"Villains" - Heroes Season 3 Thread
 

The third season double-episode premiere is upon us. Naturally, there will be revelations and new questions.

Discuss your impressions, theories and gripes here.

I am really really excited about this, Eversince Sylar got screwed up on season 2, It just lost its charm, but that doesn't mean i didn't watch it.

The very least season 2 was okay, So here's hoping Season 3 be far more better than the second one was.

Okay, premiere ended 20 minutes ago. And damn. When it comes to mindfucks, Heroes has got a spot on the wall for sure. If all episodes this season can keep up with this one, I'm definitely in.

[edit] I'm not sure why this particular station got the premiere an hour before everyone else, but I'm not complaining. :3:


I could go on, but I'll leave it for later when others can start discussing as well. :3:

What a crazy season opener. Its good to be watching Heroes again.

These two episodes were pretty much better than anything in Season 2. Definitely a return to form. I can't believe how many times I actually yelled out "Holy shit!" while watching these episodes (probably prompting my family to think I'm crazy).

That said, my only complaint is how they're setting up to totally rip off The 4400 with the whole "take this shot and get a power" thing. With both shows revolving around people with powers, it obvious there's gonna be some similarities, but that just seems like straight out stealing. I seriously hope they don't go down that path.

:tpg:

Hrmm, I missed the premiere :(
I'll have to download it..



I don't know what you guys' download preferences are. So in case you guys are interested, here are my sources where I look to download episodes online.

Got Heroes The Forum and Fansite for NBC's tv show Heroes (Season 1, 2, & 3)
- Just go to the forums and you'll eventually find links from rapidshare, megaupload, filefactory, etc.
- Oh, and the download threads should be pinned at the beginning of each episode page. Scrolling past the pinned threads could lead you to some spoilers, as some idiots might make topics with spoilerish titles.

O3N TV Show Forum - Powered by vBulletin
- Has rapidshare, megaupload, etc links. But the only catch is, you have to sign up to the boards and have 10 or 15 posts to see the download threads.

torrents
- You could check mininova or piratebay, but a lot of times people upload a lot of fakes. So I wouldn't know which torrent should be trusted.
- For TV eps, I'd use EZTV - TV Torrents Online (eztvefnet.org is now eztv.it) , but usually I see the episodes available on those 2 sites above a couple hours before I see it land on eztv.it.

I enjoyed it quite a bit, but I did have a few gripes:

WHAT A TWEEEEEEEEST



I really hope there's a big battle of ridiculous proportions by the end of this volume. We got a taste of what a Peter/Sylar duel could look like back in volume 1, but every other fight since then has been pretty simple. These are people with amazing powers -- their fights need to be flashier.

I have only one gripe.

Well, after Season One being an eight month long commercial for the Nissan Versa, tonight's little comment was hardly anything, neither was it hardly surprising.

I would have expected the Verizon network, myself.

Does Sprint even offer international coverage :confused:?

Also, have none of you seen Jeff Goldblum's version of The Fly? Mohinder's entire fucking character is now a complete ripoff of that movie.

Oh man, the writing in this series has gotten so bad. Most of the time I wasn't sure if I was supposed to laugh or what. Especially Nathan's speech in the church, what the hell was that. The talking turtle was the best part. I'll keep watching, since it's kind of fun anyway, but some of this stuff is seriously below actual comic book standards.

I think Heroes is more fun if you don't actually read comics and can't see the shit they're practically lifting coming from current or even previous books a mile away. Jeph Loeb being one of the 10 producers on this show doesn't help either. The whole Petrellis = Summers Brothers and the flagrant Taskmaster character are pretty terrible.

Since this is up (and I didn't want to revive the old thread), I was suggested Heroes by my best friend. It was on Netflix, so what the hell.

I watched Season 1. Mediocre.
I watched Season 2. Awful.
I am afraid to watch Season 3. I couldn't even get past the season finale of S2 it was too terrible.

I know the writer's strike is VERY LIKELY the reason Season 2 sucked so fucking much, but I can't help but think the plot is fucked beyond recognition due to Season 2. Peter annoyed me all throughout Season 2, I couldn't stand the Nikki/Jessica character(s), and the only person I liked was Claire.

I wonder if I should expect any better from Season 3.

Yeah, that reminded me of a scene in a bad Michael Bay movie.

Overall, I think that the season could have started worse, one thing that I noticed is that everything is getting much more darker and much more brutal. Needless to say, everything is getting much more complicated as well. You have to concentrate in order to follow!

There was some comedy, too. For example, the speaking turtle and when that guy told Parker that there was no service in the desert (lol!). However, I thought they overdid it with the two Japanese guys, I mean, hell, half of the second episode was in Japanese.

I liked this. Good. But



Oh, yeah. Hiro's still completely annoying.

Hiro's far more likable than most of the cast.

So far, I haven't seen any mention of Micah or Monica in press blurbs or production crew commentary. I'm wondering whether they'll be featured at all this season. Micah was moderately central to Season One and is apparently considered important enough to give Noah Grey-Cabey some face time during the Season 3 Hollywood special. Monica, who knows.

I'm mixed about this. I liked Micah. His power is quite interesting and isn't a direct rip-off of anything seen in the comics. He could be very useful. But his storyline was fiercely dependent upon his parents, and now that D.L. and (for now) Niki are out of the picture, there's no immediate direction with Micah.

