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evergreen Apr 3, 2006 10:31 PM

Harry Potter and the Last Book (Now with Discussion of Books 1-6!!)
 
There hasn't been a Harry Potter thread yet, so I thought it would be as good a time as ever.

Primarily though, I wanted to use this as a vehicle to put forth an oft-discussed possibility: what if J.K. Rowling dies before completing the last book? Are there any particular theories you've heard of or made that you favor in particular that you'll carry as your own personal ending for the series?

So yeah, discuss your thoughts on the series, but also what you think will happen in book 7!

knkwzrd Apr 3, 2006 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by evergreen
Primarily though, I wanted to use this as a vehicle to put forth an oft-discussed possibility: what if J.K. Rowling dies before completing the last book?

This is an oft-discussed possibility?

Zephos Apr 4, 2006 12:17 AM

I remember having this same hypothetical discussion about John Williams and whether he'd die before Episode III or the next Harry Potter. I for one find it a pointless thing to ask. What would happen? People would grieve. Then they would move on. Just like every other death for every single other person on the planet. We don't what-if them, do we?

CloudNine Apr 4, 2006 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by knkwzrd
This is an oft-discussed possibility?

I think he probably meant often discussed possibility.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zephos
I remember having this same hypothetical discussion about John Williams and whether he'd die before Episode III or the next Harry Potter. I for one find it a pointless thing to ask. What would happen? People would grieve. Then they would move on. Just like every other death for every single other person on the planet. We don't what-if them, do we?

John Williams dying is a little bit different than J.K Rowling dying. If you're going to liken it to anything from Star Wars, the only thing that would be adequate would be picking George Lucas, as it would have been much harder for Episode III to be made without him. Just like Harry Potter would obviously not be able to continue if Rowling dies.

On Potter, though. There isn't really too much to discuss, besides that W.O.M.B.A.T. test posted on her site the other day. Considering the book won't be out for another year at the least.

But hey, I'm all for theorizing if anyone wishes.

Helloween Apr 4, 2006 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Zephos
I remember having this same hypothetical discussion about John Williams and whether he'd die before Episode III or the next Harry Potter.

Well he still didn't do the music for HP GoF.

I frankly am waiting in great earnest for the seventh book to come out. I greatly enjoyed the sixth book, and can't wait to see how it all ends. I have some theories, but i'll wait for more theoretical discussion to voice them.

As for the movies, i'm pleased with the latest installment, more so even than the book in some places. This director looks like a good choice, but if he does a ruddy job of number five, or doesn't continue for one reason or another, i'd like to see Terry Gilliam in the director's chair. I'm curious to see what he'd do with the serise, and i have faith in his abilities.

Shadow Drax Apr 4, 2006 01:58 PM

I can't wait for the last book, but I'm not even going to try and predict what happens, except for the blindingly obvious, of course! I've been fooled too many times by J.K Rowling...

I really enjoyed the last movie, much more than I thought I would - I thought it would seem too rushed, with the amount of material that had to be left out. Here's hoping they'll do a similarly good (or better!) job on the fifth one!

Matt Apr 4, 2006 03:15 PM

I'm actually in the middle of Half-Blood Prince right now. I figure I'm at the halfway point because it's Christmas and all that jazz.

So far I don't really get what all the big "this book sucks" talk was about. It's written in the same stlye as the other books so what's the big deal?
In regards to "snogging":
My only gripe with the book is the romantic "crush" parts. You know, Hermoine and Ron and Harry and who they like and who they don't and how they want to be in a relationship and whatever. It adds a dynamic to the story, sure, but it feels like it's forced in there. Although I suppose that real relationships are forced into everyday life as well...

Eleo Apr 4, 2006 03:35 PM

She should write those crush parts more true to life and they should get boners and fap (or schlick) to the people they like. Then I could relate.

Matt Apr 4, 2006 03:47 PM

Maybe it's all written between the lines?

I remember one part where Hermoine went to bed "very early in the evening, at seven". Hmmmm...wonder what she was doing? :tpg:

CloudNine Apr 4, 2006 06:42 PM

If you're worried about awkward forced relationships, wait until the end. You'll really no what out of nowhere means.

Amanda Apr 4, 2006 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by evergreen
Primarily though, I wanted to use this as a vehicle to put forth an oft-discussed possibility: what if J.K. Rowling dies before completing the last book?

