can run fast, fly, or whatever to an absurd degree. Is there a huge or small human civilization? Like I care. There's Robotnik. He likes experimenting and robotics/machinery. He figures out an easy energy source and brain of sorts for his robots is little critters. This pisses off Sonic so he goes to free the critters and put a stop to Robotnik. Robotnik gets defeated, holds a grudge against Sonic or some crap and looks for power sources be they more critters, chaos emeralds, satanic energy, whatever, so he can continue his experiments and/or take over the world or better the world to how he sees fit. Rinse and repeat. Sonic and maybe 2 or 3 buds go and run around really fast, beat up some robots or whatever minions, collect some rings and shit, and defeat Robotnik for whatever reason that is convenient for winding down some workings of a plot. The fucking end. I don't care where Sonic goes and hangs his hat. I don't give a fuck about his animal buddies and their freedom fighting. I don't need a god damn creation story or mythology essay to enjoy makecharactergoforwardfastjumparoundexplodesomethi ngs. |
Oh wow that was a whole lot of bullshit. Since when did a video game icon like Sonic need so much backstory. Christmas Land? Sir Charles Hedgehog?
Damn its like, once upon a time Mario was born in say... Plumberland (in a giant mushroom), with his father Lord William the 1st who had sex with a female mushroom. One day baby bowser (born as a bastard child of Duke Mushroom and Turtle Queen) takes revenge by kidnapping Mario (and his adopted brother luigi) for a human/mushroom hybrid sacrifice to take over the world... Geez, someone has a lot of time on their hands to make this shit up. Next, this writer will probably attempt to explain how Mario and Sonic met up to do the Olympics together. Hm I wonder "Is Mario losing his bounciness?" |
Why haven't they thought of making him faster than he was originally rather than making him lurch like a motherfucker for things like werehog and LIKE A SWORD
I've always had the idea in my head that 'next-gen' Sonic would be almost exactly like the original games, but sped up to the point where everything is a blur. In order to throw a wrench into your speeding, the game would throw enemies/obstacles in your way that this hypothetical game's hud would warn you is incoming and imminent (maybe a small screen would appear in the corner giving you a glimpse of what exactly it is, like say... spikes or a robot about to shoot stuff in your direction). You would use the time between the warning and your actual arrival at that obstacle/enemy to figure out how to get through it or go over it without slowing down to a halt (like a dash-spin or a homing bop on the head). The rest of the time you'd be maneuvering through the course layout, trying to get to/maintain your top speed. All the while figure-8 running, Sonic CD style. That's really the only way Sonic can be entertaining in 3D. Not that I expect Sega to ever do that, though. Watching Sonic fans try to compromise with themselves on the bleak future of the series is just as gratifying, anyway. |
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I disagree that speed would be the only way to tackle it as well, since you could instead take the Sonic games down a route like shooters have gone, where the focus of the game becomes the speed of the decisions you have to make, not necessarily the speed with which you move. An Ikaruga style take would be kind of interesting, with swapping of characters based on threats or vulnerabilities. Also, various attempts have been made at creating all kinds of crazy Mario backstory. Remember the horror of the Super Mario Super Show? http://araesmojo.001webs.com/SMSS01.jpg http://araesmojo.001webs.com/SMSS10.jpg http://araesmojo.001webs.com/SMSS18.jpg |
I'm not saying faster automatically makes it better. I'm suggesting that, if Sega must change the format (as they seem intent on doing), the route opposite the one they're currently taking seems like it would be more viable.
And the original Sonic titles were about opportune button presses to keep the momentum going. I mean, you could take your time, but it was boring-ass shit. |
Dude, don't forget to give some loving to the Super Mario Movie also.
(hell, still waiting for a Sonic the hedgehog LA movie...its gonna happen, I know it) |
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Here's the thing, though. YOU DON'T NEED TO. No one needs to. It is a waste of energy and of bandwidth to sit around coming up with incredibly deep Sonic backstories. Sonic is blue, and he jumps on things really quickly! That's fucking IT! If you want Sonic to get his speed back, perhaps you should focus less on the backstory and more on the fact that focusing on the story is what's slowing him down in the goddamn first place. |
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Oh yeah, making such stories is a real WASTE of time. It really isn't necessary to play these games with an extensive knowledge of SONIC THE HEDGEHOG LORE. These fanmade backstories are pretty much as useful as those youtube poop flicks with Robonik and his Pingas. |
How about a story just about Sonic alone, to get things moving? Before all the other charters came in to play.
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Let me say it to you in plain English. Again. No one here cares about Sonic's backstory. If you want to write one, do it yourself, don't share it with us, and stop posting. That last part you should probably do regardless. |
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