Monica seemed like a somewhat ill advised add-on for Season 2. Monica (and subsequently Micah's) entire arc seemed to be a justification for killing off D.L. and Niki, while not making it seem like Micah was totally abandoned. That would've been fine, I suppose - just say Micah went to stay with cousins - but Monica's power is fucking sweet. I've spent time considering all the potential uses and it staggers the mind. I'd be upset to see Monica dropped if only because there's so much potential for her ability to be explored. It'd be a far more compelling exploration than Mohinder going all "Fly" on us and fucking Lady Death, that's for sure.

Maybe they'll show up midseason. Neither is listed on imdb.com as being included in this season, but imdb only shows cast credits for episodes that have been filmed.

As for Micah, his powers are cool and all, I'd definitely be robbing ATMs left and right. But I've never been too fond of him, or any child actor for that matter. They try so hard to give kids these cute lines to make them look precocious or some shit, and it's always gotten on my nerves. They didn't do that with Molly though, so I could deal with her.

I did like Monica from season 2. She was probably one of the high points of that season, almost enough to make me forgive them for Maya and Alejandro. I was glad when Alejandro got killed and I was hoping Maya would stay dead too, but they had to disappoint me just once more time.

I'd like to see more of Adam Monroe, a.k.a. Kensei Takezo. I hope someone digs him up or he breaks out somehow. I've always liked the "Fallen Hero" type characters.

Well, he was in Angela's dream in one of the two opening episodes, after the images of slaughter of the (good?) guys.

I'm still not into Heroes, I never really have been, but I continue watching.

Am I the only one who thinks Kristen Bell looks the spitting image of the new Speed Woman hero. I was convinced they were the same actress/character until my friend IMDB'd it. He denies they look at all similar but to me they are practically identical!

Tonight's episode was good, but it had quite a few holes and things that just bugged me in general.

I'll say something here because I had something here originally to move the spoiler, then I put it somewhere else.

Do we seriously need to use spoilers when discussing stuff that already aired? I mean, if everyone is reading spoilers as normal, what happens when someone needs to post an actual spoiler? Just saying.

Anyway, I thought the episode was pretty good for the most part, but I'm kinda pissed that they killed off The German. I thought he was the most interesting of the villains they introduced this season so far, but it seems they've set up this Knox guy as being the most important. Oh well.

So far all the storylines seem good this season except for Parkman and Mohinder. Parkman's just seems so random and pointless at the moment, and Mohinder...yeah. Let's just say that this episode was probably so awesome because he wasn't in it.

I'd appreciate such, and I think so would many others. I can't view the show until the next day/night, because I don't live in Amerikkka. Having spoiler tags doesn't really help, since the spoilage is still on the front page of GFF in the 5 recent posts IF I happen to catch it. I try to avoid the threads of story-based series like Heroes and Lost and try and filter their posts in the front page but it's kind of hard.

No one can do anything about this? I can't bother myself enough to make a suggestion in the board development section, though. I don't really care about being spoiled, but I'd rather live without it.

You could just hide the 5 recent posts section by clicking the double up arrows in the corner of its box.

SPOILER: YOU WILL ATTAIN 'THE HUNGER' IF YOU BEND TWO GEARS IN A WATCH BACK INTO PLACE.

...they should have really elaborated on that, or at least stretched that out more than 5 seconds. If you can fix a watch you can understand anything. Right.

Apparently they've all just decided that plans are too much work this season.

His ability was described quite well in that one episode that showed the death of his maternal figure. Something just... clicked inside him. ;) (Talking about Sylar, of course)

Last night's episode was chock full of holes.

Sylar and Peter already have similar powers, but I assume Peter needs Sylar's power because it actually robs the victim of their ability, as opposed to just copying it. Still, isn't there an easier way of defeating this nameless foe (killing them, using the Haitian, etc.)?

This is a middling complaint, but there was a scene where Suresh puts down his recorder, and we see it get dusty in the same spot as 4 years passes. This would work, except later we see Suresh using the recorder, which means he picked it up, and the time lapse shot didn't actually happen.

Also, the healing ability seems inconsistent. It had been previously established that if there was something in a person's body as the cause of death, the person couldn't heal until that was removed (when the date-rape guy killed Claire in S1, she didn't wake up until the foreign body was removed). This season, Sylar was shot, and he seemed to eject the bullets from himself without assistance (granted, this could have been some other power of his, but he was dead, so no powers). Last night, Future Peter lay "dead" on the table. At first, I assumed the Haitian was inhibiting him, but then present Peter used his powers on Nathan, so that couldn't have been it.

The difference with the healing was that Claire's stick wound and Peter's glass shard from S1 were in their brains, thus preventing the healing. Sylar was only shot in the chest this season so the healing forced the bullets out. Of course, this doesn't explain how a few shots to the chest managed to seemingly kill Future Peter for real, even after the Haitian had gone out of range.

I'm still wondering why Future Peter has a scar, when he can regen. None of this shit makes sense, and the more I watch it, the more I am inclined to believe that it isn't supposed to make sense. People are time traveling and seeing the future every five seconds, so virtually no event in the entire series is actually important, because the writers can just nullify it with time travel. Apparently no one can die either, as they'll just come back as somebody's twin. I just watch to see what convoluted, silly thing they throw out there next.

Future Peters always have facial scars. They keep them as reminders of some mistake that screwed up the world as well as the +2 it gives to Badassery.

Is this true? I ask because Sylar copied Claire's ability, yet she maintained her healing powers afterwards...