My guess is that they'd do what they did when Douglas Adams died: go through her writing, find anything that's more or less finished, and publish what's there along with any other interesting odds and ends they find among her notes.

At the moment, I'm mostly speculating about whether (should we bother marking spoilers for book 6 any more? Oh well, whatever...)...
Spoiler:
...Harry is going to go back to Hogwarts in the fall or go off looking for those Horcruxes (sp?). It seems like things have gotten to the point where it's moved way beyond the scope of Hogwarts, and Dumbledore's death might have been symbolic of Hogwarts "dying" in the sense of being a central setting for the story. But then, maybe they'll have gathered most of the Horcruxes over the summer and he'll go back to school regardless. I'm not sure which one I'm hoping for at this point. The more I think about it the less it makes sense for him to spend the year at Hogwarts, but still... Off looking for magic items, possibly with his friends in tow? It'd be "Harry Potter and the RPG Quest".

CloudNine Apr 4, 2006 09:46 PM

I say no spoilers for book six, either. But since someone above said he's still reading it, I'll do it.

Spoiler:

I don't know, either. It seems like there is so much that Jo would have to fit in the last book, that Harry might not have time to be back at Hogwarts.

Let me know if I am wrong. The horcruxes, as Dumbledore thought are:

The Diary
Marvolo's Ring
Slytherin's Locket
Hufflecup's Goblet
Something of Ravenclaw's
Something of Gryffindor's

Now, two of those (Ring and Diary) and possibly a third (Locket) are already taken care of. To me, it would seem like it would probably take a lot of work for Harry to find the goblet and figure out what the other two are. Considering Dumbledore hadn't been able to find them all the time that he was looking, I don't think Harry would be able to find them all by himself and go full time to school as well.

I don't like to think like that, though. It just wouldn't be the same without Hogwarts of some sort. Besides, what would Harry do if he didn't finish his schooling? Maybe we should take this as a hint that there won't be a need for the schooling...

Helloween Apr 4, 2006 09:51 PM

Spoiler:
I thought one of the Horcruxes was Nagini the snake.

evergreen Apr 4, 2006 09:51 PM

Oh yeah.

Spoiler:
Who do you think R.A.B. is?

Dopefish Apr 4, 2006 09:51 PM

On the main forum page I saw "Harry Potter and the Last" and I thought the title of the book had been announced and would be "Harry Potter and the Last Crusade". Harry's going back in time to defeat the Nazis! ;)

Helloween Apr 4, 2006 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by evergreen
Spoiler:
Who do you think R.A.B. is?

Spoiler:
I figured it was Regulus Black (Sirius' brother) as soon as i read it. Apperantly J.K. has said that is him, but i like to think i figured it out on my own.

CloudNine Apr 4, 2006 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Helloween
Spoiler:
I thought one of the Horcruxes was Nagini the snake.

Ah yes, you are correct.

Spoiler:

It was something from either gryffindor or ravenclaw and Nagini.

And yes, RAB is supposedly Regulus Black.

Dekoa Apr 4, 2006 10:23 PM

I posted this in the spoilers thread but I'll post it again just to make a point.

An aquaitence of mine has a theory:

It's Frankenstien:
He thinks that Dumbledore never died, that it was in fact Peter Petigrew. This being that he reasons Snape using the controlling curse on Petigrew. At the beginning, Petigrew was with Snape and seemed to be his servent. With the controlling curse, he was told to act just like Dumbledore and he used the Polyjuice potion. Not only that but when the tower scene happened, Dumbledore was pleading because when he was around Snape, he was normal. And that is why Dumbledore begged for his life.

Helloween Apr 4, 2006 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dekoa
I posted this in the spoilers thread but I'll post it again just to make a point.

An aquaitence of mine has a theory:

It's Frankenstien:
He thinks that Dumbledore never died, that it was in fact Peter Petigrew. This being that he reasons Snape using the controlling curse on Petigrew. At the beginning, Petigrew was with Snape and seemed to be his servent. With the controlling curse, he was told to act just like Dumbledore and he used the Polyjuice potion. Not only that but when the tower scene happened, Dumbledore was pleading because when he was around Snape, he was normal. And that is why Dumbledore begged for his life.

Spoiler:
just remember that Dumbledore never actually pleaded for his life. He said "Severus, please." and that was it. That could mean any number of things, like it was an elaborate plan, and Dumbledore was confident in Harry's ability to carry on on his own.