Seriously though. The series is getting way too hokey for me - specifically because Hiro's time manipulation power is too fucking problematic. As cool as it may be, it just makes Hiro and Peter seem like absolute idiots. Somebody tell me why Peter didn't stop time when Sylar was about to explode. Somebody tell me why Hiro didn't go back in time 5 minutes before Daphne stole the half of the formula. Stupid.

They should have just initially allowed him to maybe only slow time and teleport, or at least put some limitations on his powers. Hell, even if they waited until the series got stale (not that it isn't starting to), they could have made some huge final season revolving around Hiro and training to learn his true powers. They could have had a season finale where Hiro finally goes back in time and corrects everything, revisiting key moments in previous seasons and righting them. I swear I should be a god damn writer.

I think the only thing that would temporarily stop healing powers is something stuck in the head, like Claire with the twig in her head. After that's pulled out, I'm thinking the healing powers work involuntarily.
In the case of Peter, he usually has to think about his powers to use them (like how Claude taught his ass.. or didn't.. )
But I also think that his body can use powers involuntarily if the power is active near him, like how time freezes for him when someone else does it.
So when Peter had that glass shard in his head from the previous season, he was healed by having that removed and having Claire next by him.

So in yesterday's ep, my theory of why Peter didn't heal is because he's too dead to think about his powers and that Claire's involuntary healing powers were subdued by the Haitian. Aww fuck it, it doesn't explain why Present Peter couldn't heal him either. Maybe it has to be someone with the original powers or some shit.

Daphne with Parkman? I just dont see it.. What next? Elle with Sylar?

I can't remember, but don't remember Maya speaking English perfectly in the previous season. Her dialogue yesterday was odd. Please die with Mohinder.

I don't understand why Peter needs Sylar's power. To understand what? Why does he have the hunger if he can empath the powers from the people? Shit don't make sense.

And when the hell is Hiro suppose to learn to speak fluid English? His future self spoke english like a badass. His non-japanese scenes are getting annoying as hell.

This whole future is bad, go back in time to save it thing is getting old. Especially if doing so isn't going to make a difference if it's gonna get fucked up again anyways. I wonder how many times they're gonna re-use this "4 years in the future" idea.

Best quote ever. Also, Claire and Peter can't heal others (except through blood transfusions). Linderman is the one that can heal people.

eprox1, you're right. People lose their powers because Sylar kills them; Claire is the only one to survive. This takes me back to what I thought through all of last night's episode: Why does Peter need Sylar's power when he can already do basically the same thing?

I'm about sick of Peter's overpowered ass, with his stupid mouth that makes him look like he had a stroke every time he talks. I liked him a lot better when he could only do things around certain people.

Because Sylar's power isn't stealing peoples' abilities. It's intuitive comprehension, he can innately dissect an object or entity and determine its systems, what makes it function, why it functions as it does, what flaws are preventing it from functioning ideally, etc. For example, if you had a broken ipod, you'd have to consult a manual to identify and fix the problem. Sylar can study it and derive the solution on his own, without any previous knowledge of the subject. Apparently this ability extends to the human body, right down to DNA sequences and whatever other factors determine a hero's gift. Through this understanding, Sylar examines a victim's brain, locates where the ability is centered, then somehow restructures his own brain to operate the same way. Why this particular trick is possible, I'm unsure but it's now canon so we gotta roll with it.

Peter doesn't need to steal peoples' powers from them, obviously. What he does apparently require is the ability to study a subject and analyze its inner workings. How this will play out, who can say? I suspect the "hunger" was written into this season to allow for a bit of role-reversal in which Sylar slowly becomes the valiant savior and Peter slowly steps down the path of corruption.

In that light, it seems fair that there's going to be a lot of role-reversals down the path.

What I don't understand is that Peter can heal, and is ostensibly immortal due to having been around both Claire and Adam Monroe. Thus, why doesn't Peter let Sylar have his ability? Peter would regenerate and Sylar would have a method of acquiring a person's ability (and therein understanding it) without having to kill people for it.

Of course, that's a much-too-easy and clean solution, so it'll never happen.

Man, I love Sylar. He just gets better with each season. He's terrific as a villain, and hilarious when he's not being so murderous. I hope he and Peter remain opposed long enough for them to have an awesome battle (as hinted in season 1 in the future) before he starts being a good guy.

I do like these "in the future" segments since it allows people to act in what would otherwise be out of character, but I feel it's getting a bit tired. Is every season going to have a "in the future" segment? It's also strange why future Peter seems to be consistent in all the future scenarios, despite the fact that, so far, all these crises seem to have been averted.

I got a little worried at the end of the last episode.

Tonights episode was all over the place, it seems they just keep jumping around throwing new plot devices everywhere they went. Not that I am complaining, its nice to see stuff happen each episode instead of it being drawn out episode after episode like Lost.

Knighthawk, if you're going to spoil future episodes then please mark your spoilers as such.

the end for episode five wasn't that surprising since the whole family since to be involved with the "special people". Only mystery is, what the hell is his power and what the hell is he planning?

Also, the whole Parkman path and his vision of the future was completely useless the way I see it.

An edgeseater episode for me. This just keeps getting better and better. I don't mean story quality, it's just goddamn awesome. I feel like a kid again when watching this show.

Parkman useless? I mean, he hasn't recently been seen in many of the future scenarios, and when he was, he'd be dead. In Africa, I think his powers of self-control (and therefore mind control) are improving slowly into something larger that will be shown in a later episode. ;)

I don't know why people even bother finding plot holes, let alone whine about them. In shows like this and Lost they're not the main point. Some people just don't want to recognize this as high-production-value nonsense-entertainment?

The problem is that you don't even have to try to find them, because they've been so glaringly obvious lately. They don't ruin the show by any means, but their frequency is getting a little annoying.

I think this has been a decent season overall so far; so much better than the previous one. I'm finding myself getting more involved with the characters and the choices they're making.

exactly my thought.
One thing that I might have missed that left me confused is part of the end of season 2. Angela Patrelli said something like "Yes, I understand. it had to be done." or somewhere a long those lines, right after Nathan got shot. So I kinda assumed that it was the organization that ordered the hit on him but then at the start of season 3 it was future peter who tried to kill him in order to save the future. So was Angela referring to something else?

He lost his previous abilities last season.

But he's also spent this whole time getting them back, proven by him still using telekinesis. The loss of his abilities was only temporary.

I guess he retained telekinesis because it was his first then. Doesn't make much sense, but convenient plot-wise I suppose.

Technically then, he retained his 'clockwork' power--the one that lets him acquire new abilities. I think that in the end, he just lost them temporarily.

Also, Sylar said in the car later that "You told him to kill me." or something along those lines. I think he did hear what was going on, but didn't know how to deal with it; especially with Void guy around.

Bull shit. Then why does Great Chef Sylar from the future still have Ted's nuclear powers?

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/6...hascheffj8.jpg

Sylar just figured it out from watching the situation. It was pretty clear even without hearing them what Noah tried to do. He didn't hear them though, because every time it cut to Sylar watching the conversation there was no sound and he had a slightly confused look on his face as he was trying to figure out what Noah was saying.

Phantom makes a good point too. I forgot all about him using Sprague's power a few episodes ago.

Oh, let's add that when Peter met Great Chef Sylar, he made him paint the future, clearly Isaac's power.

Let's face it. The writers can't keep up with continuity.

Since he still has Ted and Isaac's powers, he still should have freezing powers, melting powers, telekinesis, enhanced memory from Hiro's dead girlfriend, Claire's regen powers, Bob's Midas touch, Bridget's abilty to see history of anything (which hasn't been used yet), and Jesse's banshee scream.



Where's my Kristen Bell? :[

Doubly bullshit as he used telekenisis to move the can and dumpster at the end of Season 2, just after he injected himself with the antidote.

Wow. I stand corrected about my comment about Adam. I guess it was possible after all.

His telekinesis has always been a special case (it was the only ability the Company found in his DNA in season one) and they stated they would explain why later.

lol this season is getting out of hand, there are at least five people with new super powers each episode.

Also, Parkman is getting on my nerves with his turtle :/

well, i think the season is pretty cool so far, many wtf moments and the whole issue about time travel and changing the future. or the past. (what happened to that irish girl? peter's really irresponsible.)

and great chef sylar! making waffles! there has to be some superhero he stole that from. (whos the mother then? claire?)

and that african guy. id like that mp3.

what episode are you people on in the us? im up to episode 5 here in the east.

You really haven't been paying attention this season, have you? Sylar is Claire's uncle. Unless he wants to add "creepy incest pervert" to his list of crimes, I don't think he'll ever have sex with Claire.

Of all the convoluted things going on this season, Mohinder bothers me the most. One minute he's Indian Spiderman, drugging people and wrapping them in cocoons, the next he's Rational Scientist. It could be chalked up to Jekyll/Hyde behavior except that Rational Scientist continues to defend what Spiderman does. Plus the whole bit about "I've been duped by companies with hidden agendas before, but what the hell, let's make it a third time" last night just makes me want Mohinder to die and be reincarnated as a dung beetle.

I think we've all come to hate mohinder as the stupid smart scientist who's gullible and stupid.
I've been wondering how future sylar came to have a kid as well, I'm guessing he might not be the biological father. He called him noah and pretty much took over the bennete household for some reason. I'm guessing Noah somehow died thanks to syler and he felt responsible.
But I guess it might not matter since that future will become obsolete.
I've also been wondering if Peters's father can really take Sylers's ability. Since technically he just learned how they worked right? So if he tries to take his power will he take the knowledge he needs to make them work? Well whatever, I'm sure they'll explain everything in a very open ended super hero comic book way.

Also glad that spanish chick is gone

My question is.. Where is the Haitian in all this? They could easily use him to negate some of the villian's powers. Even Peter should have the powers to negate, he's been in contact with the Haitian before.

I don't like Meredith. She's only there for filler crap.
And great.. now it's Sylar's turn to be manipulated by other people. I liked it better when he was in control.

Sylar's kid in the future.. who knows how the writers are going to explain that crap. Maybe someone turned Noah into a baby.. -_-

It's entertaining to watch some of the characters, but this series isn't smart at all anymore.

So, cool characters are dying left and right and something really heavy seems to be happening every week, partially to make up for last year's lackluster mini season. I'm expecting a pretty big reset button to happen towards the end of this season or the next. Anybody with me on that?

All the brunettes either die or get written out. She was good eye candy, regardless.

Writers/co-executive producers Jesse Alexander and Jeph Loeb were fired.

source

Nail in the coffin?

Okay, I was one of the people who was enjoying Season 3 despite the fact that most people said it sucked, but now, I'm changing my stance. I'm sick of every other fucking episode not being in the present (seriously, how many flashbacks or visions of the future do we need?), and I'm sick of the plot either not moving forward at all or moving in a stupid direction. I'd honestly have no problem now if this show got cancelled in the near future, because pretty much everything after Season 1 sucks anyway. It just seems like such wasted potential.