CloudNine Apr 4, 2006 10:59 PM

Spoiler:

Also remember all the things that happened leading up to the time that Harry and Dumbledore arrived on the Astronomy tower. Assuming that the only people to enter the cave besides Riddle and R.A.B., were Harry and Dumbledore, how could Pettigrew, or Snape controlling him, know how to get to the horcrux? Considering that it has been said that the only person that was thought to be more powerful than Riddle, at the peak of his power, was Dumbledore. I would think that no one would have been able to get past those protections besides Dumbledore. If it had to be Dumbledore in the cave with Harry and seeing as how they never left each others sight since they left the Castle, how could it have been Pettigrew? I don't think that theory makes much sense.

I am inclined to think that Dumbledore died on purpose, having told Snape to do what he had to do to stay undercover with Riddle. Nothing would help Riddle decide that Snape was really on his side like killing Dumbledore would. I think that Snape actually respected Dumbledore and it was terribly hard for him to do what he had to do, hence why Dumbledore was pleading for him to follow through with it. Also, the way that he gets very upset when Harry calls him a coward at the end is also highly suspicious. Why would Snape care so much if it had not pained him to do what he had just done? If it was not him tawho was being the bravest and had the hardest task assigned to him?

WraithTwo Apr 4, 2006 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CloudNine
Spoiler:

Also remember all the things that happened leading up to the time that Harry and Dumbledore arrived on the Astronomy tower. Assuming that the only people to enter the cave besides Riddle and R.A.B., were Harry and Dumbledore, how could Pettigrew, or Snape controlling him, know how to get to the horcrux? Considering that it has been said that the only person that was thought to be more powerful than Riddle, at the peak of his power, was Dumbledore. I would think that no one would have been able to get past those protections besides Dumbledore. If it had to be Dumbledore in the cave with Harry and seeing as how they never left each others sight since they left the Castle, how could it have been Pettigrew? I don't think that theory makes much sense.

I am inclined to think that Dumbledore died on purpose, having told Snape to do what he had to do to stay undercover with Riddle. Nothing would help Riddle decide that Snape was really on his side like killing Dumbledore would. I think that Snape actually respected Dumbledore and it was terribly hard for him to do what he had to do, hence why Dumbledore was pleading for him to follow through with it. Also, the way that he gets very upset when Harry calls him a coward at the end is also highly suspicious. Why would Snape care so much if it had not pained him to do what he had just done? If it was not him tawho was being the bravest and had the hardest task assigned to him?

Yeah, I agree COMPLETELY. I've pretty much thought the same thing since the moments that I was reading the lines for the first time. Too bad my view is unpopular amongst my friends and family.

- WraithTwo -

Helloween Apr 4, 2006 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CloudNine
Spoiler:

Also remember all the things that happened leading up to the time that Harry and Dumbledore arrived on the Astronomy tower. Assuming that the only people to enter the cave besides Riddle and R.A.B., were Harry and Dumbledore, how could Pettigrew, or Snape controlling him, know how to get to the horcrux? Considering that it has been said that the only person that was thought to be more powerful than Riddle, at the peak of his power, was Dumbledore. I would think that no one would have been able to get past those protections besides Dumbledore. If it had to be Dumbledore in the cave with Harry and seeing as how they never left each others sight since they left the Castle, how could it have been Pettigrew? I don't think that theory makes much sense.

Spoiler:
but remember that Snape is known for logic, as shown by his contribution to the protection of the Philosipher's stone in the first book. The challange that Voldemort had set up in the caves for them was in essence the same a Snapes challange when going for the philosipher's stone, only harder because of it's obvious simplicity. I think Snape would have been able to figure it out.

CloudNine Apr 4, 2006 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Helloween
Spoiler:
but remember that Snape is known for logic, as shown by his contribution to the protection of the Philosipher's stone in the first book. The challange that Voldemort had set up in the caves for them was in essence the same a Snapes challange when going for the philosipher's stone, only harder because of it's obvious simplicity. I think Snape would have been able to figure it out.

Spoiler:


Ok, let's say that Snape really could have the intelligence to get through it. That still leaves the problem of Dumbledore actually being Pettigrew. How did Snape replace him with Pettigrew? I would assume polyjuice potion and there in lies the fault. Polyjuice Potion only t an hour before the user turns back into the themselves. I would assume that in the time it took for them to:

Have their conversation before they left.
Go through the cave.
Fly back to the castle.
Have the conversation with Malfoy.
The entire fight with the Death Eaters after Dumbledore fell and was then discovered.