Uh, Jeph Loeb is a terrible writer, so while I can't speak for Jesse Alexander, I know that's one piece of crap off the show's writing staff.

I must admit I wanted the show to continue, but i'm a sucker for these kind of episodes, where they link in scenes from past seasons that make you oo and ah. They do it a lot on LOST and I love it :D

I didn't mind this ep. At least we learned some things. I guess they had to do it in order to show a clear path in the plot as to who is the evil one. Still, it felt a little forceful to focus on Meredith (why Hiro also had past visions of her.) I bet they're going to give her a more important role later on.

I couldn't help but to read some spoilers ahead to see if the show is going on a good path or not. But you guys should stick around in a couple of eps. There's going to be surprising guest stars :D

If one of these guest stars is not Christopher Eccleston, the series is finished.

Claude was featured in some recent Heroes graphic novels here:
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/dow..._novel_108.pdf
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/dow..._novel_109.pdf

But the guest stars that are to come haven't been seen yet. You'll probably be thinking "WTF?!"
NBC will probably spoil it soon in their tv promos anyways.

Ok, last night's episode was pretty garbage. The only part that was any good was the promo for next week's episode.

"garbage" is an understatement >_>
The whole "lets erase Hiro's memories instead of killing or taking his power so he can take a heroes journey again" was such a cliche piece of shit.
The cheesy love acting with Parkman is where I just couldn't stomach it anymore.
"oh you say we loved each other in the future, well we've known each other for a day, I guess I love you :3"
And then how easily Angela was released, "hey you loved me once remember, let me go asshole so I can ruin your plot anyways"

This is season 2 bullshit, I thought we were done with this crap

The biggest thing that pissed me off in this episode was the nearly implausible "mortal enemies fall in love" plot device. Ok, maybe Sylar and Elle aren't in love just yet, but they went from Elle repeatedly frying Sylar for killing her father to sitting half naked and giggling. I'd put money on Elle being the mother of Sylar's kid in the future. I don't care what universe you're in, you don't warm up that fast to a mass murderer.

My bigger problem with all the Sylar and Elle stuff is how it's come completely out of nowhere. They've met and faced off several times before now, but until the flashback episode last week neither of them had ever given even the slightest indication that they knew each other. Nothing. Now they conveniently bring up "oh yeah, remember that time you saved my life and we sorta dated for awhile?"

I was fine with Hiro reverting to being 10 years old. Sure it's a bit repetitive to send him on another journey to become a hero again, but you know what? I'd almost rather have a whole episode dedicated to Hiro and Ando hanging out at the chicken & waffles bowling alley than see the other people being idiots.

The promo for next week's episode really pissed me off. They built up the big mystery of what the eclipse would do, and then the commercial came on and announced "NEXT WEEK EVERYONE LOSES THEIR POWERS BECAUSE OF THE ECLIPSE." Gee, thanks. The show even offered up a perfect tagline equivalent to "save the cheerleader, save the world" by repeating "it's coming" over and over, but NBC decided to ignore that and spoil the plot instead.

If this episode is that bad, I don't even know if I can be bothered downloading it. Speaking of last weeks eppy though, did anyone else love the use of the female voices in the music? Really added a sense of mystery that went well with the plot.

I'm not usually the type to be critical at all of TV shows, but the latest episode was pretty crap. It's no wonder that ratings are going down. Hopefully the writers can get their act together long enough to keep the series from capsizing, since I do think it's still a fun show.

All the romance that they keep trying to inject into the series is making me feel pretty off. Sylar/Elle I can understand since they did have a previous relationship of sorts (and the actors are pretty friendly off the set... I bet Bell had a stipulation in her contract requiring screen time with Quinto), but Matt/Daphne is just nonsense. They really need to drop the frequency of cliche lines.

Anyone else get the feeling that Sylar's "empathy" is just going to turn him into a huge masochist? Then Arthur is going to be the one that pimps him out to others with powers while he sits back and watches via hidden camera. Yikes.

ok did anyone else love when all the villains/heroes realized they didn't have any powers and just made them look like children playing pretend.

This episode was tons better than last week in my opinion. seeing them be normal and pathetic was just a good view

I was distracted by how this was the longest eclipse ever. They usually last what, five minutes at most? Yet this one had to be going on for several hours. Not to mention how no one seemed capable of piecing together that the eclipse had something to do with their powers being gone.

At least Hiro was great as usual. THE CORN WILL NOT STOP.

All the promos for this episode were all about them not having powers, then the episode was halfway over before they lost their powers. I can only hope that they are without their powers for the rest of the season. Of course they will just copout and have their powers return just as dude is about to headshot Gabriel.

So who else managed to watch all of this week's episode? Good lord that was terrible. I don't think I've facepalmed that much since Flying Kid was around last season.

Let's not forget how all of a sudden

This show has just about become an hour long game of "Spot the Inconsistencies." I think I'm beginning to see why the writers got fired.

That episode is dumb as hell.

I'm sick of Matt's scenes with Daphne. How many more times does he need to prove to her his fake ass feelings?

Also there's too many inconsistencies on Elle's thoughts on Sylar. One ep she tells him he's a killer, then that he's good and forgives him (in the cell), then that he's a bad guy and they both chase after Claire, and then that he's good after they lose their powers and got it on.
But Sylar decides to cut her head open anyways. Why? Who the fuck knows. He already has her power. And the last time he tried to cut her open, she let out a big electric shock. How come she didn't this time?

And Nathan, you'd think he had a revelation and decides to do the right thing and stop being stupid, but he totally doesn't. He's going to support his dad in giving powers through a syringe and won't even think about the possibility that the powers would be used for evil. Great.

If I had to guess, if Elle is dead then maybe Kristen Bell wanted out of this series. The series was "hot" back then, but now it's time to bail out before it gets worse. I wouldn't blame her for doing so with all the lame-ass scenes she was written.

I seriously thought that was the last we saw of Maya.

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Oh and there's no fuckin way there could be a solar Eclipse in Haiti, New Jersey, and South Carolina. The Umbra is only like.. what? 200 miles diameter? And eclipses only last for like 7 mins at most. Everyone couldn't just chill out for 7 mins??? They hyped the coming of the eclipse only to show that it was a temporary thing. Lamest plot device which ended up being a total slap in the face for all of us.

Sadly, not everyone who moves to New Jersey disappears forever.

Someone needs to call ICE on her ass.

I thought the episodes couldn't go anymore downhill after the lame ass love fest before the eclipse, but how wrong I was >_>

Syler's whole development is so fucking screwy. For being able to know how things work, Syler is one ignorant fuck. Parkman isn't even doing anything to continue the main plot, he's just chasing the girl he just met because he fell in love within less than a second.

And I'm not sure about this, but since daphne's handicap state came back during the eclipse wouldn't that have meant that a lot of other abilities have been negated. (Hiro's memory loss)
Also, the eclipse seems like a reset button for their abilites. Meaning that everyone gets their abilities back and new people get new abilities and I was guessing that peter would get his back too but it doesn't look that way.

I don't know why I'm over thinking this now since the fucking story is just nothing but a poorly constructed fanfic

Yeah, this episode was beyond terrible. Not that it was confusing or disturbing or anything like that, but they run out of ideas. It's just boring to see Sylar opening someone elses head, Claire getting healed and Hiro travelling time for the hundredth time. But uhh, whatever, I guess I am committed to watch the rest of this season anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

From the lack of activity, I'd say everyone's given up on Heroes. Which is reasonable, considering the "meh" quality of this week's episode: "Our Father".

While story is shaping towards a conclusion, one of the biggest things to bug me in this week's episode is the Hiro/Claire back-in-time segment:



Here's hoping the finale for this volume will at least be better than average. Hopefully :(

I have to say that this season has been a huge disappointment, and unless the finale is better than everything else we've seen, I think I'll just stop watching it.

I actually liked the episode aside from Deus Ex Machina Man. Maybe it's just my extremely lowered expectations after last week's horrible episode or the large amount of Hiro scenes, but I thought it was pretty good.

While I was in Iraq, Bryan Fuller was writing Heroes and it was more his brainchild at the time before he left to work on Pushing Up Daisies (sadly canceled). He knew one of my supervisors and thus we got all got Season 1 DVDs and free swag while sweating our asses off.

Getting to the point, if you dug Season 1 at all then it'd be a good idea to stick around for Fuller's attempt to reinvigorate the series in the middle of Season 3. He's got talent, but he also has a history of that talent going unnoticed/unappreciated. If you need another point of reference, Wonderfalls was one of my favorite sleeper hit shoes but its time slot killed it (go Fox). It's just one of many shows that displays Bryan's grasp of what it takes to make an entertaining show. He also wrote "Company Man", which was one of the highlight episodes of Season 1. So if you're wondering "WTF" regarding this show, it may payoff and see what the series brainchild can do to resurrect the show.

Yes, I believe Fuller wrote this week and next week's episode. I just found out recently that he was one of the main writers for season 1, which makes perfect sense because season 1 and the entirety of Pushing Daisies is awesome. Definitely sad to see Pushing Daisies get canceled, but hopefully he'll be able to save Heroes.

Also, the best line of this week's episode for me...

I just feel like......most of Season 3 has been a waste of time, like they have just been writing shit just for the sake of doing it, and then basically doing an 180 after the fact.

Season 4 spoiler.. for those interested in where this series might be headed to. Including a new member to the cast.

Yeah, don't look if you don't wanna know if some certain characters are gonna live through Season 3.


I don't really care how Season 3 ends. I hope they reboot it and try not to recycle retarded ideas from season 2 and 3.

Fuller will join the writing staff starting with the 20th episode. I have high hopes for his input, but I'm also afraid that cleaning up the mess that Villains made won't be easy. The main problem I have with this season is that there is no engaging build-up to events. Season 1 started with a lot of mysteries that got answered over the course of the entire season, now we only see cliffhangers and questions for the sake of trying to save what little enjoyment the show still gives us (the insignificance of the Eclipse, which would have been the PERFECT opportunity to kill off some of the characters with a healing factor, Noah aiming at Sylar).

There is no more credibility, which I find started with the resurrection of Noah in the second season. By showing us that no one important can ever really die (unless they get blown to bits or have their head cut off, I assume), all the drama that the visions create are trivialized, since you know that they will never kill of one of the starring characters. Just hang them on a bag of Claire's blood, and they'll be ok again, where is the drama in that?

Yeah, I think undoing the current mess is going to be a big issue, not least of all because the current mess has changed its mind a whole bunch of times. I feels like they're entirely directionless and so just writing whatever nonsense comes into their heads each week. Which is a shame, because I loved the first season (along with many people) and even enjoyed the second series to a reasonable extent. Now I find myself having to build up motivation to watch the episodes, and this week annoyed the crap out of me with Hiro's storyline.