I would be inclined to think that more than an hour had passed. Also, if Dumbledore was still alive, what possible reason could he have had for faking his death and leaving everyone to fight and possibly die?

Also, why Pettigrew? Dumbledore doesn't seem like the person that allow illegal dark arts and the murder of a person like that. Also, both the Death Eaters (supposedly with the exception of Regulus) and the Order had no idea about the horcruxes/where Dumbledore was going, so we have no reason to believe Snape knew of the horcruxes existance in the first place. He, just like all the other Death Eaters were just as surprised when Riddle was able to come back alive.


Helloween Apr 4, 2006 11:36 PM

Right, right i even thought of the polyjuice thing.

Spoiler:
i figured that seeing as how they had a freaking funeral for him like an entire day after his death, that it wasn't polyjuice potion


As i was composing my above post, that point totally slipped my mind.

I'm totally with you now.

The_Griffin Apr 5, 2006 12:01 AM

Spoiler:
You both FAIL. Two words: Unbreakable Vow. Snape had to prevent Draco from fucking up his mission (killing Dumbledore) and carrying it out for him if need be. How is Snape purposely killing the wrong person and letting Dumbledore live NOT failing to hold up the vow? Since Snape didn't die while fleeing Hogwarts, and presumeably afterwards, Snape had to have killed Dumbledore.

Zephos Apr 5, 2006 12:10 AM

Dear God, this spoiler tagging is killing me.

Oh, and Nagini's not in the game anymore. Dumbledore says "I think we can rule out Nagini" right before their last adventure.

CloudNine Apr 5, 2006 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Murdercrow
Spoiler:
You both FAIL. Two words: Unbreakable Vow. Snape had to prevent Draco from fucking up his mission (killing Dumbledore) and carrying it out for him if need be. How is Snape purposely killing the wrong person and letting Dumbledore live NOT failing to hold up the vow? Since Snape didn't die while fleeing Hogwarts, and presumeably afterwards, Snape had to have killed Dumbledore.

I say we get rid of spoilers, is everyone ok with that ?
Spoiler:

I had always thought that the Unbreakable Vow was to do whatever he could to protect Draco. I haven't read it so it came out, though, so I am probably mistaken. Actually, having just looked it up, you are correct and Snape was to take up Draco's task if failed to do so. The thing is, though, that Draco never technically failed to complete his task. Sure, he was taking his time and it looked as if he was putting down his wand, but the opportunity for him to complete it was still there. It also seemed as if Snape had no idea what Draco's task was when he had made the vow, either.

Thinking about the Vow, though, Changes some things. It adds another dimension to Snape's thinking that I had not thought about. It seems more simple to think that he had to do it or else face death himself. I just prefer to think that I am wrong about Snape and there was a reason Dumbledore trusted him.

WraithTwo Apr 5, 2006 10:49 AM

PLEASE get rid of spoilers. If you don't want to be spoiled, what are you doing in a book discussion thread?

- WraithTwo -

Shadow Drax Apr 5, 2006 10:59 AM

Spoiler:
Technically, we were never told the limits of the Unbreakable Vow. I mean, how long would Snape have gotten to kill him? And at that time, couldn't he just be like, "Oh, I haven't got around to it yet"? And the "task" was never stated explicitly, while Narcissa was referring to killing Dumbledore, Snape might have been thinking of something else. (I know its not likely, I'm just trying to point out that so much was implicitly understood about the Unbreakable Vow!)

Alice Apr 5, 2006 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Zephos
Dear God, this spoiler tagging is killing me.

I'm with you. I think it's a safe assumption that if a person reads this thread he/she is expecting to see people discussing "spoilers." The spoiler tags shouldn't be necessary here.

Peter Apr 5, 2006 01:14 PM

I doubt that it was Draco's task to kill Dumbledore, I mean, how could a whiny little kid kill even make a scratch on the greatest wizard of that age? His task was using the cupboard thing to get the Death Eaters inside Hogwarts. If the task is the only thing the unbreakable vow was about, Snape wasn't forced to kill Dumbledore, and he did it out of his own free will.

Shadow Drax Apr 5, 2006 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Enkidu
I doubt that it was Draco's task to kill Dumbledore, I mean, how could a whiny little kid kill even make a scratch on the greatest wizard of that age?