The problem, to me, is that they seem to be writing themselves into a bit of a corner, and the only way out will be to pull some massive 'reset everything' bullshit.

But the sad part is that they are ruining every chance they had for a big reset. The eclipse would have been the perfect moment, everyone loses their power, everyone can take a fresh start, perhaps with new powers, and most importantly, they could have killed some characters. But after all the hype of the eclipse coming, NOTHING happened, it is without any significance, except for finding out Daphne can't walk, which isn't exactly what people were waiting for.

I actually liked most of the second season, there was consistency, you had an interesting character with Adam Monroe. Sure, character development wasn't handled well, some characters shouldn't have even been there from the start (Micah's family), but overall, everything seemed to fit together, which is something that is completely missing from Villains. Even Hiro isn't interesting anymore, the 9th Wonders thing is lame as hell (no one ever thought that there might have been more work from Mendez, which would have helped prevent a lot of events?). I understood that they didn't want to focus on it anymore, since it would ruin the plot, but to bring them back now is just cheap.

On 4thletter, there is always a constant argument against adhering heavily to continuity. Elaborate explanations to talk about why a character is no longer doing what they were doing 10-20 issues ago in a series. These explanations/stories do allow for a response broad changes to the status quo, but they also result in the kind of lame excuses you might have seen in this season of Heroes. A lot of folks like Green Lantern: Rebirth, a comic which resurrects and redeems the Silver Age Green Lantern known as Hal Jordan. It not only absolves him of wrong doing during the Parallax story arc, but says that Parallax was nothing more than a cosmic bug with evil mind control powers. In round about ways it also states that many things that Hal did didn't result in what was seen because Parallax did more stuff "Behind the scenes." In this way, Rebirth addresses continuity as well as ignores it. It's a huge elaborate story to say 2 things of substance: Hal Jordan is back and Hal Jordan is a good guy again.

If Fuller chooses to revert the story of Heroes back to Season 1 WITHOUT any explanation, I think that would be for the best. You probably shouldn't ask for one, you can, but think for a moment how lame and ridiculous the potential reasons for a reset sound in your head. Now think how lame and ridiculous a lot of this current season might seem to you. It'd be a legitimate way of saying "Hey guys, we fucked up, but THIS is what we meant to say."

I think a reset in this manner would be for the best. No one gives a shit about Season 2 or 3, so I think it would be cool if they allowed Fuller to go "whole hog" on a fix in this manner.

"Heroes is back to where you thought it was interesting. Heroes is something you should watch again."

I'm inclined to agree, but there's no way they'll let them do that.

Wouldn't it be great though? Obviously if it were actually encouraged, it'd potentially be better than 2-3 more episodes trying to explain in roundabout ways that "Hey, we had some REALLY terrible guys writing for us and the stuff they did doesn't count anymore!" But, on the real, yeah... no way it'd happen :sad:

It'd certainly be awesome to start back from the end of season 1. I want to put the idea out there just to get it percolating in some folk's heads, then it'll be something maybe they will start to expect.

I don't think that a full reset would be a good solution, since the risk of just repeating a lot of the same mistakes is too great, and there are some good things to come out of the last two seasons (I liked Benett's development, Angela Petrella is getting even better imo). The problem with a full reset is that there will inevitably be a loss of originality, even know they are introducing a lot of characters which are no different, who don't have any surprises, so I think that creativity will be an even bigger problem with resetting the show.

You should also remember that most of the next chapter has already been set in stone, Fuller will only be able to contribute to the latter half, so he'll have to work with whatever the previous writers came up with. Even though I think that Fuller is the best asset to get this show back on track, I think we should also consider that he'll be part of a team, that has shown a lot of mistakes over the past season, mistakes that can't be blamed on the fired writers alone.

I didn't read any of this thread since I am in the middle of season 2. However, my brother has said season 3 has been dissapointing, however, I heard John Glover will be coming to Heroes, which is great news. John Glover to Join NBC's HEROES

This guy is a fantastic actor, but then again if the writing is the problem this season, he can only do so much. Then again Smallville's writing was often very mediocre and he was great regardless. Good to see him joining the already terrific cast.

You're right, Peter. A full reset would confuse audiences, be they casual or super nerd. That decision would end up tearing the show asunder. They COULD do it, but there's your point. I believe this to be a technicality of viewer perception more than a statement that the idea itself doesn't make for a better story. But, hands down, you're right about the result for the product/show.

That said, I'll just explain my viewpoint from here instead:

I saw Fuller's influence as the reason these mistakes didn't occur so frequently in the previous season. I was on again/off again with the show when I heard that Jeph Loeb was one of the many Executive Producers involved, because a lot of the plot developments reeked of stuff he wanted to do in comics. If you read anything he's involved in now, it's like he's taking what he didn't get to do on Heroes and putting it in those comics. Ugly stuff. However, you're right in that television shows are not done by one person, they require a team of people. Still, that influence was indeed poisonous.

I realize it'd be pretty lame to cut and run, I said something similar in another thread so I do agree with the sentiment of that point. However, I feel there's an exception to be made since there was clearly a theme and feel to the show that was in Season 1 that is all but abandoned rather than expanded on in Seasons 2 and 3. What originality would be lost with going back to Season 1, though? What they've done with Season 2 and 3 hasn't been original so much as high concept.

I know it isn't going to happen, though I would disagree that a reset without explanation would ruin much of anything.

Viewers should just hope for the best now that Fuller is back. The show has done a great job of ruining things by way of previous staff and efforts, I think Fuller's experience would alleviate that rather than cause it to become cyclical. I don't see anything all that interesting in Seasons 2/3, since I actually read comics and ripping off those comics doesn't strike me as interesting in the slightest. They ended up expanding on all the bad ideas present in Season 1. It seems very unfortunate, though this assumes that my view of the show is 100% how things are and I admittedly only liked the show in the first place because of Fuller's touches here and there.

So... Did I miss something? At the beginning of the episode, Matt, Daphne, and Ando seemed to teleport to the shop-like place in New York looking for the sketchbook. What exactly happened there?

Daphne was holding on to them when they got there, so I just assumed that she dragged them there.

Yeah, pretty sure Ando made some kind of comment about how it was worse or better than Hiro's teleportation. Can't really recall, but she got them there.

So I stopped watching for awhile after a particularly horrible episode and "missed" Heroes the last few times it came on. I just watched the most recent airing and it didn't seem as bad as the rest of the season has been.

On the other hand, it just undid everything in the season in its entirety.

All in all, a decent episode considering the rest of the "Villains" chapter. Nathan's decision is something to look forward to, and with Fuller back in the writing team only good things can come out of it. Unless they bring in another turtle :/.

it was a decent finale, not great, but good enough.

Very entertaining volume for sure, but definitely retarded all the same. The thing that pissed me off the most is them doing 180's on Nathans character way to many times to count. Possibly the best actor on the show and they are giving him shitty dialogue and fucking with his character.

Only looking forward to the Sylar's

So Volume 4 started yesterday. I wouldn't really start a new thread, since it's still season 3. Even though the Nathan dude is what he is, these new settings made the episode interesting on many fronts. The end of the episode was great, but it could have been completely awesome if it was handled better.

I'm actually in an anticipating mood for the upcoming.

Is this still considered season 3?

Whenever I would see a commercial for the upcoming 'volume', they would always say "The new season of Heroes begins Monday."

I guess I just simply don't remember there ever being 'volumes' in the show (although there probably was).


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...aaaand a quick visit to Wikipedia clears everything right up:
I guess volume 4 simply makes up the final 12 episodes of season 3. Weird.

"Hey guys I'm a good guy."

"Uh but in the future you're a bad guy. I, like, saw it."

"No dude like for reals, I am good.




Lol jk I'm really bad."

Can they just introduce a plot/villian and deal with it, without flip-flopping existing characters every five episodes? Making good guys bad and bad guys good, and then the bad good guys good again and the good bad guys bad again every five seconds is not interesting, dramatic, smart, or entertaining. At the very least, pick something and stick with it.

Maybe they will let Nathan and his henchmen stay evil, without introducing a new, bigger evil that will require Nathan and his evil henchmen to turn into good guys and join up with the good guy Heroes to defeat. We all know that is what is going to happen.

This last episode was bad. Show has written itself into major problems this season. They need Nathan off the show they ruined his character so much. And all that flip flopping and power switching has made the show impossible to follow.

The new episode didn't even hold my full attention. I found myself surfing the web instead of focusing on what was happening--although I'm sure I didn't miss anything that I can't figure out on my own.

Kind of hoping it doesn't go with the obvious route in this, but I'm not getting my hopes up at all.

So, I'm still watching--cause I lack anything else to do on my days off. Hobbies are freakin' expensive.

Anyway... Just finished watching episode 18.

So the puppet guy is back, right? Maybe I missed something, but didn't Sylar kill him back at primatech when they were set loose to slow Sylar down?

Yeah, Puppet Guy is just randomly alive again, apparently. The sad thing is that was the least of the stupidity in this week's episode. Apparently Mohinder's legendary idiocy has spread to the entire cast except for Noah and Mrs. Bennet. Peter's plan to trade the best leverage he could possibly hope to get in exchange for one (and later two) people was probably the pinnacle, though Claire tripping over a trashcan or something and ruining her mom's diversion was close.

Somewhere this Rebel guy is banging his head against his desk, wondering why all of his pawns have to be such morons.

$1000 says Rebel is actually Micah. Hacking into computers and such.

I forgot Eric Doyle was supposed to have been killed, but if Sylar can miraculously escape a burning building after being stabbed in the brain and incapacitated, I guess anything's possible.

Doyle was never truly killed. He only collapsed from fatigue when Sylar overrode his telekinetic powers. We last saw Doyle face down on the linoleum in Primatech. It's conceivable (and now obvious) that he could've escaped before the place went up in Meredith's inferno.

For that matter, Meredeth and Flint are probably okay too, as both are known to be fireproof.

I'm thinking Meredith's inner conflicts got the best of her and she burnt herself to death, even with her abilities.

...just kidding, the series can't be that poetic. She'll be back.

I really hated Meredith's character. So... I kinda hope she's dead.

Did you ever notice anytime she showed up she had to light her hand on fire--just in case we'd forgotten her? That really pissed me off... to the point I hope she's really dead.

But that's just wishful thinking...

Wow, the latest episode was great! It was weird watching a Heroes episode that was actually good instead of ''sort of mediocre'' or ''bearable I guess''.

Yeah the last two episodes were actually decent, but the characters were fucked up so much that it is hard to take seriously.

This week's episode was boring as fuck. Absolutely nothing got accomplished and everything that happened had nothing whatsoever to do with what was going on. The whole backstory with Angela's sister and Chandra Suresh's concentration camp could have been explained in a 20 minute flashback and they could have done something worthwhile with the rest of the episode.

The best part of the episode was young Linderman's actor trying to sound like Malcolm McDowell.