That was the point, he was supposed to fail and be killed by Dumbledore/The Order to attone for Lucius's mistake in the previous book. It was Voldemort's revenge, that's why Draco was selected for the task, and thats why Narcissa was so upset about it and asked Snape for help. Snape told Narcissa that the Dark Lord was indeed angry at Lucius, and that he probably did intend for Snape to complete the task in the end, but was determined that Draco should try.

Zephos Apr 5, 2006 05:56 PM

Exactly, and in the off-chance that Draco succeeded in his task, Voldemort would have a formidable new Death Eater in the ranks. He couldn't lose.

evergreen Apr 5, 2006 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Enkidu
If the task is the only thing the unbreakable vow was about, Snape wasn't forced to kill Dumbledore, and he did it out of his own free will.

SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE?! NO!! YOU BITCH, YOU BITCH.

Helloween Apr 5, 2006 09:56 PM

Yeah same thing happened to m-- oh, oh.......... OH, YOU'RE JOKING AREN'T YOU, OH, heh heh heh, that's a good one :edgartpg:

But we need to take into account that the vow was made at the beginning of the year. Snape could've made the vow to avoid suspicion in the eyes of the Death Eaters, as i remember, he was reluctant to go through with it. The vow was to be executed at the end of the year. Snape and Dumbledore had a whole year to go over what would happen, and how they could make this work for the Order.

A possibility.

CloudNine Apr 7, 2006 12:16 PM

See, that's what I think could have happened, too. If Snape really was on the Order's side, he would have told Dumbledore and they would have figured out a way to get it to work for them. Still, that's assuming Snape really is trustworthy. Way to make it amgibuous Jo.

On another note, did anyoen take the W.O.M.B.A.T. test on JKR's site? Anyone think that the test will have any significance to the seventh book? Maybe something Harry can take that will allow him to use magic outside of school even if he doesn't graduate from Hogwarts? The things that she puts behind that door usually have some sort of purpose.

Zephos Apr 7, 2006 08:47 PM

I'd argue against that. Usually whatever's behind the door is something to make fans whet their pants with excitement. I think it's just a fun thing for us to do while waiting for the next book. It's less painful than tiny clues.

Phoque le PQ Apr 13, 2006 11:03 AM

Actually, someone around me wonders if there isn't some polyjuice potion under that. He says that after dumbledore's death, harry isn't instantly unfrozen. If i remember well, it is said that he's frozen by terror...

Kilroy Apr 13, 2006 12:53 PM

Hmm, I once visited a website called something like www.dumbledoreisnotdead.com, and the author had some good arguments. One I remember clear is this: We've encountered Avada Kadavra some times now. Fake-Moody on a spider, Wormtail on Cedric... It is described as a green flash, and then the targeted person just falls over. However, when Snape uses it, Dumbledore is flung from the tower. The actual force sends him flying. Why? The author's guess? Since non verbal spells played a pretty large part in 6, chances are that while Snape said Avada, he thought something else. All smoke and mirrors. It would also fit the phoenix associations coming from the casket erupting into flames and such. I could actually see Dumbledore coming out of this alive.

Meth Apr 13, 2006 01:55 PM

dude dumbledore is dead. snape is just so badass that when he did the abracadabra instant death he blasted him over the balcony. dumbledore has to be dead in the same way that obi wan kenobi and yoda had to die before luke skywalker could be a man and face vader on his own. this kinda thing is a constant theme through literature.

I'm guessing that Dumbledore was cool with Snape killing him. Mid way through book 6, Dumbledore and Snape are having an argument about something but it never really explains what. I think in this instance the big D knows of the plot to have Malfoy kill him, and he would rather Snape do it than put blood on Malfoy's hands. Plus too then it would look as though Snape has shown ultimate allegience to V, putting him in the perfect position to set up a betrayal and let Harry hit a homerun.

Other evidence that points toward Dumbledore being ok with Snape bliKsmacking him is in his last words. All he says is "Severus please" not, "please don't" but just "please." He could mean, "ok, dude, just do it." *(yah, i know this has been previously stated in the thread)

It's not like Dumbledore is out of the picture... (no pun intended) because they'll be a painting of him in his office at Hogwarts. Or maybe he'll reveal himself to Harry through those little chocolate frog trading cards. ;)

WraithTwo Apr 13, 2006 02:20 PM

Two other things definetly make me believe that Snape killed Dumbledore on Dumbledore's own orders. First, Dumbledore's pleading for his own life would be wildly out of character. Secondly, Snape's rage after Harry calling him a coward for Dumbledore's murder was uncharacteristic. Over the last several pages he had been taunting and tormenting Potter, in the same was that Snape always has.

"Kill me then," panted Harry, who felt no fear at all, but only rage and contempt. "Kill me like you killed him, you coward -"
"DON'T-" screamed Snape, and his face was suddenly demented, inhuman, as though he was in as much pain as the yelping, howling dog stuck in the burning house behind them - "CALL ME COWARD!"


Does that sound more like Snape wanted to kill Dumbledore? J.K. wants you to think that his anger is toward the accusation of him being a coward, but why would he react in such a way when in other situations, words roll right off of him?

However, being called a coward after doing the hardest thing you've ever done in your life (murdering the only person that trusts you), an act that would require a great amount of BRAVERY would anger anyone.

VitaPup Apr 13, 2006 07:21 PM

It's been a while since I've read the 6th book but weren't there times throughout the book that showed Snape and Dumbledore arguing with Dumbledore telling Snape he had to do something? I don't know, as soon as i read the death scene I thought Snape was acting out DUmbledore's orders.

evergreen Apr 13, 2006 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kilroy
Hmm, I once visited a website called something like www.dumbledoreisnotdead.com, and the author had some good arguments. One I remember clear is this: We've encountered Avada Kadavra some times now. Fake-Moody on a spider, Wormtail on Cedric... It is described as a green flash, and then the targeted person just falls over. However, when Snape uses it, Dumbledore is flung from the tower. The actual force sends him flying. Why? The author's guess? Since non verbal spells played a pretty large part in 6, chances are that while Snape said Avada, he thought something else. All smoke and mirrors. It would also fit the phoenix associations coming from the casket erupting into flames and such. I could actually see Dumbledore coming out of this alive.

Cheers for the link. Some good reading and theorizing without having to wade through "OMG DUMLEDOR NOT DED?" threads everywhere else.

Zephos Apr 13, 2006 09:05 PM

I'm not buying it. Jo isn't exactly the queen of consistency when it comes to minor things only rabid fans would notice - such as the physics of the Avada Kedavra curse. After all, Apparition is sometimes signalled by a small pop, others a loud crack and presumably often a small explosion.

I'm personally more interested in finding out what it was that Dumbledore re-lived when he drank the green potion. Jo said in the Mugglenet/Leaky Cauldron interview that Dumbledore's past is part of the final book.

confuzzled_emu Jun 3, 2006 04:32 AM

I know I'm late on this thread but just to say, WOOO I love Harry Potter! :biggrin: *grin*

Zephos, one of my theories is that the things that Dumbledore may have relived could be similar to the things that people like Harry, Hagrid and Mrs Weasley see when faced with Boggarts and Dementors: Family and friends dying or the deaths and pains of loved ones and people that they have tried to protect. It is possible that Dumbledore even envisioned Harry failing his task.

Like people have said, I think we sould face the fact that Dumbledore is VERY dead.
JKR has left numerous hints, the most well know being in PS/SS:
"To the well prepared mind, death is but the next great adventure"
Dumbledore is not afraid of dying and being a brave and wise Gryffindor, he knows perfectly well that there are worse things that death, and would gladly die if this would be for the greater good, to help to win the war.

I think Dumbledore's death may have taught Harry a lesson:
"He must abandon forever the illusion he ought to have lost at the age of one: the shelter of a parents arms meant that nothing could hurt him"
By Dumbledore dying, Harry need to learn that he has to control his temper, use his love, and learn not to depend on the help of others. If Dumbledore suddenly came back from the dead, this would completely destroy Harry.

We see in book 6 that Dumbledore is getting weaker. He knows that Snape is more valuable. The wizarding world can do without Dumbledore now, but Snape and Harry are indispensible still.

Just thought I'd express my views here too..lol

han89 Jun 12, 2006 03:20 PM

i enjoyed the last book a lot. but it wasn't as good as the 4th one which was the best for me! the 5th was the worst but it still is a GREAT book.

now the six was so sad and depressing and it shocks to the point that you can't wait for the final book to go out. it keeps you wanting it SO SO SO badly.

Harry started a little kid with no experience in book one. now he is a grown up man facing A LOT of stuff in his life...through out the 6 books we have seen him evolve and this evolution is something JK Rowling knows how to show!


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